Moses and the Green Man in the Qur'an | A Brief Reflection on Al-Khidr

This is a brief reflection on the mysterious and wise figure of Al-Khidr from Islamic tradition. If you enjoyed this video please remember to like this video and subscribe to the channel!

[@hossein_taheri]

Dr. Reynolds, thanks for running this awesome channel. I can't wait to watch new episodes every week. I would really love to see interviews with scholars from the German school of Quranic studies (Inarah/Saarbrucken) or French speaking scholars like Professor Dye and Amirmoezi. I understand it could be a logistical challenge, but I am sure many of your audience will love that to happen. Thanks again for your wonderful scholarship and your great channel.

[@amel1832]

Thank you for this informative short video! It would be nice with more of those for the more wider public too

[@bloodnf]

I think that you completely missed the whole point of the story. Did you look at any of the tafsir's of this Surah from Muslim sources to see how Muslims understand this story? Khidr in this story is acting as the agent of God. He is teaching Moses that what may look like misfortune, such as the fisherman's boat sinking may actually be a blessing in disguise. The death of a child causes grief, but we don't know whether what we love may turn out to be bad for us. The child died not so that he would not grow up to be an unbeliever. If the child had lived he would have been an evil person doing evil deeds. God replaced an evil person with a son that would be good to his parents, to society and a believer. Khidr does what he does, not out of his own volition, but by the command of God. In this way God instructs Moses that all knowledge belongs to God and even though Moses is the prophet of God he is not all knowing. And the story also instructs Muslims that we have to be patient and understand that everything is from God, both fortune and misfortune, and we don't know what will be better for us in the future.

[@arusirham3761]

The story is just a tale made by a Byzantine monk. About theodicy (how God's knowledge is superior to that of men's although it seems illicit and nonsensical at first or to put it simply: Allah knows best). That is "the whole point of the story".

[@bloodnf]

@@arusirham3761 What Byzantine monk? And yes it is in summary a lesson in how man's knowledge is incomplete and God knows better than we do.

[@arusirham3761]

@@bloodnf I see. You didn't watch the whole video.

[@bloodnf]

@@arusirham3761 I watched the whole video. That's why I was disappointed in it. Completely missed what was important. Is there some point you are trying to make?

[@arusirham3761]

@@bloodnf Answering your question. The byzantine monk is in the video. His name is John Moschus.

[@conjugatemethod]

A more accurate translation would be "The Green" or even "the Verdant" stretching this a little it might be rendered the "the Green one"; rather than "the Green Man"

[@bravecoldwater9061]

Al Khidr is identical to the Green Man of Folklore. It's not a reach, Islam is way more connected to Nature than you think.

[@larryputra3692]

the lizard man

[@davidzack8735]

@@bravecoldwater9061 Islam is certainly close to ancient superstitions of all kinds. Jinns and evil spirits and witchcraft and sorcery and shamanism. Muhammad's followers would collect his hair and his spittle and his ablution water to use and sell as medicine. They even drank his urine. He even used to spit on wounds and urinate on children to 'cure' them. 😁

[@conjugatemethod]

'The Verdant' captures the connectedness to nature@@bravecoldwater9061

[@barasofianebadis615]

The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, tells us in this hadith that Al-Khidr "green one" was given this name. Because he sat on dry land that had no plants, and it was green behind him. Because of the green grass that grew therein, and the greens were mentioned in the Holy Qur’an in the story of Moses in Surah Al-Kahf, and the scholars differed as to whether he was a prophet or a righteous guardian, but the correct view is that he is a prophet.

[@PurePeacePower]

Just because the Green One had more knowledge than Moses doesn't mean he must be a prophet. Its more likely to be an angel appearing in the form of a man to impart these lessons. That's why angels are also sometimes refered to as Rasuls which means messengers. But they are never refered to as Nabis which means prophet.

[@mralchemist3976]

He called nabi khidr

[@Couragethecowardlydog509]

that's beside the point , Killing a kid because he would grow up to be an "unbeliever" it's not an angelic thing to do , and is against the idea that humans have free will , why couldn't the "angel" just show the kid a miracle so that he doesn't grow up to be an unbeliever or perhaps perform the heart cleansing surgery Jibreel performed on Muhammad rather than ripping his head off his shoulders, poor lad and his parents , anyways luckily these are fables not historical events

[@mralchemist3976]

@@Couragethecowardlydog509 what is ur point....so u want him to go to hell instead bgo to heaven

[@Couragethecowardlydog509]

@@mralchemist3976 If you are a grown man , think about what you are saying for a second .... don't let religion make you stupid ......a supposed wise man commits murder on a child and you are saying it is ok because the kid goes to heaven how ridiculous is that 😒

[@mralchemist3976]

@@Couragethecowardlydog509 so are u gonna killed adolf hitler while he still a kid or killed him and safe 6 millions jews...... If he live he gonna go to hell due to what he did massacred the jewsih if he die he gonna go to heaven... Now pick

[@dogukan7406]

this was an awesome short video! Very intriguing ans thought provoking little story

[@michael654]

Great video. Just found this channel!

[@sasa_sasa_sasa230]

@Exploring the Quran and the Bible Ser, do you have links of books or Academic work?

[@T_K_R_G]

Also Sunni Sufis use this story often to establish the importance of a spiritual guide (Murshid) who's aided by divine inspiration.

[@xaviertr6240]

heretics

[@kamilkarnale6010]

Great video!

[@ariefsheik1716]

Very informative I enjoyed watching

[@Sungaisurgawi1976]

Dear Gabriel. Which page in Spritual Meadow which mention the story about monk and angel. I can't find it in the book

[@infinitelyimprobablem2078]

Very interesting and impressive!

[@ahmedshah6360]

beautiful and well-balanced. Scholarship excellence!

[@alexandermccain7214]

It's important to recognize that the interpretation and translation of the Quran is not confined to Muslims only. It's a scholarly endeavor that involves diverse perspectives and expertise. The Quran's message is for all humanity, and its understanding can benefit from insights and interpretations from various sources. Gabriel's approach in disseminating information and referencing it to other stories contributes to a broader understanding of the Quran.

[@toomanymarys7355]

Al-Kidr's name has an interesting link with Glaucus, the Greek marine god. The Moses and fish story is clearly taken from Alexander the Great's resurrecting fish story, and in later versions, there is an addition in which the cook acquires and association with Glaucus. Al-Khidr was also said to be an associate of Dhul Qarnayn. Of course, the legend of al-Khidr comes from an Ethiopian monk legend collected in writing in Byzantium around 610 AD. But the name seems to have come through from thr Alexander legends.

[@wasifjalal6965]

Thanks professor Reynolds, love and peace from Lahore

[@redpits]

The wise man could be Melchizedek. Also the name of this wise man doesn't necessarily translate to the Green Man. Great channel. I know of a numerical anomaly in the Qur'an that is guaranteed to blow your mind. I would love to share it with you.

[@Rashida961]

Please share

[@redpits]

The Quran comes with built in Checksum, This is a method by which computer programmers use to verify that ALL data entered is 100% correct.

[@sasa_sasa_sasa230]

Can you share with me? I studied Jewish sources of quran and have lot if references.

[@sopowae2189]

Keep it up bro. Please expose the false so that the world can see the truth.

[@sasa_sasa_sasa230]

@@yosefpatel9386 that verse that there is no compulsion in religion is abrogated by sura 9 read Tefsers

[@bayreuth79]

Abdul Hakim Murad (Cambridge University) has suggested that the figure of al-Khidr (the Green Man) was brought back to England from the Muslims by the returning crusaders. I wonder how likely that is?

[@Tar-Elenion]

Brought back to England as what?

[@bayreuth79]

@@Tar-Elenion As an idea

[@Tar-Elenion]

@@bayreuth79 An idea for what?

[@bayreuth79]

@@Tar-Elenion The Green Man as we see him in cathedral architecture in England and elsewhere

[@Tar-Elenion]

@@bayreuth79 The Green Man motif long predates the crusades and even islam.

[@sayedahmad9209]

And this while ignoring all the tradition which provides context to the whole story

[@connectingminds187]

Dr. Reynolds, u r supposed to know that Kufr does not mean un-/disbelief, so can u please replace the new testamentical term by an adequate one? With friendly regards

[@Tar-Elenion]

If it does not mean un-/disbelief, why is it translated as such, repeatedly?

[@connectingminds187]

@@Tar-Elenion The first translations of the noble Quran into european languages were made my europeans, who had a biblical background, so they just took the term that Paul used in his letters in the New Testament against those who didn´t believe his stories, and set it for several expressions in the Quran. That was the easiest way for them. Long after that came finally muslims to translate the Quran and most of them (not all) adopted a big part of what was already there including the term unbeliever. Just look at that: الكفار الذين كفروا الكفرة الكافرون These r 4 different expressions all falsely translated as un-/disbelievers. Even if u can´t read arabic u see that these are 4 different expressions, so how can it be right to translate them with one single word?

[@IpsissimusPrime]

Great topic Gabriel! I came upon this story in my initial studies of the Qur’an and what’s struck me about it, as a raised Roman Catholic, was the message that one shouldn’t try to interpret the divine thru exoteric eyes only, since it’s rather hubristic to try to explain in human terms why God/Allah would do anything. The esoteric is very important. The emphasis on Mosaic Law is not the only way.

[@Marcel-alhind]

Are you sure you're even close to a Christian? Do you know what 2 Coranthians chapter 11 verse 4 says? Do you know what Galatians chapter 1 verse 8 says?

[@IpsissimusPrime]

@@Marcel-alhind Really? PLEASE! Spare me your indignation! To answer your question ... NO, I am absolutely not. That nonsense ended decades ago. I certainly don't believe that Christ is God or any of the other BS in "Christianity". I believe Jesus is a mythic construction. Have you EVER heard anything of Mimesis Criticism? The concept of the Christos is another matter but I won't waste my time and cast any of my "pearls before swine." I have been on my own path and I don't need any of your, or anyone else's proselytizing, in order to believe what I want and need. Shoo!!

[@kanjarize]

​@@Marcel-alhindwell what do they say?

[@kanjarize]

​@Marcel-alhind you indians come with so much aggression on the internet towards us muslims and you appear so obsessed with us but when we meet you face to face in the middle east or even very well protected environment of the western world you behave like just rats without any backbone. Where does that aggression go in such instances?

[@Stardust475]

Rabbis have understood there is a Sod level to the Tanakh.

[@almazchati4178]

No, it is not an esoteric meaning. It simply means, before you make a decision, gather as much information as possible. Because the more you know about an issue, a better decision one can make.

[@terryibrahim6534]

Thank you for sharing this video that I was interested to watch and listen to. In Islam we consider knowledge and understanding of religion as a guidance and mercy from Allah and so with the deepest respect a non-Muslim can only understand so much of the scriptures of the Quran. However, the historical parallel with the Christian/Greek accounts of Khidr/Khidr-like figure was something I was now aware of before. If I may contribute an opinion to statements made in this video: 1. The back story to Moses’ meeting with Khidr was that he asked Allah if there was anyone more knowledgable than him to which he was advised that there was and Moses was given a sign to know that this person was Khidr, but have more knowledge than Moses did not make Khidr a prophet by default because knowledge and the job of a prophet and messenger as Moses was are different things, having knowledge being aware of existing matters and being a prophet and messenger meaning receiving law from Allah to deliver to mankind, albeit the Jews at this stage of revelation; 2. Hadith of the highest authentication found in the famous 40 hadiths and I think maybe also mentioned in the Quran is that judgement is based on intentions, hence the righteousness of Khidr’s actions were based on his intentions of which Moses did not recognise and so not some exoteric or internal field of knowing but just intentions; 3. Shias may claim the story of Khidr to justify its Imamate but what the final messenger of Allah pbuh said is that what he pbuh leaves us with is the law and so a person with understanding of this is acting within the religion without the need for an Imam to tell them but there are scholars who have deeper knowledge that can be called upon to provide greater insight - Sunnis believe in having a leader and following them, it is perhaps debatable whether that leader exists presently. I look forward to watching your other videos and wander if one day you will question or view the Quran as divine revelation from Allah and as such the real truth that you might feel persuaded to accept it as such and then therefore compelled to proclaim Islam as your religion, but of course the Quran teaches that there is no compulsion in religion but also that what is true is clear and what is false is clear. Salam

[@mariamying6881]

Great story

[@barasofianebadis615]

The Prophet, may God bless him and grant him peace, tells us in this hadith that Al-Khidr "green one" was given this name. Because he sat on dry land that had no plants, and it was green behind him. Because of the green grass that grew therein, and the greens were mentioned in the Holy Qur’an in the story of Moses in Surah Al-Kahf, and the scholars differed as to whether he was a prophet or a righteous guardian, but the correct view is that he is a prophet.

[@joined201010261347]

So, I listened to both Apostate Aladdin’s (AA for short) video on this story, and now Gabriel Said Reynolds. Both are informative, but also a little frustrating. How can Muslims take a story like this seriously, either as factual (what the Quran seems to claim it is, considering Q18:13) or as a parable (and how do they know it is a parable)? In AA’s video I liked how he had managed to find so many contradictory (but very necessary) explanations. Yet another story in the Quran that is incomplete. Sometimes that concerns stories that people may have known already (hence only a few hints required). Is that the case here as well? Was this a popular, well-known story? AA failed to mention that this story seems to be based on earlier stories that went around. I also wasn’t impressed by some of his various arguments about how certain details of the story invalidate the Quran as divine, considering that believers have had a long time to come up with reasons why the problems are really not problems. Of course the more general argument that if you can easily think of ways that parts of the Quran can improved it can hardly be of divine origin, that argument still stands-and the sloppiness of this story is one more instance of that. Some of the commenters are amazed about the immorality of the facts in the story, others point out that it is indicative of our lack of free will-but again, I’m sure believers have found ways to argue those problems away (I’m curious about those arguments though). Is killing a child, young enough that it will still go to heaven (what is the source for that idea btw), illicit even when one has prophetic knowledge and knows that the child will become an unbeliever? Even God himself seems to wait: Q18:56: And who is more unjust than one who is reminded of the verses of his Lord but turns away from them and forgets what his hands have put forth? Indeed, We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And if you invite them to guidance - they will never be guided, then - ever. (57) And your Lord is the Forgiving, full of mercy. If He were to impose blame upon them for what they earned, He would have hastened for them the punishment. Rather, for them is an appointment from which they will never find an escape. (58) Some frustrations when listening notwithstanding, I’m grateful for both contributions. (crossposted)

[@arusirham3761]

Me too. I've watched both Aladdin's video and this video.

[@ramizacehaja3872]

And We have certainly created for Hell many of the jinn and mankind. They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear. Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray.1 It is they who are the heedless.

[@ramizacehaja3872]

​@@arusirham3761islam is for people who have brains

[@joined201010261347]

@@ramizacehaja3872 Do I understand you correctly, if I assume you mean that those that are destined for Hell simply lack brains? I checked in Nasr’s Study Quran on the verse you quoted. I’m especially impressed by the conclusion, where it states that I have less wits than cattle in refusing to be guided. But the question remains, why would a merciful being create creatures that lack the wits to make informed decisions and therefore predictably end up in Hell? The Study Quran on Q7:179: The meaning of God’s having created for Hell many among jinn and men goes to the heart of the issue of the relationship between human and Divine control of human moral choice and destiny. For many Ashʿarites, the verse should be read literally to mean that God created certain human beings and jinn in such a way that they are innately inclined toward acts that lead inevitably to their perdition. (Fakhr al-Dīn al-Rāzī (d. 606/1210), al-Tafsīr al-kabīr, also known as Mafātīḥ al-ghayb) For those who preferred this literal reading, the verse is consistent with other verses indicating that God guides some and misleads others (see 7:178c). It is also consistent with several aḥādīth, including one that indicates that while the child is still unborn, God commands an angel to write down his or her worldly provision, life span, works, and fate as either blissful or wretched in the Hereafter. (ʿImād al-Dīn Abu’l-Fidāʾ Ismāʿīl ibn ʿUmar ibn Kathīr (d. 774/1373), Tafsīr al-Qurʾān al-ʿaẓīm) Muʿtazilites and many others, however, read the verse to mean that God has foreknowledge of individuals’ moral choices and destinies, but does not determine them. (uḥammad ibn Jarīr al-Ṭabarī (d. 310/923), Jāmiʿ al-bayān ʿan taʾwīl āy al-Qurʾān) The statement that He created them for Hell may simply be meant to indicate their final end, as if to say, “We have created many jinn and men only to have them end up in Hellfire”; or it may express the idea that some jinn and men are so deeply entrenched in disbelief that it is as if they were created for Hell. (Abu’l-Qāsim Maḥmūd ibn ʿUmar al-Zamakhsharī (d. 538/1144), al-Kashshāf ʿan ghawāmiḍ ḥaqāʾiq al-tanzīl wa ʿuyūn al-aqāwīl fī wujūh al-taʾwīl) For Muʿtazilites, interpreting this verse to mean that God literally creates some individuals to disobey His commands would be to assert that God has given certain individuals moral commands that they are innately incapable of fulfilling, something that would be futile, unjust, and unmerciful and thus cannot be attributed to God. (Fakhr al-Dīn al-Rāzī (d. 606/1210), al-Tafsīr al-kabīr, also known as Mafātīḥ al-ghayb) Moreover, they note that a literal reading of this verse would conflict with a literal reading of other verses, such as 51:56: I did not create jinn and mankind, save to worship Me. The eyes, the ears, and the heart-the last of which is considered the seat of understanding, intelligence, and knowledge (ibid) - comprise the faculties and organs by which individuals can be guided to the truth (ʿImād al-Dīn Abu’l-Fidāʾ Ismāʿīl ibn ʿUmar ibn Kathīr (d. 774/1373), Tafsīr al-Qurʾān al-ʿaẓīm) But for some people, these faculties do not fulfill their Divinely intended function (see e.g., 2:18; 18:101; 47:23), either because God has “sealed” or “covered” them (see, e.g., 2:7; 47:16) or because human beings have refused to employ them properly. Their hearts do not contemplate the various signs of God and His Oneness or the messages sent through His prophets; (Muḥammad ibn Jarīr al-Ṭabarī (d. 310/923), Jāmiʿ al-bayān ʿan taʾwīl āy al-Qurʾān; Abu’l-Qāsim Maḥmūd ibn ʿUmar al-Zamakhsharī (d. 538/1144), al-Kashshāf ʿan ghawāmiḍ ḥaqāʾiq al-tanzīl wa ʿuyūn al-aqāwīl fī wujūh al-taʾwīl) Their eyes do not see the obvious signs of God’s creative Power in the world around them; and their ears do not hear the teachings of the scriptures, but only the call of temptation. See 41:5, where the disbelievers say to the Prophet, Our hearts are under coverings from that to which you call us, and in our ears is a deafness, and between us and you there is a veil. (Aḥmad ibn ʿAjībah (d. 1224/1809), al-Baḥr al-madīd fī tafsīr al-Qurʾān al-majīd; Abu’l-Qāsim al-Qushayrī (d. 465/1072), Laṭāʾif al-ishārāt; Muḥammad ibn Jarīr al-Ṭabarī (d. 310/923), Jāmiʿ al-bayān ʿan taʾwīl āy al-Qurʾān; Abu’l-Qāsim Maḥmūd ibn ʿUmar al-Zamakhsharī (d. 538/1144), al-Kashshāf ʿan ghawāmiḍ ḥaqāʾiq al-tanzīl wa ʿuyūn al-aqāwīl fī wujūh al-taʾwīl; Finally, the verse compares such persons to cattle (see also 25:44), for cattle do not possess an intellect with which to understand religious truth. (Muḥammad ibn Jarīr al-Ṭabarī (d. 310/923), Jāmiʿ al-bayān ʿan taʾwīl āy al-Qurʾān; bu’l-Qāsim Maḥmūd ibn ʿUmar al-Zamakhsharī (d. 538/1144), al-Kashshāf ʿan ghawāmiḍ ḥaqāʾiq al-tanzīl wa ʿuyūn al-aqāwīl fī wujūh al-taʾwīl.) Those who do not employ their intellect are thus no better than beasts. (Fakhr al-Dīn al-Rāzī- in fact, they are even worse for squandering the gift of intellect, which they have been given precisely for the purpose of discerning truth. Like cattle, such persons are concerned only with fulfilling base desires for food and comfort (Aj). The verse then asserts that they are even further astray than cattle, since even cattle know enough to flee from what is harmful for them and to seek out what nourishes them, while the disbelievers work toward their own spiritual destruction. Moreover, Islamic tradition holds that animals and all natural phenomena recognize their Creator, but the disbelievers do not ; and although cattle can be guided by the call of their herdsman, even if they hear it only as a call and a shout (2:171), the disbelievers refuse to be guided at all. (Fakhr al-Dīn al-Rāzī (d. 606/1210), al-Tafsīr al-kabīr, also known as Mafātīḥ al-ghayb; Muḥammad ibn Jarīr al-Ṭabarī (d. 310/923), Jāmiʿ al-bayān ʿan taʾwīl āy al-Qurʾān; Abu’l-Qāsim Maḥmūd ibn ʿUmar al-Zamakhsharī (d. 538/1144), al-Kashshāf ʿan ghawāmiḍ ḥaqāʾiq al-tanzīl wa ʿuyūn al-aqāwīl fī wujūh al-taʾwīl; Abu’l-Futūḥ Ḥusayn ibn ʿAlī al-Rāzī (d. 525/1131), Rawḥ al-jinān wa rūḥ al-janān; Muḥammad ibn Jarīr al-Ṭabarī (d. 310/923), Jāmiʿ al-bayān ʿan taʾwīl āy al-Qurʾān; ʿImād al-Dīn Abu’l-Fidāʾ Ismāʿīl ibn ʿUmar ibn Kathīr (d. 774/1373), Tafsīr al-Qurʾān al-ʿaẓīm)

[@Aksarallah]

@@joined201010261347 humans are beings with free will unlike the angels. But due to that, humans who freely choose to believe in Allah are higher than these angels who are not able to disbelieve. Humans were asked if they wanted to be tested, and we all said yes. and our memories were erased and sent to earth.

[@M.CaraPHD]

Misleading...the tale attributed to Moschos is probably a later 11th century addittion to the collection of tales about monks. It is more probable it was borrowed from islamic lore.

[@Tar-Elenion]

What is the evidence that it was added in the 11th century?

[@emranba-abbad8335]

Perhaps the most important point of this story is it was an answer to a question from a Jewish rabbi. All the stories in the chapter of "The Cave" are in answering the question of this rabbi. So there is no wonder these stories were written somewhere. In fact, the books of the Jews and the Christians were not translated and were kept safely from non-scholars of other religions. Hence they challenged the prophet Mohammad to tell the stories which were very difficult to know about at that time in Arabia and he did succeed in this test according to the narration. Please don't forget there was no google or google translate in 7th century Arabia. By prophet Mohammad knowing the inner and hidden information in the old scriptures and him telling which was true and which was an interpolation was a proof that he was a prophet sent by the same God.

[@torotorotaxi5367]

Thetexts were available usually is Syriac or Aramaic The surah repeats stories which were of wide knowledge to Christian audience such as the cave of treasures, the seven sleepers, the Alexander legend and as presented by Reynolds even al Khidr story drives from Christian lore Now the Quran never says its messenger was challenged by a rabbi, this is an Islamic interpretation The quranic authors were re elaborating existing Christian material which was very well known to the audience The allusive language of the quranic rasm which only partially recalls these sources clearly points to a Christianised audience which already know the stories

[@emranba-abbad8335]

@@torotorotaxi5367 Just translating the text or unauthorized teaching was a crime punishable by death.

[@torotorotaxi5367]

@@emranba-abbad8335 the texts were widespread and thought so they were accessible The quranic athor made use of them as per his needs The allusive language of the quranic text is a clear indication that the audience/readers could understand them despite the allusive language

[@hans471]

@@emranba-abbad8335 These stories were not even religious but fiction stories (such as the 7 sleeper legend), also the Alexander Romance. So, these were popular stories in oral tradition and there surely was not any prohibition to translate them into other languages...

[@emranba-abbad8335]

@@hans471 considered fictional later on. Additionally, these times they knew some stories have meaning and should be garded so that the masses will be easier to control.

[@jubrillasisi3599]

The essence of this story is that PATIENCE PRECEDE KNOWLEDGE, which means for you to have knowledge,you must have patience first, that is why Al kidri told prophet Musa that he won't have patience to be able to learn from him,and that is why prophet Muhammad told us that we could have learn more from Al kidri if Musa had have patience

[@TheMoe2310]

Beautiful ❤

[@sweetginger222]

That's not the essence of of the story. The essence is you need to have knowledge to have patience, as Khidr said to Musa, "He (Khidr) said: “Verily! You will not be able to have patience with me! And how can you have patience about a thing which you know not?” (Surah Kahf 67-68)

[@jubrillasisi3599]

@@sweetginger222 it seems you don't understand what kidri was telling prophet Musa"you won't be able to have patience with something you don't have knowledge" it is same saying," Patience will make you have knowledge"what caused separation between Al kidri and Musa is lack of patience from Musa, he was not patience enough, having been warned by Al kidri not to question him on anything until he explain them to him, that is why prophet Muhammad said"we could have learn more if prophet musa had patience"

[@sweetginger222]

@@jubrillasisi3599 You're confusing the essence of the story with the reason why Musa (as) couldn't keep up with khidr.

[@jubrillasisi3599]

@@sweetginger222 ok,if I may ask what is the essence of the story?and what did Almighty Allah told prophet Musa to go to Al kidri? please I want to know more from you

[@streetscholar3539]

That was interesting, my reading of khidr in the Quran was that he was not acting alone but was acting on divine instruction so therefore his 'knowledge' was from God and not his own so more a case of khidr having some knowledge from God that moses did not have as it was not necessary for Moses to have this knowledge and it could also be vice versa, also God gives knowledge to prophets as they need I.e. via revelation as and when required so again my understanding is this experience for Moses was to show him that only God (Allah) has the absolute knowledge and understanding of the world and universe and we simply have to obey because our knowledge and understanding is limited.

[@athiran5856]

The word ḫḍr doesn't really mean the green. I am a native Arabic speaker and I can tell the difference. The word green has a different short vowel that is not written usually, also it is spelled ʾḫḍr. Although, most Muslims believe that the word is related to green.

[@hassmali1139]

Thank you so much Bro but Quraan never mentioned The name of Green man or Khadar just Say ‏ فَوَجَدَا عَبْدًا مِّنْ عِبَادِنَا آتَيْنَاهُ رَحْمَةً مِّنْ عِندِنَا وَعَلَّمْنَاهُ مِن لَّدُنَّا عِلْمًا ‎😊❤

[@dr.ahmedelamin5276]

green man is translated alragol alakhdar not Alkhidr ....Alkhidr is a name which can't be translated....sorry , I didn't complete the video after finding this silly mistake in the first minute

[@shahinazad]

That figure in the Qur'an reflects the concept of the Messiah of the House of Joseph in Jewish thought, in contrast to the Messiah of the House of Judah. While the Messiah of the House of Judah is the one who receives the word of God he is not the one who is given the knowledge of its interpretation. In contrast, the Messiah of the House of Joseph is the one who is chosen by God to bring the Ta'wil/esoteric interpretation of the revelation. The Quran refers to this figure multiple times, via different titles such as Dhu al-Qarnayn, and Salih al-Mu'menien (صَالِحُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ). This figure is in fact the Mahdi in Islamic tradition.

[@Kuuzie1]

Ei virtually we can trace the sources of all quranic stories?😅

[@declansutherland8526]

Thought the depiction of the Green Man was holding a rosary for a second! I forgot the ubiquity of prayer beads 😅

[@attila0073]

i read it as an explanation from god to us for qadar wisdom of god may be clear to us or anonymous extra : that part of quran was answer to jews asking prophet

[@faisalhussain4022]

There are so many interpretations of Khidr in different schools and I am not refuting those , however could Al-Khidr be non other than Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) himself came from the divine realms to lead Moses ?. After all Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) is the leader of all Prophets sent by Allah. Lets keep a spiritual story as spiritual only and nothing else. Moral of the story matters most "Allah knows best".

[@siddiqueyd1]

Infact he was not true green, , but light green with yellow sprinkles!

[@A.--.]

Guys here we go again having to listen to wrong reading and wrong interpretations but i will clarify Gabe's mistakes or Fitna. 5:32 speaks of killing an innocent soul not "a soul" as Gabe read it. This is classic Gabe Fitna. He also fails to inform us that 5:32 is speaking about humans (who have no unseen knowledge) while "Khizar" had special knowledge about the boy. Unless special knowledge was given by God, one couldn't even kill Hitler before he commited his first crime. Therefore to pull in 5:32 here is a complete Strawman false-equivalent example.

[@SzTz100]

Fitna is a loaded term, you can't just brandish it about like that. Are you saying the only correct interpretation is your interpretation.

[@A.--.]

@@SzTz100 fitna has been defined clearly and has several examples. It doesnt ellicit an emotional response for accademicians like us so therefore it is not a "loaded word" technically speaking. (Ref: serch definition of "loaded word")

[@SzTz100]

@@A.--. Fitna can mean any of the following: testing and trial, blocking the way; persecution; shirk and kufr; falling into sin and hypocrisy; confusing truth with falsehood; misguidance.

[@A.--.]

@@SzTz100 yep, and corruption (like most countries and humans do)

[@safiul1930]

Prophet Moses(as) thought he was the wisest in his time 😊. That when Allah introduced him to kizir(as) as a lesson for Moses(as). Allah doesn't like a person to be arrogant. Moses was humbled afterwards. Peace.

[@kaiserbeigh]

Young boy was not to become unbeliever in future but to become rebellious to his parents how minor details let u mislead people surah 18:80

[@A.--.]

Also Gabe please dont use man-made fake pictures to represent pious people of the past like Prophets. Thank you.

[@Skullman367]

Keep your religious dogma to yourself if you want to deal with people from different backgrounds. He’s not presenting this to the Muslim Brotherhood.

[@AJansenNL]

The story of al-Khidr is quite problematic. Apostate Alladin did a video on it a week ago (Prophet Moses and The Wise Guy).

[@fahnikan]

Definitely, important for the Shias: ayatollahs in Iran use the story to justify killing of the protesters based on esoteric knowledge given to ayatollahs by God.

[@azhar4049]

Mufti Abu Layth leans towards the view this was a dream or vision (which I agree with). See Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth: Session 104 - 1:37:03

[@MsDarta]

😮 Hulk ?

[@garybaxter3871]

Dhu a- Qarnayn

[@ZaidKhan-su3ey]

Painting in the thumbnail is Indian Mughal painting

[@bluesteele2235]

Extraterrestrial being, just like the name elohiem, these were beings from other worlds

[@2Sage-7Poets]

where did muslims get the story about moses? from the pagan arabs?

[@Tar-Elenion]

It seems to have been current and popular enough for the author John Moschus to have picked it up in his travels and put in his book with a lot of other tales. Muhammad may well have picked it up in his youth while travelling with his merchant uncle.

[@whisperedwonderland]

The correct, fully detailed story of prophet Moses is from God/ Allah in the Quran.

[@andanandan6061]

People often regard Hadith where Muhammad narated similar story in Bible as true in order to justify claim that He was fake prophet. But when it comes to hadith about His miracles they suddently have double standard. I mean yes you can copy stories but not miracle. How could people explain that ?

[@larryputra3692]

bruh it makes no sense what you said in the video,i learned nothing.

[@konnektlive]

Maybe try harder? Maybe try to educate yourself, so you could begin understanding deeper topics?

[@africanherbsman9488]

Little green men maybe.

[@shihabshihabi375]

You did not mention that the story happened because Moses told his people that no one on earth is more knowlegable than him and therefore God told hin that there is a man and Moses wanted to meet him and learn from him. Moses in Muslim creed is still much better than Khidher. He is the second after Mohammad. Second, no inner and outside meanings as heretic sofis claim. Simply Khidher was made by God to know the future in these instances.

[@Khairuldean-vz4mp]

Book Of Job Wisdom and Understanding When did it happen to Moses? Relevance to Zul-Qarnain story?

[@Bahraini1970]

I am surprised that someone who introduce himself as scholar of Quranic studies completely missed the whole point of the story . Please read any tafsir's of this Surah from Muslim sources to see how Muslims understand this story

[@williambrewer]

Can you give it in a nutshell please?

[@leedza]

The green man could it be just bad Aramiac translation. It would interesting to remove the diacritic marks and see if you get a different meaning.

[@SonOfJesus777]

Muhammad prayed his whole life:: o allah, save me from the dajjal. Yet allah did not utter dajjal even once in quran. What does it prove?? The Islamic writings are just gossips.

[@samirbenabdallah9462]

" The Servant of God" of course because he's described like this in the holy Qur'an. But there's no serious proof that his name was ' Al Khidr". Be careful because this relationship between Moussa pbuh and the Servant of God is used in some islamic schools like "soufism" to teach sorcellerie !

[@homer1273]

Khidr was a dream of Moses when he fell a sleep

[@Tar-Elenion]

That is not how it is presented in the koran (18.65).

[@homer1273]

@@Tar-Elenion actually the Quran explicitly says that Moses fell asleep and then the whole story of Khidr starts.

[@Tar-Elenion]

@@homer1273 Notice how I direct you to a specific verse?

[@Tar-Elenion]

@@homer1273 al-Khaf 60-65: And when said Musa to his boy, "Not I will cease until I reach the junction (of) the two seas or I continue (for) a long period." But when they reached the junction between them, they forgot their fish, and it took its way into the sea, slipping away. Then when they had passed beyond he said to his boy, "Bring us our morning meal. Certainly we have suffered in our journey this, fatigue." He said, "Did you see, when we retired to the rock? Then indeed, I forgot the fish. And not made me forget it except the Shaitaan that I mention it. And it took its way into the sea amazingly." He said, "That (is) what we were seeking." So they returned on their footprints, retracing. [And then Allah's Servant]: Then they found a servant from Our servants, whom We had given mercy from Us, and We had taught him from Us a knowledge.

[@hanisitsobarna4897]

try find hajj in right place ..... 🤞 😅

[@FullMoongrn]

Al khidr is NOT a prophet. Read the quran carefully. God zaus: " Then they found one of Our servants, whom We had given Our grace, and whom We had instructed in Our knowledge." Al Kahf, verse 65. The verse says clearly, that he is one of our worshippers and not one of our prophets. In islam we believe that God selects sometimes normal people who might be saints. We call them Awliyaa'. They are strong believers and have a great faith in God. God gives them more knowledge and power on earth.

[@Tar-Elenion]

Did Reynolds' say he was an Islamic prophet? Or did he say that in some Islamic sources he is considered a prophet? If the second, then (at least per wikipedia), he is noted as a prophet in the Qisas al-Anbiya.

[@msdietitian5353]

Green is a name and not that his color is green, and the name is not mentioned in the Quran. My understanding the hadeeths regarding this name are weak and not reliable. Also, you have little understanding of the story. To begin with, Moses peace be upon him was telling his Jewish Muslim followers that he does not know anyone who has more knowledge than him. So, ALLAH informed Moses peace be upon him that there is someone who has more knowledge than him and this is how the story began to unfold. We Muslims believe anyone who submitted his or her will to the will of ALLAH is a Muslim and so those the Jews who followed Moses are Muslims, and those who followed all other prophets are Muslims, because Muslims believe all prophets preached the same message, to worship ONE GOD. ALLAH in Arabic and Aalah in Aramaic, the language of Jesus peace be upon him. Both words are pronounced the same.

[@markorbit4752]

Allah told this khidr fellow to kill a kid out of fear that he will become a disbeliever? If you want evidence that Allah is a man-made god, there you have it. The creator of the universe won't be scared of s kid disbelieving in him. I resty case

[@gavinjames1145]

It is certainly interesting to find how the Qur'an authors recycled older stories, which is evident throughout Chapter 18; from the story of _Dhu'l Qarnayn_ to _The Seven Sleepers of Ephesus_ . Luxenberg in _A Syro-Aramaic Reading of the Koran_ (pp. 183-8) has another interesting interpretation of _Qur'an_ 18:60-82, which is worth consideration; that the making of a hole in the boat may mean instead that the boat is camouflaged in order to hide it from a king who intends to destroy it.

[@Khairuldean-vz4mp]

That's the problem with Gabriel pbuh and the other Holy Spirits. Ever study the Tanak or study Tovia Singer, dude? Save Haram Al-Sharif Now! No Third Temple On Mount Moriah!

[@asattar973]

How dishonest is this host.... moschos is much later.... I think the host have some agenda.

[@A.--.]

Gabe tries to put forth an argument that Muhammad coppied the story of Khizar from another source. Wiki on this source: The Spiritual Meadow is a 7th-century book by John Moschus. In Greek, it is titled Leimōn pneumatikos (also the Leimonarion Λειμωνάριον, or the "New Paradise") and in Latin, it is known as Pratum spirituale ("Spiritual Meadow"), occasionally abbreviated Prat. Spirit. John Moschus wrote the book during the 610s or 620s.[1] It contains a rich assortment of over 200 narratives, biographies, and collections of sayings. Now if the event happent in 13th century BCE it could have spread and been preserved in various forms some of which were distorted and others preserved. Gabe has to prove it was translated into Arabic as step #1 and that the Prophet was the only one who knew it (otherwise the arabs and jews around him would have called him out on it). This is typical "connect-the-dots" approach to stitching then selling a fakse narrative which Gabe is good at. Fitna spreaders. You call this accademia?

[@Tar-Elenion]

Why would he have to prove that The Spiritual Meadow was translated into arabic?

[@A.--.]

@@Tar-Elenion beacuse he is implying the Prophet copied it.

[@Tar-Elenion]

@@A.--. I did not hear him say that Muhammad copied the book. He was suggesting the story was prevalent, and that the Ear heard it and repeated it. The 'implication' is that the fable was prevalent. That it was prevalent is evidenced by Moschus writing about it in his book, which contained lots of fables he had heard in his travels. Has nothing to do with needing a translation of the book itself.

[@A.--.]

@@Tar-Elenion @2:10 he says "most importantly for understanding the story of the Quran" when referencing this John's document. His entire narrative (if you listen to him ling enough in various clips) is that the Quran is nothing divine but rather man-made book copied from and elaborated versions of previously written documents.

[@Tar-Elenion]

@@A.--. Yes. And that does nothing to change what I stated. The story in the quran is found in the text of the Spiritual Meadow. That it is in the text, implies that the story had been in circulation. It does not imply that the Ear had to read a translation of the text. It does imply that the Ear had also heard the fable. And the Ear was noted to repeat stories of the ancients (Koran 25: 5).

[@davidzack8735]

Fun fact. This is yet another example of how unoriginal the Quran is. Muhammad was illiterate so he never knew if the stories he heard were in the Bible or what other sources they were from. This is why the Meccans accused him of simply repeating 'tales of the ancients' and nicknamed him 'All Ears' because they realised he was just repeating stuff hed heard from others around him at the time. When he repeats a story, he is either vague on details or makes mistakes in the re-telling, as here. The original tale about the boat, the child and the wall are not recounted to 'Moses' as Muhammad says here. He might even have heard the name Mochus and got it confused with Musa or Moses. In the Sura of the Cave, Muhammad recounts the story of the Seven Sleepers of Ephesus and the legend of Alexander the Great and Gog and Magog. All without knowing where these stories came from and who they were originally about. Then when anyone pointed out his mistakes or differences from the originals, he claimed to his gullible followers that he had 'corrected the Bible', not knowing that in fact these particular tales were not even in the Bible. 😁

[@whisperedwonderland]

Actually no, Prophet Muhammad was not illiterate. The word used for him is Ummi - someone that had no previous knowledge / not privy to any books that had come before Quran - bible,torah. Therefore nobody could say to him that he is repeating stories of previous prophets before him i.e Adam, Noah, Jesus, Moses etc.

[@davidzack8735]

@@whisperedwonderland It is clear from the earliest authentic Muslim sources that Muhammad may have been able to read and write a little basic Arabic. He chose however to dictate his revelations to scribes and never wrote them himself. He was forty when he had his first revelation and had spent years in religious debate with the Judeo-Christian sects around him at the time before formulating his belief that the moon god of the Kabah, Allah, was the same god as in the Bible. The first Meccan verses of the Quran are so entirely based on Christianity that his warnings of the Day of Judgement were taken in places almost word for word from the Gospel of St Matthew which was known to the Nazarene and Ebionite Christians around him at the time including his wife's aged cousin Waraqa. The more educated Quraysh including his cousin al-Nadr b al-Harith realised that he was just repeating stuff hed heard from others around him at the time so they mocked him and accused him of 'repeating legends of the ancients' as mentioned eight times in the Quran. Muhammad got his revenge on al-Nadr. He had him beheaded after the Battle of Badr in 624CE on the way back to Medina with the loot. 😁

[@whisperedwonderland]

@@davidzack8735 wow look at your narative. It is a load of bull. All I can say is that we will find out the truth om judgement day, and there will be some very sorry people. We never deny the bible, we just say it was changed so many times to suit you. Quran has and never will be changed. You have been so far brain washed that you can't think logically. Lets follow the bible which is no longer what it was, ot lets follow the Quran, the complete last seal that needed to come down due to the fact that the bible was changed so many time 🙂

[@andanandan6061]

​​​@@davidzack8735Allah is Mon God ? I though He is the true God isn't He ? In the other hand the Jews worship YHWH the son of EL or AL-(ilah) of the Arabic version, the most high God and then Christian came and introducee something even worse i.e worship Jesus grand Son of EL ??? So I wonder who worship the wrong God here. Is it Islam, Jew or Christianity?

[@andanandan6061]

​​@@davidzack8735so you believe hadith to be true and use it as basis for your argument. Then how you explain some hadith where people reported His miracles ? He could repeat the story he Heard from other I agree there is chance for that but how about miracles. It is something you can't copy.

[@patrickroden713]

It's amazing to see the lengths that some people will go to, in order to explain away the embarrassing and clearly false stories in the koran. I'm sure you can find countless fairy tales and mythical stories from ancient times, that were told by Christians and Jews to their children, etc, but the elephant in the room is that none of these stories are in the Bible, while the little green man, etc, were in the Koran and therefore came directly from Allah, (Lah). If you need to lie or engage in textual gymnastics to hide the embarrassment of your 'holy' book, then I would suggest that common sense should tell you that your book is perhaps not very 'holy' after all. It's one thing for people in ancient times or even a few hundred years ago, to be deceived by the Koran, but to watch people who are Western educated, to spout this nonsense is completely cringeworthy.

[@slightlyopinionated8107]

You know Noah’s flood is based on the epic of Gilgamesh and Jonah and the whale is also based on some ancient Sumerian writings. If you were as critical of the Bible as you were of the Quran you would’ve left Christianity a week ago

[@patrickroden713]

@@slightlyopinionated8107 Thanks for taking the time to reply. The Flood/Gilgamesh comparison has been debunked so thoroughly, I won't respond, and the bible does not mention a whale at any point in the Book of Jonah, so if it is mentioned in 'some' ancient Sumerian writings, it's clearly an entirely different story. I'd like to know what your understanding is of the story of Jonah and the whale, though.

[@slightlyopinionated8107]

@@patrickroden713 it has been debunked? I apologize I’m a little late on the news. Explain to me how it was debunked or point me to some written text where I can read about how this was debunked. And I say whale because that’s the word the Quran uses but the Bible says a great fish. So is you’re disagreement with the terminology? If so I’ll grant you that it’s not a whale but a great fish tell me how does it not resemble the Sumerian story?

[@patrickroden713]

@@slightlyopinionated8107 You get your information from the Quran? hahaha! Please tell me what you know about the story of Jonah and the whale? Just a brief outline will do.

[@patrickroden713]

Can I just add that the epic of Gilgamesh comes after the timeline of Noah, (although, if you do not believe in God) you may think that the evidence is that Noah was invented after the date of the 'epic' Both the bible and the quran have a timeline that puts Noah before Gilgamesh.

[@rebaz7256]

Boring story

[@Timeone123.]

Hello sir

[@richardkodirekka3440]

Way to heaven All are sinners in this world All got hell And there is a way to escape from hell For example, a man committed a murder or stole something or did some sin then he got hell, and if he don't want hell, there is a way, if he want to escape from hell he have to sacrifice animals to God, he have to do sin offerings For example, if a man killed then he got hell and if he sacrifices 5 bulls to God he don't go to hell or for steeling have to sacrifice 1 bull to God to save himself from hell. I am not accurate about this sin offerings but if you want to know read Moses laws. - (Leviticus-4) So this is one way to enter heaven tho one is sinner. By doing sin offerings to God by sacrificing animals. But there is a problem in this way also because those who are doing animal sacrifice and sin offerings are not doing accurate animal sacrifices and going to hell. Now again all got hell God loves human so he gave another way for a sinner to escape from hell God sent Jesus Christ to die like a sacrifice animal. And Jesus Christ did, he sacrificed himself. Jesus christ lived in heaven and came to this world and lived like a human. JESUS CHRIST came to die, to save humans . JESUS SAVES. For example if a murder or a thief or a sinner want to escape from hell and want to get heaven, then he have to accept that Jesus Christ died for his sins. It's just like he did correct sin offerings to God, so now he can escape from hell. After accepting, Jesus sacrifice for us. We have to live like him, We have to follow this teachings, We should not sin again after accepting JESUS CHRIST as SAVIOUR Devil take even good people to hell which is a worst dangerous ugly place. i. e why, God take even sinners to Heaven which is best safe beautiful place. So all are sinners so Jesus is the only way to heaven. Death is not the end of life Jesus Christ the saviour save humans from Devil and Hell Now this is the only way to Heaven Thank God and Jesus Christ Quran It have good and bad , it have true and lie.. it is negetive and positive. So it's a negetive book. Positive + negative = negetive.. Quran is a dead book and evil book.. We must seek the TRUTH more than being reglious.. Mohammad who's is a false Prophet say Torah and Bible are wrong and corrupted, Mohammad is not human like Jesus Christ but Jesus Christ is from God Almighty but Mohammad is from Devil Lucifer, he wrote AntiBible and Anti Torah, devil speak lies to take human to hell, devil is enemy of humans, it will appear like human. All humans are not humans, there are three kind of humans some are devils some are angels and gods and some are true humans. Jesus Christ say " be aware of the false prophets, they are wolf in the sheep clothes " They look like humans but they are devil 😈 All humans are not humans some are gods some are devils and only some are humans. When we die our body die but not our souls , God give those souls new body , with new body all humans souls have to live in heaven or hell . Jesus saves Read John 3:16 . Believe it. This life is only for few days but the life we get after death is forever. .🧐😀😇

[@sasa_sasa_sasa230]

@Exploring the Quran and the Bible Ser, do you have links of books or Academic work?