Mother Blames Cancer Medication for Shooting Rampage Against Family | Annamaria Gana Case Analysis

[@kearlanventures]

That little boy Alfonso had the wherewithal and courage to pick up the gun and run outside! Both children will be scarred for life but the boy likely saved at least one more life…

[@terrybeasley5931]

Why do some suicidal people want to take others(family or even strangers) with them? You have the right to think that YOUR life is not worth living, but you DON'T have the right to make that choice for others.

[@kateashby3066]

Well, she wasn’t sui- cidal for one, obviously.

[@kiwioffgrid2437]

They don't, the medication affects people's mental state similar to Big Pharma psychotropics.

[@oregonsnob31]

We don’t have the right to take our own lives though. Many countries ban this including US

[@Fractal_blip]

Perhaps if she were more aware of these rights this tragedy would have been prevented. Clearly the concept of "rights" in this context is so inconsequential, its nearly reached irrelevancy to the case.

[@JDoe001]

“Misery loves company?” 🤷🏻 (terrible joke… I have wondered the same and thought the same.)

[@jimcronin2043]

One important fact is the grazing wound to herself. She was intent on killing the family members but couldn't bring herself to do herself in. That appears to be rational thought and goes against the theory of legal insanity.

[@retsaMinnavoiG]

Yeh you don't just 'miss'. Sure, you might not die because of some weird thing or another but you don't actually miss.

[@adrianahewett9557]

@@retsaMinnavoiGnot if you are serious

[@skateata1]

I took ambien years ago. I remember thinking words were crawling across the book I was reading and that the furniture was moving. Turns out I was the one moving. That medication really messes up your psych.

[@NoNonsense316]

I know somebody who tried Ambien. Once was enough... they wouldn't touch the stuff after that.

[@ImNotCallingYouALiar]

My uncle got off Ambien after having suicidal thoughts

[@RussOlson-pl3kf]

Ambien is a crazy strong hypnotic drug. That's part of what makes it effective. The instructions are to take it before bed because it blows your mind if you stay awake through it.

[@janeyrevanescence12]

I’ve been suicidal in the past. But never once did I consider killing my family and or friends. If anything, I planned to make sure that the police would find my body so my loved ones wouldn’t have to deal with the trauma of finding me dead. Thank God I got help and am now longer suicidal.

[@MarioDSLife]

Amazing and well done for working on yourself!💙

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

I'm so happy you're here. ❤

[@sparagmos4748]

I frequently have ideation, but my children make me carry on. They still need me😕

[@johnnichols4532]

It is not about you!!! Most every woman I have ever met and got to know really well, has said they were once suicidal !!!! You are not special !!!! This Anna woman was NOT suicidal, she wanted to murder her husband and get away with it !!!!!!

[@srsusansummers3070]

So happy you are doing well. Take care and God bless

[@Diogenes-II]

We actually need to pay more attention to these medications causing bizarre behavior and reactions.

[@Irosicndosjnf]

I’m not sure this channel does that

[@sugahoney89]

Agreed. My son has autism and I attended a webinar with a psychiatrist who prescribes drugs for adhd and autism and I asked if there are any drugs that don't cause aggression in kids and she said no, they all can cause autistic kids to be aggressive even if at first they work well for the child. Blew my mind. We are playing with fire with these drugs.

[@mcdouche2]

Did you get the jab a few years back?

[@celeca7]

Thousands of people take this medication. Only this woman decided to use it as an excuse to murder her family. It's probably not the medication.

[@StephenMcGregor1986]

Check out the MDL against Stilnox as an example

[@anablackwood6141]

I do believe that the Ambien could have indirectly contributed--my mother took it several years ago and she went NUTS. She'd do weird shit like go outside and feed the stray cats in a combination of nightgown over jeans. She'd wake up in weird places and not know how she got there. And oh my GOD she was mean. Like abusively mean. After she got off it, she apologized for everything and she's now back to the way I knew her as a child. I thank God every day that my husband and daughter never met the mean version.

[@twocents7495]

Yeah, but your mother had insight and motivation to do right, not wrong.

[@DeecentAnimal]

Right, I mean I took ambien and would have blackouts too but I nor your mother ever murdered anyone!

[@oregonsnob31]

@@anablackwood6141 I’m scared! I just started taking this. How long before you started noticing the changes? Did she realize she was changing or no?

[@margaretr5701]

@@oregonsnob31 Please don't be scared, most people can take these medications, just make sure to go to bed when taking a sleep med. I find it helpful to speak with my pharmacist when filling a new prescription, ask them if there's any possibility of negative interaction with the meds you're already taking.

[@Maggiemae01]

I've heard a lot of these types of stories. I used to have to take prednisone and that made me insane. I made my daughter cry one day and I promised no matter how much pain I'm in, I'll never take it again.

[@Anne_Onymous]

When I took Ambien, I kept waking up with my kitchen destroyed and no memory of it. There would be food everywhere and looked like I tried to cook things. But zero recollection. I started hiding my car keys out of fear. After a over a month it got to scary and I stopped it.

[@BabbittdaWabbitt]

My dad was taking the generic Ambien. He went right off the rails. We took it away from him. He was mad about it, but eventually returned to being his regular fruitcake self.

[@LssnLrnd]

Shoutout to your dad!

[@Anabee3]

I'm glad you have your regular fruitcake dad back. He sounds GREAT!😊. Your & rest of fam must be pretty great, too.😊. What a blessing to have such a fam 😊.

[@Fractal_blip]

​@@Anabee3 who hurt u cuh

[@itchysheets1222]

There are many drugs and many seemingly harmless supplements that can honestly make some people seem possessed and change their personality in big ways. I took my spouse’s ashwagandha away, made him so incredibly mean. He didn’t see what the big deal was, until I recorded his behavior and demeanor after he took it one night and told him the next day “this is not you. At least it isn’t going to be you if you want to stay living here.”

[@MakerInMotion]

There's an anti-malaria drug people travelling to Africa have to take the week before and many people turn super angry and aggressive on it.

[@justintime753]

My mother has changed drastically personality wise and empathy wise since the cancer medication shes been on after breast cancer.

[@itchysheets1222]

This is so curious to me. I think this is happening to a lot of people, I’ve never thought about it before this story though. It happened to someone I know too….but it was lung cancer. I’m sorry that happened to your mom, that has to be so hard.

[@Hatbox948]

That's alarming.

[@NicyDelValle]

Same with my mother.

[@juliefisk8066]

My mother is on immunotherapy and she's finding that she's extremely irritable over things that never bothered her before. As with most medications, I don't think people are warned about the more serious side effects... I have more than one autoimmune disease, when my doctor was trying to figure out what medications would work, it was nightmare roller coaster. My ex-husband tried using that against me in our divorce. Wow! Didn't work.

[@itchysheets1222]

@@juliefisk8066 I’m sorry to hear that…I agree, I think most people would still go ahead and take the medications they need to save their life, but it would only be fair to know what could happen when you do.

[@lauriethomasmd3760]

One more exculpatory item: Ambien is well-known to cause bizarre behaviors in people, which they do not remember afterwards.

[@sarahjaye4117]

Made me mildly hallucinate and have palpitations while sedated in bed

[@Tinkerbell.Jumpout]

Like eating spaghettios while naked in your driveway at 4am.

[@dubaiedge]

​@AnonymousQwertyFAR from rare. Far, far, FAR.

[@cecilyremy7899]

It's a hypnotic

[@mydailyangel]

True, I have experienced this-but yeah, murder of my family did not occur.

[@maryd253]

My husband took Ambien in the hospital and took out all his IVs and stripped himself naked, convinced he was kidnapped and was being held for ransom. They had to “restrain” him for 8 hours. He only remembered feeling odd and “having a nightmare.” That image of my husband doing that makes me question every story revolving around these episodes with Ambien. The drug manufacturers need to quit hiding these side effects. The nurse that had to take care of my husband said stuff happens all the time in the hospital with Ambien.

[@stewarln52284]

During chemo, I was prescribed steroid medication for nausea mostly. I took it once, felt like an out of control Hulk, and didn't take it again. There was no way I wanted to be around anyone while on the effects of that medication!

[@florencemklaassen7145]

Long time subscriber from Australia here. Your Motivational interviewing video was where it began. Now, not a day goes by without a dose of Dr Grande. 🇭🇲

[@JudeAussie]

Hi from a fellow Aussie 👋🇦🇺

[@Dan_Ben_Michael]

Gday my Aussie peeps! 🇦🇺

[@LarryRuane]

I'm surprised how many Dr Grande videos are about events in Australia. Must be an interesting place to live!

[@sararivz668]

I’m in inner Melbourne 😂

[@sararivz668]

@@LarryRuaneYes - and we have a lot of whack shiit that happens considering our small population 🫠

[@randyho8315]

Perfect assessment: self centered, self entitlement

[@patrickmcdonagh539]

Reading the comment section makes you wonder how ambien is a legal drug

[@Therearethings8148]

Reading the comment section makes you wonder how people are a legal.

[@ayo_k32]

My mom took Ambien on a regular basis and one night she got up, went downstairs, and cooked eggs, and the next day she had zero memory of it.

[@acmartialarts2227]

@@Therearethings8148we aren’t all black

[@ReyOfLight]

Yeah, as a European who have heard a lot about Ambien, I really do wonder why Ambien is still legal, all while America doesn't have Zopiclone (the closest you can get is Ezopiclone). Zopiclone is a sleep aid medicine that helps you fall asleep. It's pretty good, though you do need to be careful with it due to it being one that can cause dependency over time (and can't fall asleep without it). I've taken Zopiclone as needed for over 10 years now, but the key there is "as needed" and not taking it every night so I don't have any dependency and am fully able to fall asleep without as well when having a day where I don't need the medicine. I've never done any dumb shit on Zopiclone, nor have I heard about anyone else doing stupid shit on it. I have however heard about so many going completely apeshit on Ambien over in America, and sad to say that more crazy people (with or without it being medicine side effects) is the last thing America needs with all those guns around, car dependency and generally more violent culture (compared to Europe)

[@ryanehlis426]

@@patrickmcdonagh539 big Pharma and $

[@kaykekev]

I am unfortunately familiar with cancer, chemo, and various drugs. Fortunately, the worst reaction I had to any drug was severe itching. In any event, when you have an adverse reaction to a medication, the SMART thing to do is STOP taking it. Consult your physician and / or try something else!

[@sarao13579]

When I think about that lady Lindsay something with postpartum psychosis… it was premeditated but definitely postpartum psychosis. That gives me pause here. I work with a hospitalist group, and most of us hold people’s ambien in the hospital or definitely would not start it new for people because of its wild side effects.

[@AMM3.]

I accidentally overdosed on my roommates antipsychotic medication and it absolutely put me in a psychotic state. Never before or since have i wanted to hurt anyone. During my psychosis i wanted to kill my kids and husband because I thought I was saving them from a terrible fate. The thoughts were intrusive and unavoidable. It was the worst experience in my life... But it was also extremely eye opening. People have no idea what its like. I lean towards believing people claiming psychosis who are taking new or a lot of medication... But if i had killed my family, i would still belong in jail, unfortunately theres no way to prove what someone thought

[@adelekelly455]

Yes, I've had psychosis during a manic episode (I have bipolar) and my son has schizophrenia (frequent psychotic episodes) so I know exactly what you mean.

[@dubaiedge]

Scary. I wonder about some of these mass shooters, what they're taking. I'm glad you're okay now 🤗

[@adelekelly455]

​​@AnonymousQwertyI've heard of it happening in people who take high doses of antipsychotics..a paradoxical effect.

[@itchysheets1222]

@@adelekelly455 also possibly could have drank grapefruit juice or something that causes your body to absorb it more or accumulate it instead of eliminating it or increasing the half life. So many bad possibilities!

[@567Seviper]

Why we’re u taking other peoples medications?

[@dregeminin1]

One of my old coworkers once told me a story about how she took Ambien and drove to a good friend’s house in the middle of the night and hung out with her friend . When her friend talked to my coworker the next day, my coworker didn’t recall ever going to her friends’s house. My coworker had experienced total amnesia. So scary! Back in the 2000’s Ambien was frequently prescribed in hospitals. Then it was flagged for ppl over 65 and eventually seemed to disappear. These days Melatonin is the number one prescribed sleep medication at my work place.i I forgot to mention my coworker was in her 40’s at the time and luckily it was a good friend she visited and she was safe!

[@ayo_k32]

My mom takes Ambien on a regular basis and several years ago she woke up, went downstairs, cooked scrambled eggs, and the next morning she had zero recollection of doing that at all. It was very scary and I was afraid she would get in her car one day and drive while asleep.

[@KiKi-tf8rv]

It’s really sad that medical and mental health professionals don’t take people seriously after they think, say, or do horrible things on medications that are totally out of character for them. Some of these meds completely change your sense of logic, memory, and perception of reality. Being told you’re lying or your family members who notice the changes are lying, the meds can’t do that, or you must have a severe mental health problem (that completely goes away when you stop the meds) is one of the most dangerous forms of gaslighting in the medical community. It’s criminal. I’m beginning to think it’s not just medical negligence/laziness, but actually complicitous medical assault.

[@thequake180]

When people take powerful mind altering drugs the effects are unpredictable. Many who committed mass shootings were on such drugs for treating depression when they committed the crime.

[@shinniex]

Dr Grande, I wanted to see if you can do a deep dive of the Rouse Family that was involved in the family suicide in Vancouver WA. The story goes way beyond just the murders as it involves Chris Rouse, who is a mental health professional, and the tragedies that tend to follow him. From the sudden death of his first wife, to his brother’s suicide, to the murder suicide of five of his family members committed by his father, it is a story that’s grippingly sad.

[@Tinkerbell.Jumpout]

Thank you, Dr. Grande. You add so much to my day. Thank you for your consistent excellence.

[@teresahunt5521]

When my husband died, a psychiatrist carelessly prescribed an antipsychotic used for schizophrenia for my insomnia. I laid down for a nap on day 7 and woke up 2 days later to find out that I had rammed my car into a McDonald's, totaled my car, and drove back home and went to bed. I did all of that in my pajamas! I never knew I left my apartment. I received 2 days in jail, huge fines, a DUI, and a breathalyzer in my car. The psychiatrist got nothing. I remember nothing about the accident and no alcohol was involved. I am a nurse and eventually had to take a job in another city. I'm thankful I didn't kill someone. (Also, I never in my right mind would go to McDonald's.)

[@sandracouch3482]

How did you drive back home in a totaled car

[@teresahunt5521]

@@sandracouch3482 I have no idea but the police hauled it away from my apartment building and I never saw it again.

[@rosebud7019]

​@teresahunt5521 was it seroquel??

[@teresahunt5521]

@@rosebud7019 latuda.

[@sashaleggett1994]

Why would the psychiatrist get anything?? He gave you a medication that works for a lot of people. It's not his fault or your fault that you had a bad reaction

[@whiskeytangofoxtrot1986]

Not me hurriedly getting the kids to bed so I can catch a new Dr Grande!

[@Anabee3]

😅😅😅😅. No, not at all. //oh wow!... I j.n. remembered responding to a comment you posted - probably 2-3yrs ago. Idr what it was about, but I remember mentioning that W.T.F.T. is one of my all-time favorite movies! It's SUCH a "MUST- SEE"😊. G' NITE😊.

[@RipsGirl]

😂 You know that it's recorded right? It's not live...you can watch it any time.....🤔 . . . . . Just kidding!! I don't blame you lol

[@patrickwayne9074]

When my sister was taking ambien many years ago, she started sleepwalking and waking up her young kids in the middle of the night to abuse them. That stuff is no good.

[@zombieparrot2606]

As someone who is currently being treated for cancer, I would say that if anything made her psychotic, it would be the steroids. Especially if it was dexamethasone. That is no joke.

[@Neilsowards]

I am glad you said this. I made a comment above before I saw your comment. I definitely think steroids could have caused this. Everybody is focusing on the Ambien and ignoring this.

[@zombieparrot2606]

@@Neilsowards I totally agree !!

[@angelparis2071]

What side affects u have from dexamethasone?

[@Bambotb]

I believe her too i have seen shit like this before

[@zombieparrot2606]

@@angelparis2071 sorry for the late response! This are some side effects that id experienced. Let me jk

[@tiffanystarbeck2279]

Thank you for covering this case. I’ve been looking for it for years and years.. This lady is so disturbed. This is one of the saddest cases I have ever heard. It was about 15 minutes from my childhood home 😢

[@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz]

"and had a sense of entitlement." It never fails!

[@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz]

I think only three or four subjects _haven't_ "had a sense of entitlement" so far

[@kingfisher9553]

Beware Ambien. Notorious for fostering bizarre behavior.

[@mcdouche2]

This reminds me of a well-known case of a man named Vito Spatafore whose blood pressure medication made him do acts that his wife and brother in-law Phil disapproved of.

[@danielghosn6529]

Gold 😂

[@LssnLrnd]

@@danielghosn6529solid, might I say

[@Dan_Ben_Michael]

Apparently his friend Chrissy got him into therapy, then he took up snooker with his brudda inlaw.

[@Booz23]

🤣 😂😂

[@StrikeBuster-b2b]

Ooooooooooo.

[@ddally8851]

Ambien equals all bets are off. My sister took Ambien one night and then she got up in the middle of the night and started pulling shoeboxes and other storage containers out of the closet and stacking them on the bedroom floor. My brother-in-law woke up and went to the closet to ask her what she was doing. She replied that she had found a way to tunnel out and escape. She had no memory of this the next day. Ambien is the total wildcard.

[@mahmoodlebanon]

We’ve all used that excuse at one time or another

[@mustangthings]

This always happens at the most inconvenient time, but, it’s part of life.

[@cringeRick_Lamar]

It's unironically the main matter at the core of all oncological treatment/ spree killings you hear about seemingly all the time!

[@judybash9393]

"all"???

[@binaryfairy4197]

@@judybash9393 The OP is being sarcastic

[@judybash9393]

😂lol...i know ​@@binaryfairy4197

[@DamePiglet]

Poor kids

[@floydoroid]

I'd say the death of the husband is more tragic but the death of innocence always hits really hard.

[@MamaMailisha]

I agree. Those poor boys. Terrible about her husband, too. But it’s those boys I most feel for.

[@4FYTfa8EjYHNXjChe8xs7xmC5pNEtz]

And those names they gave them... I'm pretty sure "Alphonse" isn't a cool name even in the Philippines

[@X1GenKaneShiroX]

You have the right to think that your life is not worth living, and you also have the right to make that choice for others. It’s unfortunate and pathetic that some people nowadays don’t have much sympathy for suicidal folks.

[@Elzie-Nou]

Did all the 1k of people who liked this post actually read it properly?

[@emiliavicquery1342]

Was that a typo? Committing suicide is one thing. Taking someone else with you or deciding their life is not worth it is murder.

[@Elzie-Nou]

@@emiliavicquery1342 it’s def NOT a typo as they write also

[@conspiracyeyes1682]

You do not have the right to make that decision for others, s*** water.

[@itsthespiceoflife]

Huh? Your comment doesn't make any sense. I feel horrible for anyone that feels so hopeless that the only way out is taking their own life but deciding to take someone else's life is absolutely disgusting and wrong and feeling bad for someone that makes that choice is just insane.

[@jeanettenatoli1672]

Did she truly think they couldn’t go on without her or was she angry that they would?

[@sarahjaye4117]

Makes you wonder

[@thelocalmaladroit8873]

It bears repeating that I’ve heard some strange side effects from Ambien also .

[@robo9439]

It's a hypnotic and you are not supposed to stay awake on it. It's a sleeping medication. It puts you in a dream like state, even if you're awake. My ex girlfriend started crying and acting bazaar when she took it. She had no memory afterwards. I just laughed at her weird behavior and guided her to bed, tucked her in until she fell asleep. 😂

[@thenaturalhuman9568]

Ambien can 100% make ppl do strange, scary things!! I have seen and experienced it!

[@DanaDakota]

I had two wild experiences with Ambien. In both of them I lost track of time for a few hours. It was wild.

[@stt5v2002]

Steroids can cause psychosis. It doesn’t really sound like she had psychosis, but if she did, that’s a potential cause of it.

[@funlo.vingco]

Prednisone. I've seen it myself and heard from friends. Suicidal/rage from frustration with self. COULD trigger other things... When I heard from others what they witnessed I knew that's what I witnessed as well. The patients themselves also admitted they felt terrible. Frustrated. Angry. Vowed to never take it again... And to tell everyone we knew. Oh, don't forget the shingles as a bonus. Yay Prednisone 😬🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

[@robertgantry2118]

I don't think people really grasp how adversely pharmaceuticals can affect people's brains.

[@digigalbytes2445]

My sister is on huge doses of a particularly nasty steroid to treat symptoms of her brain tumour, and it is well known to cause severe paranoia and delusions. Many prescription drugs have horrendous side-effects. I don't know if that was the case in this instance, but we should all be aware of the risks.

[@elizabethcornell1582]

Hallucinations are a sign of psychosis and she did claim to hearing voices telling her to kill her family. I think she should have gotten off on a insanity defense.

[@poindextertunes]

@@elizabethcornell1582sure. you say that being detached from the case

[@youneke]

Excellent analysis of this crime. Life has a way to come back at us. She went from the poor life of Philippines to a semi-rich life by marrying a General Manager of her airport even though he was twice her age. 20 years later the money isn't as frivolous and she is in over her head trying to manage a UPS chain with no skill or experience. Her husband isn't young, her children need college monies and California is an unforgiving place to life unless you are super rich. Then to make matters worse out of the 8b people on Earth she is the one that get's breast cancer. If she made better decisions from a young age life would have been better to her.

[@stellaKAU]

To be honest I would agree with the state but knowing how anti depressants influence me, I have to be reserved. Medication made me completely live in a surreal state! I belive it was psychosis too. One time in my life I took those and never again. It scared me so much.

[@trixiesilver4030]

I would need to know more about her past behaviors & interpersonal relationships. I’m not familiar with the case, so maybe all that is available, but that critical info would be key to assessing the odds, as would the clinical interview of course. If everyone who knows her well was floored by it & nothing else about her personality suggested such a thing, I would consider the timeline of the zolpidem in particular. If that was not in alignment, I would consider psychosis in context of depression, looking closely at how her perseveration on futility & lack of options might have spiraled into frank delusion.

[@itchysheets1222]

I’ve seen several comments on this story talking about chemo drugs changing their family member’s personality….i suppose we can’t know if it’s the cancer or the cancer treatment without further study but that is interesting as well. I have never heard of this before today, other than someone I know personally developing the same personality changes after lung cancer treatment. Her personality change was extreme though and she had to live in a facility bc she was no longer able to care for herself due to the extreme personality and mental changes. Perplexing.

[@Qrail]

I went to school with Frank Delusion.

[@JetFighters]

She's Asian and while not all Asian women are the same and cultures have differences there are some universal truths. One of them is that appearance is everything. They are exceptionally good at appearing fine, in a way that western women realise is not healthy and no longer do. They spend their entire lives pretending everything is great, it's second nature to them, so friends and family thinking it's out of character doesn't mean anything. Mothers are the gods of society and no one questions them. I've seen kids beaten black and blue with sticks on the streets of Manila and no one intervened, because mothers know what their kids need and if the kid got a beating it's because their mother is a good mother that's disciplining her child. They have zero coping mechanisms because of the above mentioned societal norms. Zero. Even the slightest bit of stress that doesn't fade away easily is reason to completely explode. I once saw a Chinese woman get hit by a car because she was having an argument with her boyfriend and ran onto the middle of the road to "scare" him. My point is, after living in different Asian countries for over twenty years now, you're looking at this from a western perspective. She 100% believes now that what she did either wasn't her fault or doesn't remember it the way others do. My Asian wife is like that. She's done horrendous shit to me and the kids, but to her it's like nothing happened. Like all the Asian Mommy movies she watches she believes that it's just part of being a mother and she's not to blame for any of it.

[@trixiesilver4030]

@@itchysheets1222 Interesting. I'm not familiar with those meds so much, but if there's enough compelling data to sway the court, a defense could try to argue it; I just went with ambien/zolpidem because I'm familiar with that black box warning.

[@trixiesilver4030]

@@JetFighters Good point about how cultural nuances may have obscured what was going on with her to non-Asian evaluators, neighbors, etc. If she was minimizing her symptoms or if unhealthy repressions contributed, I could see how it could be missed.

[@beverlymccollum8861]

One question comes to my mind. Did Ambien alter the thinking and perception. Ambien has a history of people doing things while in a sleepwalking state. A man gained a lot of weight. Found he was eating a jar of peanut butter at night. People have driven and gotten ice cream they didn't even like. Many more examples. I consider it a dangerous pill because some people have stabbed a family member while acting out a dream where they felt the other person was trying to harm them.

[@margaretr5701]

All exceedingly rare incidents.

[@rejaneoliveira5019]

What a sad case. I think everything was very well planned and executed, which is quite inconsistent with a psychotic episode. Thank you for sharing your thoughts Dr Grande.❤

[@Robin-xt7yo]

The wonderfully prolific Dr G keeping us informed and entertained.

[@user-85903z]

Corticosteroids for treating inflammatory symptoms are different from anabolic steroids. They both have the word "steroid" but are completely different.

[@samkayak8712]

This is so sad. The poor woman must have been in such a dark place - and yet could not not find anyone to share her feelings with. She felt she was the major functionary within the family, and was overwhelmed by her responsibilities. How many more people have to live like this: so dark, so hopeless, and no way out other than death?

[@eadweard.]

You don't see this level of unconditional sympathy for male family annihilators.

[@Blackwood-m6o]

Should we contact authorities???

[@lisaann915]

I was prescribed Ambien and another strong sleep aide around the same time and it caused me to do a lot of really strange things while "asleep" including gardening completely naked at 2 am and eating a cat food, cranberry juice, and pot holder taco but I never wanted to hurt anyone, just make a fool of myself.

[@greyLeicester]

Side note: Why call your son José to then ending up referring to him as Tony. Just call him Antonio and go by Tony 🤯🤦🏻‍♀️

[@nanettevantriesteharder2469]

9:01 "Annamaria may have had responsibility evasion memory loss syndrome."

[@mrs.elentz2336]

I had horrifying incidents with ambien. I was prescribed up to 20mg per night (which I now know was an INSANE dose- this was circa 2011 ish). I took 20mg, ended up outside trying to use a tree as a phone. I was found by a family member. I thought my dose was just to high and I STUPIDLY took a smaller dose a few nights later and ended up going completely suicidal despite not having any suicidality ever. I was crying and frantic, I took the whole bottle. I had no memory for 3 days and thankfully recovered. I won’t touch hypnotics with a 10 ft pole. That prescriber ended up losing his license due to his crazy prescribing, completely unrelated to myself though.

[@discospiders]

Thank you Dr G, I was having a really crappy day.

[@discospiders]

@AnonymousQwerty thank you!

[@JuliahFL]

🫂

[@itsthespiceoflife]

This story makes your day better?

[@GodSpeedMinistries]

My friend said ADHD medication would make his sister hear voices. You’re onto something here.

[@whiskeytangofoxtrot1986]

I used to take adderall for my ADHD and my god, it made me say and do some things I would never normally do. 😅

[@GodSpeedMinistries]

@@whiskeytangofoxtrot1986 It’s a gateway drug really. My friend would be up for three days straight abusing adderall. I think it led to his heroin addiction. I believe drugs are gateways for demonic spirits to enter the body. Alcohol is no different (Al-Kuhl is an Arabic demon.)

[@sasukeikari]

lmao 🤣 thats called schizoprenia and also a mis diagnosis. I have adhd and take ritalin for 2 years now after dropping outta school and forgetting shit to the point i gotta write things down. Voice is not adhd. Sometimes we with adhd may hear a song in our heads but this is more attention related, we wander off very very easily and thats when i know its time for my dose. Hearing voices that no one else hears, doing things out of the ordinary like the other commenter, this is not adhd sorry if anything people with adhd are reluctant to do what these other commenters have stated. That requires something called "anti psychotic" the adhd medicine helps us to function throughout our daily lives to fill in that void where dopamine is missing. Akin to serotonin in anti depressants.

[@sarahjaye4117]

@@whiskeytangofoxtrot1986It made me super agitated and anxious and also cry when it wore off. I do have bad adhd and extreme anxiety but not any schizo disorders or bipolar issues

[@johnducan2487]

You can experience psychotic episodes on major stimulants like adderall but it is mostly due to the lack of sleep and not the stimulant itself. Blaming those drugs is no different than blaming alcool for bad behavior. You're responsible for your actions while on drugs.

[@eatnplaytoday]

There’s been many stories of people taking these types is meds, going crazy, doing things they normally don’t do. There’s a KZbin channel that documents these stories from real people. I do not trust those meds. My mom uses an antidepressant and her emotions are numb/blunted and sometimes I’m scared of her cause she doesn’t seem human. When she isn’t taking it much, she’s back to normal and feel human again.

[@onemysore6120]

Ambien is a nightmare.

[@vampiregypsy8403]

Ambian is crazy ! Seen folks do donuts in there truck after waking up from sleeping in the middle of the night talk and act totally normal and not remember anything they did for up to two days . That stuff is crazy !!!

[@lindaryan4148]

I had hormone related breast cancer and am on the drug that you have to take for 5-10 years after. I suffer from depression normally but being on this drug sent me into a deep black hole. I am now taking 2 other drugs to counter what the cancer drug is doing to me. I can say honestly that this drug has ruined my life, my job and affected relationships. I have never had the feeling that I wanted to hurt someone though. Knowing what drugs can do to a person I’m still not convinced that she didn’t know right from wrong when she did what she did.

[@Sassyglbeauty]

Now, my mom would act drunk as hell while on Ambien, often doing things she wouldn’t remember the next day. So. I do ina sense believe that someone could do something on this medication and not recall the action - but, it’s hard to imagine someone could commit murder - unless these were thoughts they already had

[@davidosborne5057]

I've done crazy crazy stuff on ambien and remembered absolutely nothing!!!

[@SunShine-qk4rb]

Wow.heartbreaking that someone could be so cruel and selfish

[@susan-m6s]

I think she was possibly sufferimg from severe depression from the lack of vitamin D due to jer cancer treatment. This left her thinking to be impaired and that could be what contributed to her doing this

[@Traderjoe]

I guess they pay well as airport managers in the Philippines to be able to afford two homes and a UPS store franchise in California of all places.

[@ChiquitaBanana-si5qq]

A family annihilator? If she’ can’t live, no one deserves to live… Because, why do they deserve to be together, if she isn’t going to get to control it?

[@clestemanning6357]

(ALL CAPS AS IAM LEGALLY BLIND) HELLO DR. GRANDE, I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU FOR A LONG TIME & I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN YOU SMILE...... TRY IT LIFE ISN'T THAT SERIOUS. MUCH LOVE FROM VERMONT STATE

[@rogersockwell]

A tangent: She got 40 on her murder charger alone. Why do so many others we see in true crime pods only get 15-25? So unfair. Too many people get off too lightly.

[@ChuckBaxter-sv2tn]

Exactly 💯. That's because we are living in horrible! times here in this country called America! people have become more angry, hateful, no feelings for human life, evil! signs in hospitals stating we will not tolerate aggressive behavior!. The court systems and judicial and supreme Court systems are corrupted to the core! The very moral fabric of society here in America is crumbling! That's why alot of people are waking up! buying passports and gettin the HELL!! on..💪🍷💰👀🤫😲😳🤪🙈😩🙄🌍🤔🦉

[@wmpx34]

A lot of times they’re plea bargaining them down to avoid costly trials

[@Elzie-Nou]

The way she planned for two weeks to murder them in the most brutal way is so selfish. The fact that she chased them down is incomprehensible. If she really just wanted them all to die as a family she couldn’t bear to be leave them as much as she didn’t want to be alive. There are many more significantly less overtly violent and individually targeting of and fear inducing ways to do this. It feels like this was driven from spite or hate.

[@DylaneyDay]

As a psychology major I love ur channel!!

[@Ytvzoey]

These poor children. What a horrific trauma. How do they ever recover from this? I hope they have stable family members to live with. As a physician, I can confidently say that I’ve never told a patient that committing murder is a side effect of any medication I’ve ever prescribed. Ambient certainly can cause delirium - it does not cause psychosis. It can, arguably, cause psychosis when prescribed in high doses. But this is debatable-- only seen in patients who are also sleep deprived and who have abused it. There’s also a step up diagnosis - nobody roles out of bed and suddenly has psychosis presenting as them murdering someone. It’s more so, “mom has been more paranoid.” A few months later, “mom’s been saying bizarre things - talking to herself.” And so on and so on. Murder is absolutely not the presenting symptom at first point of diagnosis. Delirium also doesn’t cause you to murder someone unless you’ve slipped and fallen and accidentally taken them down the stairs with you. Delirious people are too confused to plan things. Or point a gun and accurately use it. They can’t even stand on their feet - let alone hit a target. Sad that she would hurt her children. And of course her husband. I’m very sad for the children. I know I keep saying this but what a horrible thing to have to endure. This is betrayal trauma on such a visceral level. Their mother killed their father then tried to kill them. I can’t conceive of anything worse. I’m sure there are but this surely ranks in the top three most horrific tragedies of a child’s life. I hope they’re okay.

[@sarahjaye4117]

It made me mildly hallucinate in bed but not harm anyone

[@Ytvzoey]

@sarahjaye4117, yes it can absolutely cause you to hallucinate but this is as a result of delirium - acute confusion - not psychosis, which is more chronic and people are out and about. Her lawyers would have been better off saying that she was delirious -- from the meds -- they’d have to try and explain her accurate aim with the gun, but this could actually be much more easily argued then what they tried to argue.

[@NickWeissMusic]

At first, I thought I heard you say Anna Maria Gonorrhea, which is an outstanding name for a punk band.

[@Rosypink995]

Dr. Always so calm and collected. 😊thanks watching from South Africa 🇿🇦 🙏👌

[@kathleensullivan4547]

I've been suicidal since I was 6 years young. I'm 56 now and have many scars on my body 😢.. the meds they've put me on only made it worse. No one ever got down to what's actually fucking wrong with me

[@judithwilliams3147]

Because they probably don't know and can't fix it.

[@twocents7495]

Anna Maria was vain, selfish and cruel. She was born with beauty and couldn’t reconcile losing this tool. The voices were none other than her own. Did her mother benefit financially from her daughter’s marriage and final act of selfishness?

[@mptavar]

I took Ambien once. Several pills and stayed awake on purpose to trip balls. I remember taking a shower and I had open eyed dream-like visuals. I had extreme euphoria and felt connected to the universe and just felt love and good vibes. I was also a regular user of psychedelics at the time and on a spiritual path. If I were to get strung out on Ambien I'm sure it would end in tears though. I've been dependent on benzos before and realize they are similar. You need to taper off slowly. Dangerous stuff.

[@Louis1059]

I wonder if the financial troubles and then cancer drove her to murder. Still no excuse for coming to that conclusion.

[@dubaiedge]

My elderly mother has done some *wild* shit on that drug she has zeri recollection of.

[@DuncanMortimer-pf9dm]

Awesome analysis doc.

[@audrianamichelin8726]

I had a great aunt who was placed on medication for ovarian cancer. Her personality would switch up so drastically! It was a wild ride. She would be a praying Christian during the day then believe that "duppy" (ghost) are lifting the bed she's in and trying to carry her to the sea. She started tying the bed to the door or jumping out of the bed in the middle of the night. She passed away years ago, but I never forgot how terrified she was during the night.

[@johnnichols4532]

Anna Maria having so many supporters in California is not surprising!! It seems as if women there never blame or find with any fault with a woman who murders a man, and they don't think the woman murderer should be prosecuted!!! This might be a good topic for you to explore!!! Why do so many women HATE MEN?????

[@Graycy808]

I love your colorful shirts in the summer! Please don't let people dissuade you from wearing your great shirts please? They make me so happy!

[@raineyharrison7848]

I like the colorful shirts too

[@raineyharrison7848]

I like the colorful shirts too

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

Who is dissuading him?

[@joycampi7233]

I believe in the pre-meditation. Thanks Dr. G!!

[@javierromero6858]

The second I heard “Ambiem” I was like “oh boy!”

[@cabooseabs6864]

I guess technically ativan was prescribed because of her cancer, but ativan is just a benzo prescribed to millions(over time) for anxiety/insomnia. It doesnt really have any effect on curing cancer.

[@betsyr4724]

I had breast cancer and while it’s stressful, I had no where near the stress she had and was not taking ambien. This combo sent her off the rails.

[@eadweard.]

How can you tell?

[@Ann-sj4pt]

I wish i had the “smaller house” that house is huge!

[@marysweeney486]

My grand daughter was on steroids at 3 and 4 for cancer and it made her very irritable, there was one child that actually bit a nurse

[@lovelyms2964]

Ambience is not cancer medication it’s a psychotropic medication!!

[@Native722]

Same antidepressants

[@JamesPawson]

This has nothing to do with Ambien, and not even that much to do with the cancer-- and everything to do with how deeply, deeply perverse Filipina women's notions around love and relationship are. Furious, unreasoning, overwhelming, downright psychotic jealousy and protectiveness over their man, is absolutely normalized in Filipino culture. So she figures she's dying of cancer, she probably invented story in her head about her how her husband was already thinking about moving on after her death-- so she tried to murder him.

[@k_a_bizzle]

100% this. There is context and a basis here. Women live longer than men on average too, so this situation isn’t the norm. She couldn’t handle the perceived subversion of her expectations and cultural hang ups. Also a dash of hypnotic medication that seems designed to mimic the effects of GHB and LSD combined.

[@knicknack4511]

Can you analyze the case of Megan Imirowicz? She was a teen who was tasked with taking care of her alcoholic father before the stress ultimately drove her to murder. The verdict (won’t spoil it) is one of great controversy. Thanks for the work you do!

[@elizabethcornell1582]

Ana was hallucinating which is a sign of psychosis Both Ambien and steroids have been known to make people psychotic. It is not uncommon among people who are suicidal, whether psychotic or not to feel that they would be sparing their loved ones from suffering by taking them with them and believe those feelings are based on an altruistic. intent. In reality, most families, especially parents who lose their children to. suicide never stop suffering and some end up committing suicide themselves so Ana was not wrong in her belief. I therefore feel that she should have been found not guilty based on mental illness.

[@eadweard.]

Does this ever apply to men?

[@gnostic268]

It's also a narcissistic trait for the narc to view family members as extensions of themselves and not as individuals in their own right with separate lives. Taking everyone with her was just a way to make sure that no one was going to flourish and live a happy life if she died from cancer. She was an extremely angry person because of the cancer and probably felt it was unfair that her whole family was cancer free. Ana Maria is a very selfish person.

[@stephenbanks5860]

I agree with Dr. Grande's analysis and not yours.

[@LúciaKitten]

Thank you, Dr Grande! I feel bad for hee sons!!

[@SunsetGuitarist]

God bless doctor grande

[@jondeegan9410]

I find it amazing how these family killers always use excuses never take responsibility even though she knew she needed help but didn't want to get it.

[@skycloud4802]

That's the thing. Even if people succumb to mental illness, those people have a responsibility and duty to report their own mental illness. It's standard illegal for an alcoholic knowingly to get into the front seat of a car and drive, so there should also be a similar negligent culpability for allowing ones mental illness to fester untreated.

[@margaretr5701]

Not everyone knows they have a mental illness, and depression is so commonplace, most suffer through it. Drugs for depression don't always work, not even in the majority of cases.

[@enjoystraveling]

I took a drug against pain which was prescribed not the pain but the drug, and I only took half the dose because I’ve never taken that medicine before and when I lay down to go to sleep, I had a very strong hallucination as if I was floating above my body looking down at my body body. I never experienced anything like that and I didn’t want to again. Never had a thought to hurt myself or somebody else, but I never took that medicine again. !!

[@enjoystraveling]

And no, I was not dreaming

[@enjoystraveling]

@@rhondareed3002 it was interesting but a little bit scary. You said most people have one in their lifetime, what is their purpose?

[@CuddleSnugglesworth]

Doc has has it up to here with some of ya'll. He now says "consistently" instead of "always" 'generates an interesting discussion'. OK whose ass we gotta beat

[@JuliahFL]

😂

[@OneandonlyD]

She was probably in deep depression, which led to bipolar disorder and hearing voices. I just feel sad for the kids.

[@abqmalenurse]

Sounds like Dr Grande knows absolutely nothing about Ambien adverse effects.

[@WTFVIDSok]

You stated that her son said she looked like she was in a trance. It seems like her lawyer didn't provide enough proof of the effects of Ambien...

[@MamaMailisha]

I was just discussing with a friend the other day about family annihilators and how it’s usually narcissistic men who fit the profile. And here we have a woman doing the same thing. I feel for her more, though. Probably because of the cancer - and the fact that she was having to run the business instead of resting. I’m shocked that her family wasn’t taking care of her instead of the other way around! It sounds like maybe “stress induced psychosis” more than anything. But still. When life gets that stressful, you have to ask for help! Please ASK FOR HELP before deciding that “going out in a blaze of glory” is the way to deal with things. Even if you end up going bankrupt and being pennyless, killing your family?! How does that even become an option on the table?!?!

[@itchysheets1222]

My best friend is Filipino and he says over there they don’t look at children the same as here, childhood isn’t sacred and children aren’t protected from the worries of the world. And he said over there if like a woman wrecks her car for instance, nobody cares if she’s ok or not, some male in the family even one of her own children may physically punish her for…wrecking the car. And that’s a specific real life scenario he saw happen. And I remember being so shocked. I’m certain that’s not everyone over there, or all Filipino people anywhere, but it was commonplace enough for him to say he wished their society was different in those specific ways. He said women did all the work all work was women’s work to them, and nobody gave them breaks or looked out for them. I take his word for it, he grew up over there and moved to US as a tween. I am not at all saying that this lady’s children or husband was like that, but it could be residual stress from her life before she had her family, who knows. Maybe success or the business holds more importance to this family culturally than Americans may realize too. It would not surprise me if she was left to do literally everything even fighting cancer at the same time, is what I’m getting at, but also I don’t want to sound judgment ental. A lot of people in American culture behave this way too, many don’t but not enough to say “our culture isn’t like that at all” bc it def is.

[@retsaMinnavoiG]

You know that generally men have much more stressful lives than women? But they bury that stress and push through and go to work to make a living to support their family. Most men also suffer from physical pain from old injuries and mental issues that they never receive help for and are often ignored if they do 'toughen up' or 'you're just getting old'. My point is that I feel the same about her as I do about a man that does the same thing.

[@SusiRP]

I've taken Ambien™️ before n it has some strange side effects, i believe her... 🤷‍♀️

[@discospiders]

Me too! I would do stuff and not remember a thing! I’ve never blacked out like that before. Bad stuff.

[@sarahjaye4117]

Made me hallucinate a bit while sedated and awake at a normal sample dose but not harm anyone. Regular anti anxiety medicine agrees with me more, unless I run out of it 😞

[@kyleboulanger170]

It combined with jet lag & other prescription medications contributed to the death of Heath Ledger.

[@9ZERO6]

​@@kyleboulanger170 Ambien did not kill him...opiates and/or barbituates most likely. Ambien is not a central nervous depressent.

[@goddesslv1]

I tried ambien many years ago and would sleepwalk to computer and downstairs and sleep talk what an awful medicine