"Moses Itauma Needs To Be Held Back!" Duke McKenzie Urges Him To Look At Johnny Fisher vs Dave Allen

[@bigrob1971]

Why do they constantly talk over Duke? He’s by far the most knowledgeable but those two idiots just talk over him all the time.

[@DavidGoldX]

It’s extremely frustrating. Spencer Oliver does it the most and he talks the most 💩

[@mrlemon8179]

Nobody wants to listen, everyone loves the sound of their own voice & they don’t realise they’re here for the public not themselves

[@mikeadams7904]

​@@DavidGoldX so true

[@Hanini87]

So well put.... I miss the Duke and Naz analysis for the groves / eubank Jr fight

[@mikeadams7904]

​@Hanini87 " bruck em up-!"

[@kevinpan1267]

Duke McKenzie definitely needs his own Podcast or Show ...

[@ouroborosbond7412]

who will watch it?

[@BrAnDoN67k]

Alot of people who know boxing dude​@@ouroborosbond7412

[@glennr2358]

@@ouroborosbond7412I’d watch it, these other two are clueless.

[@lionheartthemuss]

The only one who talks sense

[@wally8867]

Duke has been a class edition to the Talk sport gang. Has an educated opinion and isn't afraid to say it.

[@JorgeVallejos]

Moses vs jared Anderson

[@philipcrewe540]

Love the Duke, but please let him talk & finish his sentence, too much over talking, I've had to turn off

[@joshs9227]

As per usual Duke speaking facts and getting interrupted non stop

[@safwannabi7522]

Spencer need to relax. The chihuahua can’t stop butting in

[@Bobsey]

Saying Itauma needs to go to the U.S when they have not a heavyweight in the top 15! All the big heavyweight fights happen here or Riyadh

[@joshs9227]

@@Bobsey It's more about the gyms and training. America is great for that.

[@stephenchubb7376]

Yeah it's almost unwatchable...

[@TimothyRipkey]

The guy can hardly string a sentence together, I genuinely can't believe the amount of people saying how knowledgeable he is.

[@lordbarrington7137]

Simon and Spencer are like a couple of lads sat in a kitchen at 4am. Can’t let anyone else finish their sentences without wanting to speak themselves 😅

[@geraldleuven169]

Playing a drinking game for every time Duke gets interrupted would be suicide.

[@brianthompson891]

Duke talks so much knowledge of boxing,its a shame thats these two clowns cant let him finish a sentence

[@Daryl_Dolce]

Simon When you ask a question, let them bloody answer it!

[@Andrew-dw6ee]

I swear, it's pathetic.

[@suesio6432]

He really gets on my nerves. Asks a question then answers it himself

[@ThaLatePizzaBoi]

Spot on as per Duke, he’s fought people that anyone in the top 20 would beat. Don’t rush him he’s 19, look what happened to Jared Anderson.

[@warsamedaman7313]

Jared isn’t on Moses level sorry to tell you that

[@mikeadams7904]

Jared was an American hope. They were desperate

[@cjmillington]

@@mikeadams7904yeah, he was also never really built for it. He was talking about retiring 3 years ago

[@ThaLatePizzaBoi]

@@mikeadams7904 Wouldn’t write him off yet, he’s got some good skills. Tough comeback trail though, should never have been thrown in there with Bakole. Having said that people probably underestimated Bakole, including myself!

[@ouroborosbond7412]

Bakole would beat Moses now i think, in fact i think he gives a lot of guys in the top 15-20 trouble.

[@shak-yv1ec]

Duke is the best commentator on this platform by far

[@wurkin89]

Love how these pair keep talking over a 3 weight world champion 😂 Duke knows what he’s talking about so let the man talk

[@RedouaneChtatou]

Duke is the brain here, gives balanced answers and thoughts. Please less Spencer more Duke, i find it hard listining to Spencer.

[@alfiehickson8440]

Duke is fantastic! Says it how it is and isn't dependent on or worrying about offending the Fury's or Frank Warren.

[@hendrix9087]

Duke is the only person worth listening to on talk sport boxing

[@nadim2165]

Dave Allen said weeks ago that Itauma is way too good for him

[@i1mz]

He’s been getting top class sparring since he was in school lol A.J, Fury, Dubois, Okolie… This is partly why he is so advanced already. Been sparring world champions in his teens!

[@Dukestboy96]

Exactly he should be saying don't rush someone like Fabio. That would be closer to what fisher is. Moses is a different breed

[@user-qv5us5nz4v]

@@Dukestboy96 David Price was a different breed too, until he got hit clean on the whiskers with 10 ounce gloves….

[@Dukestboy96]

@@user-qv5us5nz4v true but he's clearly making his way up and trying to achieve greatness. Aka be the youngest heavyweight champ. We're in a new era of boxing now where people actually fight decent opposition and people will lose. Doesn't need to have 30 fights before fighting someone who can challenge you. Not saying he's ready for dubois or that elite level right now but he could definitely go in with a Jared Anderson, joyce maybe even push to a dillian whyte. I wouldn't go as far as a hrgovich next like some say

[@user-qv5us5nz4v]

@@Dukestboy96 Hrgovic will school him, take him deep ….but there’s better prospects out there but they’re not mentioned because they ain’t British so they ain’t hyped….IMO Jalolov stops itauma and Richard Torrez would be a great slug feast….

[@Dukestboy96]

@@user-qv5us5nz4v I don't really mind who's hyped and who's not I just wanna see all these guys fight. I'm not a fan to start trashing people over a loss. For instance As much as fury annoys me and clearly lost. He's still a great boxer and it was a fight that felt close the whole way. I don't like the Mayweather effect of ducking and diving to stay undefeated

[@lakvindersingh4632]

It's like when Carl Thompson beat Haye

[@robmorrissey7816]

Dont rush but also dont feed him tin cans for 5 years because then he'll go backwards and maybe start believing he is better than he actually is. Progress the level of opponent steadily but don't hold him back either just to milk as much money as you can because that can harm his progression/improvement as a boxer. If you only knock over tin cans that dont fight back you don't learn the art of boxing which you need at the elite level. Don't be afraid to make mistakes to get to where you need to get to. Rocky once said "it's not all about how hard you hit but more about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward" - brilliant and very relevant to real life and boxing.

[@CBDFlowerReviewer]

They said the same thing about mike Tyson. Let the kid go and try potentially break the record.

[@nickmildon6348]

I agree, normally im all for not rushing someone but the kid is so talented. Imagine they made Usyk v Itauma tomorrow, ofcourse Itauma is a big underdog but with his speed and power and youth, he could overwhelm Usyk

[@CBDFlowerReviewer]

@nickmildon6348 it's very likely the belts start to fragment within the next 6 months which means he has the chance to fight someone else for a belt. Usyk is onto bigger things than moses, in all honesty usyk has completed the game. He should quit while he's on top.

[@user-qv5us5nz4v]

@@nickmildon6348 LOL, you do realise that Usyk is pretty fast himself and would be two moves ahead of itauma he entire fight….Usyk would absolutely school the kid and show how inexperienced the boy really is….dont get caught up in the hype.

[@EugenioRodriguez-rr7nw]

I would love to see Moses itauma vs Fabio wardley next

[@harveybrown37]

Won't happen. Same Stable.

[@adamyeejy-sk9fh]

Wardley gets destroyed. People forget that he went life and death with Clarke ffs 😂

[@Wobra1]

​@@adamyeejy-sk9fh In their first fight, he annihilated Clarke in their second fight.

[@leecorcoran6174]

Definitely, like AJ vs whyte for the British title and they had a proper fight not a 1 round blow out 🥊🥊🥊

[@beijaflor1492]

Moses need to go Cuba, Columbia, Brazil, West Africa, & USA: rightly said: "get this boy schooled", unfortunately certain "reporters" gonna mess this talent up ..

[@mr786xcx]

Spencer Oliver needs to shut his big mouth and actually let Duke speak without interrupting every 5 seconds and Simons just as bad.

[@Bigtuff123]

Kids been sparring fury since he was 15 years old, fury said he’s a nightmare to spar, do these lot actually know his past????

[@mrcur0]

Big johns coming for you now 😂 can’t believe you’ve had an opinion

[@Carpediem_76]

Spencer needs to stop interrupting. He hardly ever makes sense anyway.

[@remonimodexd7116]

I disagree with Duke saying he needs to go to America to spar...who is a good HW left in America? There ARE NONE left Duke, they're all in Europe. Also did Duke seriously say Dave allen would be too early for moses? 😂 Dave refused on camera to fight him saying he was too good

[@stephenbermingham6554]

Different styles of boxing will do him well.

[@DavidGoldX]

That’s the one point Duke was wrong about. He thinks we’re still in the 90’s. If anything, Itauma needs to go to Eastern Europe for sparring.

[@darren-q5n]

@@DavidGoldX unfortunately there more money in grid iron american football , basketball all the best athletes go into thoes sports , the best athletes in america aint going into boxing since the 2000s

[@Nonegiven14582]

While they can make money out of Moses. They aren't going to hide him away in America.

[@gredax]

literally noone in america ? andsy the whale ruiz? Deontay the bumslayer wilder?

[@johnpickering4630]

I had to turn this off early because they interrupted Duke so much. So frustrating.

[@ox3965]

Duke McKenzie is right. For get the youngest heavyweight of all time mike tyson was a different beast. The guy is a excellent fighter, just needs to keep putting in the rounds, he will be champion, thats all that matters.

[@UknownPC]

Not being funny but weren’t everyone saying the exact same thing when AJ was blowing people away? And they were, you can’t say they weren’t. Just remember what has been said here in years down the line if Moses takes a loss or makes a mistake.

[@Gary-n]

Moses smashed an old and fat Marius Wach. Nothing learned. McKean fights like a kangaroo with his elbows instead of shoulders punching. Another easy victory. Moses needs to fight European level. Then build off that.

[@declanmckenna5111]

Mckean went 12 rounds with Hergovic. You can say whatever you want about him and he's no world beater. But that was definitely a statement.

[@Gary-n]

​@declanmckenna5111 you clearly didn't see the Hrgovic fight. McKean spent 75% of the fight hugging and didn't hurt Hrgovic once with a shot.

[@joewhite22]

I'd stick him in there with Franklin. Franklin went the distance with both AJ and Whyte so he's a very durable opponent. If he can knock him out, he's good to go against most of the top 10 I would say.

[@Gary-n]

💯 ​@@joewhite22

[@foxb77]

I agree with dukes headline. They should run him thru each style of fighter they can find to give him experience of pro bouts of all types. He's more natural then nature 😂

[@bushlun8443]

Dukes boxing knowledge is mind blowing. Could listen to him all day

[@BigStuCorby]

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[@leninsambhudat8553]

Please keep giving Moses Itouma the Edgar Berlanga treatment, it will be even more hilarious to see your faces when he gets exposed. 🤣What is it with Britain and hypejobs? They've been hyping Moses since his 2nd pro fight lol.

[@wmac78able]

People in boxing know how good Moses actually is. I've seen a lot of hype jobs and trust me, he ain't hype.

[@csammy123]

@@wmac78able People in boxing know how good Edgar Berlanga actually is. I've seen a lot of hype jobs and trust me, he ain't hype

[@wmac78able]

@@csammy123 Exactly!

[@DMG118]

100% agree! Moses is a future WHC, no doubt imo, but he isn't prime Mike Tyson (at least, not yet), and I've feared he would be pushed to the top too soon in order to try and break that record. Looks like he won't be now, which is good. Usyk would win right now, hands down. Dubois would be interesting, but still think DDD would win fairly comfortably. Give him 2/3 years and I think Moses is the best in the world. He is a special talent, and shouldn't be rushed

[@boxingfan6998]

I bet if you ask Moses about that ko punch it had been drilled in the gym and Spencer is spot on,he does not need to go to usa for spars, He is been coached by two of the best boxing anilists in the country by far.Also when people mention Fabio Wadley dont forget they are in the same gym, So both could benifit by spars against each other.

[@michaelcox4639]

The guy with glasses is spot on.

[@ouroborosbond7412]

two of them have glasses..

[@VicArndale]

Simon Jordan

[@ouroborosbond7412]

@VicArndale I know both of their names lol just pointing out how dumb that comment was

[@michaelcox4639]

@@ouroborosbond7412 the black one then.

[@mrlemon8179]

Ituma needs to fight dillian whyte next or Wallin, Jerad Anderson or Franklin next

[@chrisnewell1065]

To be fair, Frank is very good at guiding fighters, he's under the best promotor..

[@iansucco9032]

I tink francis Warren manages him...i imagine frank and francis match him up..looking forward to following mosses on his journey was some ko last time

[@chrisnewell1065]

@iansucco9032 Yeah, I thought it was gonna be a decent test, but he blew him away.

[@ehte1982]

More Duke McKenzie please.

[@neocloudmarts9613]

The ‘Duke’ recognises that Mose could become the next ‘AJ’ for the “good” (by seasoning and management); the “bad” (being rushed end up destroyed because he doesn’t know his craft

[@dufud]

To be fair Moses is leagues above aj .

[@chrisnewell1065]

He has the potential to be leauges above AJ..​@@dufud

[@dufud]

@@chrisnewell1065 he already is boxing wise . Moses was a quality amateur. Won everything right from middleweight to heavyweight. Aj was still a novice really when he turned pro . Still did well for himself though.

[@neocloudmarts9613]

@ you are right Moses is a super talent! The only thing that can derail him is matching him up to early. Remember what happened to the Liverpool boxer who was projected to be the next best heavyweight contender and he came up against a seasoned veteran who knocked him out twice in both matches, it ruined his career chances. Good experience is everything that is why Europe is having such great success in boxing.

[@Ukman-england]

Should be called the fury show the pair are up his back side

[@dubdaz1]

Duke is such a humble knowledgable guy unlike Simon and Spencer who just want to hear their own voice’s, annoying how much they interrupt Duke making this almost unwatchable. Please Talksport listen to your comment section 🙏

[@theasianjaywalker4455]

I'm a believer now. I guessed Demsey McKeen was going to be the "too much too soon" with the older veteran type fighter wrangling him around, maybe a very ugly bout, then run off with points. Moses looked like the next 'Kid Dynamite' for sure, however, I kind of agree halfway with the advice on the panel. YES, he needs some progressive ladder but it can be much more like Mike Tyson - the learning is the fights. Not 100s of rds of sparring to prepare but get the kid in with some wise progression. One of those will be a guy who takes him 10 rounds. Good! Another will be a guy where the KO punch doesn't even seem to wobble him and Moses can't find '1 punch' answers to the fight. Good. It might be good advice to let him get a run in the USA. The UK fans are horrible and their main goal is to make the sports heroes become mentally ill.

[@Auditthetube]

They wouldn’t let that man finish a single sentence

[@leecorcoran6174]

Mike Tyson had a brilliant fight when he was 19 against Jessie Ferguson and it taught iron Mike so much , he’s said that on the record 🥊🥊

[@sashaenglish2755]

Can we please have more of Duke on here.

[@DivineBeastZero]

Personally think he'd steam through most top 10's, let him show up the old fighters that have held up the division for 10 years..

[@scottigertiger6430]

Allen said he wouldn't fight him . Would take a lot of money for him to reconsider that.

[@jimtheburrito4080]

Held back for who he needs to go up the ranks a top 50 next then let’s see

[@geraldleuven169]

Itauma vs Bakoli would be a great fight.

[@Wobra1]

For Bakole.

[@RBC0405]

Both are dossers.

[@KennyWAMeadon]

DM is the only pundits on the mainstream worth listening too. The rest are brasses. Plain and simple. Duke should be at the BBBofC. A sound boxing mind.

[@AdamColbert-yl5ut]

Duke mckenzie tv needed on KZbin

[@LA_BIÈRE_CHAUD]

I agree with Duke. Send him to America to spar with vets like Jermaine Franklin, Johnny Rice, etc. Let him learn behind closed doors and on small-hall shows before you throw him in the deep end of the pool. Moses is having everything his own way right now. Frank should not make the same mistake Eddie made with AJ. Let's not forget it wasn't that long ago when AJ was easily knocking everyone out, too. AJ would have benefited from 10-12 fights against skilled journeymen and gatekeepers, but Eddie only saw dollar signs. AJ never developed the tool bag you need when you face elite fighters who aren't going to jump on the floor the first time they get hit. Moses does have some defensive flaws. He needs to tighten them up before he takes on world-level fighters.

[@BigAlCapwn]

Jordan is such a Fury fan boy. Otto Wallin wasn't built up to be a "world beater" to make Joshua's win against him look better, he was built up to make Fury's narrow escape (cut eye that should have been rules a TKO loss) look better than it was

[@samrose1872]

Tough watch this with the constant talking over.

[@jakenewman8247]

I agree sometimes fighters need to be pushed forward or slowed down Moses need to take he’s time and build slowly anyone in the top 5 will smash him to bits he needs rounds and more experience

[@noelroche794]

Considering Dubois never won a round in the fight with usky and then quit, unless usky goes on a drastic decline there is no way Dubios beats Usky, he'll get stopped again, different levels!

[@CanadasBoxingChannel]

Please, please, just let Duke speak. 🙏

[@cylok2871]

Charles Martin came way too early for AJ who was still learning his trade. After that every fight was a world title fight and this in hindsight hampered his development

[@David-ce1nh]

Itauma is ready now. The fastest handspeed and natural power of any Heavyweight since Mike Tyson.

[@easygroove3204]

let him fight now,young and fit.

[@VicArndale]

Talk [over the invited] sport [and] boxing [experts] 🗣

[@shawnthaicon2586]

Finally somebody with sense..slow the hell down

[@christophernewman-rw9vu]

"We have been guilty of building people up to something they're not" - errrr, yeah, tyson fury springs to mind

[@Bigtuff123]

Undefeated amateurs that have won everything there is to win are not usually the candidates for losing to a journeyman

[@suitabledjs]

Dave Allen will get flattened 😂😂😂

[@Enty94]

Why are they dismissing duke? Like others have said its frustrating

[@paulbeach6179]

Dave Allen doesn't want Moses he knows he has been a punchbag for the big boys and doesn't want that again. He knows his level, stick him in with Wardly not Chisora or Allen

[@woodzrc3128]

0:20 no you built him up to he a world beater to justify him battering fury. AJ just showed the level between him and Wallin. Simon was a fury apologist until he got on bed with boxer. He still will be if its fury over a black lad because his racism can't help but come out.

[@herb2078]

People are completely mad, he’s beat no one and is a baby in heavyweight terms! If he goes in with Dubois, fury, Parker, wilder, Joyce, Usyk, Whyte, even chisora he’s getting beaten or struggling. People with no idea of boxing talking about him being the youngest world champion is ridiculous. He’s hopefully going to be a world champion but is still years away, guide him properly and built him up.

[@Liamw565]

It’s too early to be throwing him in with the elite but hes good enough to beat top 15/fringe top 10 guys already, he’s not years away at all

[@internal_force_fitness781]

I think a good fight for Moses now would be against David Adelaide. They both got that Kill or be killed mentality. Apologies for the graphic example.

[@theasianjaywalker4455]

I don't think many people are saying he should immediately go in with the Top 10 guys. Some think he could starting working up that Top 20 for the next few bouts, I'd say the Mike Tyson progression can be done and he can be some sort of champion (probably one of the belts) given a year. That said, I hope they don't feel like it has to be done to 'break a record' type of thing. If it happens it happens.

[@EugenioRodriguez-rr7nw]

Itauma vs fabio wardley would be a great fight for him next

[@herb2078]

@@Liamw565 I think there’s a huge jump in calibre from the guys just outside the top 10 to the guys in the top ten, personally I don’t see him beating any of the top guys for a good couple years. Obviously not the same calibre of fighter at all but the fisher fight was a perfect example of young lads getting put in with experienced hardened fighters. It’s going to be great watching his career though that’s for sure, a mega fight with him and Dubois could be on the cards in the years to come 👌

[@CharlieStevenson-m4f]

Duke McKenzie doesn't stop talking sense

[@dwidnall1]

Frank gets it wrong all the time..."protects" fighters, looks forbthe easiest route to the titles and then when they go into world class or unification bouts they come unstuck.

[@djmorgan823]

Look at douboir, frank pushed him on too early, took a loss to joyce, pushed him on again, took another loss to usyk. Hes finally there now but he was pushed too soon. So i disagree with simon, frank got it wrong, twice. And using tyson as an example, look how his career unfolded after the initial 2 years at the top, he came crashing down hard inside and outside the ring. Hes still a kid, and the hype will overtake his progress if they not careful with him.

[@mdizzle7034]

Itauma is no AJ with little experience. The guy says he's been boxing since 9. He's far less likely to be old manned by a wiley old veteran. The shout about going to the states and avoiding the pressure is a good shout. But holding him back whilst he ages and his youthful aggression dissipates is a bad call. Dave Allen too soon? No chance, Dave would get hurt if he took that fight.

[@leecorcoran6174]

Ituma vs Joe Joyce , perfect 🥊🥊🥊

[@ralphfigaro4485]

they thought the same for jared enderson...the kid not ready

[@andiesmithe1598]

Precisely , he didn’t get to finish a thought

[@treeduck3705]

Spencer loves to talk but he hates shutting up!

[@ashleygaming5461]

Itauma needs to spar (not actually fight) Usyk, that would be amazing for his development. Itauma has crazy potential and as a fan I would already be interested in a fight between him and anybody from the top 10. However, he faced poor competition so far and if he gets knocked out brutally by lets say Martin Bakole, who knows what will happen (maybe he quits?). I dont see the harm in letting him fight a bit more average fighters and an occasional busdriver the upcoming 2-3 years (while sparring with the elite), except for that I have to remain patient while beiing hyped for this guy.

[@Bobsey]

Dave Allen showed nothing new against Fisher. What we saw was that Fisher is useless. Itauma would demolish Dave Allen

[@Andrew-vt4zr]

Simon just talks and talks and’s talks. He never seems to want to finish his question

[@Wobra1]

@talksportboxing Why are my comments being removed?

[@barrybrennan6101]

Moses is a beast unleash him to the world 1:16

[@hughesyrealeastender9367]

I think the fight against Adele that’s already been ordered would be the perfect next fight.

[@adamyeejy-sk9fh]

You either want fast track him or you dont. Simple. Take the Azim route around the houses or take the Usyk/Madrimov/Lomachenko route.

[@travelreality176]

Itauma should fight Fisher or Wallin

[@lionheartthemuss]

Had to stop watching Simon and Spencer were interrupting Duke too much...

[@Ryan-bh9yg]

biggest talksport fail of 2024 *GAME CHANGED*

[@Pigeoning]

McKean has zero power. When you have nothing to worry about coming back it's easy to walk through a guy. Same with the last opponent. These aren't step up fights, they're sacrifices. Let's see what he does in a real fight.

[@mmlentertainment]

Put him in with Charles Martin

[@hendrix9087]

Long live THE DUKE 💪🏽😎

[@mesutozil9486]

While I get the sentiment, Itauma ain’t Johnny fisher let’s be clear

[@lfcspectre4335]

Super Unbeatable Jordanite = Top LAD Proper Clobber ✊👊

[@hughesyrealeastender9367]

Dave Allen don’t want nothing to do with Moses lol

[@gredax]

because he knows its a 1 round ko for him

[@Shroft112]

All they ever want to do in boxing is hold fighter's back and that's why they all flop when it matters because they never get tested on the way

[@leecorcoran6174]

Moses was an outstanding amateur and his really exciting BUT im going to wait and see what happens when he gets caught with a good shot , and see how he handles it 🥊🥊🥊🥊

[@Andrew-vt4zr]

If I was Duke McKenzie I would’ve taken out my phone and start playing candy crush

[@royalzee248]

They're winding me up big time here, only casuals fell for Eddie Hearn's Fisher hype. He's always been a ticket seller and gimmick fighter. Another Connor Benn and Campbell Hatton

[@BrAnDoN67k]

They need to say Mose's last name properly. it's It-auma not Itooma 😂😂😂😂😂