Mossberg 500 .410 Turkey Pattern Testing W/ Herter's TSS - Stock XF & Winchester Full Chokes

Today, we test pattern the Herter's TSS loads from a Mossberg 500 .410 Turkey at 40 yards with the stock XF choke as well as a Winchester full choke. These were definitely some interesting results to say the least, so stick around and find out what kind of performance we can get!
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Matt Tyree
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Shoutout to the Blue Collar Outdoors guys for the idea and design of using the target backers for this pattern test

[@ScottWhalen-ff3ge]

Great video! Thank you.

[@Bloucherford22]

What is you best choke/ammo combo with that gun? I have the same one.

[@vincehoffmaster-dx5jw]

Great pattern’s. I picked up 4 Boxes last week. Will Try this weekend. Shooting a Mossberg SA 410 Indian creek .385

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Sounds like you got a good setup. I bet that .385 is gonna work well with them

[@johnbowhunter7676]

When I bought apex ninja last year it was $60 for a box of 10…. It patterned awesome in my Stevens…. I liked the Winchester choke in your gun over the factory choke, much more even pattern with less voids.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

The Apex loads are definitely on the list for shells I want to test out since I know they typically pattern well. I was surprised at what that winchester full choke did. Definitely a more open core, but less voids like you said

[@rodneylingle]

I have a REM 20 and a Winchester 20. Shoot TSS no 9 in both. I use the factory Full in both guns and the pattern is great in both guns. I think the patterns are more uniform when you don't use xtra tight chokes.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Yeah I've seen the larger shot like 8s and 9s perform a little better through more open chokes while the smaller shot like 9.5s and 10s seem to like a little more constriction. It's something that I plan to test once I get my hands on some more loads and chokes

[@mitchelldexter1901]

EXACTLY I used to use a blackout turkey choke and the damn pattern was SUPER tight and clumpy and had a ton of fliers. I measured 300 pellets in a 10 inch circle at 40 yards. Now I use the factory full at of my Mossberg 20 gauge and it is a beautiful uniform pattern with a lot of leeway and I get about 200 pellets in a ten inch circle at 40.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

@Mitchell Dexter yeah, I've seen similar things. I've got a Mossberg 835 ultimag that I run the factory full choke for turkey hunting. I have never even tried a dedicated turkey choke with it because the full just patterns nice and even out to 40 with no issues. It's another gun that I want to film some tests with at some point as well

[@jnie370]

Great info. Thanks

[@kevinward508]

Federal sucks with the flight control wad,I personally think the lower weight shells shoot better then the higher weight ones do,when you start shoving more pellets down a tite choke you will get a lot of flyers less pellets tighter patteren,I shoot a 7/8oz hand load with a great patteren at 40,tried a 15/16oz and it was spread way out there

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

You definitely need to find the balance that your setup likes. Too tight of a choke with a large payload can definitely blow open

[@kevinward508]

I am shooting 9.5's out of my gun with a sumtoy customs choke.I am about to get Mt tristar viper 410 and I am going to have to do my homework all over again

[@theeverlyboys8725]

Try the federal tss in the full choke. My 410 with full choke shot better with the full choke then the extra full

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

That's definitely something I have on the list to test out. Hopefully I can get it filmed soon

[@curtiswireman6351]

My factory choke likes the Wilson customs 10’s and apex. Indian creek choke in .390 liked 9’s better. Same gun.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Yeah that makes sense. The 10s typically like a little more constriction like the factory choke, but the 9s seem to do better with slightly less constriction

[@timjones8184]

It's my understanding that Winchester makes herters

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Yes, you would be correct. Herter's is loaded by Winchester for Bass Pro and Cabelas as their in house brand

[@abengtebaran5346]

I prefer the extrafull choke fantastic from the tested shots you made its shows alittle bit of groupin on the targets.like your shows honey.😊👍😳

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

It's definitely a good pattern either way!

[@burkejones8277]

They shoot great in my 20 gauge. Almost the identical pattern I get from Apex. I like the full in this video.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

They are definitely sleepers for what they are. That full choke shoots surprisingly well. I want to do some more testing with it to really see what it can do

[@cameronschweitzer3382]

For the money verdicts are better there the same price and better rounds

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

The Verdict stuff is definitely on the list of things I want to test out. The problem is when you order ammo online, I have to pay most places almost 20 bucks to ship it to me. So at that point, the ammo costs quite a bit more per shell then what the price appears to be initially

[@saltcreekammo]

Impressive performance for a cheaper name brand load.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Wow, I definitely didn't expect to see you guys in the comments! I definitely have the Cold Turkey loads on my list of shells that I want to get my hands on and test out of this setup

[@saltcreekammo]

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[@robertthaxton820]

Excellent review and very helpful.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Thanks! I will have a bunch more videos coming out over the coming weeks and months on these shells as well as a bunch of others, so stick around!

[@juliusjames5577]

I sure do like my Winchester LB XR shells 12 ga. and no reason to spend the big bucks on Tungsten. But I sure am impressed what they are doing for the .410.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Yeah I like them too. I have a video out patterning the 12 gauge longbeard 6s already and I have filmed a couple other longbeard tests that I'm gonna be posting soon. The problem with lead loads in a 410 is that you need the larger shot size to retain energy, but the pellet count and pattern suffers drastically, which is where the tungsten stuff comes in

[@burkejones8277]

I agree 100%. The 3.5 inch LB XR #5 Magnums (1050 fps) is hard to beat out of my 12 gauge. But I set up a 20 for next season; probably use both along the way.

[@juliusjames5577]

Yep, same shell I use out of a Winchester SX3 with a Rob Roberts .655 choke.

[@zachschoels8597]

Was hesitant on buying these until now.

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Yeah, they seem to perform great, especially for the price and only being a 3/4oz payload

[@troyrussell4733]

Apex, Rogue, or Verdict

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Definitely all great loads that I'd like to get my hands on to test out

[@troyrussell4733]

@@matttyreeoutdoors I have a Patternmaster Code Black Turkey in my set up. All three of those loads throw a ridiculous pattern. It is unbelievable what TSS has done for sub gauges. I may never take a 12ga again. I have a 410 and M2 20ga. No sense in taking a mule kick if ya don't have to. LOL

[@joshsinglefooter]

I wont step down to .410 until TSS #10's are available in rouge or Apex are a main stay. Im just now stepping down from a 20 to a 28g because of rouge 1⅝ #9.5 TSS

[@eduffy4937]

​@@joshsinglefootermec600jr buddy. Buy one for 250 bucks then roll your own for the rest of your life

[@littlejohnny210]

Big name brands are usually lacking shot. It shot ok for what it is. Scoop up some Viper Ammunition, and a Patternmaster Code Black Turkey it's an insane combination!

[@matttyreeoutdoors]

Yeah, it wasn't bad for a budget load. I definitely have both of those on my list of stuff I eventually want to pick up and test out

[@-B_G-]

What is Viper ammo website if you don’t mind? I can’t find em to order.

[@littlejohnny210]

​@@-B_G- here's a link to their face book it has all the information you need. If you need anything else let me know!

[@-B_G-]

@@littlejohnny210- thanks man!

[@-B_G-]

I cant see the link. Idk if it’s a KZbin thing or what.