Keen Vision in War Thunder Explained

[@pendraig5446]

radio communication is also overlooked too. it is quite useful when someone hit or scouted a hostile tank since it could accurately mark their last known position.

[@fosfan48]

I already was maxing it just because of how cheap it was lol im glad i was

[@kajmak64bit76]

@@pendraig5446 wait what? You're saying the scouted mark in RB gets more accurate by leveling radio coms skill? Omg i need to level it now... xD

[@zeta4687]

this crew skill affect in realistic battle is the most stupid thing ever

[@CUstomlmaoxddddd]

Hit cam is most stupid thing ever in realistic battles.

[@Vrooto]

Gaijin, spend 10k on servers: "No." Also Gaijin: "Spend 100k on trailers."

[@Andy-xn9zn]

If War Thunder is not going to resolve the sound issue I might as well abuse it

[@pendraig5446]

@@Andy-xn9zn you can abuse sounds too, by utilizing soundmods. However, with the battle eye running on background in war thunder... I think it could ban you now.

[@Ambeune]

@@pendraig5446 no, it could not

[@Iron_Soil]

​@@pendraig5446I have a realistic soundmod and its very loud so i hear everything better

[@Andy-xn9zn]

@@pendraig5446 I do not use sound mods, I only abuse how the game uses sound

[@Andy-xn9zn]

@@pendraig5446 I know that even if I am motionless with my engine running, nobody will know I am close to them.

[@tomislavvondrak2614]

they earn so much money and still have shitty servers

[@mufinsp0]

And not making a sequel. Laziest company around

[@Reforger13]

Gayjin 101: add premium vehicles, screw the servers

[@Frenzyv2]

@@mufinsp0 why does war thunder need a sequel

[@osmacar5331]

Cause it's to make you rage buy.

[@memethief4113]

@@mufinsp0 a live service game doesn't need a fucking sequel

[@Papashacks8906]

It’s crazy how I just seen a KZbin video yesterday talking about this and he went into way deeper detail. Keen vision and sound go hand-in-hand for example, the guy set up a scenario where he was on a hill. His teammate was in front of him and an enemy was shooting from behind cover with stock Kane vision you could see the shot to tell where it came from, but you couldn’t hear the shot and this was within 300 400 m but there is some weird thing going on with the machine guns where if you do shoot the machine guns you would hear engine sounds and the sounds of Cannon fire like normal even outside of your vision range

[@Papashacks8906]

Here’s the link to the video

[@Papashacks8906]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mHaVdZppe56Grbcsi=DsWgQSbGcZsoX-PU

[@DawgIVLife]

I mean yea it’s the way gaijin coded the system movement gunfire and MG fire all unmask you to the keen vision system no matter the distance it’s why people complain about invisible tanks firing at them

[@obsidianjane4413]

"Its the servers" That's wrong. The servers have to track every object in the game otherwise you will get desync between the clients. But the overhead for this is very small. All it is is a table with the item ID, velocity, vector, and an XYZ coord numbers. Even the calculations for it are low requirements compared to actually rendering on the client. The game server doesn't render anything. It just does all the physics and rng decisions. This has nothing at all to do with render distance. The "keen vision" is to induce spending to gain advantage (ie; a baked in cheat). The artifacts we see in the game (ie; Gaijinings) are because of the way netcode works when you don't have a 'level playing field' as the server gives and takes as it calculates results based on non player actions and attributes, and then the client has to try to adapt what it gets from the server in to something that makes sense to render to the player.

[@DawgIVLife]

Yea but when you are having to send data to 32 different players with all kinds of pings you want to keep the server to client as fast as possible. If you want the source of where I got the server thing from here it is. warthunder.com/en/devblog/current/836 this dev blog talks about the spotting system after update 1.53

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@DawgIVLife That has nothing compared to the bandwidth necessary for this video to be served to hundreds or thousands of clients at a time. Again, Gaijin does what they do because of netcode reasons. The server has to keep track of all game assets all the time and has to constantly ping the clients even if there is nothing to update. That is a non sequitur. If a game server can't handle it, its because of crap spaghetti code, not because its hard. Just like they choose to hide objects and player icons/tags because it gives them a chance to add buffs for sale.

[@janschmid281]

​@@obsidianjane4413you are technicaly right, but if a client is not rendering another tank, the server will not have to send replication pings to the client. This, as you said, saves very little server perfromance and a bit more bandwith. With there only beeing 64 players the server should be fine even when replicating all object to all player all the time. One other thing could be to hinder cheats. if the client doesnt get the info, cheat engines cant detect the enemy tank.

[@obsidianjane4413]

@@janschmid281 Except there are effective wall hacks that render enemies at range so, while theoretically it could, the game server either just shotguns everything or it doesn't prevent cheats from requesting any telemetry. Knowing Gaijin, probably both. lol

[@feelingnether158]

Also there is this guy on youtube using the bmp4 as artillery literally from accross the map so thats not the servers

[@frazzle620]

one more thing keen awareness does in grb it will trigger the small arrow that points to an enemy you can visibly see but is off your fov, It can save you in quick moments

[@Paronak]

Its a godsend to find those fucking drones or helicopters

[@frazzle620]

@Paronak so very heavily underrated but most people don't have it maxed out

[@Diamond-dl3wu]

Keen vision is really important for spaa cuz the plane or drone is really far away it wont load if it appear on radar u need to zoom in and scan that area just looking up and down trying to find it if the crew is maxed it just appear in a black dot without having to zoom in at all. Once i get it it so dumb but its a grindy game if u okay long enough u kind of maxed everything out anyway I just thinging that its a thing just to bait player into microtransaction

[@whatever3245]

3:22 because they are thieves

[@AXIOSGOD]

Imagine paying for render distance, super crazy. I knew this awhile ago, but I forgot and this highlights how crew skills should just be abolished. I'd rather everyone have equally capable crews, I find it unfair that having higher crew skill could be a deciding factor if you win an engagement or not.

[@hansgruber3064]

3:19 simple, money!

[@DawgIVLife]

Tbf I think more people are buying reload and repair and just getting keen vision when they have extras from playing both of those crew skills are way more p2W then keen vision

[@MozzaBurger88]

And you get some unusual bugs where tanks that you can very much spot, very much close (like 200m-idh),with a very good crew, over some fences concrete pillars suddenly pop in and out multiple times. Had this happen near the C-point in Japan. Mystifying how bad some of these mechanics from a 15 year-old game can be so buggy. And the collisions and destructions being the most inconsistent garbage.

[@skylarmorehead9883]

understanding what is actually going on there would be more worth your time then throwing out your opinions in the form of comments, that are just absolutely wrong. its not a bug its code and it was put into the game on purpose. u just see something and with no understanding of what it is you just come to the conclusion of "welp the game is bugged, what complete shit" do your research

[@herrbusch3339]

For some weeks i have this bug where sometimes the Engine of dead tanks are still on and make sound and smoke

[@DawgIVLife]

I have noticed the smoke one it’s fooled me the other day because I could see it though a wooded area and though the guy was still alive.

[@lukassakamoto4576]

I noticed it too. Most of them we're recently killed and altough they were modeled as destroyed, they still made engine noises like they were still running.

[@nevik2506]

Tracks still rolling too

[@Orca19904]

One thing I wish they would do is to have a little pop-up animation to show the effects of different crew skills like they have for different modules on vehicles that appear when you mouse over them.

[@iamd3ad_ang3l10]

Keen vision is really amazing especially in top tier… sometimes they spot aircraft but they are even visible

[@fagalon9152]

This game needs a remaster tbh, just rebuilt from the ground up. I’m fine waiting an entire year for that because it’s getting to the point where it’s more frustrating than fun, that and the game is nowhere near as comprehensively realistic as ur markets itself to be. The systems are archaic and sometimes straight up stupid/unfair. The code is probably utter spaghetti at this point. I mean ffs DCS is far more in depth with its mechanics and does fine, why can’t war thunder? (Just as it claims to be)

[@DawgIVLife]

Tbf DCS also is still selling a module with no active development or bug fixing. Being the F15E. I personally find that worrying

[@fagalon9152]

@@DawgIVLife Kid named modding/custom module community. Kid named 'Currenthill'. Also thats one controversy caused by a situation between two dev studios, probably the only major one that DCS has had in a while, or at all. War thunders bullshit is caused by the dev team themselves. WILLINGLY.

[@DawgIVLife]

@fagalon9152 while it might be the most major thing ever to hit DCS and it’s extremely sad because I use to enjoy the game, but Eagle Dynamics has the option of being truthful to the community., delisting the F15E from sale or putting up a warning about buying this product none of that has happened.

[@fagalon9152]

@@DawgIVLife Well yeah obviously, im not defending it dont get me wrong. But when we compare the both of them its really just apples to oranges. One is the first of its kind and caused by Inter-Studio complications, meanwhile the other is just pure laziness and profit driven bollocks by the sole development team. Thats all im saying, besides the comparison wasnt "who gets the most drama" or things to that aspect, it was "war thunder claims to be (x) yet DCS does (x) infinitely better while not being incredibly blatant scumbags (or at least not to the degree of GJN)

[@Kyle_Train]

In my nearly 4k hours of playing this game i never had an issue that an tank just vanished in front of me or that an spotted tank just to vanishes , my problem rather is the big waves of players that don´t know shit about this game and buy high tier vehicels just to leave after one death , or when you shot an tank from an angle wher it should not even possible to non pen him but still does a non pen.

[@retteip8276]

The servers are so crap that you can´t hear more then 10-13 engine noises at the same time

[@skylarmorehead9883]

jesus... NO! it literally has nothing to do with gaijins servers. go inform yourself before making up some BS opinions that are just absolutely wrong

[@daLewis_]

Its actually because of FMOD, the game’s sound engine. Its got limited memory allocation so whenever there are too many sounds playing and it exceeds that memory limit, some sounds will just not play. Fmod isnt a good alternative anymore because of that but gaijin wont switch to better sound engines (like WWISE). Still a gaijin issue but not server related.

[@skylarmorehead9883]

@@daLewis_ false bro theer is a video o fit on YT its code

[@daLewis_]

@ it actually is the reason. Im a sound modder and ive spoken to other modders a while ago. Fmod just isnt good enough for a game like war thunder. Maybe there are additional reasons to this issue that youve seen elsewhere but the main reason is memory allocation limit for Fmod. Fmod is also a free alternative, which means its not the best product you could get nowadays, which explains why most of games use other sound engines. But gaijin is keen on using outdated technology…

[@daLewis_]

Besides, if its code as you claim, would you mind sharing a link? Im curious

[@mab2187]

For the longest time I nvr noticed that I can't hear enemies, but I did know of rendering in this game, the max render is 20km, sometimes things would pop up at 15-16km away, cuz in ground I usually can hear enemies, since the avg battle doesn't make a situation where a person is silent. But now that its confirmed this game has a rendering thing, even tho its trivial I still want this to be fixed. I quit WoT cuz of the RnG and pay to win things, I don't want WT to be like this. Gayjin needs better server, WG improved their servers, Gayjin needs to to do it.

[@thedreadednortherner2351]

As if I've been playing for what 10 years and didn't know this. So many situations where thing just dissappear at range have now just been explained to me 😂😂

[@CrispyMuffin2]

I know almost every PVP game has the Fog of War system, but war thunder REALLY needs to adjust it. Cause its just too large scale for it to work out of the box And it also explained why i never felt i improved. I just assumed i naturally had dogshit sense of awareness and hearing, even tho i do so much better in every other game lmao

[@RotationBeacon]

Imagina se EVE ON LINE tivesse o mesmo problema...

[@80iTres]

kkkkk Cada público tem o jogo que merece!!! kkkk

[@prizrak-br3332]

1:29 How's that not a WoT meachanic? It's exactly like in that game and I know no other game with a mechanic like that.

[@DawgIVLife]

The distance is totally different between the 2 someone can hide in a bush in WOT warthunder even with the weakest crew looking down the gunner sight so they get the 3x bonus it’s like 1.5km which is pretty long. The thing that gets warthunder player is the 3rd person view which will not render in people.

[@prizrak-br3332]

@@DawgIVLife Sure the distances are different but that is expected since they are two diffent games with different maps if even that was the exact same it could even lead to a copyright issue. But it does work the same way.

[@j.r.linden9679]

​@@DawgIVLife are you implying that if you are using any view other than third person, enemy tanks will always render immediately at any distance?

[@DawgIVLife]

@@j.r.linden9679 somewhat you get a 3x bonus to view range with gun sight or binos and I took at look at a level 8 crew I had which had 500 for line of sight which is about 1.5km as long as you are playing low tiers and progressing though the game normally it’s fine but if you jump directly to a clickbait and get red desert even your gunners view will suffer with crap crews.

[@Rybcios]

I did see some tanks appear out of nowhere but didnt know this was such an issue

[@coucoul38]

The server doesn't care what you are rendering, it still needs to know the position of all player. Maybe it won't send it to you if you can't see them but that a very minor optimisation

[@titan_fx]

Looks like clouds in Air Battle isn't the only features that war thunder player had to deal with 😂

[@wikikomoto]

so i basically only play full real battles for aircraft. does this effect the range that aircraft become visible?? i've heard things both ways, nobody seems to know for sure

[@retteip8276]

Also in naval if a ship goes behind a hill and i follow my shells it just becomes invisible Like IRL naval had distances up to 30 km

[@Hex_Play]

Keen vision should be only in arcade mode

[@OcceanWavess]

I thought it is only for arcade

[@EmpanadaDeCaca]

​@OcceanWavess bro watch the video

[@45atanner]

That would make sense. Ive had it where a plane shows up on my radar but i dont see it in the sky

[@DawgIVLife]

Yea it makes it annoying when it’s already hard enough for some people to spot the black dots but then they randomly disappear

[@FeBloody59]

Honestly i dont notice the diference in Ground RB from 0 to max keen vision Very VERY VERY rarelly see something just pop in, still pointless to me

[@carllinden533]

The concept of this bugs me, but then I think just because I can see & hear tanks from a convenient 3rd person perspective with my own engine sound reduced in settings doesn't mean the crew can lol

[@y.m.9277]

Is there a list of render distances tho? for example level 1 Keen Vision render Planes at 10km, level 5 renders tanks at 3km etc?

[@DawgIVLife]

Just hover over the skill of the crew members and it will tell you

[@standingwithchrist8844]

My problem is in air rb no matter jets or props ill be able to see somone 30 40km away but then a guy pops up 3km right in front or behind me. No smoke trails or dots to be seen or sound, along with rwr not saying much.

[@standingwithchrist8844]

And yes my keen vision and awareness is maxed out.

[@V3ry_Ep1c]

@@standingwithchrist8844 its also has happened to me where after i look back i dont see anything and a milisecond later im gunned down with no warning

[@DawgIVLife]

Yea the spotting system in air is kinda annoying, it sucks because it’s a system built on time of day weather etc so on a clear day you will see fine but if that match was a evening or night match the spotting system goes way down.

[@Ricktheminer]

Ngl this should be removed

[@prizrak-br3332]

Keen vision is purely client sided mechanic, the server has to render everyone anyway, there's nothing to this other than a gameplay mechanic.

[@DawgIVLife]

The server sends the data to the client after a person has been spotted server side it’s not just client side

[@prizrak-br3332]

@@DawgIVLife The resources used to send people data are probably no bigger than the resources used to calculate the spoting system. Other than that if the servers are this shitty it shouldn't be used as an excuse to ad this ridiculous mechanic but rather a reason to upgrade the servers which I'm pretty sure are not even ran by Gaijin.

[@sweadishikeameatbalsguy5200]

yes keen vision is the eybal MK2

[@Gibbo263]

Also happens in Air RB

[@retteip8276]

5:36 they do see everyone at the starr of the match

[@rodneycook3674]

I wonder if the improved optics modification behaves in the same way.

[@DawgIVLife]

It does, it improves keen vision basically.

[@pellethrane2940]

Welp, would be cool if keen vision actually works

[@ЕленаСереж]

Very cool mechanic for a game pretending to be a simulator

[@bkthrill]

Is Repair Speed needed in RB if you allow the tank to auto fixed and armed?

[@DawgIVLife]

@@bkthrill if your talking about repair speed where you can upgrade the ranks etc that one mainly effects if you have auto repair turned off.

[@Dare_Plays]

That is good only for planes and helis, when you land on airfield to repair and rearm. You have to lvl up the ranks in order to get the fastest repair and rearm time possible. Thats why i always do a belly landing, its faster, safer and i repair in like 8-12 secs im not sure rn. I repair and take off before the guy who landed with gears. :)

[@bigcbear3785]

We should revolt fr , gaijin makes enough monry to not be worldof tanks

[@jynger8455]

these so called "server side mechanics" do not in any way prevent cheaters, they have everybody's locations from the start of the game, no matter if you got the keen vision or not. Server side control over clients was WT myth that was busted many years ago. Client can grab full net traffic with full stats (location, speed, angle, gear, ammo etc..) of every other player in game at any time.

[@DawgIVLife]

If that was true then why have the guys trying to sell cheats on TikTok get killed by tanks they didn’t see with the cheats? And this was super recent as well.

[@ulfhedtyrsson]

Gaijin's servers are probably from like 2003

[@TazGaming141]

What does targeting do?

[@midnitejmpr9429]

The main thing I can remember atm is it’ll increase you turret rotation speed. It makes quite the difference for some tanks

[@DawgIVLife]

How fast your gun can get on target iirc low skills with that makes your gunner aim with 1 axis at a time instead of both at the same time

[@fosfan48]

​@DawgIVLife yeah makes your gunners aim more efficient and faster

[@SamEichers]

I've been playing war thunder for about 3,000 hours and ever since 2015. I can absolutely verify that this is not what the keen vision skill does.

[@DawgIVLife]

Then what does it do?

[@SamEichers]

@DawgIVLife it only does what it says it does. Literally a useless skill that only affects arcade. The crew skill system has been around since the beginning of the game. Ground realistic battles haven't been around since the beginning if I recall correctly. They never changed the crew skill system to fit the more common game mode of GRB.

[@kiBe-]

It really cant be a server issue imo because the server still needs to know your position at all times anyway. And rendering is really just a client side issue. Possibly also tied to anti cheat as a method that doesnt even fucking do anything in actuality.

[@DawgIVLife]

The sever has to distribute all of that information to each player. In a game where ping sometimes wins the guys fighting over at C is not as important as the guys around you at A sure the server knows where everything is but it’s not sending all that data to each and every player.

[@VFrozzen]

this is not what keen vision does, i can udnerstand that people got them mixed up specially cause in game like world of tank theres something related to gameplay that makes enemies appear and disapear, but in wt is not the case, we all have experienced the aicrafts disapearing after they spawn and the apearing again, but when that happens they all do at the same distances and this changes based on things like maps that have deferent sizes, ive experienced this with maxed out crew and brand new crew, its just random (cause its a bug and that hasnt happened before) and isnt tied to vehicle type, nation or anytthing like that, ive never seen a tank disapear or pop out of nowhere thats just probably people with bad connection/pc. Keen vision is (as stated in the game) the skill of your crew to spot enemies, which changes based on, of course the skill points but also type of vehicle and i dont know if they added more variable this to this (like periscopes, open top vehicles etc) in the last few years, in air rb it helps to spot and mark enemies (you know they name tags and stuff) and in grb it gives you the little arrows on the sides if your screen, i personally even use this to spot things in fron of me, instead of scouting with thermals, or looking behind every bush, i move my mouse away from what im looking at so i get the red ping on the side of my screen and then slowly go back until it goes away, that way i know exactly where the enemy is and its faster and more reliable than peeking and getting shot at, it may (dont quote me on this) help with spotting enemy vehicles with the new voiceline system, so if you have a good leveled up keen vision you will have a further range of spotting the heli/plane and if you dont will you get little to now range, again dont quote me on this cause i personally havent tested this and im not buying a new crew just to test that as for tank disapearing, maybe in arcade if a feature but i cant really talk about arcade cause i dont play it tldr: tanks and planes disapearing in rb and sim its a bug not a feature, keen vision is a game mechanic which work as intended its just that people dont know what it does and how it works (i get it, nobody really explains it on youtube or anywhere so its something you just have to learn with time, i know people who have been playing for years and dont know what the red thingy on the side of their screen do)

[@DawgIVLife]

Go into a replay of a game you recently played the reason you can’t see the enemy players before they are spotted is because of keen vision it records the data from that game and saves it client side for the replay. Unlike if you go though the WT replay website which is a server recording of the game where you can see everybody. That is how keen vision works it has a lot to do with enemy popin etc.

[@VFrozzen]

@@DawgIVLife is not because of keen vision, hold on to something i got new... thats how every game handles part of the optimization, the fewer "things" your pc is working on the better the performance, the problem here is this game was made for the lowest platform you could have at the time, to they took optimization to the extreme, you would think "why would they do that the game is so hardware friendly" well platforms werent so powerfull when they launched the game, thats why on client side you wont see everything cause they cut every corner they could to save on load which allowed people to run on anything (most f2p games focus on optimization cause their money comes from the players base, the bigger the higher chance they have from someone spending), thats one of the reasons we had so many "ULQ" abusers back in the day, nowadays most people can afford a decent platform so they dont use ulq cause it just looks ugly so you dont get shot from spawn to spawn in normandy with 50 bushes in between.

[@Sonofabyss]

thank you!

[@AlphaHorst]

nice another 20 euros to spend or 100h grind for each crew in the game I plan to use because crew skills certainly ate not just P2W in one of its worst forms.

[@perhansen3959]

Warthunder feels more broken than ever before, only works 50% of the time. The keen vision have always been how clearly you see enemy and your ability to aim correct, and have never been a problem before now, until Asian serves got taken down,....so shitty servers so shitty company so shitty game

[@cryonic.]

why is everyone talking about this suddenly

[@DawgIVLife]

Simple it’s a topic that is brought up ever 2 years

[@moxie_ST]

Greeed is strong with gazila 😂❤

[@Zealot2024]

Keen vision is not that impactful in GRB apart from CAS & SPAA applications.

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

So Rigged Thunder is basically another World of Tanks... And of course, don't forget that keen vision won't work against Russian tanks. Those can come next to you without any detection or even without any engine noise... #RiggedThunder

[@Asuka.Langley02]

makes sense in realistic battles, more battle hardened crew would recognise enemy vehicles easier

[@DawgIVLife]

Well in that case add ghost tanks so the crew can say they though they saw a tank or a gun barrel sticking out of a bush

[@Asuka.Langley02]

@@DawgIVLife you already have rocks and bushes at long range for that

[@IrishFoxHound]

When 1 is shot through trees and you can’t see that player who is pc, it’s cheating or it’s low graphic resolution especially if it’s a noob player, which in itself is ingame cheating Cheaters exist in the multitudes

[@georgejpg]

It doesn't make any difference to a server whether vehicles are rendered by player clients

[@DawgIVLife]

Then why do player clients have to ask the server for that data then?

[@georgejpg]

@@DawgIVLife Because War Thunder isn't peer-to-peer lol...

[@DawgIVLife]

So then it matters to the server since the servers sends out all the data for if a vehicle should be rendered by another player

[@georgejpg]

@@DawgIVLife That isn't resource intensive.

[@PatriotXIII]

ESP = see all players, regardless of the crew skills. So cheats / hacks like that are already there

[@johnwalker7592]

ESP is a real thing. Same with aim botting weird vehicles/spaa/bomber crews. There are people who just sit seemingly AFK between the 3.3/5.3 BR range [roughly] on SPAA that will getcha 2km+ out with like 3 shots. Meanwhile you can fly that same plane out in 8.3 with Geotards and of the likes, and not nearly get zapped down as easily... People will suck down a nice cup of cope, and demand there is no hackers in WT like every game. lol

[@whatever3245]

btw how do ur game's colors look so vibrant

[@DawgIVLife]

Editing its a filter cause my normal game looks very muted/gray.

[@clay9181]

1. You can go in Options in the postfx settings and select color correction to contrast 2. You can alter it in your gpu panel (if you have Nvidia there's a "vibrant colors" setting) 3. You can alter your monitor display playing with saturation and contrast (like you did on your TV) Play with it and find what you like the most...I find that keeping a "light-dark" setup with a lot of contrast and saturation gives a real life look and it's especially noticeable in desert and snowy maps

[@Shiny49GER]

@@clay9181 And If you have a proper HDR / OLED Monitor or TV you can also play with HDR enabled.

[@whatever3245]

@@clay9181 i have no color correction setting

[@clay9181]

@@whatever3245 When in the game you go in Options you will find it in PostFX settings

[@johnwalker7592]

this version of keen vision is so freaking dumb. I came back to WT after not playing since like 2014. and was wondering why shit would pop in an out, thought it was apart of the anti cheat- if this is actually true. god gaijin is dumb.

[@interpl6089]

Who cares anymore. Warthunder is near unplayble garbage at top tier (due to many factors) and mid tier gets repetitive quickly and is frustrating due to all of the game breaking bugs, especially sound. The golden years of 2017-19 are gone. All that remains is cash cow of a game. Also, Keen vision kinda proves the game is literally pay to win. You pay for render distance and sound.

[@Tsirkon]

I know it sounds stupid but it makes sense don't you think? Keen vision is pretty much awareness for ground. Doesn't matter how healthy your crew's eyes are, if you're looking the wrong way you're not gonna see the enemy obviously.

[@prizrak-br3332]

1- Even if you are looking directly to them sometimes they won't render 2- This also affect sounds, so you're telling me if I'm not looking at something it doesn't produce sound?

[@intel732]

@@prizrak-br3332 Right. This is a dumb mechanic. Even if the enemy fires their cannon, it still won't make a sound if they're not rendered in... But the mg causes the enemy to render in?? It also causes glitches where some enemies will not have engine sounds if they stop moving.

[@bg6185]

Cheaters already do that hahah lmao... 😅

[@rstebnicki]

This skill is bs, wot mechanic.

[@ricolives1166]

Arcade is honestly the best

[@Dare_Plays]

Arcade is for mentally challenged kids. Sim is for men.