I Refuse To Carry That Weight | Castle Super Beast Clips

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[@LargeInCharge77]

Woolie discovering the clip of Ed was like walking outside and seeing the amygdalas hanging off the buildings for the first time

[@fajile5109]

How did it feel looking down and seeing the town under the lake?

[@joshuaperrin3910]

Fear the old Ed.

[@alexbrown7708]

@@joshuaperrin3910 Fear the new Ed

[@inktoxicant]

I felt the madman's insight counter tick up as Woolie watched live action ed

[@Loffeleif]

Tfw you eat all 3rds of the umbilical cord together

[@inktoxicant]

@@Loffeleif now I'm picturing the moon presence with the wig and the goggles oh god

[@chuckin6823]

Frenzy meter MAXED

[@1337w334b00]

@@Loffeleif I did that in Bloodborne back when it was the first month of the game. Was kinda sad to find out it does nothing to consume all of the cords at once.

[@sasaki999pro]

*OH ED-MYGDALA! HAVE MERCY ON THE POOR BASTARD!*

[@nomadscholar2585]

35:15 "Have you seen the clip of Ed?" Woolie's fate is sealed

[@yeetyateyote5570]

SPIIIIIIKKEEEEE! SPIKE SPEEEEIIGELLLLLLLLL!

[@tehskullmunkymedia594]

He had that same look on his face, when he tried the fermented soy beans in Japan.

[@Trygon]

Thank you for saving me 35 minutes

[@burnout02urza]

After meeting Ed, Spike probably just decided to die there in that alley, he didn't want to see what came next.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I don’t think any of us would blame him.

[@JapanFreak2595]

And then the show got canceled

[@burnout02urza]

@@JapanFreak2595 The pure cringe made his soul violently eject from his body, and he died right there. See you Space Cowboy...

[@serdash6548]

We can all agree that "We're big fans of this property and want to adapt it to live action" literally just means "We're sure there's a lot of money on this thing that people are nostalgic about."

[@Ozymandias2x]

"Especially if we twist it to match our stupid politics and then aggressively mock the fans if they complain."

[@li-limandragon9287]

The Watch is even worse because it tries be so progressive that it actually undermines the actual progressive messages of Terry Pratchett’s books.

[@just_matt214]

@@Ozymandias2x This isn't even about that anymore, Live Action Bebop straight up added racism where there was none in the original. It's nuts.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

is it still nostalgia if it's genuinely good? perhaps the constant usage as a negative has soured me on the word. the same thing happened to "triggered". i'm ranting. i taste pennies.

[@Neogears1312]

@@charleswisconsin9196 we need to make a word for the antithesis of nostalgia, because there's so much shit these days built on the absolute hatred of things from the past. This is the exact example, we explicitly refused to accept there was any quality from this show from the late 90's so we just rewrote it because now that its new its better.

[@MichaelHerrera94]

36:33 - denial 36:44 - anger 37:42 - bargaining 37:49 - depression 38:26 - acceptance

[@everforward5561]

Woolie continually giving people the benefit of the doubt is like a boxer who keeps his guard on point, only to lower his arms at the worst possible moment.

[@ThePuddingDead]

Quite the opposite, when he cannot, for the life of him put down his GOD. DAMN. SHIELD.

[@End3rDJgaming]

"I know he keeps throwing right hooks, but imma keep blocking left in case he switches it up on me."

[@Qamikace]

Woolie feels every single emotion in the span of a minute.

[@BenLubar]

woolie somehow went through 15 stages of grief

[@Jgt612]

Never seen a person take actual damage from a trailer before that’s neat. To see what a failed WIS save looks like in the flesh.

[@DoragonShinzui]

"You take 10d6 Psychic damage and are filled with despair."

[@ArchArturo]

@@DoragonShinzui "You also have disadvantage on Wisdom saves"

[@007zenmaster]

"and you are unable to take take reactions."

[@Jhylla81]

The fact that people think that 'X needs a live-action adaption' like the media it came from is less than a live action is absurd. Cowboy Bebop didn't need a live action adaption.

[@leithaziz2716]

It's likely the push from Hollywood to make a live action version of most animated products. Either because live action has a broader audience or because they think "cartoons" are for kids.

[@CaptainTitforce]

Netflix even released the original show just before this one. It seems like even they knew the adaptation would be a shitshow.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

It’s not people, it’s execs who think cartoons are for babies and that Americans will only watch marvel movies

[@Comkill117]

I stand by the harsh rhetoric that someone once said when talking about animation being made into live action: “If you weren’t willing to see the original story because it was animated, you don’t deserve to see it.”

[@elrowlight4639]

@@Comkill117 by that logic, it is very correct to trash on people who don't wanna read the manga because they're waiting for the anime adaptation instead. And don't tell me it's not the same thing, both cases denies to see the original because it's not in the medium they would enjoy.

[@Hegataro]

I do love the "we're big fans of this property and want to adapt it into live action and do it justice" to "fucking it up to the point where it seems like they wanted to purposefully tarnish the reputation of said property" pipeline As a fan of One Piece, I can't fucking wait for what the fuck Netflix is going to do to it

[@jor4114]

Bebop and One Piece are at least mainstream enough to live past the shitty adaptation. Yu Yu Hakusho, on the other hand, might not.

[@GIZMONDO987]

@@jor4114 LBR Togashi's already got one foot in the grave and Netflix is about to stick the other one in there

[@leithaziz2716]

As an outsider to One-Piece, isn't the series VERY long? How much of that can you adapt in a live action Netflix show?

[@dogsoldier123]

@@GIZMONDO987 I really hope Togashi is doing well. I don't want another great mangaka to pass before they finish their story

[@Hegataro]

@@leithaziz2716 The series is very long, yes BUT the casting has only shown us the first 5 Straw Hats, therefore I presume it's only going to be the first 100 chapters (like 50 episodes of the anime), aka the East Blue Saga

[@neighandwhinnymchorse2100]

45:52 if I remember correctly, there's explicitly the opposite of that. The OG creator literally *warned* fans that he had no part in this, had no input, they didn't come to him, and fully dissociated himself from it.

[@brendanb2982]

I could've sworn Netflix said he was a creative consultant. Did he ditch the project or were they straight up lying?

[@neighandwhinnymchorse2100]

@@brendanb2982 probably straight up lying. Would you put it past them?

[@In-The-Zone]

@@brendanb2982 Thing about consultants is the you go to consult with them not the other way around. "hiring" the original director or creator of a property as a consultant is just an easy check box for marketing, you don't actually have to speak to them nor do they have any say. The only time having an original creator involved actually matters is if they hold an executive producer position in which they can then actually block or add things.

[@Tamaki742]

@@brendanb2982 I mean, Toriyama Akira was also called as a consultant. But he's ultimately ignored because "we can write your stuff better". The rest is history.

[@fuckiopussigetti453]

@@Tamaki742 honestly, even without the writers strike in 08, that movie was gonna be trash.

[@nervmeister]

Feels like I'm hearing Pat describe an infamous botched execution as if he were there as a witness.

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

“I cannot tell you what happened, I can only tell you what I saw 🥺”

[@MTdaBlacking]

"They forgot to dip the sponge in water, so Mr. Vicious was horrifically fried in front of the horrified audience..."

[@AK3601]

holy shit lmao

[@dermondreigns8045]

Tragic seeing Woolie get turned into the Joker by the Ed clip

[@tylergregoire1763]

Woolie, once positive and hopeful about the live action remake, carries with him now the shame and embarrassment of ever thinking Netflix would ever be capable of doing the show properly.

[@FlameOfUdun96]

To be fair, that one trailer did look cool with the editing and stuff

[@maylabrown4584]

@@FlameOfUdun96 Black Jet was huge flag

[@yahav10898]

@@maylabrown4584 Not to me tbh. The lack of Ed and overall "porn-parody" look of it, was. Jet ended up being the best part of this adaptation

[@jonnysac77]

@@maylabrown4584 no, he looked right in the role, the casting seemed fine, the red flag was when the characters started talking in the trailers and it sounded like Marvel dialogue

[@Loffeleif]

@@jonnysac77 I can never forgive modern Marvel and millennial script writers for ruining dialogue in entertainment lol

[@theycallmejojo6090]

Watching Vicious degrade from this intimidating killing machine to a Saturday morning cartoon character over the course of that season was the most painful part to me.

[@Loffeleif]

They're gonna copy Marvel's style up until and including terrible villains

[@leithaziz2716]

@@Loffeleif Well, unless you're the odd exception like Loki, Mysterio and Thanos, but I get your point. It's kinda funny that despite the saying "A good antagonist makes a good protagonist" many MCU heroes stand on their own while having very weak villians. It contradicts the saying.

[@majdjinn5042]

@@leithaziz2716 When you realize some actors had better ideas in mind like with Kang the actor wanted to be more serious. It feels on purpose.

[@MasterHobbes]

Moshi Moshi! ^_^

[@TheJadedJames]

Don’t forget that they also ruined Julia

[@noahgrubb5396]

19:04 Funny considering that Faye literally says "I won't carry that weight." in the last episode of Netflix Bebop. Its like the showrunner was waving a gigantic middle finger at the entire fanbase for all to see.

[@michaelhegwood9977]

Scott Pilgrim Vs The World is also proof you can adapt something a thousand times weirder so there really isn't a reason for this to suck so hard.

[@MrStath1986]

Arguably make it better, too. I always felt O'Malley kind-of fumbled the ball a little bit at the finish line when he had Gideon state that he had been messing with Scott's head; it kinda missed the point, to me, like Scott's problems and his refusal or inability to grow up are his fault... and the film had none of that.

[@LockMatch]

To be fair, you have to be as good as Edgar fucking Wright, and that's a high mark

[@li-limandragon9287]

People assume live action adaptations of anime or manga can’t work, they can Battle Royale is a several decades old example of that. You just have talent and respect for what the original creator was trying to get across.

[@THB192]

I didn't necessarily like the way the movie adapted the comic, to be honest. I mean, Scott is *awful*. But in the comics, he's very likeable. I didn't find Michael Cera's portrayal of the character nearly as likeable. My more serious frustration with the movie is that it doesn't do enough to hammer home that Scott is terrible. You can walk out of that movie and feel like the intended message was that Scott was a great guy who did the awesome hero stuff. Rather than, y'know, ultimately well-meaning but at least kind of awful, just like Ramona.

[@Neogears1312]

Lot's of iconic parts of history are adaptations, tim burton had to make a movie about a billionaire who dressed up like like a bat and had a collection of bat themed tools to fight a clown. The general public seemed to ignore the cartoon goofiness of comic star batman taking to the silver screen. The Godfather was literally just adapting a majority of the book to the film, the author had no screenplay experience and after it did well he bought a book to learn how. It told him to study the book he already wrote because it was so clearly a perfect screenplay. It's VERY EASY to adapt something....UNFATHOMABLY EASY... we're just told time and time again that the director wasn't lazy, unfaitful, and totally wasn't just making up his own thing instead, no its just toooooo harrrrd to make it faithful because of how weird an different it is. Ignore everything thats totally done it with complete ease.

[@OldemarFIN]

Woolie said he's always been bad with cringe, but this raw reaction is still a sight to behold

[@Avossk]

36:46 is the moment you've all been looking for

[@atomic4939]

Max described it as the DmC: Devil May Cry of anime adaptions, which seems pretty apt.

[@leithaziz2716]

I feel like DmC is a different beast alltogether. It starts out insulting fans of the original DMC series ("Not in a million years..."), then backtracks at the end, give us the Dante Vs Vergil fight (but nowhere near as compelling as in 3) and then just makes Dante look like his DMC counterpart. So it ends up making the team look like hypocrites. At least with this show, it SEEMS like the creators have a lot of respect for the original, like they're working on a much more personal/passionate product.

[@GIZMONDO987]

Yeah that's kinda the thing with a lot of these sorts of adaptions (or reboots in the case of games like DMC:Devil May Cry or that Castlevania GOW rip-off) honestly: The end product mightn't be necessarily bad/could actually be good.... if they weren't adaptions/reboots. Because then even with the best faith look at it, it is still an adaption/direct interpretation (even if a bad interpretation) of The Thing, and its kinda hard Not to compare it to what its aping a lot of stuff from, even if In Name Only. Whereas if it was something Inspired by Cowboy Bebop or what-have-you, you could go "Well it wears its inspirations on its sleeve", but otherwise could take it as its own thing. This isn't a jab at people unhappy with the adaption btw: if anything it's a jab at the production companies deciding on this stuff (especially when some of the live-action adaptions Japan does frankly aren't that great either, and they're a lot closer to the source material). Just make something "inspired by" The Thing instead of something they know right well isn't going to be viewed well by dint of it being an adaption.

[@leithaziz2716]

@@GIZMONDO987 I'd say the gameplay of DmC (the version with lock-on specifically) stand on its own, but most of its cast are unlikeable. Shame really considering how fun and well-developed DMC's Dante is. He's one of my favorite protagonists. El Donte on the other hand comes off as very try-hard and unlikeable for most of the game.

[@atomic4939]

@@leithaziz2716 Yea for sure, just the general feeling of, "Why would I watch this mediocre version when the masterpiece is right there?".

[@DarkTree]

it feels like DmC at least attempted to do some actually fairly original & interesting concepts, just dropped the ball on it execution-wise. the only thing i think they have in common is that they both missed what people really liked about the originals that made them stick; cowboy bebop live action just feels like they attempted to do the original but better but, did not do a very good job

[@domw1729]

You can in fact see the moment Woolie dies inside

[@CaptainTitforce]

God damnit, stop reminding me of Face-off!

[@Revan058]

Man, we get a lot of these with him. Remember that time we saw his soul leaving his body in real time when Titanfall 3 got canceled?

[@yeetyateyote5570]

Revan058 wait titanfall 3 was going to exist? Damn… like- god dude, ugh that sucks that it was cancelled

[@Revan058]

@@yeetyateyote5570..._you didn't know_? Oh god. Yeah, and we saw Woolie's soul fall out as it was killed live, uh. Hold on.

[@Revan058]

@@yeetyateyote5570 Here, here's the clip. kzbin.info/www/bejne/foWslK2ao6yIrqs Exalt in his suffering.

[@gdhuertas07]

I'd like to echo Pat's shout-out to both John Cho and Mustafa Shakir as Spike and Jet. They have a breezy rapport that captures the essential charm that their relationship had in the anime. It's just a shame about everything else.

[@disk3001]

They had chemistry with each other sure, but I don't think either of them captured what the OG's where going for(for what I've seen) Maybe it's because I still can't get over the fact that they made JET BLACK into a black man... (and that god damn blackmail scene, GOD I turned that shit off immediately)

[@JoelBurger]

They're still way too close in age (and act like it here), when the whole idea behind Jet in the original is that he's the frustrated parent of the crew trying to wrangle his idiot children.

[@gdhuertas07]

@@disk3001 Like I said, I had problems with everything else. That “blackmail” scene was where I drew the line in the fucking sand and said, “I’m out.” Faye’s characterization already put the series on some very thin ice, but that was the final straw.

[@gdhuertas07]

@@JoelBurger Since it's an adaptation, I don't mind them trying something different. Here, it feels more like Jet is the older responsible brother trying to get his rambunctious sibling to behave. It still captures the essentials of their antagonistic but caring relationship, and is the one aspect of the series that works for me.

[@HumanoidCableDreads]

They were both far too quippy. Cowboy Bebop is a film noir influenced space opera tragedy, not an MCU goofy fun action show.

[@Akabane101]

The wig on vicious is like when they threw the mop onto Dante's head in "DmC: Devil May Cry".

[@mewbat7951]

Jet: spike you gonna carry that weight? Spike: no

[@nicolaschaves7758]

i tought that the title for this was gonna be "I Refuse To Carry That L".

[@GIZMONDO987]

No that was the Death Note fans's reaction when the netflix version came out

[@kakoytazabar]

Every moment like this is a temporary damage on Woolie's soul. I hope nothing cashes it in.

[@AnarchicArachnid]

+Stress 50

[@andrei11dr]

*DOKAPON INTENSIFIES*

[@gameb9oy]

I don’t think Paige counts to the normie perspective sadly. Paige both likes and respects animation, and even if she hasn’t watched bebop, she definitely has watched anime and probably has seen clips of bebop in some form. I know my dad seems to be enjoying the live action show, and when I pushed him to watch the original he said “I don’t like animation”. That’s more likely the crowd that will enjoy the show for better or worse

[@PALACIO254]

I don't understand how people don't like animation but to each their own

[@onimaxblade8988]

@@PALACIO254 One person I met described that they weren't as into it cause it's "Not real". They... Also like. They clearly expressed respect for animation... But... They also said "it takes less talent to animate than to act" or something like that, which practically blew me off my seat.

[@sdbzfan1]

@@onimaxblade8988 I'm sorry but that person can go fuck themself, not because they don't like animation, but claiming it takes "less Talent" to animate, because drawing and animation are not the same skill set, like they better be the best damn artist I've ever seen to make a bold claim like that, I'm used to my parents generation not caring for animation as a form of entertainment but devolving the whole skill set as easier than acting is ridiculous to me

[@vampuricknight1]

@@PALACIO254 It's typically the Boomer and Gen X crowd, a lot of them grew up with cartoons that were only there for comedic purposes and was not the type of media one consumed for a deep/rich narrative that you might find in a book or movie. Their generations often picked on anyone who was into comics, cartoons, and tech as geeks/nerds. In essence these generations were by and large warped against consuming particular types of media in order to fit into their generation or be "cool". They also grew up in eras when the cost to animate shows/media was often incredibly expensive and thus rarer, and at the height of live action teen/young adult dramas, and the rise of "reality" tv.

[@neloverg3774]

@@vampuricknight1 you're thinking about it too hard, there's a disconnect between something being animated and something being live acted. That's all there is too it. It's just preference of consumption

[@mgskomododragon10]

Elmo phasing into reality on 11:03 made me laugh for no reason

[@BombsAh0y]

I need a gif of Woolie reacting to the Ed scene. RIGHT. NOW.

[@Rawyr]

Woolie combining "sucker punch" and "gut punch" to make "gutter punch" is an excellent combination jutsu I will be using now. Like, when it's cringe it must be a gutter punch

[@carlosfred8673]

The beginning of Woolie's trauma starts here: 35:17

[@lbcyber]

Woolie suffers devastating psychic damage at 36:42

[@Triad_Orion]

I remember watching this live, and the moment Woolie started taking stress damage upon seeing Ed, I knew *this* would be the meme of the week, and if not a new classic reaction image for his community. Pat's smile and double point only just sold it further.

[@goldlight1322]

Imagine a world opposite our current one, where instead of making bad adaptations of something that was already good, we could try making good adaptations of something that was bad.

[@conked944]

That world probably achieved global peace.

[@just_matt214]

That's what Kubrick was onto.

[@harold926]

but that means taking a risk as the financial investors and we can't take a risk creating awesome art. nope we gotta take the safe route and do the same generic shit or butcher other quality IP's

[@anenemystand5582]

That will not happen with our current economic system. Why would you remake something people didn't like with a small audience when you could bank on the nostalgia of a widely beloved story that people will watch out of duty if nothing else.

[@zennaphobia]

And David Cage begins to cackle just off screen

[@FlameOfUdun96]

After hearing what they did with the Gren subplot…yeah I don’t know about this one, chief lol

[@CrocvsGator]

I did not hear about the Gren subplot, I watched the original anime, what did they change? Edit: I know they changed Gren's backstory I mean to make them nonbinary instead of chemically changed against their will, but what was the outcome?

[@Loffeleif]

I can easily imagine some Netflix exec explaining how "receiving hormone changing drugs while imprisoned is something Ben Shapiro might talk about, so we can't do that"

[@MisterTTG]

They basically just didnt do Gren's subplot: theres an unrelated non-binary character who shares Gren's name

[@CrocvsGator]

@@MisterTTG so wait, Netflix didn't want Faye to have her classic outfit because it would be demeaning to women, and Netflix also changes Gren to be non binary to avoid a controversy, but now Gren dresses in a corset and doesn't do anything despite dressing in heavy clothes in the original and having a full character arc? I'm not non-binary, but I feel like changing a character to be non binary only to be a sexy background character isn't progress.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@CrocvsGator "sexy" is a word you shouldn't use to describe Netflix Gren.

[@tychoazrephet3794]

I like to imagine Pat was keeping the clip of Ed in his back pocket, just waiting to spring it on Woolie to counter his usual “eh, I’ll wait and see it for myself” fence sitting BS.

[@Revan058]

Waiting to actually see the thing and not just going 'oh, it's bad' because other people don't like it is a good trait, actually. It wasn't like he's been blindly optimistic about this shit either, he's pointed out a lot of things that gave him pause before. But waiting to see the whole of the thing before rendering judgment? That's not fence sitting, it's basic common sense.

[@ConstipatedLlama]

"fence sitting is when you don't blindly follow the opinion of others"

[@BIGBLUBLUR]

@@ConstipatedLlama And the LESS blindly you follow people, the more fence sitting it is!

[@jeangreffsbp]

@@Revan058 common sense is seeing this shit show coming from a mile away and not touching it with a 10 feet stick because theres no way this garbage was ever going to be good

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@jeangreffsbp It could've been decent

[@crybirb]

A kid actor with ADHD with the freedom to improvise their lines would be kinda a good ED tbh. Full of energy without being cringy.

[@Horatio787]

It'd be like that scene in Real Steel where the kid is going crazy on the ring microphone.

[@JTSents89]

The headphones discussion immediately reminds me of the spare episode in the Trigun manga. Vash approaches a bar being held up by criminals while grooving in headphones and chewing bubblegum. He ignores all warning shots and enters the bar and is immediately taken hostage. However, he keeps things from escalating inside, even using the bubblegum to keep a gun from going off.

[@thelaughingrouge]

This weeks show was a banger from beginning to end. Probably top five for the whole year.

[@RebDT]

It was a good week for podcastin'.

[@harmanahmad601]

It was a banger from beginning to ed

[@thelaughingrouge]

@@harmanahmad601 BOOOOOOOOOO! (Kidding)

[@otooandoh9556]

the freaking SAN-D Kojima bit had me dying when I was listening to it at work. That's one of my favorite podcaset bits ever!

[@tylermckenna2465]

Woolie has just been curb stomped by this show

[@li-limandragon9287]

To be fair that clip took the life out of me too. I will watch the show but I’m glad I didn’t go in blind for that bit.

[@TechnoTeddyz]

I can't wait for woolie's take on the blackmail line

[@Loffeleif]

The fact that some American twit at Netflix went "Man, we need to RIGHT THE WRONGS OF THE ANIME" and then proceeded to absolutely ruin Cowboy Bebop with hubris is such brilliant karma.

[@1337w334b00]

Another day, another western filmmaker who thinks they're elevating anime properties by making them into low-budget live action schlock.

[@bryanadkins6776]

IIRC, wasn't that one of the actors?

[@leithaziz2716]

With how the west views japanese animation, they will probably always sense a feel of superiority and/or want to "fix" certain anime or manga. Sometimes it does come from a genuine respect and passion for the source material, but the problem is that a lot of these products are from a very different culture, so "westernising" them doesn't always work out.

[@Loffeleif]

@@leithaziz2716 I think there's a problem with America in particular genuinely not understanding that the outside world doesn't look or work like the US. So when someone like Netflix decides to adapt a foreign IP, they tend to americanize the shit out of it, not picking up that these changes are really quite offensive and unnecessary. It's like a cultural imperialism where everything cool and unique has to be swallowed up and turned into TV junk food

[@leithaziz2716]

@@Loffeleif Well, as an Europian/Middle Eastern I get what you mean. All my parents watch besides the news are soap operas. The west dislikes melodrama, but all we watched in the Middle East are dramas and serious shows. Maybe that's why I enjoy Anime easily. The dialouge is pretty different, but I can read what they're trying to go for instead of thinking that it's prettty weird from our perspective. I think the one example where I've felt the most odd man out is when I realise there's a good amount of people who see something like Guilty Gear or JoJo and dislike it because they think it's too bonkers. That aspect never personally bothered me because to me it's all fiction and I found a lot of nuance in both series. There are some pretty confusing names and concepts from both series (King Crimson, D4C, The Backyard, That Man), but I usually enjoy what they bring to the table and see how they're explored. I've seen a comment once tell another guy that he's a moron for liking the former's plot. That response made me go "wtf is wrong with people?". Sorry if it seemed like I was ranting. I just found it an interesting observation with my background.

[@FrostyFin]

Come on Netflix, just end my dread and do the live-action Evangelion already. Just yank the bandaid already.

[@Horatio787]

Where they cast early 20s actors and completely miss that critique of high school anime.

[@li-limandragon9287]

We need see that hospital scene in live action.

[@MisterVeeg]

who could have possibly foreseen this other than basically the entirety of the internet

[@Birmanncat]

The Pain! The PAAAAIN!

[@Comkill117]

(Shoots a bunch of Bees at you)

[@li-limandragon9287]

Nick Cage would be a wonderful Vicious.

[@The7thDraconian]

Woolie's reaction to Live Action Ed brought to mind a famous quote, "Nothing heals emotional damage like spreading it."

[@nathanieltodd5767]

Honestly I think the first misstep was adapting the plot of the show at all, instead of just going 'here's some more adventures of the bebop crew'. Like you're not going to tell the show's story better than it did, and any showwriter worth the title should be able to come up with plenty of premises for that cast of characters.

[@nojusticenetwork9309]

Can we all as adults finally agree that quality animated properties such as Cowboy Bebop, Avatar, etc. DOES NOT need a live action adaptation? Animation is a perfectly acceptable medium that does not need the validation of live action to prove that the content is good.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Sure but there's plenty of media that could use 2D animated adaptations, Resident Evil could seriously use a good anime series after so much botched live action attempts. Even if was Western anime style like Castlevania. And I don't think live action adaptations of animation are impossible. With Cowboy Bebop and Avatar specifically the problem they were made by people with no or little respect/understanding of the source and who also wanted to implant their ego and ideas upon the shows. Battle Royale, Alita and the good Marvel and DC films show can adapt these kind of media into live action, it's just super hard and a lot of the time not necessary at all.

[@jjj7790]

@@li-limandragon9287 The problem is that making these 2D animations into something realistic that still looks good requires MASSIVE amounts of money in VFX that can only be justified in a big moneymaking venture (like a blockbuster film), and a anime TV show is not going to get that kind of money without some big guns behind it, like Disney, or James Cameron or the Wachowskis.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@jjj7790 I feel like people would put money behind a RE 2D anime, it's one of the best selling video games franchises on the planet. If Castlevania can get one than so can RE.

[@nananamamana3591]

35:16 _Pat's eyes glance over to his friend and co-host. How long have they known each other? How many years have they spent together? Is there a man on earth who knows him better? Does he know any man on earth better? If they would another thousand years would he, could they, learn anything new about each other?_ "Have you seen the clip of Ed?" he asks, halting Woolie's tirade in its tracks. Confusion comes with the dawn of realization. "Of what?" "Of Ed." "No! I havent." "It's uhh..." "So that's a thing?" "It's the stinger, so you get excited for the second season..." Woolie's eyes find interest in the inside of his skull, rolled to find hope in his thoughts. The tone in Patrick's voice betrays the dubious, mischievously passive-aggressive glee that's become a telltale sign of his particular brand of sarcasm... "Because the way they framed the Tank intro..." Woolie continues. He understands Pat's plan before he says it, the dread lingers in the air, and the hope of drowning the destined suggestion with noise slowly leaves him, as Patrick speaks. "You know what Woolie, just take, just take two seconds and watch-and watch this crap." _And so he did..._

[@Arcademan09]

I refuse to believe people watched this series, got to Ed then go "yeah this is good" like what the hell are these people smoking

[@tiagomain1409]

36:30 you’re welcome

[@TestAcct46]

thank ye

[@fillosof66689]

He took some serious damage.

[@iller3]

is THIS the Depths? _( Bc Woolz lookin' kinda cursed all a sudden )_

[@bangormc3rd562]

The thing that gets me is: even if the live-action remake was GOOD... what would be the point? If something was good as animation, it doesn't NEED to be made live-action. I'm sick of the media industry constantly acting like animation is less real or valid than film. It's as much bullshit as if art galleries went, "Yeah, it's good for an oil painting, but it needs to be redone as sculpture if you want anyone to take it seriously."

[@Relugus]

It takes me back to what the late Barry Norman (a UK film critic) said about remakes. He suggested Hollywood go back to movies that didn't work or had serious flaws and remake those instead. There are so many things that could be remade into much improved products, instead of trying to remake stuff that was already perfected first time.

[@SupremeUnit]

I'd watch the shit out of an anime adaptation of The Sopranos with the tone and direction of a Kitano yakuza flick

[@Greed70]

Its the little things that tell you the creators didn't care, like making Pierrot Le Fou afraid of dogs instead of cats. They wanted to make it their own.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Reminds me of the directors Silent Hill and Welcome of Raccoon City inserting their own bullshit in the existing lore. Unless it’s a legitimately interesting change like with Thanos, just stop. Your own ego should not impact the story your adapting.

[@swivelshivel6576]

I looked up “live action Ed” on KZbin and the thumbnail is enough for me to understand what went wrong

[@Risax18]

Man, last year May we had that special performance of the Real Folk Blues with a lot of talented musicians and voice actors putting their passion into the song and reminding me why I loved the show. Then this live-action show comes out and everything I've seen and heard of it...just makes me sad. I was skeptical about watching it in the first place because animated stuff rarely translates well to live-action, but that Ed clip certainly killed what little interest I had completely...

[@kharyrobertson3579]

Woolie looks 1000 time better today than he does in these old videos. What a transformation.

[@JoseRS1186]

Holy Shit, right?! I just saw him and Eyepatch's new podcast episode. In just 2 years too. Good for him.

[@HarrisBoe]

CANT WAIT FOR AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER!

[@Ya_Mosura]

The Vicious parts were the hardest to sit through, I never cared that much about him in the original and now there's like 1000 times more of him.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Ikr I find Vicious so uninteresting and now there’s heaps more of him.

[@KaregoAt]

Vicious wasn't even meant to be a real developed character in the original, he's just a ghost from Spike's past. It's not his story.

[@natzo89]

Ah, the official clip!

[@stevencates2069]

I keep asking myself about this live action remake, "who is this for?".

[@explodingshroom]

36:29 the extreme home makeover family when I reveal Ive eaten their house

[@AngryPainting]

Speed Racer and Alita FTW 🙌🏽

[@li-limandragon9287]

You’ll still fine weeb puritans who say they suck. I think they’re the best efforts from the west. It’s not like the majority of Japanese live action adaptations are any better, Bleach, FMA and Attack on Titan are all pretty dumb.

[@powerfist1340]

It's even worse. Julias alive, both Vicious and Spike know she's alive, she's actually still with Vicious, and she's actually the final bad guy. Why then, you might ask, is Spike on the run? how did the relationship even happen? lol, it just did, I guess.

[@evanbradley6169]

Spoilers: It happened because they were all super best friends and used to hang out at the same bar, which is also where Gren works; even though that completely annihilates Gren's entire role in the story as the reason why spike knew Julia was still alive.

[@li-limandragon9287]

Julia and Vicious worked so much better when we knew little to nothing about them. Julia in the flashbacks does look sus in her leather outfit, but her relationship with Spike is genuine even if it’s an affair. I think her ambiguity makes her interesting, defaulting her to villain is a big mistake.

[@CaptainTitforce]

Gotta say I feel so bad for Ed's actor. I really hope that people won't destroy such a young person on the internet. It feels like the actor just had an nearly impossible job to do... And the character just doesn't translate to live action.

[@CrocvsGator]

Are they a kid or an adult? It's apparently Eden Perkin's first role, but I can't find their age. Like Pat is saying they're an adult. But also, I actually have a condition that I've been tested for, that basically means I can't determine people's ages. But yeah, I feel bad about criticizing a child actor for their first role, but if it's an adult actors first role I don't feel as bad, if that makes sense.

[@CaptainTitforce]

@@CrocvsGator I'm pretty sure Perkins is like 10-13. Idk where Pat got the adult thing.

[@CrocvsGator]

@@CaptainTitforce Thanks, as I said elsewhere, I was worried that with the recent trend of live action adaptation shows like Riverdale (and Powerpuff CW if that didn't get canned) to have characters who were children in their original medium, but age them up and have them develop adult interests. I also feel like I know what Eden Perkins is trying to go for. I saw a clip on the news about children who were kept chained in their house in isolation by their parents, until one day they escaped. When one of the girls later gave an interview years later I thought she had accent, then I realized she basically never grew up having real conversations so her communication was stunted. And since Ed was basically forgotten about by her father, I feel Perkins is trying to go for a character who never communicated in person.

[@godfreyhowatchin]

@@CrocvsGator theyre doing a stereotypical offensive "retarded" voice. its literally the same voice rosie o'donnel did in "riding the bus with my sister" or like, pee wee herman. its not good and their acting coach should be fired

[@jeangreffsbp]

@@CaptainTitforce because a 13 yr old is Pats size, so its easy for him to confuse it

[@SamTheMightyMan]

when cosplayers can do a better red wig hair look than 5 digit salary hair dresser at Netflix who put a Dr. Seuss red wig on a kid and demanded a paycheck.

[@masterxl97]

Woolie entire reaction to that clip is like when a guy gets lightly punched in the nuts and it hurts for way longer than you think it would.

[@patrickr.1433]

I watched the whole thing and this clip is cathartic

[@pathfindersavant3988]

"We should give the rights of live-action anime shows to anime creators." Supernatural

[@li-limandragon9287]

My god could you imagine how much better Lost would be as an anime?

[@albedopiazzolla5129]

That thumbnail is glorious. Great work!

[@danherondraws]

that's such a perfect thumbnail, Pat's and Woolie's faces really says it all XD

[@dieselpunk4117]

Pain Threshold: Challenging - **Failed** 36:44

[@Wanna_Be_Desu]

Glad to see there are still directors out there who love and respect the work of Uwe Boll and Paul Anderson and continue creating insulting adaptation for beloved media.

[@charleswisconsin9196]

i still say Uwe Boll is overhated. as a director. his movies are mediocre at worst and i will die on that hill. as a person though, he might even be underhated. awful human being.

[@jrpgtorkelson2086]

I sincerely hope more people watch this reaction than the actual series.

[@raisamike3]

Boy I was really waiting for this one

[@Comkill117]

27:59 Not an anime but a Sentai series, it worked for Marvel with Spider-Man in the 70s.

[@TrojanGamer10]

37:01 Woolie's face's transition is perfect!

[@leithaziz2716]

This is an interesting podcast for someone who's not seen either shows. Sorry to hear it didn't live up to the standards of the OG for those who watched it.

[@Neogears1312]

saying it didn't live up to the standards is sorta like saying its a bit pf a jump in pain going from stubbing your toe to getting run over by a train. the original legitimately set the standard or a serious adult animated series. This is literally offensive to anyone who just knows a little like what they did to the character Gren.

[@RhysClark97]

33:35 i love that woolie says comics and then struggle's with like 90% of the superhero adaptations which are the best examples.

[@justletmelistthese]

I saw the clip. I feel vindicated.

[@xxcornerismxx]

Link?

[@effluviah7544]

this bebop adaptation is like feeling a thousand feet kick a thousand asses all at once, but all of the asses belong to all of us and none of us deserved the ass kicking. it is a collective pain, an infinite and all-encompassing shock which is less striking to the heart when compared to the subsequent disappointment that ripples through our souls beneath our skin, taking our breath away and leaving only the expectation of words that can no longer be spoken, as possibility and opportunity as concepts have been taken once this reality dared to confirm for us in all of it's harsh and unrelenting fury that another beloved thing has been covered in this veneer of excitement, only to then be left in silent rain to tarnish, like silverware left abandoned in an old home after the owner passed away. all of our asses and our chests ache with both the seasoned disdain of those who have been let down countless times before, and the resentment of knowing so many and so much went into this adaptation, so wildly misguided as to have been led astray from God. a fond memory brought forth like a painting set up for restoration, only to be re-painted in the wrong colours, with brush strokes left behind in the varnish, leaving no beauty and only the stench of turpentine. nostalgia is the greatest blade against the spirit of passion: one twitch, one incorrect move, and it cuts to the quick-- bleeding aching hearts dry.

[@kildaver]

36:43 I had my teeth scaled a few years ago; the face Woolie made looked like he was in even more pain than I was then.

[@JesseAnderson]

This is definitely one of those podcast bits with required viewing. That Ed clip is unbelievably terrible

[@NoPantsBaby]

Woolie's virgin eyes getting despoiled by devious Pat at 36:29

[@kodymcbride6901]

So I gave the show a chance for a few episodes, it was actually kinda.... okay? But then Ed appeared, and I went Hollow nigh immediately. See you never space cowgirl, no where, no day.

[@lemonnomel9416]

Honestly if it were its own property it would just be a mediocre show. You can enjoy it as mindless entertainment but knowing that there’s a better version in existence kind of defeats the purpose for its existence.

[@kodymcbride6901]

@@lemonnomel9416 The worst thing to me is that they have some genuinely good bits in the show, they just immediately dunk on them with pointless changes. Like c'mon, they really changed the whole Julia thing for a pointless cliffhanger?

[@KeroKaminaX]

the "ex wife and kid" thing is alot more than just a throwaway line, it's sort of a running subplot for him, he's basically Barret in netflix bebop. and it's surprisingly one of the only GOOD changes they made in this trashfire

[@M7S4I5L8V2A]

I fucking knew he was literally just Barret when they made him black. I like Barret but I like Jet as well so I don't think it's so good they would replace him.

[@stevenluoma1268]

Having a kid and being a bounty hunter at the same time doesn't make sense.

[@KeroKaminaX]

@@stevenluoma1268 both shows went into how he was originally on the force until certain circumstances caused him to become a bounty hunter. the logic for bebop was likely he used to be a family man and since he still wants to support said family even though his wife divorced him & he still wants to do some good, he went with being a cowboy.

[@stevenluoma1268]

@@KeroKaminaX k Go work at mcdonalds tho so you dont die and provide 0 income.

[@KeroKaminaX]

@@stevenluoma1268 never said what he's doing in the netflix version was the smartest choic, also he's not providing for his family, that's what the new husband is doing, he's just basically visiting his daughter on the weekends and trying to buy her a birthday gift

[@GodReggie]

I come back to this every other week, why hasn't Woolies reaction been ripped and placed over other disasters yet? You could put this over the footage of the Hinderburg going down and it would fit

[@Longlius]

On the topic of live action American shows adapted by Japanese animation studios, Supernatural actually got a short adaptation by Studio Madhouse. It actually suffers the same problems that a lot of the live-action anime adaptation suffer but in reverse - actors don't have the right weight, facial expressions are just wrong, and the tension from fight scenes is off (animated characters don't show injury with the same depth that live action ones do). I'd say trying to do these cross-media adaptations is just a bad idea in general.

[@BareBandSubscription]

This man actually bit his fist, he was so stressed.

[@StinkTerios]

Woolie straight-up did an oni face

[@malcolmeharveste9028]

36:46 the moment when someone's soul gets crushed.

[@toastydanny9136]

Woolie is experiencing the new sadness.

[@Relugus]

He's gonna carry that weight.

[@xooiid]

36:40 That man was physically assaulted by the Ed Reveal.

[@aniki6575]

If they managed to fuck up cowboy bebop this bad, a show which relatively fits better in live action than your average anime, I can't wait to see how they colossally fuck up One Piece and Avatar.

[@Tsunamidusher]

"Ed. is not. the Joker."

[@sir_stride]

Speed racer to anime fans: "you couldn't live with that failure of a adaptation, and where did that bring you. Right back here to me"

[@li-limandragon9287]

Alita: I am pretty decent too.

[@TheMrrccava]

The thumbnail literally says it all

[@jeremiah5511]

As someone who just so happened to start watching the anime a week before this live action came out, I have to say that I turned on the live action, watched that opening heist scene, and immediately got bored and went back to finish the anime

[@gloriouspacenoid]

VTuber AI Ed is actually an amazing idea, realistically for a live action adaptation.