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@vincebagadonis8016 Сағат бұрын
It's good range ammo, I'm not gonna waste federals at the range!
@philgreco3803 17 сағат бұрын
Miss the Remington Copper Solids. They were fine slugs that were quite consistent, accurate and exceptional on deer.
@billm2078 18 сағат бұрын
The pattern is very vertical.
@prtech7805 18 сағат бұрын
Oh remember S&B and Ealy and black 2 1/2 shells. These are powerful than 2 3/4 quater standard shell.
@guardianminifarm8005 19 сағат бұрын
Interesting. Thanks for testing this combo. Could be worse but it could be better. As a home defense option at those ranges this would be very effective.
@everythingoutdoorswithjerr5263 20 сағат бұрын
Can you try them through the Kicks Buckkicker?
@daltonemfinger840 20 сағат бұрын
great video never heard of those shells
@bestestusername 21 сағат бұрын
I promised myself i would never do it but....1st😂
@timg7627 5 сағат бұрын
Shoulda kept your promise. You're better than this 😉
@bestestusername 3 сағат бұрын
@timg7627 😂
@davefreeman1499 22 сағат бұрын
I have some old #6 duck and pheasant loads that i use for turkey.They work for me.
@wasntmeXYZ Күн бұрын
I tested some of these exact same shells and load in my MB930. They worked very well but the recoil is very high and I’m not recoil sensitive at all. These are excellent for hunting but I can’t recommend them for home defense because of the high recoil. This makes it very difficult to get quick follow up shots. JMHO.
@matttyreeoutdoors Күн бұрын
I honestly didn't notice any extra recoil over most other average hunting buckshot shells
@FISHUNTREECOUNTRY Күн бұрын
Lets see it from improved to full
@matttyreeoutdoors Күн бұрын
We actually do have a video running these through the full range of chokes side by side, just look for "what's the best choke for the Hornady Magnum Coyote shells" and you'll easily find it
@wolvesnight 2 күн бұрын
I will stick with my Apex mossy oak green leaf..blend. using a Pattern Master Black Mamba.. in a 870 remington... All i can say is what a pattern.!!!! And they do reach out too. Not cheap,.. but well worth the $$$$
@mrsmith9079 2 күн бұрын
You're much less likely to get even/uniform patterns when your pellet count is that low. In terms of pattern percentage I'd say this load was pretty good, it just has an unacceptably low pellet count.
@matttyreeoutdoors Күн бұрын
These are definitely down on pellet count compared to a steel 2 or something, but they aren't completely terrible for what they are I suppose
@gleamtarrest6310 2 күн бұрын
$46.00 a box😂...manufacturers are a bit Cray-Cray. If you have a coyote problem and you can afford to shoot those shells you can pickup and move for that price.
@mpdjr77 2 күн бұрын
Nice disciplined approach. Well-spoken. Thank you. Blessings 😊
@matttyreeoutdoors Күн бұрын
Thanks, glad you enjoyed
@mickmacy6161 2 күн бұрын
Minute of Criminal (MOC)
@matttyreeoutdoors 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, they would work for that if you wanted to use these in that situation
@Snailz5 2 күн бұрын
I don’t really see the point of straight 8’s for turkeys. 9’s will stone them to like 65 and they have the pattern density to do it without all that much fuss. 8’s should work to like 75-80, but you’re liable to need to test 3-4 chokes to find what will actually hold that pattern and we have to draw the line at SOME distance where it’s not ethical to shoot a gobbler. I don’t know where that line is, but I know it’s a first down or two short of 75 yards.
@matttyreeoutdoors 2 күн бұрын
I really don't push my turkey shots past 50 yards max anyways, but that would be where a TSS 8 comes into play. Yes, you can get a good bit of range from a TSS 9, say out to 55 yards or so pretty easily, but I don't know about 65 yards. If I was to ever take a long shot like that, I would feel a lot better having the 8s instead of 9s
@Snailz5 2 күн бұрын
@@matttyreeoutdoors 65 is about where penetration gets a little dodgey for 9s. What I'm getting at is why use less pellets to hunt at the same distance when the smaller pellet kills just as well? 8s don't make sense when 9s will perform just as well. The same argument goes for 9.5 honestly. 10s are where you just start seeing too many fliers to be worth it from most patterns I've seen. Use the smallest shot size and the most open choke you can while still being effective at your max range. This gives you the most leeway at shorter ranges.
@jamescannon4917 2 күн бұрын
You got to reload for the 35.😊
@matttyreeoutdoors 2 күн бұрын
I will probably have to at some point
@ThomasTucker-w3z 3 күн бұрын
Scope and mounts need replaced
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
No, it was an older relatively cheap scope and it just failed internally. The rings are perfectly fine
@Frenchbroadcatman. 3 күн бұрын
Can't shoot it through the stock extended choke😢
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Yes, you can run these through the factory extended choke. I assume yours is labeled for lead only, but they just stamp that on there so people don't run steel through it. I've run TSS through mine with zero issues, and the choke is made from the same steel as any other turkey choke is, so you won't have a problem doing it
@Frenchbroadcatman. 2 күн бұрын
@matttyreeoutdoors great but for the price I don't see me buying any
@wildcatsurvival 3 күн бұрын
Can you test 00 buckshot flite control 12 gauge 60 yard maybe
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
We actually do have a number of tests up on the channel with the Flite Control shells. I don't know if we've tested them at 60 yards yet, but I'll see what I can do
@wildcatsurvival 3 күн бұрын
@matttyreeoutdoors thank you. Just curious what is the results of 60 yards on those.
@Blackpanther_risen 3 күн бұрын
For $70, it’s the same as a $50 Federal tss. I think I’ll stick with the federal
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
I have never seen anything impressive from the Federal TSS shells. For 50 bucks, I would just stick to the Herter's TSS shells since they are some lights out performers
@carlbunner5515 3 күн бұрын
Fed copper no.4 buck is by far my fav coyote load. When it patterns and it usually does it hits like Thor's hammer
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
For a pretty basic loading, the Copper Plated shells have pretty much always been consistently good performers in my testing
@carlbunner5515 3 күн бұрын
@matttyreeoutdoors agreed
@carlbunner5515 3 күн бұрын
@matttyreeoutdoors several hundred yotes have see that pattern from me
@coyoteodie4458 3 күн бұрын
What choke are you using with those 4's?
@carlbunner5515 3 күн бұрын
@@coyoteodie4458 rem 870 or 1187. With either a jelly head or truglo
@lyledavis8094 3 күн бұрын
Just a suggestion. Whenever you find a load that patterns well at 40, hop back to 60 and lets see the results. Id like to see that on both buckshot and turkey.
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
That's definitely a valid suggestion. We may do that with some of our best performers depending on how many shells I have of them
@M.H.D.actual 3 күн бұрын
This is a really great idea, all of the top performers should get a 60 or even further test.
@zekethefishgeek8690 3 күн бұрын
Agreed on 60
@zekethefishgeek8690 3 күн бұрын
@M.H.D.actual yep
@Cr0wmagnum 3 күн бұрын
I will take that all day long! That would be devastating for coyotes. Thank you, Sir, for another great video.
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Yep, definitely can't complain too much about that
@Snailz5 3 күн бұрын
Is this the best buckshot hunting pattern on the channel yet?
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Nope, not by a long shot. The top three performers were the Winchester Supreme 00 shells through the Patternmaster Black Mamba choke, and both the Remington Express 000 and Winchester Military Grade 00 buck shells through the Buck Kicker choke
@Snailz5 3 күн бұрын
@@matttyreeoutdoors Is it the best 4 buck pattern?
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
@@Snailz5 It's pretty close, but that honor might go to the Winchester Super X 54 pellet 4 buck in the Mossberg 835 with the Kicks .680 choke
@noid9798 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for the info 🎉
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@guardianminifarm8005 3 күн бұрын
Excellent results. I agree that 60 yards would be more than viable on coyote. Smoking coyote for sure. Huge thanks.
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Yep, definitely can't argue with those kinda results
@rickvann3489 3 күн бұрын
It's good to see some turkey testing, gets me out of my hole in the winter... good video once again, Matt.
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Yep, we will be getting back into more turkey testing soon, so there will be plenty more on the way
@barnypt1 4 күн бұрын
I think the 35 rem is one of the most underrated rounds out there. 1. It is a great brush or midwest/eastern woods gun. Also it is a very good black bear gun. I shot a 265 lb Mich black bear with one shot. It went 15-20 yds and fell right there. I have friends who use the same cartridge and have had the same results! I also think it could be a great round for straight walled cartridge states because it has similar power, velocity and distance as such cartridges as the 350 legend and 360 buckhammer etc. The only difference is it is necked down slightly. I have gotten my best groups with the Rem Core lokts of .5-1.2 groups at 100 yds but after watching this vid I may be in the market to try the Lever revs rounds. Personally I think the biggest thing with this round is the heavier wt bullets. I could never get great groups with the lever revs in the lighter rounds like 140-160 grains but as soon as i went back to the 200 grains rounds it shot much better. My friends also have the same results. I think companies need to keep making this round it serves a purpose more so than people think!
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
I have always wanted to take a bear with this one, I've just never had the chance since getting my last two with a 308. It's unfortunate the the scope failed in this test, but this rifle really likes the Hornadys way more than the Remingtons I tried several years ago
@lfcox5660 4 күн бұрын
As good as #4 lead Winchester longbeards work the price of the TSS shells would have to plumet in price.
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Yeah, if you don't want to spend this kind of money, a classic Longbeard 4, 5, or 6 will do the job just fine
@lfcox5660 3 күн бұрын
@matttyreeoutdoors it's more about the need than the want to spend the money. I don't see the need....#4 lead patterns good for me. The pellets are easier to find in the meat than a pellet that's on the verge of being microscopic....if I do happen to bite down on a lead pellet it's not as likely to break a tooth as TSS will.
@antichrist_revealed 4 күн бұрын
Did the barrel get scratched by the pin holes in the wad where the shot went through it? Or you reckon the pin holes developed going through the choke?
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
No, the barrel is perfectly fine. Those pinholes and tears happen when the wad squeezes through the choke. This is exactly how almost every wad looks after going through this choke, so it was nothing out of the ordinary
@antichrist_revealed 3 күн бұрын
@@matttyreeoutdoors Good to know.
@burkejones8277 4 күн бұрын
That is good, but I will stick with Herter’s. I still have a few boxes of Apex that will shoot first, but I just bought some Herter’s the other day. Apex went up. Herter’s didn’t. But I should be stocked up for a few seasons now.
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
It's definitely hard to argue with those Herter's shells, especially with them being half the price of these
@yomomma107 4 күн бұрын
.670 is usually the ticket for the 835 depending on the load. I've got a patternmaster code black turkey .665 choke I'm going to pattern if It ever warms up a little. Great video Matt you're keeping the 835 alive 👊😎
@dwaynelinkous2159 4 күн бұрын
Very impressive, would love to see them make a 20 gauge. Didnt know Herters was made by Winchester.
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
They do in fact make these in 12, 20, 28, and 410. I don't have a 28ga, but I will be doing tests with them in all the other gauges soon
@lukea2806 4 күн бұрын
~2.5 oz of TSS Kills on both ends, plus your wallet!
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yep, it definitely does
@lfcox5660 4 күн бұрын
That much shot is over kill...small and shouldn't be promoted as long range killers.
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
That is not true at all. This is TSS, not lead. These TSS 8s hit like a lead 4 would, so they are easily capable of 50 plus yard shots. With the smaller pellets, it gives you a more dense pattern with less voids, allowing you to have more leeway and a higher margin for error with your shots
@lfcox5660 4 күн бұрын
@matttyreeoutdoors 8's hit like #4s...ha. I just happen to know that one #4 lead pellet is twice the weight of a TSS #8. Ad this up...a #4 lead pellet is twice as heavy.... plus, the one I shoot the 3.5" 2oz Longbeard #4 is exiting the muzzle at 100 fps faster than the smaller and lighter weight TSS #8. Think about that before you drink the kOOl aid.
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
@lfcox5660 Haha, ok man. I'm not going to be the one to argue with stupidity, but I'm sure someone else with at least 2 working brain cells will chime in before too long since you couldn't be more wrong here
@antichrist_revealed 4 күн бұрын
Having taken 3 turkeys over 60 yards with #5 Longbeard, and many others over 50 yards with the same, I speak with experience. I agree with it being an over kill on the number of pellets in that load. But tests have proven TSS to have much more penetration ability than lead. (TSS 8= 1.7 gr, Lead 4= 3.3 gr) This is due to two factors: TSS retains its weight and does not deform. Lead deforms and upon impact loses momentum. The second is a smaller diameter pellet can penetrate with less resistance than a larger one can if it can retain energy. Retaining its size and energy is what makes the TSS capable of larger lead shot abilities. Being smaller, then allows for more shot in a shell thus filling in the pattern holes better. In return, will produce meat on the table for many folks.
@lfcox5660 3 күн бұрын
@antichrist_revealed killing a soft feAthered light boned bird like a turkey doesn't take a lot of penetration to kill
@lfcox5660 4 күн бұрын
At 45 seconds into the video you said that they pretty deAdly....((((deadly on paper targets ?
@308blr2 4 күн бұрын
Could the tighter group at 100 yards be because the projectiles have slowed at that distance and the slug velocities are more similar; and therefore the impacts are closer?
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
I doubt it. It was probably more luck of the draw than anything else. I bet we would have a few flyers if we had taken a few more shots
@308blr2 4 күн бұрын
You have a slug gun that is a bit picky about what it shoots well? Seems that may be a universal characteristic of slug guns.
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
I think it can go either way. I've seen some setups that aren't picky at all, and others that only do well with one specific shell. This 870 is somewhere in the middle. We have found several loads that it really likes, but we've also seen some pretty poor performances as well
@Cr0wmagnum 4 күн бұрын
Very nice, but is it worth the price? I would like to see just how good you can tune those in.
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yep, they aren't cheap, so I definitely think we can fine tune them a little more
@theshotgunscientists 4 күн бұрын
Am I wrong for liking the Herters more? I feel like that’s sacrilegious but honesty I’d choose herters tss over these. As always great video.
@-B_G- 4 күн бұрын
Winchester also makes/loads Herters
@theshotgunscientists 4 күн бұрын
@ yeah I know, I’ve got some of their shells in 16 gauge
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
I'm honestly on the same page with you there. The Longbeard TSS shells have been pretty impressive so far, but for the price, you just can't argue with the Herter's stuff. They have always been super impressive as well
@burkejones8277 4 күн бұрын
If you are wrong, that makes 2 of us. I agree with you.
@guardianminifarm8005 4 күн бұрын
Impressive results but I don't think we should be using gold for bird shot. Not me.
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yeah, they definitely aren't cheap, that's for sure
@lfcox5660 4 күн бұрын
@@guardianminifarm8005 I'm surprised Winchester drank the TSS kOOl aid...I guess they want to take over the entire market.
@Tyler-dt8cg 4 күн бұрын
I will stick with the nitro brand gets the job done ever time
@craneyguy 4 күн бұрын
Looks like some head choppers. So far I’m like what’s going on here.
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yep, definitely not bad at all. I still think we can tune them in a little more though
@craneyguy 4 күн бұрын
@ I agree I feel like there is more to this, next choke may tell what’s going on.
@bigjhunter7660 4 күн бұрын
U can kill at 80 yards with that ball of shot 🦃☠️
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yeah, you probably could, but I wouldn't be the one to do it personally
@dustinweaver3032 5 күн бұрын
No way it's worth 46 dollars a box
@JeremyGibson-ni5uu 5 күн бұрын
Lead #4 turkey loads will drop a yote at 40
@bestestusername 5 күн бұрын
very nice pattern...but the price!
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yep, they definitely aren't cheap
@thisisgonnahurt2574 5 күн бұрын
federal slug
@billm2078 5 күн бұрын
Price wise, nope.
@matttyreeoutdoors 5 күн бұрын
Yeah, they definitely aren't cheap