Motherboard manufacturers have been lying about VRM phase counts for years.

[@NotThatGuyJD]

BZ: 20:28 "That's it for the video." Me: looks at 29:44 run time, not surprised at all.

[@Hajdew]

0:02

[@bookworm8415]

Pretty par for the course, honestly. I think id have felt disappointed otherwise.

[@Manysdugjohn]

This is classic zoid.

[@antagonist99]

Listening to Buildzoid rage at mainboard manufacturers really never gets old.

[@georgiedagreek2734]

Right

[@nathangamble125]

"the board is a 12-phase design" "you'd have like 11 or 12" *ACCIDENTALLY CORRECT PHASE COUNT FTW!*

[@bookworm8415]

This made me laugh. Headline *BZ accidentally proves incorrect reviewer correct*

[@mamuf]

And then it says the board has additional phases, sooo... Still incorrect.

[@AaronShenghao]

The “six gear power shifting” thing is a software feature on these boards. Where you can manually control and/or see how many phases the board uses to deliver the power to CPU. It mainly is a power saving feature, by default it uses all phases.

[@tudalex]

So does it say that it is using 6 phases in software?

[@josuad6890]

BZ: "that's it for the video" also BZ: Continues to ramble for another 9 minutes.

[@gordong11]

Post codes are another frustration with motherboard makers. The post codes are already built into the BIOS so it's dirt cheap to implement yet only the highest and motherboards get it. You'd figure every motherboard by now would have it because it makes troubleshooting so much easier. Yet they pretend it's a premium option.

[@tourmaline07]

Couldn't agree more. Two segment LED displays can't cost more than a penny or two?

[@-eMpTy-]

Market segmentation. It's worse now than it was back then. I remember boards like the ASRock P67 Pro3. 8+2 phase VRM, postcode/debug LED, power and reset switch onboard and it was $99.

[@AngelicHunk]

@@-eMpTy- My decade-old, entry Biostar board has a 2-digit display. Ever since I started looking to build my own PC again a couple years ago, I can't believe that almost no manufacturer puts decent debugging tools on their mobos anymore.

[@TheRoetker]

Because we (who want post codes) are are tiny minority compared to the masses who don't care. They, those masses, just want all the RGB in the world.

[@tourmaline07]

Furthermore I'm surprised OEM motherboards (HP, Dell, acer) don't already have them for their business motherboards so their techs can fault diagnose quicker

[@OriginEnjoyer]

just patiently waiting for the day a buildzoid edition board comes out

[@MoraFermi]

It'll be 50% VRM, 50% memory channels. The CPU socket will be left as an implementation exercise for the buyer.

[@OriginEnjoyer]

@@MoraFermi 😂😭 swappable controllers so you can do AMD OR intel imagine 😭

[@emperorSbraz]

mem training at first boot takes 1 literal day to post BUT it's already maxed on all timings. :D

[@OriginEnjoyer]

@@emperorSbraz okay that's funny 😂

[@namibjDerEchte]

@@emperorSbraz The POST-code display is used as a countdown timer for how much more training it needs. But for real, I'd buy that for Zen4 or Zen5, if it works for ECC DIMMs.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

first

[@Youuuuuu]

you too!

[@CP110]

I'm early!

[@gromus6171]

To late

[@atanubaishnab4811]

trying to be the last XD

[@kovacspis]

Hey Buildzoid, this is guys here!

[@badhusband1902]

the more useful version of the rant can be: how do we come up with an actually good, quantitative measurement that can describe how good a vrm design is. That could really benefit the consumers.

[@WhenDoesTheVideoActuallyStart]

Energy wasted (W) when powering the flagship CPU at a standardized CPU stress test benchmark.

[@BrosBrothersLP]

The way all voltage supplies are quantatively tested. Outout ripple. Output spike. Dynamics. Regulating accuracy, efficiency

[@mamuf]

This is similar to how can we objectively measure a quality of a PSU? All the manufacturers brag about is the 80+ spec, but that only covers your efficiency, not quality in other regards. See the recent GN PSU disaster videos as an example... And that's where reviewers like BZ or GN come in to tell you a product is a garbage even if it claims to have more of a thing in its design.

[@Sid-Cannon]

"I'm still convinced that the only person who actually cares is me" - hahaha :)

[@bookworm8415]

The rest of his thousands of subs... are we a joke to you?!

[@Sid-Cannon]

@@bookworm8415 If you watch the video you'll see that I just quoted what Buildzoid said because it made me laugh ...

[@GimpyChinaman]

Motherboard manufacturers have only been lying about phase counts for as long as they've been advertising phase counts on the box

[@wudi911]

Thanks for reviewing my motherboard from 12 years ago! Got some quality time pairing this board with i7 920 and GTX 295. Interesting to see back in the day high-end enthusiast set up only coast me around $2k and now.... cant even afford a video card sigh...

[@bluekirby3]

We literally didn't know how VRM worked at the time. I used to maintain a database on AMD board VRMs on OCN because so many were absolute garbage. Im not an EE or anything of the sort, so our method to quickly evaluate a board was basically to count inductors. Naturally we know now this is not accurate, but at the time it gave a bit of guidance on to which boards would burn themselves to the ground (i.e. MSI 790/890FXA-GD70). Especially because as BZ notes reviewers were similarly clueless and often worse. I apologize for perpetuating the issue, but it was born out of necessity after we put holes in 10+ 790/890FXA-GD70s

[@darkbreed]

there are double step-down two-phase buck converters, today there are some tripple step-down three-phase buck converters available. by looking at a component you will not know how it works.

[@clintcolombin]

“& I took that personally” - Buildzoid, 2021

[@tomstech4390]

22:20 Buildzoids 2nd amendment "A well regulated VRM, being necessary to the stability of a system, the right of the boards to keep and bear Amps, shall not be infringed"

[@HJM9x]

"6 gear" sounds like they knew it wasnt a true 12 phase but didnt have a clue how it worked. (16:06)

[@vtipnygooglac5163]

Actually it's something what's stated on gigabyte website. It's on sixth line(huh) in marketing material. So unfortunately they just copied it :(

[@gagarin777]

This is just "enhanced" Dynamic Energy Saver feature which was present on even older Gigabyte's motherboards. Dynamic 6-Gear Switching is mentioned on some LGA775 motherboards they manufactured.

[@neko9042]

"Hopefully I keep it kinda short" 30 minutes later.

[@th3unmaker]

30 minutes is kind of short for buildzoid, but I, too, was amused by this.

[@bookworm8415]

When he says short he means 30-40 minutes. "Normal" is 45-60 maybe. Never paid much attention before to notice trends

[@phillipmarnik]

The Gigabyte marketing team are preparing to take it to the next level. Triple digit VRM's.

[@singular9]

I finally beat buildzoid at something. I knew what a motherboard was before he did.

[@Testbug000]

Intel’s 14nm process is extremely new. I learn new things every day!

[@bgdwiepp]

18:50 that's not what diode emulation does; at light loads if you leave the low side MOSFET on like you normally would, due to low inductance and current(so low stored energy) the current flow can reverse, flowing from the output, through the inductor, through the lowside MOSFET to ground killing efficiency. Diode emulation mode senses the voltage across the MOSFET changes from negative to positive (indicating the change in current direction) and turns the MOSFET off so the output current doesn't flow to ground.

[@AdaaDK]

I watch you and gamers nexus BECAUSE, you tell the truth about companys. And their mistakes/bad products, with no hands/fingers in betwean. So yes, it is a good idea to tell someone they did something wrong, cos if no one does they will never learn to be honorst and do the rigth thing with the build and markedting of their products.

[@Woot-Zee]

No...you weren't the first person. The forums were full. Not even close. :) But I think you were one of the first on Yt. And a lot more exposure than everybody else. :)

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

so why didn't any of the reviewers ever point this out?

[@Squilliam-Fancyson]

At least german reviewers never mentioned such things. Most of them do not even know how to count phases.

[@eukariootti1]

Chevrolet Chevelle - 6 cylinders - 4 doors Yugo - 4 cylinders - 3 doors Koenigsegg Gemera - 3 cylinders - 2 doors Which one has the best performance?

[@Stashmyash]

Some motherboard reviewers still take (fake) phase counts from the manufacturer at face value. Nothing has changed since 2008.

[@sophiethemasochisticninja7655]

Example of something new. Source?

[@Stashmyash]

@@sophiethemasochisticninja7655 There are several on youtube and the web, it shouldn't be difficult to find one.

[@sophiethemasochisticninja7655]

@@Stashmyash Well im not the one trying to prove something or claim something. So source on your claim is something you will have to give.

[@Stashmyash]

@@sophiethemasochisticninja7655 In case my links get filtered out. Look for Vortez's review of the Asus Z590-E where they call it a 14 phase, when it isn't.

[@sophiethemasochisticninja7655]

@@Stashmyash Specification says 14+2. Looked at a picture of the motherboard without vrm cooling. it has 14 + 2 power stages. so not sure why you say it is false marketing.

"ASUS Launches ROG Crosshair VIII Extreme Motherboard" PCB BREAKDOWN?

[@tomstech4390]

Been doing pc since 2000 "Comments are saying.. x brand is bad because they're lying about phase counds" [uploads videos pointing those who lie about phase counts or components] Its not the brands, they all do the same things, they're in the same boat. its also not a new problem, but I dont remember it being so common in the mid range (£170 today is £110 then) Back in the day high end motherboards would say 8+2.. when its 4+1. But if you bought a cheaper board you kinda knew it would be a 4+1 because there's no way the gigabyte 970a-ud3 has the 8+2 phase it claims at £90. Now people see a huge heatsink and it could be a triple teamed 4+1, or double teamed 6+1 or doubled 6+1 or an xdpe132g5c.... The higher phase controllers and doublers and teaming leaves allot more room for (mis)interpretation. Thats why ahoc and HUB is so important for people to learn, Sunlight is the best disinfectant so videos saying what it is and what it isn't, what matters and what doesnt are invaluable. Going parallel for more current handling is fine, the problem is the marketing. I'm wondering how long it is before we see "16+2 stage *BFVRM*" with 4c06n/4c010n parts using a RT8894 or something (turns to look at asrock) atleast it would have surface area. Fun trivia: msi 970 gaming and krait am3+ were both 3+1 with "teamed" niko mosfets, the boards literally cried with tears running over the audio section.

[@n0rie9a]

the '00s were the dark ages for the pc DIY segment (there were darker ages, but mostly talking about late '00s as fairly modern times). almost all reviews were blurb copy-paste jobs, even the so-called hardcore/expert sites/outlets. information like chips/controllers manufacturers/models of a mobo/ram module or an actual examination of a mobos power delivery/components wasnt publicly available/easy to find. youd have to dig deep and hard to come up with even a small part/any of the above and very rarely some obscure outlet/review site would hold any info. any useful info about a mobo/ram modules was like a top CIA secret. but us hardware guys knew about gigabytes 6 phase/asus's 8 (high-end mobos)/4 phase. OC/technical forums were full with discussions about that. ram chips info was even harder to get a hold of. the guys who knew were guys like you, but "unpublished" cause no one was doing this type of content back then

[@goblinphreak2132]

Its not a lie, its marketing, and until you sue them (which you will fucking lose) then nothing is going to change. Your young age shows. "I didn't even know what a motherboard was in 2008" yeah because you are a young buck. That's why I laugh at your little videos. And its SAD that people actually take everything you say as gospel and then regurgitate it online.

[@driacon]

Had a Gigabyte 1366 motherboard, and ooh god it sucked. Maybe I was just unlucky but RAM support was a maybe, sata controllers was more like erasers, and as soon as anything voltage or stepping related was touched it would just not post at all.

[@mailong.botega3040]

> "hopefully I manage to keep it kinda short" > looks at 29:44 duration Perfection

[@andersjjensen]

It do be like that. A proper rant for an isolated topic takes half an hour at the very least. There's the context of the rant, the theory crash course to understand the rant, the rant itself, the humours roasting as to why the rant exists in the first place, the rant itself episode 2, the first attempt at rounding off the rant, the rant itself episode 3, the second attempt at rounding off the rand, the first, second and third random semi related anecdote to the rant, and finally the somewhat staccato/abrupt ending which includes something about subscribing and merch.... It just doesn't feel right if it doesn't go like that.

[@noxious89123]

Hey look, that board has QPI that does 6.4 GT/s. What a neat unit to measure by.

[@f3rns]

That’s why we have you, we need your guidance, VRM, phases and all the things we need to understand.

[@josebonilla101]

"Have a 16 phase using garbage MOSFETS from AliExpress" sounds like the AsRock strategy for VRM.

[@andersjjensen]

Especially on their entry level B560 boards... holy shit Steve from Hardware Unboxed did not like those....

[@tudalex]

You need to do this gigabyte 32phase monster next www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-Z77X-UP7-rev-10#ov

[@Vegemeister1]

If you care about efficiency at low load, as in laptops, it's also important that the VRM have low stored energy. When the CPU transitions from boost to idle state, that Δ(CV^2) is wasted..

[@SiRedCat]

That it is for the video. Video continues for another 10 minutes...gotta love this guy.

[@stevenmay4563]

Please go to one of these companies and make your own mobo with them. Imagine the quality of it 😍

[@hsharma3933]

Imagine the cost lol

[@ThePhoneix999]

Kingpin card exists

[@sunnohh]

Imagine the bankruptcy

[@tkpenalty]

Oh man the whole "six gear power shifting" stuff was absolute bs nonetheless fun times I feel like the X58 boards were completely insane and wild with the wacky colours from each manufacturer lol

[@-eMpTy-]

Gigabytes marketing was always kinda weird with the VRM. I remember the "Quad Triple Phase" bs from their X38/X48 Boards.

[@NeoCyrus777]

Hard to believe someone as into this stuff as you didn't know anything about computers in 2008 which was about 5 minutes ago.

[@n0rie9a]

LMAO hardly; then hed be born like 12 minutes ago

[@bobbrown8661]

Gigabyte's full of shit, but VRM's werent really that big a thing back then else it would have been called out. Intel CPUs overclocked quite easily without worrying too much about VRMs, unlike today where they run them closer to their limits out of the box. Nowadays VRMs are the primary selling feature.

[@ruiaz701]

In 2009 I had an ASUS P6T Deluxe x58 with 18 phase of VRM 16+2

[@silver7788]

Idk what's about buildzoid but even tho i maybe understand 1/3 of what's he's saying im watching he's videos from the begining till the end, while so many other creators I just skip halfway through even tho they make shorter videos 😂😂😂

[@LiLBitsDK]

understanding 1/3 is good, then next time you might understand a little more and a little more until you some day fully understand it

[@ajslim79]

all that rambling betweet the content itself is really hard to watch

[@wargamingrefugee9065]

Yes, they have. Maddening, in an 8=16 kind of a way, isn't it?

[@TommyMcD]

When buildzoid says short, I expect at least an hour

[@CyberMew]

Appreciate your effort to keep pointing them out to hopefully keep them honest

[@johnny_rook]

I did get one of these UD5 boards at launch, flashing it to Extreme after I waterblocked it. I liked Gigabyte's skt.1366 boards so much, I got an X58A-UD7 later and at the time, I remember quite distinctly people already knew the phases were "doubled" in the boards. The UD5 and Extreme having 6 real phases (and the UD7 having 12 real phases), was well know among the PC DIY enthusiast community as soon as 2009. Say whatever you want about these boards' phases, the truth is those were the real deal. My UD7 was retired last year, after powering an i7-920 D0 @4.5Ghz for 8 years straight! And was retired not because it died but, because it was time to move on. My UD5 later flashed to Extreme, is still working 24/7 with an i7-920 C0 @4.0Ghz since November 2008.

[@EliteRock]

Encouraging to know that MB's can have such durability - I notice part of the blurb for this Gigabyte X58 is that it uses "50,000 hour lifespan Japanese solid capacitors", which is 5.7 years. Gulp. According to CrystalDiskInfo my Asus P8Z77-V has been powered on for just shy of 47,500 hours (5.42 years) since I built it in Nov. 2012. The P8Z77-V does actually seem to have the 8 CPU VRM phases advertised BTW.

[@johnny_rook]

Yeah. There's a theory going arround amongst seasoned PC builders that leaving the PC turned ON keeps the hardware free of problems for longer. From my personal experience, I certainly agree with that theory. I know it's not the most politically correct thing to say in current year but, if I can leave my PC turned ON 24/7, I just do it.

[@EliteRock]

@@johnny_rook I'm well over being PC(!) and in recent years it's been left on 24/7. I discovered after buying a UPS about 2 years back that it's idling at only 52w at the wall (kudos to Asus), which sealed it for me. But yep, in electronics and engineering generally, power/thermal cycling is reckoned to account for a big chunk of the life of components.

[@arbiterodie7685]

A i7-920 doing 4.5 Ghz for 8 years? Nice OC, my man

[@johnny_rook]

@@arbiterodie7685 :D Had to adjust voltage from time to time but, yeah, it hold. It was a D0 step, though. MY 920 C0 only did 4.2Ghz max but not sustainable for 24/7

Im getting old, still remember. And yes people knew about the phase scams. I still remember the 24 phases boards XD Usually they just had two choke per phase. I did remember looking at just how the choke where hooked up on boards when people wanted high phase boards to try and figure out what boards where scames because that was really a thing in early i5/i7 era boards.

[@The_Man_In_Red]

Yup and it still goes on everywhere. Just look at Nvidia with Ampere architecture. "Double the CUDA cores!" Except it's not double, they just have double the FP32 throughput compared to previous SM design. Seems the PC market has been riddled with false advertising for decades. I guess the motto is "well nobody caught us so we did nothing wrong."

@@The_Man_In_Red if you ask some people an ALU is a core XD There are fundamental parts you need to be able to call it a CPU or a Core or well a phase a phase in a vrm design. If I recall Ampere they just added an extra FPU so making the core wider but calling it two cores or cuda cores. I suppose a Pentium 54C is a tripple core then with two pipelines with two alus and a fpu XD it was just simpler back when engineers decided the marketing and not the marketing people.

[@The_Man_In_Red]

@ Yep. "CUDA cores" definitely don't fetch & decode. Yet another marketing gimmick haha.

[@n0rie9a]

you mean 3, cause at "24 phases"...god damn

[@WTP_DAVE]

Hopefully i keep it short...

[@mesterak]

Your rants are epic and I love how many times you wrap up but then restart the rant again. Thanks for sharing.

[@stevewatson6839]

And that isn't the board with the most Gigabyte VRM BS - "While this board (Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R) has a traditional chemical capacitor VRM circuit, the GA-X58A-UD7 has a more advanced 24-phase VRM design with solid-state capacitors." - Bit-Tech review of Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R; May 7, 2010.

[@vh9network]

What's with all the bloated phases being used on X570 nowadays, it looks like pure overkill. Where was this VRM love for the beloved first generation X399 motherboard? I feel like Motherboard manufactures were really giving AMD the short stick for years.

[@wearethewatt2950]

Nice :-) Errrr, your explanation of diode emulation was wrong.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

Yes it was and thank you for pointing it out. I never really cared about idle efficiency so I only actually looked up what exactly it does after reading your comment.

[@wearethewatt2950]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking thanks for paying attention to details, keep going :-)

[@richardhead8264]

I'm watching this video on a GA-EX58-UD5. It looks nearly identical to your GA-EX58-Extreme, except for the heatsink on the EX58 chip.

[@secdup2510]

ALL YOUR PHASE ARE BELONG TO US!

[@eawblablatron9161]

FFS I just got my x570s Aorus Master based on BUILDZOID's x570 Aorus Master rv (talking about true phases) and then I saw the title of this video and was "WTF?".. You could explain on the title you are talking about 2008. Also if its not too much trouble : timestamps.

[@Vermilicious]

I've got this board from back in the day. I didn't know enough about VRMs to know they lied, but I remember there were many "features" of this board that seemed a bit over the top. Still, it was a good board. Still works.

[@eizomonitor6003]

Can you do the same with GA890FXA-UD5 rev 2.0? I am running FX 8350@4.8 with beta bios and works fine since i have started to use FX cpu. Max, stable oc is 5.0 for my cpu on watercooling. What we use is an unofficial bios from gigabyte worker. Funny thing is, officially this board doesn't support FX cpu's. :D

[@firstsurvivor7600]

19:48 um sucks to be them I guess, um bu- an- and, y'know, nobody in the past bo- was bothered by the fact that the, like the, just, yeah. Um... [awkward pause], like, wa-... There's not more for me to say... on this. It's just... like... This is a 6 phase, and... like thi-this, like... ya, fair. So tha-that's it for the video, um... [awkward pause] and um [...] Best part of the video :P

[@rynz_2893]

I have a Question! How come some traces on the circuit board do a bunch of S turns and squiggles instead of going in the shortest possible path? hope that makes sense

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

legth matching for signals that get sent in parallel.

[@rynz_2893]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking thanks

[@greg_f298]

whats a "solid capacitor"? It looks like a smt electrolytic.

[@TheRoetker]

A simplified expression to indicate a capacitor with a solid conductive polymer electrolyte. Also, saying "It looks like a smt electrolytic" is kind of broad. For your information: - smt just indicates the mount type, ergo smt/smd = surface mount, - all capacitors have some sort of electrolyte.

[@chincemagnet]

My Gigabyte Z270x Gaming 9 apparently had a 22 phase VRM. That board was awesome though, the only thing I didn’t like was it was Terrible for memory OCing.

[@gagarin777]

At that time it was a phase count race between manufacturers. The marketing was doing it's job because bigger number obviously "is better than lower". Check the X58A-UD9 the "top" from that era with "Smart 24 power phase design with mutual back-up to each 12 phase"

[@darkbreed]

i have contacted gigabyte. The 6 buck converters / regulators (they call them operators) used are actually TWO phases in one housing. An advice to "actually hardcore overclocking" one should deal with the electrotechnical possibilities and measurements BEFORE disseminating such FAKE NEWS. Furthermore, the coils and capacitors are DCR sense circuits for feedback of the generated voltage. (12 DCR Sence directly from the phase modulators + 4 for the next combination stage (they also eliminate peaks) + 1 for the last combination stage (also eliminates the last combination peaks) before the voltage is fed into the CPU

[@Zwank36]

Yes we were calling this out back in the day, but this was on forums and LANparties. We knew reviewers were fucking useless, especially since most of my circle had started water cooling before there were even commercial waterblocks. PC Gamer snake oil has been around for years and I've just learnt to look out for it. My recent fav is ASUS and their "Tri-band" routers that only work on 2.4ghz and 5ghz. If they said Tri-Radio I wouldnt have an issue.

[@leaf4664]

Can i ask one more thing. I have no knwldge abt electronics. But, is the inductor placed near the cpu power socket important ? For power delivery ? I'm seeing lower end boards having those but comes with "poor"(to my uneducated eye) power phase, while some other boards without inductors near the cpu 12v powersocket but, have some beefy power phase. Any advise ? You can check recent Intel H510 boards(Asus, Msi, Gigabytes).

[@thunaru]

I enjoy your videos, but when i heard that in 2008 you did not know what a motherboard is...that statement made me feel soo OLD... In 2008 i was overclocking like a mad man a Asus Maximus 2 Formula... That junk still runs to this day in the overclocked state...my nephew plays gta online on it.

[@brovid-19]

Bigger number = more better Why do you think RAM is still rated in MHz? 3200mhz and 3.2Ghz are the same thing, but 3200 is a bigger number than 3.2 People are dumb.

[@StaticVapour590]

To someone who does not fully understand how VRM works, wikichip has great page where everything is explained. en.wikichip.org/wiki/voltage_regulator_module

[@Marti77e]

I had a Gigabyte GA-X58-UD7 rev 1.0 board and that was advertised as 24+2+2 phase design but i think that was only 12 phase. I dont have that board anymore so cant check or send pictures.

[@darkSorceror]

Motherboard manufacturers started marketing phase counts because more numbers more bettar. Especially for Intel customers. Used to be "more MHz more bettar". Then when Pentium 4 architecture hit its temperature ceiling, it became "more FSB MHz more bettar". And so forth.

[@mikropower01]

@ Actually Hardcore Overclocking Phases ... this means that there is a phase-shift during the switching for each MosFET-Gate in the high-side-driver and also in the lowside-driver (this MosFET is the replacement of the diode). What benefits do we get from this? The input current is more even. If all Switching-Regulators would pull current to the same time, then the input-capacitors would have a lot to do. This phase-shift makes it possible to reduce the numbers of the input-capacitors and the output-capacitors. There is a lower ripple-current and this is good. 6 phases is very good. In reality people don't care, this things have to work. What people want to know are the Japan-Capacitors, because this Chinese motherboards had the problem in the past, that the capacitors are blowing up. The Motherboard-Producer did buy very often cheap Elkos from unknown source or crate a cheap design. Normally you could decrease the stress on the electrolytic capacitors (heat production because of the internal resistance) if you add some ceramic capacitors, but they did not and save the money.

[@nelsonpiedade61]

please great GURU of HW can you tell me if the new asus tuf b450 gaming plus 2 as vrms enought power to suport an ryzen 5600X on OC??please. i switch myne msi b450 gaming plus to the tuf an got an ryzen 2600X and pretend switch to the 5600X in september.i have an aio from artic frezeer 2 240mm and im very satisfeid with this tuf but i trust your brain opinion better then any other guru out there. please just take a look at the tuf and post someting about it. i already know the board as not the 8+2 vrms they say. is 4x2 + 2 phases. but they really look well done and i notice better performance out of the box just from switching from msi to this tuf.so im confused.

[@jooch_exe]

Of course the reviewers don't care about the design, they're getting that stuff for free (most of the time anyways). It has to look cool, have a bunch of features and perform well. Overclocking performance isn't always related to hardware, software has it's part too. At the time hardcore overclocking was also not as hardcore as today. Bottom line: if the average Joe can get good results with minimal effort it's a good product. I've had plenty of well designed motherboards with crappy BIOSes which would simply not allow for certain FSB speeds or memory timings, simply because the BIOS was buggy.

[@DevilbyMoonlight]

I feel totally schooled! lol nice job and explanation, I remember the early VRM's that came out for the 3.3v versions of '486 which appeared in their twilight, back then they were a plug in module that went into a slot next to the cpu, they were required if not running a 5v part. thanks again I learned a lot .subbed!

[@phsyhologus]

Remember, when AMD took an arrow to the knee because of their bulldozer cpus real core count? It's 2021, so somebody please sue all the lying motherboard manufacturers (also, force them make somewhat transparent pcbs, that black pcb trend is really boring).

[@darkbreed]

at 18:58 lower right corner the manual says 1 to 6 phase operator ............. maybe A double step-down two-phase buck converter is used, so 6 of them are indeed 12 phase counts. looking at the component you cannot tell whether it is a one step or a two step. Update: i have contacted gigabyte. The 6 buck converters / regulators (they call them operators) used are actually TWO phases in one housing. So there is no such thing as a lie, just a youtuber who brings assumptions instead of measurements and knowledge to get clicks.

[@kostasbezaitis2695]

Hello there, since you brought up some older stuff, I think taking a look at some Gigabyte GA-8KNXP would be interesting. Maybe the Ultra-64 would be the best one among them.

[@budiisnadi]

I remember reading about that fake power phase count back in 2010. I don't fully understand it back then and still don't fully understand it even now.

[@andersjjensen]

Nice one Mr. Buildzoid. However, it wouldn't have taken much effort to extend the video by 17 seconds to keep the normies away! :P

[@MotoCat91]

Phase counts are like how many cylinders your car engine has.. Higher numbers often correlate to better performance, but not always and only if they're designed well. You can get an amazing V8 engine in a performance car.. but you can also have a stock NA V8 that uses more fuel and makes less power than an inline 4cyl turbo that makes fart noises when it changes gear. People still buy V8 trucks just because they can brag about it, plus the whole 'no replacement for displacement' despite being slower than a soccer mum's diesel SUV

[@Rafael-rn6hn]

The correct way to advertise imo is: how many amps the board can delivery while run non-stop without shortening the lifespan of the components, throttling or critically failing (i.e. by not overheating). If they wanted to go above and beyond, they'd publish an entire curve profile of how it behaves temperature-wise as the amperage increases

[@jawalbert7788]

Please do a video on the EVGA FTW Z590 WIFI I have one I am building now with a 10850k

[@anasevi9456]

outside of msi or ecs, in the late 2000s enthusiast motherboards were typically overbuilt, but dumb for the cpu's at the time. The problem is they became too efficient with their designs.

[@Salsuero]

I've been building computers as needed (and mostly as a hobby, but also for my business) since the early 1990s. I don't remember ever hearing anything about VRMs or phase counts or anything of the sort for my first couple decades of doing so. It wasn't until I looked into building a gaming PC a few years ago that I noticed this new terminology. I had to research what it even was because it was entirely foreign to me. I'm not an electrician. I'm not a physicist. It was like they decided to overwhelm us with technospeak in order to sound better than the competition. I guess that sells.

[@katt2002]

they could use 1 inductor but they paralleled 2 per phase instead so we count it correct, 12 inductors = 12 phases, consumers wouldn't know. false advertising.

[@maxnietzsche4843]

I think the reason for that came from that the media (computer magazine, online reviewer) always educate the DIY fans how to count the number of „phases“ on the motherboard by counting the number of solid capacitors around the CPU socket. Which is not always true but however historically always useful because no one used more than one solid capacitor for each phase. However the manufacturer got that in mind and pushing the number of solid capacitors to the limit, so they can confuse buyers and be fancy on the advertisement. Either the marketing department is doing this willingly or they were as uneducated as the casual audience as well.

[@lantech280]

Msi claims 22 phase X79 Bigbang Xpower ii, but IDK how many are truly there.

[@pr0jectSkyneT]

I still have my Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD7 motherboard.

[@WrathchildVU]

low rds is low resistance between the drain and source.

[@andersjjensen]

Thanks!

[@MikoMuru]

You need to make an update video on the evga cards failing in new world. The problem IS with evga cards cooling system. It is not an nvidia problem. This is an evga engineering failure. You should admit you were wrong.

[@katietree4949]

Zoid, just make a motherboard already. While you're at it, tell Steve to make a proper chassis too. Guaranteed, both of those would sell out to every single one of both your subscribers, easy.

[@DirkFedermann]

and that is why, people like you are so important. To educate consumers about these things. It now only needs to get out of this bubble by some bigger YTer and maybe the Manufacturers will change the marketing.

[@UltimateNox]

Typical marketing bullshit. Not surprized in the slightest.

[@ritzh2908]

Now ho could they get rid of it if they yust telling the truth they fall back compared to the liars. If they make real 12 phases it would surly more cost intense. Even 12 single line phase sounds better then 6 double capacitor phases.

[@johnconnor4486]

Learned what my first pentium3 mobo from a compaq desktop was in 2006!

[@konstantinalekseev5455]

Do we have actually true 16+1 phases today? for 13700k 13900k

[@josephkelly4893]

Love piggybacking your knowledge BZ, thank you for your work