Most Common Dry Training Error

[@chrisharris6834]

I had a dryfire coach for about 6 months. He addressed this with me, his idea was to dryfire to a 3x5 card. This 3x5 card had written “GRIP PRESSURE” on it. So when I drew to the target, my subconscious mind would read “grip pressure”, it was the beginning of a mental cue for me to be aware of grip pressure on the draw, reloads or anytime I would re-grip the gun. Then my acceptable target was the 3x5 card which then could be refined to the dot on the i. Helped me with a firm grip.

[@BenStoeger187]

That’s an interesting idea

[@EzraLopezUSPSA]

This is actually really cool. Gonna try this. Thanks!

[@John1911]

Dang, Son.

[@tatskamaster]

At what distance would you do this drill with the 3x5 inch card?

[@kenwickes2497]

The one thing that will always affect your shooting is inconsistent grip. Consistent grip might be the most important aspect of shooting pistols.

[@TroyHomenchuk]

This was me!! Thanks for pointing this out

[@eugenewalters5100]

Well, that turned on a light bulb, thank you.

[@justinmoore4088]

@Ben Stoeger You went over this in one of your class videos and it blew my mind... I've dry fired for years and was absolutely something I was doing wrong. I've made the change and have been mildly successful 😂 I'll just keep on keep'n on until it's 100% a habit.

[@swiftaudi]

Drawing the pistol is about presentation (getting the dot) and forming a good grip. This is my focus when I dry fire the draw. I only add in the pressure of time a few days before the match. But be aware of your grip.

[@SVTBansheeman]

I went take a defensive hand gun class last summer. I had NO idea how tight I was suppose to hold the gun. My grip was very loose. I also found out my grip was wrong and my hands didn't fit my g19 all that great. All was easily corrected. It's amazing what in person instruction can do!! I went back and took an ar15 and shotgun class as well with the same guy.

[@jimmysu1762]

This is interesting because all the training videos I’ve been watching on recoil control emphasize a firm grip pressure with both hands. Joel in this course was explaining to me to lessen the grip pressure on dominant hand and crank down with the support hand. Just enough grip pressure with dominant hand to hold the gun up. I was throwing shots consistently to the right (I’m left handed) and occasionally low. Ben and Joel both noticed I was also tensing my firing hand and my groups were pretty ugly under speed or distance. Ben said it this way. I’m going to grip the gun as hard as I can with my firing hand as long as I can run the trigger how I need to.

[@forestrussell-yount1355]

golden video bravo

[@mygoodsir539]

these vids are so good

[@jnewman1991]

How are you liking the ratchet belt compared to the regular wrap over style?

[@jimmysu1762]

Ben was saying how cool it was during this class., that you could get it tighter than needed. So I’m thinking he’s liking it.

[@LRS22LR]

What are your thoughts on 22lr as a training tool like the 22lr CMMG AR bolt conversion and 22lr pistols? I recognize that the recoil impulse not the same but as long as you don’t get lazy with your grip, similar to what you were talking about the dryfire training scar, I would think there could be some training benefits especially if ammo cost is a hindrance to more range time. This would obviously be paired with dryfire and shooing match equipment…but to get more range time for cheap do you see any training benefit to using 22lr?

[@Rubeless]

It doesn’t work for me. The weight is different and that throws me off. I spend more time doing dry runs with my kit. It may work for you though.

[@dylanwatson8468]

I don’t like it. I can dry fire almost everything but recoil impulse which the 22lr just doesn’t do so if it’s to get out and shoot more then good for ya but as a direct training for your 556 ar no not a fan personally.

[@murph240]

any tips for grip with massive hands? fingers over the trigger guard?

[@Rubeless]

Can you grip something better with four fingers or three? I don’t do anything different if I use a Glock 26 vs my 45.

[@murph240]

@HWG-wm8ld I'm 6"5 and palm basketballs easily. There's no room for left hand to touch the gun with most peoples normal grip. If I move up and forward I get some gun connection but asking if there's anything better.

[@murph240]

Full size pdp for reference my trigger hand goes all the way around grip

[@geoffreyrobinson7611]

You unironically helped me with my grip because I was trying to emulate having grizzly bear hands like that to see if I had anything to add. Temper your expectations of how much real estate your offhand is going to really occupy on the gun. I'm 6'3" and I struggle to palm a basketball with my manlet hands. I'm contacting at most a 3/4" strip on the side of the grip panel with my palm, the majority of my contact surface area on the firearm with my offhand is the thumb running in almost a straight line along the top of the frame. The rest of my fingers on my offhand are basically at a 45 below the thumb so my wrist is locked out in similar fashion to the trigger hand. Because you don't feel like your offhand is connected to the gun you're searching forward and disconnecting your hands from each other instead of crushing the gun between them. Most of your offhand is going to be reinforcing the grip of your non trigger fingers on the gun. To make some room for the contact patch on it, lift your dominant thumb high when nestling your offhand into your grip. You're going to absolutely swallow the gun in your hands. All that will be visible is the slide, the front of the trigger guard and what is forward on the frame from your offhand thumb.

[@impactaustria]

I know the struggle... it's the reason why I shoot glock 17s with the large beavertail backstrap. Some Large Frame Tanfolgios with thick palm swell grips might work too. I gave the PDP a shot a while ago, and while I liked a lot of things on it it was just too small, even with the "large" backstrap (which is actually not that large at all...). I actually placed the support hand trigger finger on the trigger guard, but mainly to make room for my potruding trigger finger since with a relaxed trigger finger I ended up with the trigger almost in the first joint, and don't feel like bending the finger a bunch just to make contact with the tip of the finger. Pretty useless on most pistols anyways. Really light precision rifle triggers on the other hand seem worth getting a "proper" trigger finger placement. Your hands would probably feel home on a .50AE desert eagle... but most 9mils are just made for medium sized hands, and almost all of them fail to be properly adaptable for big hands. Most gun companies don't even understand to stretch their "large" backstraps all the way up underneath the beavertail, to also create more trigger reach for larger hands. Most of them just make the hump on the lower half of the grip bigger, effectively just changing grip angle. Idiots...

[@19840b]

Guilty, though getting better at not making this mistake.

[@piotrkomorowski7835]

I have this problem with dryfire that it doesn't translate to my live shooting. I'm IDPA SS class shooter. I dryfire couple of times a week and I really try to do it not only for dryfiring sake but to improve my general skill. So I mind the grip, I practice target focus, trigger pull, work on transitions that seems fine etc. And then comes the training or competition and after the beep it all goes out the window. My grip is the way it was before, I feel like I shoot on index instead on sights, i jerk the trigger and transitions are not that nice either. In there anyway to overcome it?

[@nathanjames7030]

Are you nervous or overexcited by the match environment? If so, more experience and a deliberate effort to calm down should help. Reverting to bad form says you haven't really ingrained the technique you have been practicing. That is, you can use the better technique only if you're relaxed and paying attention to your technique.

[@piotrkomorowski7835]

@nathanjames7030 Thanks for tips. No, I don't feel particularly emotional during competition. Thou I find I can't consciously focus on any particular thing during the stage like for example to hold the gun tight - it all goes sort of on autopilot , if You now what I mean. Just happens. Too many things to consciously monitor after the beep I quess. Is that weird?

[@nathanjames7030]

@@piotrkomorowski7835 I don't think so. You can literally only pay attention to one thing at a time, and shooting a stage already requires conscious attention. Ben has said that if your dry fire is always right it's actually wrong. You need to push yourself in dry fire so that you recreate the problems (mistakes) that occur in live fire. That may mean using complicated drills taking your mind off, say trigger control, then you assess and realize you jerked it.

[@HeihoSG]

One more time for the people in the back!

[@Bane_Diesel]

Sometimes I want to get some sensation of pulling the trigger multiple times while dry firing so I use my DA gun even tho my competition gun is not DA does anyone else do this?

[@DaveandDebe]

No we don't,, definitely want to dry a fire with the gun you are using in competition, that's a given

[@Bane_Diesel]

@@DaveandDebe I dry fire both guns. More repetition on my comp gun.

[@DaveandDebe]

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[@onpsxmember]

Using only DA in dry fire can lead some problems transitioning from the first shot to the first SA pull. Ernest Langdon has a good video about it training DA/SA. That was exactly why I wanted a DA/SA pistol to not have to rack the slide all the time. Maybe that's worth looking into for you to adjust training slightly.

[@Bane_Diesel]

@@onpsxmember until I get better at uspsa I decided not to use da. It is just another thing I need to remember while making ready.

[@goodluck2522]

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[@PewPewNomNom]

I mean, they’re super comfy. Sooo

[@tbenson5966]

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[@Osprey1994]

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[@goodluck2522]

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[@ILicence]

Honestly, on my tiny phone screen it looks like the lower half of a baseball uniform. I suppose those guys know how to be fast, so... who cares? 🤷