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@stevepapierz5625
@stevepapierz5625 5 сағат бұрын
I have the same Remington slug gun and have had the same problems with slug performance, Remington corelock was awesome but you can't find them anymore I will try the Breneke
@shermanwilliams7724
@shermanwilliams7724 8 сағат бұрын
Man I'm so sick of the lead contamination crap. When the democrats give up there disposable AA batteries that cause 5000 times more harm then a bullet in the ground. Then they can come talk to me about my lead ammo.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 8 сағат бұрын
Yep, it's the same with waterfowl loads. It's been proven that steel shot makes no noticeable difference in environmental health like they claim. It just sucks for us hunters having to use a shell that worse in pretty much every way
@guardianminifarm8005
@guardianminifarm8005 10 сағат бұрын
Very good. Thank you.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 10 сағат бұрын
Glad you enjoyed!
@guardianminifarm8005
@guardianminifarm8005 10 сағат бұрын
Looks good so far. A little more testing will reveal more information. Thank you.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 10 сағат бұрын
Yep, I think I want to do a water jug test with these as well to see how they penetrate. Maybe we'll do a smooth bore test with them as some point down the road too
@guardianminifarm8005
@guardianminifarm8005 Сағат бұрын
@matttyreeoutdoors Great idea. Thank you
@danoman5217
@danoman5217 11 сағат бұрын
# 1 buck worked better in my full choke
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 10 сағат бұрын
I've got some 1 buck now, so maybe we'll test them through this combo and see what I get
@guardianminifarm8005
@guardianminifarm8005 11 сағат бұрын
Thank you. Can a guy even safely shoot buckshot out of a 0.710 Extra Full choke? Your results here are not too bad at 40 and better under the 40 mark I would expect.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
Yes, it's absolutely safe. We've tested 00 buck all the way down to a .665 turkey choke with no problems. Would I go any tighter than that, probably not. The 835 is over-bored to a 10ga bore size though, so the choke constrictions are a little different. A .710 is an extra full in the 835, but only about a light modified in a standard 12ga bore
@guardianminifarm8005
@guardianminifarm8005 Сағат бұрын
@matttyreeoutdoors Thank you much. You are doing a lot for the hunting & shooting community. Appreciate the time, energy, resources and thought you have invested.
@StacyHagerty
@StacyHagerty 12 сағат бұрын
Brenneke website shows "Five-shot, 2 1/2" groups at 50 yards" for these slugs.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
If that's the claim, then I think we were on track to beat it. Definitely can't complain about that
@10glocks40
@10glocks40 13 сағат бұрын
Funny you should test this ammo. I've had some recent experience with this ammo myself. Some areas in California only allow smooth bore shotguns and non-toxic slugs for hunting deer. This is just about the only readily available non-toxic slug that shoots well out of a smooth bore. The problem is, California requires that non-toxic ammo be submitted for testing to be certified "lead-free." These Brennekes are not yet on the California "approved list." I contacted Brenneke online, explained the issue, and provided them to California's link to the submission forms and procedure. I actually got a call back from the Brenneke's US sales manager who said no one had ever brought this "California issue" to their attention, and would work to get them approved. California can take weeks to months, to a year or more, to certify ammo as lead-free. I've been watching their list of approved ammo to see if it gets added. I tested this ammo in Mossberg 500 with a smoothbore Slugster barrel and had decent groups, though the rear sight on my Mossberg was messed up. I've got some pictures in this forum thread comparing the slugs to other Brennekes. www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/19789649/1/hornady-300g-monoflex-sabot-slugs
@StacyHagerty
@StacyHagerty 12 сағат бұрын
Thanks for the link. It's a good read!
@StacyHagerty
@StacyHagerty 12 сағат бұрын
I see Brenneke is still not on Californias approved list.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I've heard about a couple states that have specific non-toxic areas now. I'm surprised Brenneke didn't already have something on that list. Typically from what I've seen, Brenneke is usually on top of things like that. I definitely would like to test these in a smooth bore myself as well, so we'll see what happens as soon as I get a smooth bore setup with a scope on it
@paulfrevert3662
@paulfrevert3662 13 сағат бұрын
Id like to see what kind of expansion they have
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
Yep, I definitely want to test these in some water jugs or something to see what they do
@nickpaglia543
@nickpaglia543 13 сағат бұрын
Interesting test was that. ~300 grains, at ~2000 fps, is sort of like a very light S & W 500 Magnum load. I'm going to try some through a Weatherby Orion s x s, 28" barrels , skeet choked, for a final constriction of .725 - .005 = .720". No optics, of course, just a brass bead, so 50 yard shots, none at 100 yards. The slug is probably Tin and Copper, which is Bronze. It seems to be a bronze monolithic solid, which is a type of construction found in bullets for African heavy rifles, .577 NE and the like. Such a bullet construction will not break apart upon a high-energy impact, Dad always ran bronze monolithic in his double rifles. This Brenneke slug just might be the best option for "long range" shotgunning. It certainly is accurate at even 100 yards, and that's saying something, for a 12 gauge projectile. Thanks again for your work.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
I honestly don't know what they are exactly made of. Brenneke just claims that they are some sort of tin, and they are definitely an extremely light weight shell. I'm curious to see how they would do in a smooth bore choked barrel since they claim you can do it. I guess we'll try that as soon as I get a smooth bore setup with a scope of some sort on it
@pensnut08
@pensnut08 14 сағат бұрын
On game performance would be the real question...
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
Yeah, I'm definitely really curious about that as well. I probably will do a water jug test or something with these soon, so we'll see what they do
@paulwylie989
@paulwylie989 14 сағат бұрын
They make good ammo. I'd be very happy with those groups!
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
Yep, Brenneke has always made good stuff. They've had a couple strange ideas that didn't do so well, but it seems like they have their more standard stuff pretty dialed in
@sowsear
@sowsear 14 сағат бұрын
Like you mentioned try em through a smooth bore gun. 👍🏼
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
I definitely would like to do that at some point, I just gotta get a smooth bore setup with some sort of scope on it so we can get a more accurate test
@LarrySledgejr
@LarrySledgejr 14 сағат бұрын
First like
@archer721
@archer721 18 сағат бұрын
I’ve found that 00 & #1 Buck seem to preform better for me out of a modified for coyotes out to 50 yrd. I run a Mossberg 500 28in accu-choke barrel with an extended mod choke. - if I’m using Fed-FC I use an IC choke. I only use a full if I’m shoot 2 3/4 #4 Buck or BB… or shot for upland bird, ducks, grouse, etc.
@carloscoleman7154
@carloscoleman7154 19 сағат бұрын
Mine look just like that I have a factory flush modified choke
@sbhcmcc
@sbhcmcc Күн бұрын
The original black box standard velocity 15 pellet copper coated load was 1,000 times better than these high velocity ones and wouldn’t you know, Winchester discontinued them
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
I don't think I've tested any of the old 15 pellet loads, but the old Supreme 12 pellet loads were the original version of these. They have to same velocity claims and tend to run a little faster than these, but they have patterned better in my tests as well
@10glocks40
@10glocks40 Күн бұрын
I've used these in the 3 1/2" version, which is 15 pellets. My patterns were never as good as a more moderate velocity load, like a Federal or Remington 3" 15 pellet load. I've no experience with this Winchester XX 3" load, but the 3 1/2" load is a shoulder bruiser.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
Yep, I've tested those 3-1/2" shells and I've had the same experience. Pretty disappointing patterns overall and definitely a should bruiser without a doubt
@bestestusername
@bestestusername Күн бұрын
my earlier comment was deleted by youtube but needless to say this load used domestically would be effectuive
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 9 сағат бұрын
I don't know why KZbin deletes comments randomly like that, but I would agree with you there
@bestestusername
@bestestusername 7 сағат бұрын
@matttyreeoutdoors they use an algorithm with the comments and certain words or the way it sounds rings alarm bells. Glad my comment got across😉
@LogisticallyMisrepresented
@LogisticallyMisrepresented Күн бұрын
Naw, Im mad at how they performed. If you gonna hype on velocity, its gotta get there or close. And an aftermarket choke that doesn't wow ya , over a stock choke 😞
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors Күн бұрын
Yeah, the velocity is a little low for their claim, but it's about what I expected it to be. Now, I can tell you that the Buck Kicker choke is absolutely worth the money. It has made the vast majority of loads perform much better when we've run them through it, but that doesn't mean every shell is gonna work better with it automatically, and this was just one of those instances
@LogisticallyMisrepresented
@LogisticallyMisrepresented Күн бұрын
if you flipped the deer cutout the other way, @matttyreeoutdoors , it laughs and says Ha ha, bunches of pellets missed 😸
@BrianSanner-rr6lp
@BrianSanner-rr6lp Күн бұрын
If that is all the better that rifle shoots, it wouldn't be allowed to set in my safe. Just my opinion
@coyoteodie4458
@coyoteodie4458 Күн бұрын
Your justified in expecting better because you spend good money on an aftermarket choke. You expect more for your money.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors Күн бұрын
I don't have any complaints with this load or choke, they have both proven themselves to be good performers. I just expected this combo to do better than what we saw with these shells through a stock full choke, but we instead saw an almost identical pattern surprisingly enough
@nickpaglia543
@nickpaglia543 Күн бұрын
I'd like to see that through a .690 constriction, but ain't got the nerve to do it with my gun, any of them. .690 is exactly what I get out of the .725 bore on the Weatherby Orion s x s, running the full choke, which is a Yildiz Pro, extended, with 1-1/4 inches of parallel. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors Күн бұрын
I plan on testing these through a Patternmaster Black Mamba which is a .690 soon, so we'll see how they do. This Buck Kicker was a .693 and the stock full choke we tested these through previously was a .688, and they both surprisingly look almost identical. I guess we'll just have to see how they continue to perform
@PrinceVegeta-ep8sr
@PrinceVegeta-ep8sr Күн бұрын
they are 71 cent a round now on berelli
@Tonysly7
@Tonysly7 Күн бұрын
Wow
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors Күн бұрын
Yep, it was definitely pretty impressive
@tylertapp131
@tylertapp131 2 күн бұрын
Gahlee, thats impressive as hell. I have an old mossberg 500 with a 24 inch ported vent rib barrel, think this would be awesome to hunt with. By the way do you think you could ever test a gun like what i just talked about with an xxfull choke? Id be curious to see what a 3 inch #4 buck or turkey load would do through that combo.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors Күн бұрын
Yep, you definitely can't argue with those results. I don't quite have a Mossberg setup exactly like that, but I'll see what I can do
@redfoot69
@redfoot69 2 күн бұрын
The 303 British with the 174 gr bullet in mk 1 no 3 was only to get 3 inch max group ; so your doing good with shots; most 303 like 174gr and above for grouping; If your Barrell be cut shorter to sportize you will get less velocity.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors Күн бұрын
Yeah, it was definitely pretty butchered by whoever sporterized it, but they didn't cut the barrel down. Considering that it is on the ragged edge of being shot out, I'll take that kind of accuracy
@Cr0wmagnum
@Cr0wmagnum 2 күн бұрын
That is not too bad at all. I'm rather impressed. Wit both the ammo and the setup.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, it definitely wasn't bad at all for what the setup is
@Kali-T3
@Kali-T3 2 күн бұрын
Would like to see same set up with indian creek 390
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 2 күн бұрын
I don't currently have the .390 version, but I'll see what I can do
@robert4027
@robert4027 2 күн бұрын
i struggle with getting decent patterns from #4 Buck in many of my hand reloading loads.... however on close range cylinder choke the 4 Buck spread is nice for 2 legged uninvited varmint loads
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 2 күн бұрын
I'm not a hand loader, but it seems like loads that are buffered and copper plated tend to perform better based on what I've seen in my testing so far
@thomasmclennon4746
@thomasmclennon4746 3 күн бұрын
Hornady's Versatite wad may look like Federal's Flitecontrol wad, but the shells loaded by these two companies do not perform in the same way. Try them in y'all's shotguns - on paper - and see for yourselves.
@SixTwoHemi
@SixTwoHemi 3 күн бұрын
Considering the barrel length and the choke constriction that’s a C+ B- pattern
@shanesierra8693
@shanesierra8693 3 күн бұрын
What combo would make a A+ pattern?
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Yeah, I'd probably agree with you there
@shanesierra8693
@shanesierra8693 3 күн бұрын
That's what I understand as well. However, not the case in my experience with the .700. I've tried probably 10 different loads. Including the federal flight control mentioned.
@shanesierra8693
@shanesierra8693 3 күн бұрын
I went down that rabbit hole a little over a year ago. I reached out to carlson directly. I was informed that I would only get the advertised 70yd distance and pattern i was looking for with hevi shot dead coyote specifically. They did swap out chokes with me. Now I currently run a carlson .700 in my Maverick 88 28". I've tried Winchester 3in varmint x BB at 50yds. Very spotty and major gaps in the pattern. The best results I had so far have been with Winchester 3in long beard XR #5shot at 50yds. It made a pretty even pattern, not as tight as I would like. However, 50yds is a bit of a stretch for a shotgun, I guess.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
I definitely want to test some of those Hevi-Shot coyote loads at some point, but I honestly doubt they are worth the 100 bucks a box that they are asking for them. I guess we'll see though
@kimbelesky
@kimbelesky 3 күн бұрын
My understanding is that this wad works better with a more open choke.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Hornady typically suggests either an improved cylinder or modified with most loads that have this wad, but we've seen them do much better in tighter chokes a number of times, so I wanted to see what would happen with this combo
@guardianminifarm8005
@guardianminifarm8005 3 күн бұрын
Thank you
@gmanchurch
@gmanchurch 3 күн бұрын
Thanks for making a great video that I can relate to with my limited budget! Please make more videos!
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed! I'm just an average guy as well, so I definitely don't mind testing the budget combos. We've got a ton more videos on the channel and there's plenty more still to come!
@therichie9916
@therichie9916 3 күн бұрын
Always keep in mind not every shotgun likes every load. A different gun with the same choke might do better...or worse.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Yes, that is true, but this was a surprising and unexpected disappointment for a Copper Plated shell
@domvitiello9115
@domvitiello9115 3 күн бұрын
Flush modified did amazing for me the full threw all over the place for me
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
We may try that combo at some point
@larrydavis4730
@larrydavis4730 3 күн бұрын
I have the same rifle and using same ammunition. It’s amazing how well it groups . One hole groups at 100 yards .
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Yeah, it was unfortunate that the scope failed after that first group. This combo typically gives me MOA or better groups at 100 yards without much trouble
@craneyguy
@craneyguy 3 күн бұрын
Agree. The older shells don’t have this. I’m not sure why it’s different now but they are. Is one reason I have went to the BB.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
I'm curious if they are in the process of changing all of the copper plated shells or not. So far, it seems to have hurt them more than help them, but we'll see as we continue to test these I suppose
@johnw4999
@johnw4999 4 күн бұрын
3:29 - 3:37 all the Flight Control type shells, from various manufacturers, are designed for cylinder bore barrels/chokes. Picked up the Kick’s X-Full for my 1301. Time to dig out my inventory of run of the mill 00 Buck and try it out.
@dustinweaver3032
@dustinweaver3032 4 күн бұрын
I just picked up a few boxes of these. I was hoping they would have preformed better. Thanks for testing.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 3 күн бұрын
Yeah, it was a little bit of a letdown to start off with. I guess we'll see how they do with some other chokes
@elhuachito951
@elhuachito951 4 күн бұрын
Flite control are made for cylinder bore.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
That may have been the original purpose, but we have seen them do very well in tighter chokes in a number of tests we've done. I just wanted to see how they would do through a fixed full choke barrel
@elhuachito951
@elhuachito951 4 күн бұрын
I found out that flite control work better out of a cylinder bore than full choke
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
That's not necessarily true. I did a whole video testing that and a cylinder choke was by far the worst. They did much better through the tighter chokes
@craigbenz4835
@craigbenz4835 4 күн бұрын
Neat. I didn't know they still made that stuff.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yeah, Federal makes a ton of options in the Copper Plated line
@Cr0wmagnum
@Cr0wmagnum 4 күн бұрын
That is rather disappointing. I think a couple more shots might be in order. Could be just a fluke of some kind. Thank you for yet another great video.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yeah, I guess we'll see how they do through some other combos
@whiteoakfarmsc2604
@whiteoakfarmsc2604 4 күн бұрын
I bought a moss 500 new in 1984. The manual said never shoot steel with the adjustable choke set tighter than modified.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yeah, I would agree with that. These adjustable chokes aren't as strong as a screw in or a fixed barrel are, so anything modified and under is gonna be fine
@bestestusername
@bestestusername 4 күн бұрын
That's irritating as those federal premium ammo tends to ask a premium price
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yeah, it was definitely a little disappointing for a Copper Plated load. Hopefully we can find a choke combo it likes better
@tommyj1811
@tommyj1811 4 күн бұрын
Thanks for testing. It’s why you test ammo and choke combos. I do think it can do better.
@matttyreeoutdoors
@matttyreeoutdoors 4 күн бұрын
Yeah, I think it can probably do better as well, so we'll see if we can find a choke combo it likes