Mortal Kombat: It’s Dumb & I Like it vs It’s Dumb & I Hate It | Castle Super Beast Clips

[@adamruiz3683]

I really appreciate Pat openly admitting to being a hater at the start just so he can go as hard as he can hating on MK with no regret.

[@jjrambles683]

It's the commitment to hating that I respect

[@luan.galaxy]

To me, the main thing that put Pat in the top percent of youtubers/influencers is making an attempt at avoiding hypocrisy. He has dumb opinions, weird stretches, bad taste and inconsistent behavior, but he's not doing the "C'mon commenters I just gave my (objectively wrong) opinion on something, you guys can't handle (invalid) criticism??? buaaaaaaa". Literally the only solo streamer I can manage to watch.

[@IrishKyokushin]

Pat is right on here. They should be embarrassed that they have to reboot again.

[@Mr.Faust3]

Pat is so right tho

[@Kango234]

That's what separates Pat from other loudmouth KZbinrs, he owns it completely.

[@handymanhand4091]

The Matt name drop, the unashamed rage, and the fact that the subject of debate is MK gave more nostalgia than any of these bad superhero movies that prop up the dead people ever could.

[@malikoniousjoe]

I miss the old days. What we have now is great, but fuck I love me some passion, bullshit, and shouting matches

[@SirJames079]

Pat announcing his hater status so he can make the rant as intense as possible is the equivalent to Goku taking off the weighted training clothes

[@DJVevyVevs]

It's the same as Jujutsu Kaisen character explaining how their power works to their opponents, not just for anime bullshit, but also because it actually makes their power stronger when they do.

[@RadikAlice]

It's a "Rock Lee dropping his weights and they make pillars of smoke" moment

[@matthewlugo2417]

​@DJVevyVevs so jujutsu kaisen ripped off hunterxhunter? Another reason i wont watch it

[@TheShockVox]

@@matthewlugo2417it’s pretty good.

[@matthewlugo2417]

@@TheShockVox doubt it it seems way to generic id rather watch hunterxhunter for the 8th time

[@VV-js4vd]

Woolie almost built a solid defense case, he was really close, but when he forgot "Cowboy"'s name, it was over

[@li-limandragon9287]

I don’t mind Erron but he’s got nothing beyond being a Cowboy. At least with the terrible PS2 characters like Hsu Hao they have got stuff going on even if it’s terribly presented.

[@fissilewhistle]

Pat took that and ran a fucking marathon with it.

[@Katagara84]

@@li-limandragon9287 Erron was cool in MKX when he was implied to be a time displaced bounty hunter that ended up in Outrealm. Then MK11 made him a Black Dragon member that's LARPing and he became so much lamer

[@Ultimaniacx4]

It's funny how he tries to recover by saying "we didn't have a decade of talking about..." MKX came out 8 years ago. That's plenty of time to ingrain the kombat kids in your mind. If you didn't by now then you didn't find them interesting.

[@DoctorHomicide]

@@Ultimaniacx4 to be fair to woolie he’s clearly not an MK fan and he hung around and did Multiple MK play throughs with Mat who I’m assuming likes Mortal Kombat so through extensive osmosis and how bad those MK characters were sticks in his mind more than maybe a month at most of playing MKX and MK11

[@consensualsenses]

Pat summoning Matts sentiment like an assist fighter into battle to obliterate Woolies argument once and for all, the absolute mad lad

[@Katagara84]

Lesson 5 from Steel Ball Run but it's Pat's memories of Matt

[@cherrygrabber7172]

I'd prefer either the MK PS2 games, or dare I say, War Gods to come back as a MidWay collection thing. Hsu Hao, and especially Jarek, need to rise from their graves/ cliffs in order to knock Liu Kang's attempt to Try Again. Glad I still got MK9 on Steam.

[@TheShockVox]

Pat said “Matt’s right” very often on the old channel, never seemed to have a problem giving credit where it’s due. Of the two of them, Pat had the least problem saying the other was right.

[@ShayneRawls]

​@@TheShockVox facts. That's why he's my favorite best friend

[@moroseloki1912]

​@@ShayneRawlsIsn't his Stands Power Crazy Talk 🦜

[@gypsymagic9912]

You know Pat is serious about this when he mentions Matt AND says he was right about something

[@IrishKyokushin]

I think it's safe to say that the animosity was on Matt's side more than anyone else.

[@sdbzfan1]

@@IrishKyokushin Matt and Liam

[@cajurthemighty3146]

@@IrishKyokushin And Liam

[@iller3]

FFfff... just lost **another** Bet!

[@JoshMonreaux]

​@@sdbzfan1 What actually happened? Like, beyond the explanation they gave of 'its not fun anymore.'

[@hafizhaekal1352]

Pat "Who the fuck is Cetrion?" comeback got me laughing for a straight minute.

[@juanjuri6127]

it's a french auto maker, like smdh get some culture pat 🙄

[@iller3]

he MUST win

[@cherrygrabber7172]

Woolie did ask ,"Who's Sareena!?", that one time. Then classic Matt angrily telling him for the third or fourth time. Still a bit peeved for them to call Kung Lao's death fair in MKX, even though their MK9 watchthrough they called it a jerk move from Shao Khan.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@cherrygrabber7172 Kinda like how they shit on Johnny in MK9 but love him in X.

[@SaitoBatch]

@@li-limandragon9287 Johnny is better in X because he grows up. And I don't even mind MK9 Johnny.

[@joekewl7539]

For a brief half hour, the energy felt like it was 2014 with the boys again.

[@plinfan6541]

The Hate is so strong it brings back AngriestPat from the Past.

[@joekewl7539]

@@plinfan6541 To play shitty games that suck ass?

[@Miquemoco]

Aaawww...

[@dpthefish6221]

With how nostalgic it felt I thought I had just got home from middle school

[@TheShockVox]

It was the best and I was super on Pat’s side.

[@CanterlotCrusader]

Pat is unleashing his past self before he becomes a Dad, and we love it

[@TheZombieKing]

"I gotta go all out, one last time... for HIM..."

[@plainsongz]

"Cetrion's the key to all this, if we get Cetrion working. 'Cause she's a funnier character than we've ever had in the games." - Ed Boon

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

MK11 convinced me netherrealm really REALLY liked making injustice 2. To a harmful degree lol. The villains are basically injustice 3 characters and half the roster looks suoer cleaned up like they're from a modern American comic book or something

[@SeasoningTheObese]

@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero Half the roster looking like awful Saturday morning Power Ranger knock offs was one of the weirdest design choices I've ever experienced.

[@davidspackagelp]

@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero It's nice to hear this because I hated the designs and look of MK11 and I thought it was just me. All weirdly flat colors, no contrasts.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@davidspackagelp I think they're fine on their own, but often come off as flat action figures that are meant to look as flashy as possible. Which is weird for me to say as a massive fan of Guilty Gear, a series known for bonkers looking characters with lots of belts, but the designs and clothes-set there are detailed and balanced color-wise in order to not look off and somehow maintain immersion in their crazy world (the latest game, Strive, gave everyone a big glowup in that department). I guess you could say they look crazy, but they manage to sell that crazy-ness.

[@jarviswash2307]

​​​​@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero I think that's what the series was always going for. Look at mk3's costumes. And there were also the comic books based on the games.

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

Mk11s story was such a weird turn. "Hey we built up the combat kids and dark raiden because Shinnok corrupte- no wait screw that, time duplicates and villains straight out of injustice 3" As usual, pats statements have a diamond of truth under the searing hyperbole. Mortal kombat has always relied on gimmicks to stand out, Super Turbo vs MK2 or even UMK3 is pretty one sided in terms of gameplay.

[@cyberninjazero5659]

At least they used to be innovative. Of course it all starts with Fatalities but MK9s story mode was a game changer, unless you count anime adaptations, it might have been the first time a Fighting Game had a story mode, that was game changing for the genre for better and for worse

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@cyberninjazero5659 It was a story better written than most Street Fighter adaptations and in-game story.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@li-limandragon9287 Here's hoping for SF6. I've actually been surprised by how good the comic's been lately.

[@Agent_Cobalt]

The revenants turning into the biggest jobbers was honestly a bigger missed opportunity than what they do with Kotal

[@NeutralGuyDoubleZero]

@@Agent_Cobalt I know lol. MK9 built it up like crazy during its ending. MKX mad a big deal out of some of the previous characters getting restored. But shuffled off as minions in 11, like current Raiden getting blown to pieces and having a fresh raiden take his place.

[@flmalegre]

With this Pat truly earned his nomination for 2023's Playa Haters' Ball.

[@DethGuy95]

2:54 "it is also Mortal Kombat 1-2" Pat with the vicious mixup

[@xx123manxx]

It's also wrong because this would be Mortal Kombat 1 - 3

[@cyberninjazero5659]

​@@xx123manxx Mortal Kombat X and MK 11 being called what they were just confirmed that 9 was 9 so yes this is 1 - 2

[@torgo1985]

Continuing this logic, Mortal Kombat 13 should be called Mortal Kombat 22

[@cyberninjazero5659]

@@torgo1985 But will it be as good as Ultimate Battle 22?

[@iller3]

Are we also not counting The Movie THE GAME?

[@matehiqu9905]

Essentially the argument is that Woolie appreciates the progress made in the last 3 games, while Pat thinks it's too little too late

[@chopman5152]

It's really more that Pat doesn't like MK and will never like MK no matter what they do. His feet are planted and immovable.

[@infernaldisdain8051]

Pat thinks that the improvements aren't good enough to praise, and the bad parts aren't bad enough that it will live in infamy. It's mid, and held up entirely by it's gimmick.

[@chopman5152]

@@infernaldisdain8051 I mean MK9 is a better fighting game than anything Capcom put out from 2012-Present until SF6 releases, but you and him can keep coping.

[@1wayroad935]

If only he had the same mindset with Budokai Tenkaichi

[@msbkaioken136]

@@infernaldisdain8051 which is just objectively wrong

[@SpadeHand]

Rare footage of Pat actually being insane AND correct

[@Vampireinarm1]

this must be AI generated then

[@dullroar2673]

Being upfront about your biases does a lot to defuse criticisms for matters of taste

[@roman11777]

while woolie continues to be the other M apologist

[@dogsoldier123]

When is Pat not insane?

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@roman11777 Woolie has admitted later its bad, his Samus boner just blinded him at the time.

[@lordentropy460]

Woolie actually looking into the camera at 5:30 because Pat tells him to is fucking hilarious.

[@GrayD_Fox]

Front facing Woolie isn’t real

[@Edward-Not-Elric]

​@@GrayD_Fox he *_CAN_* hurt you

[@malikoniousjoe]

@@GrayD_FoxGet into Fighting… Primarily me. Now.

[@parodysam]

“I don’t like mortal kombat” Says the guy who taught me everything I know about mortal kombat.

[@proposterous2808]

Any self-respecting hater takes the time to educate themselves on the thing they hate so they can hate it more accurately

[@leithaziz2716]

Being exposed to something long enough and knowing the nitty-gritty when it comes to said thing makes you more educated and aware of the flaws when it comes to critiscising. Why do you think most people who critique bosses or the combat in Elden Ring are also long-time Souls fans? Or why 4th Snake, the guy infamous for critiquing NRS, is a big fan of the franchise that he's critiscising.

[@msbkaioken136]

@@proposterous2808 that's literally the definition of being a pathetic loser like what bro why are you pretending that you wouldn't think so on many occasions and topics

[@msbkaioken136]

@@leithaziz2716 infamous is correct that guy is a know clown nobody takes him seriously

[@leithaziz2716]

@@msbkaioken136 If you're confident, then you don't need to re-affirm, no?

[@HarryFA1]

Guys, I don't think Pat likes Mortal Kombat

[@BaldurOverlord]

He loves it

[@strepsilsaregood4u]

One of the few valid opinions from Pat.

[@1wayroad935]

He is violently Tsun to MK

[@yukiminsan]

BASED

[@oc3891]

He likes Reptile that's it that's as far as it goes

[@Ottrond]

When Pat is not on my side: Ugh. Fucking Pat. When Pat is on my side: Anger never felt so good, hatred's texture is so exquisite. I feel so powerful.

[@richardjohnson8991]

Pat was as ready for this conversation as he's ever been

[@TheHaloAdventureShow]

I never thought in the five plus years since the two dads separated that I would ever hear Pat utter Matts presence let alone his name ever again...but holy fuck when I heard that I woke up for like the first time fully alerted

[@SupremeKingToshiro]

This was the clip I was waiting for. I was surprised Pat mentioned Matt name. Also I agree with both there points.

[@HolyDeviant1]

Literally the one thing Matt was ever right about - and he's *super right* - is that media can be good, it can be bad, but it must never, ever, EVER be boring and mediocre.

[@MapleFried]

He casually mentions Matt pretty often tbh

[@mikishisensei1]

@@MapleFried He'll make reference but never full on name dropping

[@SeasoningTheObese]

We'll probably get Matt and Pat content again. As someone who's personally had a huge blow up with 2 friends, it got better... about 11 years later in one case.

[@seanthompson1950]

Pat has mentioned Matt many a time. Pat said in stream it'd be weird to pretend that part of his life never happened. It's Matt who acts like saying Pat's name is taboo.

[@Katagara84]

Pat being a professional hater is always most fun when it's directed towards a series I don't care about

[@heykak]

Pat hating MK:this is great Pat hating SW: hey now...

[@Katagara84]

@@heykak It's hard to be a Fate fan on CSB

[@antonhanna2423]

@@Katagara84 Pat & Woolie hating live-action adaptations: Good, good. Let the Vitriolic anger grow with every breath. Remember the times where the creators would talk shit about the fan-base, waste so much time and money and ruin the whole thing afterwards just to announce a sequel.🤣

[@GrayD_Fox]

But is terrible when it is a game you care about

[@Edward-Not-Elric]

Even when it's a game I care about. Because then I get to playfully yell at Pat in my head that he's SO FRICKIN WRONG ARE, YOU KIDDING ME?!

[@SchrosDinger]

The cartoonish blood and violence of the first Mortal Kombat was subversive and controversial for its time, but I gotta say that staring at people being turned into living fruit gushers has gotten more and more nauseating as the graphics get more realistic.

[@TClaymore]

Really, the big thing is that it's gotten less and less interesting. Fatalities haven't advanced because the only thing the devs have given them is shock value. They never really understood how to use them to express the characters doing them, except for the Cages. They could _easily_ have crafted Fatalities that exemplify who the fighters are, but all I see is "oh, they're all Jigsaw with different tools."

[@leithaziz2716]

@@TClaymore So I might be mentioning this too often, but I think Guilty Gear's Instant Kills are a great solution and an example of the thing you're talking about.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@leithaziz2716 MVC has supers that are awesome and don’t rely on gore.

[@KnightsDisillusion]

This is legit one of the best segments in CSB. POP OFF KING!

[@thewordywarlock7159]

Pat's so fucking right. I'm also in the camp of "no game should ever require its devs to look at terabytes of images of actual corpses and violent injuries just to make the blood and guts accurate when they explode out of our dumb action figures whenever somebody loses a match"

[@SorakuFett]

Worst part is the fatalities in 11 weren't even made well compared to prior games.

[@TacticalReaper56]

​@@SorakuFett they were decent. But I do feel where you're coming from.

[@MattManDX1]

@@SorakuFett MK11 fatalities were made to be goofy and fun rather than realistic or gruesome, and I preferred that silly approach. Jax's "Home Run!" fatality has become one of my favorites in the series.

[@joedatius]

​@@MattManDX1 this is true which makes it more baffling that NRS decided to mentality damage its employees for the sake of "realism"

[@Dragonsmana]

Absolutely. Still pretty fucked that it was for MK of all things. No game is worth that, especially not Mortal God damn Kombat.

[@1wayroad935]

Here we see Woolie dying on a hill he shouldn't even have been on

[@cB-sr9kd]

It's weird to see Pat arguing like this and find myself being convinced by him.

[@joekewl7539]

Even he's like "I don't even know why I'm on this hill, I'm only neutral on MK!"

[@J_Themborn]

Yeah at the beginning I was like “Okay Pat’s being silly again.” But then I was like “Actually he’s making sense.”

[@joekewl7539]

@@J_Themborn Oh absolutely. I was already there. Mortal Kombat just feels so behind the times in playability, competitiveness, and fun factor. It is SO reliant on fatalities and graphics, and the story is just gone now. I genuinely believe if they just started over from the top, square one, let's retell the original trilogy mostly the same but with a much bigger focus on gameplay and ascending MK as a Fighting Game then we'd be great off.

[@mr.goblin6039]

@@joekewl7539 That’s what they did with MK9, though. Like, you’re asking for them to do the thing they already did.

[@MarakamiSG]

You know this clip is a good one when both of them have to mention the old channel and even Matt.

[@Loffeleif]

I think this is the first time I hear Matt namedropped since the SBFP days

[@cherrygrabber7172]

Matt, like a Force Ghost, applauded and threw a fire axe into a chasm. Just like MK throwing itself into one.

[@sdbzfan1]

@@Loffeleif they've done so in the past especially Pat

[@malikoniousjoe]

@@cherrygrabber7172I can hear him laughing now

[@tylergregoire1763]

Pat is more right here than he’s been in his entire life, it’s the best it’s ever been.

[@gutnbjk]

Man standing knee deep in the ashes of Virtua Fighter screaming up at the clouds at the MK fans

[@li-limandragon9287]

To be fair Virtua Fighter is actual fighting game. Not just a showcase for beautiful graphics wanked off in your face like MK11 was.

[@SoaringLettuce]

MK really seems like the epitome of "the graphics, tho"

[@MapleFried]

That's because it is; and I say this as someone who's in the "it's stupid and I like it camp"

[@francescolombardi3438]

but the blood physics, tho

[@VV-js4vd]

And to be fair, MK9 and X are really ugly, technically speaking. There's a reason people were AMAZED at Injustice 2's visuals, because the upgrade over MKX, and even more so, Injustice 1 (ugliest triple A game known to men) was gigantic

[@aftertone3146]

"muh gore, tho"

[@Hillthugsta]

That franchise was carried by it's graphic violence and gore. The fact it made headlines also helped in it's popularity. The movie being as good as it was also helped.

[@Sergei_Nohomo]

You know that feeling when you haven’t seen a family member or friend in so long but you hear their voice and it’s just like a soothing blanket, I got that when Pat just went off it’s like a warm hate blanket that takes me home, speak your truth Pat.

[@badwrongfun5541]

Once again Pat is 100% correct but he just sounds like he's wrong because he's angry and how Woolie tries to frame himself as the reasonable one.

[@wumbojet]

I've long ago gained the ability to look past aesthetics in discussion so I'm enlightened to be able to see the truth behind most of Pat's points, of which he's correct more often than not.

[@seraphiim444]

i don’t think he even sounds like he’s wrong, honestly

[@leithaziz2716]

I actually agree. Most of Pat's points here are solid, but I am not surprised if a random bystander thought he was going crazy.

[@gameb9oy]

Woolie just decided to get defensive, which is weird since even in this clip Woolie admits himself he doesn’t like the game that much so aside from the hilarity the watchers get from pat rants, I don’t get why he’s making the argument

[@heykak]

​@@gameb9oy it's like he can't accept that pat dislikes something with good arguments. Like, pat is often insane (with his arguments if not with his reasoning) but he is allowed to rationally dislike something

[@Ryclak]

I've never seen Woolie slowly coming back around to Pat's side after getting frustrated like that before.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

Listened to this yesteray and I wanna say, MK doesn't even improve in an upward trajectory MKX, though it looks like ass, feels 1000x better to play than MK11 MK11 feels like playing SF1 in comparison to MKX, and its really off putting for a game so over the top to feel so restrictive with its control and handeling To say nothing of character balance or game mechanics, MKX feels more fun to play because I at least don't feel like I'm underwater the whole f*cking time

[@kapkant6197]

Infinite meter in MK11 lmao

[@Dasaltwarrior]

@@kapkant6197 Infinite meter to use the most boring EX's I've probably ever seen in a fighting game

[@morbidtoaster8615]

MK tends to have a similar problem that sonic the hedgehog has. They’ll have some good ideas here and there but the execution isn’t always excellent. So instead of trying to stick to those good ideas and improve on them they’ll just keep adding in new mechanics that they don’t know how to make feel fun or even balance properly.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

@@morbidtoaster8615 Thats probably due to Ed Boon just being kinda burned out on the series. Dude's been upfront about how its just a job for him at this point for awhile now

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@Dasaltwarrior Pity he can’t sympathise with the people who actually work on the game and feel same, rather than crunching them to hell.

[@DollarinoJones]

That piece of wisdom really did come from an unexpected fucking place.

[@X_Blake]

In some ways. Pat is right. I like MK, but it has nothing on fighting games like Street Fighter, Tekken, Gulity Gear, and even Skullgirls.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I’d even put most Dragon Ball games above MK’s gameplay, even biggest button mushers where most of the characters feel the same. At least they feel fun to play.

[@StanNotSoSaint]

SKULLGIRLS! You want them aircombos but you want them with chicks? All that Mahvel hype but without all the dicks! SKULLGIRLS!!!

[@sdbzfan1]

This reminds me of when Pat saw Cyberpunk back when the gang was all together and everyone was on his ass about it being totally real and then Pat ended up being the most correct when it comes to "fake" gameplay

[@cottonmouthaudio5041]

Also it's worth noting Mortal Kombat has had three games to grow, Killer Instinct who was pretty much Mortal Kombat's coat tail riding little brother got it right in one.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

With WAY less time and money no less

[@Shiratto]

We live in the worst fucking timeline

[@iiequinox8044]

I love Mortal Kombat, but I can agree that Netherrealm's writing team is the monarch of writing themselves into corners. They threw away so many cool chances in 11 and decided to go with Time travel, which is inevitably gonna cause bullshit.

[@cephaloncurry834]

Hearing Pat pop off on MK so hard reminds me of the time SBF had that one podcast segment where pat goes off on melee pro players using broken controllers.

[@Dragonsmana]

Also "The Gameboy had good games" one lol

[@Dasaltwarrior]

I'm a fan of the All Star SuperMan rant myself

[@NateVHVT]

The burial of Smash players is one of the best memories I have of the SBFP podcast.

[@MPLoura]

Woolies' face while Pat is GOING OFF is hilarious. I had to pause the video a couple of times just to laugh like a maniac.

[@li-limandragon9287]

MKX was a really good step in a right direction, MK11 shat the bed and just did the worst comic book tropes and shit from before with no growth.

[@leonardchurch814]

Pat is such a hater, and I love him for it.

[@phantasosxgames8488]

and he is right. MK is stiff AF , it will have the prettiest graphics and fatalities....with the most dogsh*t stance and animation , prepare for the characters to fance-punch and most awkward low kick and punches.

[@ThiagoJaqueta]

@@phantasosxgames8488 Can't wait to see the brand new "punching over fence™" and "awkward kick while squatting™" animations.

[@Rudero3]

Pat's voice got higher and higher, and faster and faster, it was like the good retro crazy-frustrated form of Pat made a cameo today, while Woolie remains calm and dignified.

[@infernaldisdain8051]

And yet Pat is right and Woolie is on the backfoot, what does this say about society!?

[@fenrir3097]

@@infernaldisdain8051 that Woolie is a fool, he knows nothing. He may sound like a silly clown. But he won't turn his back on life.

[@ew275x]

I AM A MK HATER I AM A MK HATER I AM A MK HATER WOOLIE I AM A MK HATER

[@Rudero3]

@@infernaldisdain8051 I think both their arguments are valid and right, Mortal Kombat 11 feels like shit, and the animations have been bad but they do play good, like combos are fun, and if you ignore your weird idle stances and whatnot, the games are good. Are they better than Street Fighter 4, no lol.

[@Geneolgia]

You could say classic Pat made a _Kameo_

[@InsomniacTC]

The way that Cetrion bit sent Woolie... Perfection

[@DrRobby1985]

I'm an MK fan and completely understood Pat's rage. 😂

[@li-limandragon9287]

I’ve wined and dined MK, loved 9 and MKX and don’t mind the overall story. But now I can’t stand its choices, it wants to be new and cool and throw away the cheesiness of the 90s when deep down it’s lives and dies based of its cheesiness. It also got infected by DC and Warner Bros so now they reboot themselves every second.

[@Americanbadashh]

Fans and haters often times overlap. Just one wants the franchise to be better, and the other wants it to be gone

[@IrishKyokushin]

@@li-limandragon9287 The problem is, with DC you can tell hundreds, if not thousands of stories with a characters within a decade. NRS rebooted MK in 2011 with MK9. And now 12 years later, 3 games later, they're rebooting again. Pat was right when he said they should be ashamed of themselves. You can't tell 3 stories without fucking up and needing to reboot? Pink slips need to be handed out at NRS.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@IrishKyokushin They’re also banking the appeal of the mascot ninjas who aren’t even the main characters of the story. If they were willing to sit down and try new things like Scorpion/Sub-Zero game in a Seikro Tsushima style that would or remake stuff like Special Forces or Konquest it would probably be great. Street Fighter is willingly to experiment hard even with their newest release that’s making up for the previous game.

[@oppaibruh4469]

@@li-limandragon9287 👀 Shaolin Monks 2?

[@TheJamacaneseNerd04231996]

One of the few times that I'm in total agreement with Pat. I'll also add that i, personally, don't wanna support a franchise that has its animators study gore all day for reference.

[@neauxway]

They should change MK into a baking competition instead of a fighting tournament, and the winner stomps on the loser's cake.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

Yeah, I don't think that people would complain if it was just vague globs of viscera

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

@@neauxway You joke, but Ermac has probably done that.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@Dasaltwarrior Meat? The character yes they should bring him back. He’s better then Kronika.

[@wadespencer3623]

@@neauxway Wasn't there a cooking show parody bit in one of them? With Subzero I think.

[@richardkhchang]

Playing good fighting games and then playing Mortal Kombat feels exactly like watching good Martial Arts movies and then watching a Steven Seagal movie.

[@li-limandragon9287]

MK nowadays feels like the movies where Steven Seagal hates having to get up from his chair.

[@wolfsy7]

I got a good chuckle from this perfect lol

[@_Jay_Maker_]

So it's like watching _Mortal Kombat_ and then _playing_ Mortal Kombat?

[@VTown1989]

"MKX" was an attempt to break the numbering mold... Only for them to go right back to numbering with "MK11"... and now we are here with "MK1"

[@li-limandragon9287]

Man MK Mythologies and Deception is just looking better then ever.

[@fissilewhistle]

But X is a number? It’s just the Roman numeral of 10.

[@AhkoRC]

Woolie: "Not to go full MK defence force..." Goes full MK defence force.

[@ZetaFan42069]

Pat is right money is what keeping MK relevant, its like Fortnite everyone is dogging on it to have bad gameplay and gun feel but it has infinite money and has guest characters like MK.

[@Zyquux]

Pat was the epitome of "he's out of line, but he's right". As someone who doesn't play fighting games very often, MK just doesn't feel good to play. At least D'Vorah is cool.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Wow very rare to see someone praise D’vorah after she killed favourite husbando and waifu Scorpion and Mileena.

[@LJdaOG]

Seeing Woolie try to come to grips with and try to undermine Pat's defenses was like the best kind of schlocky anime battle. He goes, "so this is the hill you're going to die on?" and then gets hit from behind from a totally different hill that Pat had apparently been standing on all along. And then it happens several more times, each time Woolie more certain that he's going to turn out to be the reasonable one THIS TIME, for real.

[@Americanbadashh]

Pat's hitting him like Might Guy or Gran Torino

[@sasaki999pro]

​@@Americanbadashh He straight opened all eight gates on Woolie 💀

[@tenworms]

As a fellow MK hater, I am fucking eating right now

[@MementoMortis21]

And just to spite him [Crazy Talk] will now manifest and make it so that MK1 is so good and improved that even Pat has to admit how good it is.

[@fissionchips6413]

Pat is COOKING

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

skubs wouldn't bother me so much if the old ones died before they started bombarding me with the new ones.

[@GodsRighthandman]

i’m glad we can openly talk about the best friends without it being awkward

[@Kango234]

Pat has mentioned Matt a lot and even said it'd be weird to pretend that wasn't a large part of his life. It's certain other people that treat it weird. Honestly I kind of hate they still refer to it as "The old channel" though. Not because I'm a fan boy who wants them to go back to it or something, I just think treating it like Voldemort makes it even more awkward.

[@hibiki8473]

@@Kango234 tbf I can imagine just saying old channel more convenient then going "best friends channel" or "superbestfriends channel"

[@seraphiim444]

@@Kango234 they’ve referred to it by name before i think they just say it like that for the sake of convenience

[@Kango234]

​@@hibiki8473 That is actually super fair.

[@samazam4221]

Both of them never actually have any problem with people talking about the old channel. Its a major part of their brand and career. The only issue is when people are being weird about it, like asking for a reunion, or how they missed "the good old days when everyone were still best friends" or other stupid shit. People just tend do be inconsiderate tactless parasocial jackasses whenever that topic comes up.

[@Thanatoast250]

Ed Boon would be the fucker who would go for the "MK12 is MK one two"

[@In-The-Zone]

I have never related to Pat more than him describing Mortal Kombat. I have embraced the one true truth of the Orb.

[@ElseeKay]

woolie saying pat is dying on a hill when woolie is the one bleeding out made me HOWL

[@SM4SH3R]

Same lol

[@Texmex386]

This could've been another Darth Vader comic segment but this time Pat's absolutely right. I've rarely heard people talk about MK gameplay or if it's any good or not but everyone talks about fatalities, graphics and the techno song.

[@li-limandragon9287]

It’s a real shame because I do like the MK characters and stories but like the game play it’s become bog standard and repetitive.

[@biggiewiggie5557]

I don't dislike MK, but that cheese analogy was spot-on with fatalities

[@li-limandragon9287]

It’s fact they’re hypocritical enough to boost about being more mature and cool (no skimpy clothing) while still banking literally everything off juvenile splatter that bugs me. It’s a kiddie pool thinking it’s deep.

[@biggiewiggie5557]

@@li-limandragon9287 They one other major thing that they also refuse to do anything mature or meaningful with their story modes, a main fucking selling point. MK characters are more stagnant and paper thin than Street Fighter characters. Like, how the fuck do you do that?

[@cherrygrabber7172]

Can't wait for Woolie to ask who's Sareena. Then Matt would burst through a wall to tell him for the third/ fourth time.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Woolie needs to play MK Mythologies with Reggie. He’ll remember Sareena then.

[@mortified0]

Imagine a world in which Dong Dong Never Die got the modern day Mortal Kombat budget. There would be no contest, MK would lose.

[@Crusader820]

You say that as if Dong Dong Never Die doesn’t already win even without a budget. It’s even in the title, man! DONG DONG WILL NEVER DIE!

[@StanNotSoSaint]

Weren't 2d MKs Dong Dong with budget already?

[@starwars90001]

Remember kids, don't make something good to get people into seats, make it flashy.

[@zaneseibert]

"If its not flashy then what's the point" -Brilliant Dynamite Ed Boon

[@RevolverDivider]

Pat is right in every conceivable way. All of his previous wrongness was simply storing up right power for this one shining moment.

[@malikoniousjoe]

MK9 is still peak MK in my book. Bright and still goofy visuals, a strong roster, and the ability to wrap up MK1-3 in a single story mode for reboot.

[@alexanderfreeman3406]

MK9 is such a bizarre memory for me. I remember loving it when it came out - it’s what got me back into fighting games. But literally every time I’ve tried playing it since I’ve absolutely hated it.

[@IrishKyokushin]

9 was the last time MK felt like a labor of love. From X on it felt like a soulless cash grab since.

[@existentialselkath1264]

There's genuinely no way that trailer is gameplay, unless it's UE5 or is using a ton of raytracing effects. - No aliasing issues or subpixel shimmering - shadows pick up insanely small details yet get softer the further they're cast - particle effects influence lighting with full global illumination - no polygonal edges in sight. Its 100% an offline render

[@ExaltedUriel]

Woolie, as the ambassador of Get Into Fighting Games, is oath-bound to defend them, even the bad ones.

[@greatestcait]

Even Dong Dong Never Die.

[@chuckin6823]

@@greatestcait are you implying the greatest game of all time, Dong Dong Never Die, is bad?

[@mannythelazyguy6529]

@@greatestcait dong dong, by been an "asset flip" or accumulation of different fighters its by itself superior to any mortal kombat since it doenst have a block button

[@csterra9647]

can't wait for them to kill Kotal......again

[@pickledparsleyparty]

He's coming back as a servant girl this time, just you watch.

[@randominternetsurfersurfin7595]

@@pickledparsleyparty Hey don't threaten us with a good time, good time being seeing an Aztic Maid Girl.

[@sasaki999pro]

Unless they add a wheelchair variation, in which case Elder Gods help us all.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@CS Terra Kotal gets too hate, he’s cool character they just chickened and brought Shao Khan back to job him. Which is dumb when they just have Shao Khan job too.

[@sunkeyavad6528]

1:05 I hate it aswell. Destroys searchability of the original. Also creates confusions and then everybody has to say [Game Name] ([year it released]) or something inconvenient like that. Just give it _some_ distinction. Even if it's just [name] 1R.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I wish more sequels went with the “Aliens” or “Predators” school of titles. Mortal Kombats is fine.

[@hubhikarilives]

When the podcast clip is over 30 mins long, I know it’s gonna be amazing

[@rudeboyspodcast]

I've always felt like MK is stiff as fuck and feels terrible to play, so hearing Pat say that out loud really validated me

[@li-limandragon9287]

I’ve only played MKX and MK2 in a arcade so I can’t say. I don’t want to touch 11 and 12 if it’s just gonna be stiff as hell.

[@anthonychessar7179]

​@@li-limandragon9287 if you REALLY want to know why NRS animation sucks. Then I HIGHLY recommend a KZbinr named "Sugarpunch Design Shop", they have a good selection of videos in their "a.b.i.torial" playlist breaking down the horrible animation of X, INJ2, & 11 from the perspective of a fighting game fan and animation major.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@anthonychessar7179Ta

[@AntiRivet]

Matt and the Best Friends channel are confirmed to be canon now.

[@ewancreskeyallan1403]

Can’t wait for Mortal Kombat: Series X

[@AngryHomunculus]

Is there also gonna be a lower spec version called MK: Series S?

[@Dabajaws]

Mortal kombat: One X

[@felipeaguena5289]

"Cowboy" lmao

[@Noxshade]

Pat becomes the wrestling heel that crowd is still behind, while Woolie is forced to play the face, even though he'd rather not.

[@StardustSynchron]

I’m in the dumb and I like it camp. I don’t love the gameplay compared to other fighters for me, but it’s fun to just play for fun and watch the dumb story personally.

[@KaroSword]

I, like Pat, fail to see the value in a hyper violent spectacle that doesnt deliver in any other department as far as enjoying a video game is concerned. Always felt that way... MK 9 was mad fun tho imo

[@li-limandragon9287]

I mean there’s good stuff in there, Mileena’s ending in 11 is legitimately heartwarming but that’s tiny part of a bloated generic mess. People made fun of the Deception era shit but at least it was trying something new.

[@Ghouleh3133]

I love Mortal Kombat. I love how trashy it is - how unrepentantly campy and extra everything everything is portrayed as. Pat is super right. And Woolie tries such a half-hearted defense, that it's clear his heart is not in it. Basically he turns into Liam.

[@music79075]

Mortal Kombat would actually be better if it leaned into the Freindship finishers as opposed to the gorn.

[@mr.goblin6039]

@@music79075 How? The Friendship stuff works because it’s meant to be a contrast to the gore. You can’t have the Friendship without the Fatalities.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@mr.goblin6039 Counterargument, Guilty Gear's Instant Kills exist, and they rarely feature any gore.

[@joedatius]

Its because woolies doesn't disagree with pat lmao

[@moonpoff6456]

@@leithaziz2716 I wish Fatalities were cool instead of sadistic and gory. Scorpion's fatality with the burning chain last game is one of the coolest Fatalities the new games have ever had, and there isn't even any blood

[@mr_athrillaesq4283]

Pat just listed every reason why I don't want NRS to handle this rumored Marvel/ Marvel vs DC fighting game. The disappointment I felt with MVC:I infinite would just be magnified x10.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I mean a Marvel Injustice would be cool but wouldn’t play nearly as good as the MVC games.

[@fissilewhistle]

God, an NRS Marvel game would just be the worst thing ever.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@fissilewhistle Those supers would be fun tho.

[@nomoon327]

They hated Pat because he spoke the truth.

[@NurseValentineSG]

I kinda like MK, but my absolute biggest gripe with it is that they fill the roster with a large amount of zoners, but then make the zoning really really really boring. Projectiles cannot interact with each other unless they are specifically coded to do so. Most projectiles are just going from left to right with nothing special about them. There is just no cool counterplay surrounding it.

[@strepsilsaregood4u]

As someone who gravitates towards zoners, I 100% agree. I like zoners to be crazy like Dizzy, the Murakumos and JP. NRS zoners have always looked lame as hell.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@Nurse Valentine It’s shame they never experimented more with physical supers like Capcom games rather than “How brutal can we make this look”.

[@nogoodchad4473]

what they introduced as brutalities probably just should have flat-out replaced fatalities. At least then you would see them every once in a while without feeling like you're wasting your time.

[@BombsAh0y]

I never knew Mortal Kombat was so vilified.

[@Entropic_Alloy]

It is funny to me how much hate MK gets from the "tradition FGC" scene when it is the most popular FG bar none. I honestly feel like a lot of "purists" just hate anything that isn't structured off the backbone that SF started with and are salty that MK is massively successful with a casual audience over SF and other Japanese fighting games. Yeah it is dumb, but I like it. It is easier to just get angry and hate things than engage with it on an earnest level.

[@almac5446]

It's not the factor of like oh it's popular and they hate it it's more just fatigue sure we'll get somewhat better gameplay I guess I hope the story probably might be stupid but the ones in the mortal Kombat is known for is fatalities and that's it

[@yogurt_junior]

it's not salt, it's just not a good fighting game. The original gameplay was based on digitized photos which made the gameplay very stilted and each character had the same normal attacks with only different special moves . Not only that but all the characters were the same size, same speed, and jumped the same. Street Fighter 2 had various fighters each with a distinct fighting style except Ken and Ryu. Street Fighter had characters with different reaches, different normal attacks, jumped at different distances, and had different learning curves for each character. In MK the same foundational stiffness in basic gameplay remains which is a shame.

[@nspade9252]

MK might hit high highs, but the audience doesn't stick around for long. People aren't "salty" because of the success, they're critiquing it for being sloppy.

[@MKLANCER00]

Pat is my dog in this fight

[@kovulion7777]

MK brought in the Kameo Pat: Imma bring in the Matt Kameo name drop to finish your comment Woolie

[@CaptainDemo779]

WARNING: TACTICAL NUCLEAR PAT DETECTED! THE BOIVIN HAS GONE CRITICAL!

[@SoaringLettuce]

Man, Battlefield 1 is such a great title.

[@ChrisDeebo]

It is the best Battlefield game imo, peak fps in general

[@ChrisMerkelStudios]

I can't wait for Ed Boon to call the next one "Mortal Kombat 12" out of spite. Just to fuck with everyone.

[@chinmin1942]

When you browse the files, it's straight-up gonna be called "MortalKombat12.exe" (not confirmed, but this did happen with Mortal Kombat X, and I would laugh my ass off if they did it again)

[@soliduswasright678]

MK is the COD of fighting games. It sells the most, has horrible monetization, and the community is dudebros who play it once to see the fatalities.

[@kapkant6197]

And like CoD there's a subset of overly analytical weirdos who obsess over the lore far more than the devs do (I'm in both groups)

[@HausAbendrot]

​@kapkant6197 I just think it's funny how Godzilla and King Kong are now canon in the World at War Timeline.

[@kapkant6197]

​@@HausAbendrot a CIA strike team had to listen to a 70 year old WWII vet in a secret bunker describe Snoop Dogg helping him fight German remnants in 1975. Also hell is real and there's a secret military unit that uses magic to fight them. Modern CoD lore is unironically the best

[@liammech6694]

and both started off with a soul, but have turned into generic hollywood action movies with bad writing. And you get called an idiot for paying attention to the plot, instead of going straight into multiplayer.

[@necroplayer97]

I totally agree with pat on all of this

[@7Ryong7]

IMAGINE DONG DONG NEVER DIE WITH MK11 BUDGET

[@Dragonsmana]

As crazy and hyperbolic as Pat gets in this segment, Woolie going full strawman to boil his argument into something he didn't even say really encapsulates both of them lol.

[@thelesser1533]

Pat ripping MK's ass open gives me life😂😂

[@li-limandragon9287]

Keep in mind his hate is born of love for franchise he actually got most of us into. It’s not just spite for the sake of it.

[@darkblur101]

What a finisher Pat, “who the fuck is Cetrion?”

[@li-limandragon9287]

I’ll take the awful Elder Gods from Annihilation over Cetrion. The game has gall to be like “Yo here’s the Elder Gods” and then has them job out to mooks.

[@J_Themborn]

At first in this I was on Woolie’s side but as the video went on I shifted to Pat’s argument. Like someone like me it’s like ice ninja and Xenomorph and Robocop, that’s cool. but fighting game DLC has done a good job of keeping me away from the genre.

[@1wayroad935]

Remember, Woolie is the one who wouldn't give Tenkaichi 3 a chance because of his experiences with 1.

[@ErayoTwilight]

The rare case where I'm actually 100% with Pat's take.

[@Zer0Hour17]

I've never agreed with Pat more about anything

[@li-limandragon9287]

Last time he was this right it was about Melee.