Rambling about the Gigabyte B550 V2 motherboards and doublers in VRMs.

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[@biscuit715]

To be honest I use these videos to sleep to. A lot of it just turns into relaxing tech based white noise. Then I watch it the next day and actually try to understand what on earth is going on.

[@anhiirr]

just the whole library on shuffle

[@karama300video]

The same happened to me two or three years.

[@cartoonhead5819]

Maybe its just his carming voice :)

[@srebrenko13]

Holy sheit I thought I was the only one

[@aaronvictor8176]

dont you just love the loud ads in the middle of your sleep

[@soundthesam]

After sitting in my electrical circuits class for 3 months. I now understand most of what you are saying

[@dietzi96]

Wat? Only DrMOS?!

[@enzymeboost8386]

After half a year of sleepless nights i also start to understand what hes talkimg about

[@PeteTheL337]

"If consumers weren't idiots" -- quote of the year :P and I'm one of those idiots when it comes to VRM setups. Thanks for enlightening me.

[@cartoonhead5819]

I get the funny feeling BZ like ppl as much as I do.....

[@yajnalgibno6536]

haha me too

[@bjn714]

"The short version of this..." hahaha The Buildzoid version of anything is never short, lest not in a video!

[@gregchristie2763]

Wow... Somebody who actually knows what they're talking about.... LOSS OF THE DOUBLERS DOESN'T MATTER..thanks very much 👍... But if you want a type C header get the V2

[@ammartech3660]

Watching the video while memtesting 4x8gb 3600 c14 .. Thanks for sharing !

[@klyplays]

Instead of numbers, can the Marketing people just use a 3950x/5950x overclocked with poor active cooling on the vrm and just let use know the max temperature under prime95? That would be a better marketing tool tbh.

[@elsasslotharingen7507]

Hard to replicate such a test. It'd be better to make a dummy motherboard to validate the theoretical heat output of the VRM's with something to simulate a stock 5950X under load. Then you could also measure the heat dissipation of different heatsinks with/without airflow.

[@klyplays]

@@elsasslotharingen7507 everything is hard, someone will make it happen, but most probably will result in most of their boards failing the test, ergo they won't make such a rating anyways.

[@elsasslotharingen7507]

@@klyplays I don't think you understood me. If you want a scientific result, you need the test to have results which can be consistently replicated. For that you need to eliminate variables that aren't relevant to the test, such as climate, the quality of the energy you get from the wall, case/fans/airflow configurations, varying silicon quality interfering with frequency and power consumption, etc...

[@klyplays]

@@elsasslotharingen7507 yeah, just take the worst case scenario. We obviously don't live in lab conditions anyways.

[@dmitc01]

32:01 Ten point thirteen upsets me to no end.

[@emperorSbraz]

i have a bag of 100 mosfets here on my desk --> my desk is a 50 phase vrm.

[@PolskiJaszczomb]

If you stretch the calculator wide enough you'll get a history of calculations. A protip.

[@amirsyazwan5976]

so what is the TL;DW?

[@penguinton7691]

Are you planning to make more videos about transient response? Already watched your video about the basics of transient response but it would be nice if you showed how you get a better transient response out of your motherboard for your overclocks.

[@ninezerofive]

Mate, when you have a chance and pictures. Make one about ROG DARK HERO !! Waiting in anticipation !

[@Rylos277]

I was wondering about the dark hero as well. I assumed it's party trick of 90A power stages vs the 60A power stage of the crosshair was completely unnecessary.

[@Bill-flatplanefool]

Yes this one...

[@ninezerofive]

@Actually Hardcore Overclocking you can use this :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGSrap-sh8qIa68&ab_channel=%E6%9E%97%E5%A4%A7%E9%A4%85Bing

[@marianmarkovic5881]

So basicly reworked Power delivery which did not needet rework and added one internal USB-C which they lacked, which may not be as stupid since number of PC cases whit front USB-C increased and will increase till AM5 introduction.

[@Tr0nism]

BZ pls stop calling Watts (W) Resistance (R) it makes me Sad.

[@noer0205]

He isn't doing that. He is filling in the amps of current into the formula (P = I^2 * R). Leaving R as an unknown constant. Remember unit of R is Ohm, not R itself.

[@drslothy]

You can open multiple calculators by middle-clicking on the taskbar icon... This works for almost all windows apps, it should launch a new instance.

[@chestercopperpot3793]

Years working with Windows and this is a new one for me - thank you.

[@gregmaggert8561]

Its like you basically sold me on the v1 after saying it wasn't worth it lol

[@jasoncruze1493]

Basically pick your poison, both are fine in terms of VRM efficiency where V1 is slightly better. In V2, gigabyte saved the cost of implementing doublers and used that to implement usb c's.

[@dh66]

transient response is better on the v1 but it costs $0.50 more to produce, no type-c header though. I don't miss it having the v1 board, because all my type c stuff has a type a to c cord anyways

[@daviasdf]

Any hope that during this update Gigabyte addressed the USB/RAM issues that people are complaining about? I've seen a ton of complaints involving USB disconnections, lag/stutter, supposed poly fuses tripping, and RAM clocks not being met. Reports are inundated with conflicting reports of workarounds from turn on XMP, or turn off XMP but manually input clock&timings, bios updates, bios rollbacks, enabling ERP, etc...

[@burkskurk82]

One USB has been removed or removed in V2. Gigabyte is referring to for BIOS update. But there is an issue with the USB-ports and C-state starving the ports.

[@SynZ777]

Nope. Still an issue for me at least. I'm just at a loss other than throwing this poorly designed shit in the trash.

[@daviasdf]

@@SynZ777 yeah, it didn't look promising a year ago, so I ended up getting as ASUS board.

[@brandonyoung7760]

So basically you're paying more money for a mobo that looks better or has a few extra add-ons. If you're not worried about looks or the extras get a cheap mobo 👍🏼

[@stigi3849]

Buildzoid is MY bestfriend:)

[@Veserius]

The mATX Pro-P seems interesting here. They swapped the VRM out, went from 1GB LAN to 2.5GB, and it's the same price. If the VRM performs better as it should you basically get a straight upgrade. Edit: looking at the specs page they call it both a 12+2 and a 10+2 at various points on the page, that is certainly not confusing.

[@AngelicHunk]

Yeah, their own page is useless with how inconsistent they are. They even imply it has a Thunderbolt header (#15 on the diagram), but I highly doubt it has that.

[@Veserius]

@@AngelicHunk The thunderbolt header is real, they sell an add-in card for it, it uses the bottom pcie slot in conjunction with the header www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-20#kf

[@jintsuubest9331]

"Consumer are fucking idiots". Cue all the memes. Captain Obvious. No shit, Sherlock. Cage - You don't say.

[@carlod803]

A 37 minute rambling video, let me get my coffee for this.

[@Bill-flatplanefool]

Is there any over clocking benefit to going x570 over b550 if both boards have a similarly capable vrm? Or is it just pcie4 to the chip set ?

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

no X570 just gives more bandwidth to the chipset.

[@georgedimitrakoudis1902]

I want to put 4x8 G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 32GB ram, is it compatible with this motherboard"?

[@neferiusnexus]

3:23 Look up classic calculator :) There's a way to bring in back in win10

[@acosta2493]

Where can I buy this mobo ? Cant find it anywhere

[@yendak]

Someone asked the Gigabyte Support and wrote on October 19th: "The Gigabyte Support says it's available in 4 - 6 weeks" So 2nd half of November or maybe early December.

[@tonkatoytruck]

I have a question many of us are wondering. How is this "smart access memory" feature work with the 6000 series cards and 5000 series cpus with PCIe 4.0? Is accessing all the gddr6 memory from the video card via PCIe 4.0 faster than using ddr4 system memory on the motherboard for graphics? Speculation is welcome too!

[@mamuf]

My two cents: Current system works basically like this: CPU asks storage (HDD/SSD) for the data, loads them into RAM, then copies them from RAM to VRAM. This process may involve other things like decompression. The problem is that there is too much data movement, it has to go (1) from storage to RAM , then (2) from RAM to VRAM. If you consider the decompression part, its even more: (1) storage to RAM, (2) RAM to CPU, (3) CPU to RAM, (4) RAM to VRAM. The steps 2 and 3 are a simplification, but basically all the data have to go through these steps. Now, I'm not sure how exactly the "smart memory access" should work with all that, but one may assume that instead of having to load all the data into RAM first, they could be loaded directly into the VRAM in one step (not sure how the things like decompression will be done). The other implication would be that since CPU could access all the VRAM, the GPU won't have to shuffle the data received from CPU to other parts of VRAM just to make room for more data from CPU. This all together should hugely speed up data loading from storage to VRAM.

[@tonkatoytruck]

@@alfa-psi then why does it require PCIe 4.0?

[@Haos666]

@ Actually Hardcore Overclocking Thank you Buildzoid! I had v1 already ordered and soon-to-be shipping, somehow totally missed v2! Managed to cancel it though and snatch the newer version at the same price. Extra USB 3.2 port is always welcome.

[@adammarette2491]

Really like your content. I have a fairly decent electrical knowledge but still have a lot of learning to do to understand your content fully. Any resources you suggest I bring myself up to curve? Outside of just googling everything and hoping to find an accurate source of info 😆

[@azazelxii4030]

I most likely won't understand any of this, is it worth a buy or no?

[@CapriciousStoic2]

From what i undersand .V2 may have worse VRM's ...but somehow it should not matter - and it rely's on more filtering capacitors. Are not capacitors something that can degrade over time ? and as such the board with less relience on capacitors is better ? / Meaning .V1 is better ? [ Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite .v1 ]

[@dh66]

yea buildzoid should have gotten to this...looking at the two boards, the v2 DOES NOT have an filtering capacitor increase, therefore the v1 will have better transient response with the 6617's.

[@RoNy164]

I want to buy a new PC for Black Friday and it would be super nice if you could make a video of in your opinion, what are the best Mobos atm for Ryzen 5k on the low, mid and high end and of course why, etc...

[@earthtaurus5515]

@RoNy164 he has done a run down on the 500 series board previously seperated by OEMs. Some boards will have changed since the videos but most of it would be still be relevant. I'd suggest checking them out to give you base line of what to look out for on motherboards. Also wait for the 5000 series reviews as AMD initially said the memory support was the same as Zen 2 however it appears the memory clock controller maybe have been improved therefore able to supporter faster rams at Memory Clock 1:1 Infinity fabric ratio. This ratio gives you the best performance, for instance I have a 2700X (Zen +) which supports max speed at 2933 officially. The Ram I use is rated 3200 Mhz XMP but I'm running it at 2733 Mhz. This gives me a ratio of 1363.8 Mhz Memory Clock : 1366.7 Mhz Infinity Fabric Clock. As both the infinity fabric and memory clock is tied together any higher RAM over clock there is performance loss due to the ratio being skewed aswell as instability. As the memory controller is on the CPU not the motherboard, however Zen 2 and Zen 3 the memory controller and infinity fabric aren't tied together allowing for faster memory at 1:1 ratio.

[@AngelicHunk]

Thanks Bz. This was super insightful. I was hoping someone would cover this since I've been eyeing the Aorus Pro-P for that Ethernet upgrade (GbE to 2.5).

[@steveburke3]

Can anyone find a V2? I'd prefer having a USB C header, but I can not find any V2 at all.

[@hexoson]

Same, can't find it anywhere in the US.

[@NOMADCREATIVESOLUTIONS]

Well I got the ASUS Tuf B550 at less than half price and my 3600 will now do 1900 FCLK easily.. I went back to 16GB ram and it was my second pair of crucial sticks so maybe 1st set didn't like 3800 but i doubt it.. could be motherboard.. could be 2nd sticks tried as 2x8 but 1900 3800 got.. couldn't stabilise that on X370 board with another set of 2x8 same memory.. not a huge difference like but a tick in the box..

[@sbeyer17]

In Germany the V2 isn't really available so You can buy it but for an 18% price increase

[@Bastyyyyyy]

checked it out too, the mobo was literally 40€ more

[@shaneeslick]

G'day Buildzoid, So if you are buying a new motherboard... Don't judge a VRM by the Advertising 'We did Bigger Number is Gooder VRM' 🤨 wait for the Buildzoid Breakdown 🥰, because Buildzoid will explain which motherboards have 'better built is Gooder motherboard' 😉

[@Daxter250]

at the end all i understood is, that this doubler is useless and phases running in 7-3A (10A trotal) has a higher loss than running 'em equally on 5-5A.

[@tomascermak581]

Buildzoid, will u ever overclock low end card? Because they have huge headroom, for example, you can squeeze from GTX 1650S performance as 1660/1660S. I think it would be interesting journey and video. Also, with liquid nitrogen it might be funny

[@theunholybakery1990]

If it's not the best, ex-best or exotic hardware then i highly doubt that. On a side note, do you have any proof of a 1650s matching or beating a 1660? If so, please link it.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I've done old low end cards. I really don't care to spend 200ish on a low end current gen GPU.

[@RyTrapp0]

Give it a year or two when they're a generation or two old and dirt cheap on the used market, then I bet we'll see them on AHOC...

[@impendio]

What is the point of the phases and the power stages in general? I know nothing of motherboard electronics. I do have power electronics knowledge just not applied to computers.

[@dandaly7305]

spreads heat load to keep temps in check and allows use of cheaper components

[@rawdez_]

and less voltage ripple to feed CPU with more stable current so it'd be stable at higher frequencies. you can achieve the same result with much higher frequencies but components capable to work on those frequencies either overpriced or don't exist.

[@astronemir]

This thing is on sale for super cheap, is it worth it for a 5900x guys?

[@youreverydayshorts9283]

Did u findout bro or which one did u use?

[@philipp594]

Some of your videos are as hard to dijest as the lectures by my eletrical engineering profs - the only difference beeing that I care more about motherboards than theoretical concepts. (Still not a compliment).

[@jackz166]

So, in the end the vrm on this mb is good?

[@stevenmurray1869]

First

[@nassimkamah4879]

Rambling about the GIGABYTE B550M AORUS PRO-P ?

[@renumihai5263]

bought an PRO (v1) paired with an 5600x after this video, glad for the choice, 10q for the tips !

[@142tech]

How does the B550M Aorus Pro-P compare to the original B550M Aorus Pro? It seems to have completely new VRM design.

[@MeanTheBean]

quick question buildzoid! I have a CPU, Mobo and RAM verified to work with DOCP 3600mhz - unfortunately the Mobo was bad and had to RMA it(ASUS X570i - i watched the whole rant thing you did on that one) now when i got the new board it won't boot? what could be the reason. Same board model btw.

[@timchambers5242]

The problem is the marketing people should have stuck to a "phase" means the number of phases the controller can control not the total number of MOSFET's. And "power stages" (PS) meaning the number of MOSFET (power stage). Then quote the maximum power (average Watts) & current (average Amps) for the biggest CPU it supports. So an example for a current 12+2 phase 50A MB could be really: 4+2 phases 350KHz, 14 power stages, rated for maximum 400w, 300A average to the CPU. Then I could assume that the one with more phases & current may be better (if only the transient response, ripple %, capacitors & inductors were all the same). voltage x current = power (if DC & no ripple, RMS = average). en.wikichip.org/wiki/voltage_regulator_module

[@AnlYALCINN]

bro i was looking optimal / good (without overheating and performance instability issues) and im now here. I was looking mothoerboard for 5600X or 5800X. Im not good at motherboard knowledge much and my english understanding is not best. Can you help me about choicing the model. Thanks.

[@DJRaffa1000]

-if memory serves correctly the asus board for the overclockable xeno w 28 core had an 8 phase controller feeding 4 powerstages at once turning the board into a 32 powerstage monster.- woooow i literally should have watched 10 seconds ahead instead of pausing and writing the comment XD ohh and my win10 lets me use multiple calculators. I would go crazy if that didnt work.

[@plonk420]

for multiple Calculators in Win10: once one instance is open, right click on the Calculator icon in the Taskbar at the bottom, normal click on Calculator. 2 instances open!

[@p1st0ls44]

none of this matters at all as long as the motherboard isnt dirt cheap. 97% of all b550 motherboards could handle a 16 no problem... still a fun video to watch though :)

[@Christopher_42]

hi man, nice video, one question please, should i buy b550 auros pro or b550 tomahawk? please respond.

[@MrSparkefrostie]

Super happy to find a trusted source giving a vote of confidence for the v2....a bit later the day it arrived

[@amardosenju8947]

I went with this board for feature set have 5600x on pre order will 5900x run well on this board? Or should i stay with 5600x? My options 1.b550pro/5600x 2.b550pro/5900x/plus$450au 3.b550master/5900x/plus$700 Using pc for gaming high refreash 1080p (360hz or close to this) game: apex legends primarily OBS to record gameplay in background ive been overthinking open to input

[@dh66]

now you should get a 5800x3D!

[@buggyduggy2431]

I just figured out the Pro AX is the same set up as the v2 but with wifi. Sweet, you can't buy either right now but hey, they appear to be the same.

[@HoraceFoca]

Good evening Sir! I was actually so hyped, looking forward to a hands-on explanation for the MEG B550 UNIFY X (www.msi.com/Motherboard/MEG-B550-UNIFY/Overview) I'm comparing it with the Aorus Extreme / Godlike for the 5950x preordering ... I really don't know where i stand now. Any inside info? God bless!

[@anirudhs9200]

Correction - the phase doubler halves *frequency*, not *pulse width*. Pulse width of the two output waveforms was the same, from the phase doubler data sheet you pulled up.

[@mvhdsk1122]

Dumb Question incoming... there must be ways to program these VRM controllers... If there are doublers on V1 and the Controller supports interleaving, wouldn't it be possible somehow to get that unlocked? :D

[@dh66]

they are programmed though the bios and pinouts integrated into the motherboards. the v1 does use interleaving..

[@Unknown-jl7mg]

somehow reminds me of mercury vapor rectifiers. 3vs6 phases for vacuum tube badass transmitters more phases=better in general, less ripple. also it has to do something with charge input spikes, it should be gentler to input power source. bms.isjtr.ro/sheets/090/8/866A.pdf

[@davidashurov5255]

Bruh the b550 chipset has been out for what since like march really on the V2 now? A motherboard vendor like an msi or an asus should hire BZ

[@wiibrewlover5923]

I'm not sure if you know this and I'm honestly not ragging on you, but in the calculator, you could've used the MS button to save the number and then you can use the MR button to bring it back up to show it to the viewer or use it for another calculation. Just saying... EDIT: Oh yeah, you can also use MC if you don't want it to be saved anymore or you can just overwrite the saved number by pressing the MS button when you want to save a different number. Just an FYI, that's all. EDIT 2: You know what, never mind. I'm not sure if this applies to what you wanted to do with the calculator anyway. Just take my comment as you will and only pay attention to it if you want to. Good video, anyway. Thanks! 👍

[@StitchExperiment626]

EDIT 3: (comment removed)

[@shengxiang3253]

Yeah most consumers just want it to work magically without understanding it ...

[@Robert-Wip]

Funny, it looks almost exactly the same as my own X570 Aorus Pro, hmm.... So with that i mean this X570 Aorus Pro: www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-PRO-rev-11-12#kf

[@AaronShenghao]

Looks even more similar to my X570 Aorus Elite... I wonder why...

[@ShomyMK]

Damn some update massed up the calculator! I could do it few months ago! To open multiple calculators... Great video!

[@PhilNEvo]

tbf, there is so much to learn and know about computer specs, that it is hard for the average consumer to spend the time learning about it all.

[@Centail]

Here's hoping there's one for the new Asus boards out before the 5th. Dunno whether to go the tuf pro or tomahawk for x570 yet.

[@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513]

So how did this explain the current draw in my ice cream machine

[@Geralt26]

Heh, I recently asked such question :). Thank you for a video :)

[@vjrvideo]

Trying to buy a v2 but nowhere to be found in USA

[@rawdez_]

YES!

[@kian8382]

Had I known it would help me understand this video better I would definitely pay more attention to the math teacher in my studenthood.

[@arturpaivads]

Add the power usage from the 6617 and your 1W is gone hahaha

[@ahoymateeez]

These insights are always helpful no matter when they land. Thank you very much!

[@ExPsy]

Do the x299 boards with that isl doubler run at interleaved mode? I'd make sense cause of the fixed voltage i/o.

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

I've not checked so IDK

[@bourne_]

Any inc vid on MEG-B550-UNIFY-X ?

[@jorgehyzak]

Thanks for the explanation, very clear actually.

[@borsig4379]

So which one is better ???

[@MerseYattle]

Aorus Pro vs Gaming Carbon?

[@philippbeckonert1678]

: I have had the Aorus Pro V1 and it's stability is garbage as is it's usb controller and ethernet controller. Both spass out. You can fix USB if you don't plug your mouse and keyboard into 2.0 slots but that's just not how this should work. It might work because the faster USB ports go directly to the CPU as I have heard. I send my board back as RMA and already bought the V2. Hope this works better with the r5600x.

[@philippbeckonert1678]

@El Cactuar : Well, it has a USB C port on board so that's a plus for some people. It had the same issues but with better bios and turning off global c-state control in bios it works well. So far for oc-ing I can run my R5600x at 4,725 Ghz at 1,2 Volts(not allcore oc) and all core oc 4.8 Ghz at 1.3325v. The LED RGB on this board is shit and the software to controll it is even shittier. The features and the build quality seem really good though. I'll have to wait for a bios that can mem oc to 4ghz but I do think that's comming. I WOULD recommend the board if you're thinking about buying. I got mine from a danish shop for 150€ which was a total steal for a brand new board.

[@philippbeckonert1678]

@El Cactuar : Yeah, that's the one.

[@philippbeckonert1678]

@El Cactuar : I'll check that out. Last time I checked there was 10p some time just after christmas. Thank you buddy!

[@f-22raptor25]

I might also get the v2 along with 5600x, has it been good?

[@philippbeckonert1678]

@@f-22raptor25 : Sadly, no. Not perfect but better. I hope that somehow new bios will fix it. RAM is stable though.

[@dietzi96]

Which MosFET? A TDA21472?

[@alimbhanwadiya]

If possible can we have both of these tested to check actual performance difference on high core count CPU such as 3900x. Really curious to know if its a bummer that i just bought the old variant which is not v2

[@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking]

there won't be a performance difference. The VRM will just run at a slightly different temperature.

[@alimbhanwadiya]

@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Ohh thanks!

[@radstd]

Hoped there would be test of two versions of MB...

[@Maxdifficultylive]

So what are the top 3 b550 boards?

[@reflectedOS]

Rookie here. My equation for choosing a motherboard is reviews on Newegg and Amazon, then if Buildzoid likes the board, I put it on the short list to choose from. Some Aorus boards get consistent thumbs up from top KZbin reviewers such as Buildzoid, Hardware Unboxed, etc., but I get sort of talked out of them by some of the consumer reviews I read as a lot of them are generally mixed reviews. In my perception, MSI seems to be really the only brand that consistently checks both boxes. Why is that? Edit: Specifically speaking, the X570 Tomahawk, Unify check both boxes. Almost perfect reviews and all the KZbin motherboard thought leaders love them. There aren’t many boards like that that seem to please everyone.

[@biscuit715]

Cant really answer your question and to be honest I'm surprised, MSI has a history of poor build quality and crap customer support. To be honest I wouldnt give too much weight to consumer reviews, the consumer is generally stupid plus there will always be a large negative bias - not many people bother writing reviews to say "it was what I expected".

[@reflectedOS]

@@biscuit715 Good point, and, yes, I know a lot of the early MSI X570s were a disaster, for example. I have only been researching boards off and on for a little more than a year.

[@rawdez_]

you don't have to buy X570 Tomahawk or Unify for a gaming rig, those boards massively over-equipped for a general build. what you really need is probably ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS or MSI MAG B550M MORTAR or MSI B550M PRO-VDH WIFI.

[@MrThirumalar]

Hi mate, Is it okay to use a Asus TUF A520 Mobo for running 3300x stock, 16gb 3600hz ram stock and a 3070 stock ? Will it throttle badly, or will the VRM hold up ? I'm skimping on my processor, Mobo & ram, and investing it all on my GPU... Please help me understand if it will work well.. oh, I use a lianli lancool 215 stock case for the build, with Corsair RX750 psu...

[@nazlfrag]

That will work fine, I've tested a 3300X on a cheap a320 board and it performs superbly. Should have no problems with the Asus a520. The rest of your setup is fine assuming you have a 2x8gb kit for the ram.

[@MrThirumalar]

@@nazlfrag Thanks Mate ! 😀 That's great to know ! I'm proceeding to buy a nice A520 now !

[@Rokim1983]

@@MrThirumalar Just saying&guessing 3300x will probably squeeze maybe 70-80% of gpu usage.Gpu wont run on max usage I can guarantee u that proc is too weak for 3070.That proc wont fully utilize even rtx 2070Super. As for vrm,meh u can run up to 8 core on 60$ mobo for breakfast,if somehow she dies after 2 years and warrenty expired u go and buy anonther even cheaper one just dont mess with oc and voltage.Im still running i7 870 on 11 years old 50$ gigabyte mobo in one of the computers.

[@MrThirumalar]

@@Rokim1983 Thanks for replying, mate.. 😊🙏 So, VRM on a A520 is okay for a 4-core no problem... That's good news... I was looking for a Gigabyte Elite A520, but it is unavailable for sale in India... Best option is to go for Gigabyte DS3H version or the Asus TUF version, M-ATX boards... And, about CPU bottlenecking the GPU, Gamers Nexus Steve's review video on 3300X says it barely bottlenecks a 2080 TI. That's how I came to the conclusion that may be it won't bottleneck the RTX3070/Radeon6800 @1440p resolution. Anyway, It is not like a 3070/6800 is currently available. So, I will keep watching for availability and price... Something good is bound to come up soon... 😊

[@Daefus]

Is it the same for all v2 versions ?

[@buggyduggy2431]

The other thing that needs to be pointed out is how many b550 boards dont have usb 3.2 connectors on the boards for all the cases that have it at the front or on top of the case. The pro v2 & the pro ax have this support. A big bonus in my book.

[@overkillonslash]

Do you know what is the difference between pro ax and pro v2? Other than the doublers. There seems to he no pro ax v2. I need the usb c for front panel

[@dh66]

the v1 has a USB 3.2 header as well

[@justsaucerawsauce8291]

Does VRM matter even if I'm not doing OC?

[@AaronShenghao]

Cooler VRM gives you longer life and cheaper electrical bills, both are negligible if you are more budget oriented. (hence why lot of OEM board have little to no heat sink while have only a few phase/channel)

[@XxxTheCoolKidxxX]

thank you

[@Dennzer1]

Thanks buildzoid./

[@bakedveal2624]

First for once.

[@laylowx]

Can't find this in the US :(

[@ggzii]

thanks for these videos, best motherboard for a 5900/5950x for someone using 1 GPU, 3 NVME's, 1 is PCIE4 the other are slower storage ones and a capture card. I keep thinking the only board is the msi unify, but its expensive! thanks if you answer

[@k4riku]

Sub 300$ (at least here where I live) Gigabyte X570 Aorus Ultra Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master (but you would split your pci4 x16 (GPU) into 2x 8x (GPU & m.2 ; and if you use pcie3 m.2, the GPU will run on pcie3 as well) MSI MEG X570 Unify ASRock X570 Taichi ASUS ROG Strix B550-E with Akasa Dual M.2 PCIe SSD adapter

[@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX]

my brother managed to get the Unify on sale on amazon around mid july with a 3900x and runs smooth as butter, and yeah, for multiple NVME is probably one of the best mobos out there, obviously its downside is that it only has 4 SATA ports, but there are PCIE cards for that anyways, still, i rarely see people using more than 2 storage drives in general.

[@ggzii]

@@k4riku Thanks currently looking at GIGABYTE B550 VISION D but it only has 2 nvme slots

[@ggzii]

@@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX Thanks currently looking at GIGABYTE B550 VISION D but it only has 2 nvme slots

[@k4riku]

@@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX yes, think so too, that 3 m.2 are currently kinda odd - I use 1 OS m.2 , 1 Game m.2, and rest are sata drives for mass storage

[@diegoignacio4923]

Great video!! Hey Bullzoid, do you think that with the upcoming feauture S.A.M on the 5000/RX6000 series, knowing that it's a dead end for the AM4 socket, it's justified to go after a X570 board over a B550??? there will be some penalties in performace when S.A.M enabled???

[@andersjjensen]

Smart Access Memory is AMD's marketing name for something that has been common in servers for a long time: Resizing the BAR. BAR is short for Base Address Range. Long story short: when a PCIe device registers itself on the bus it can set an address range of that the CPU can address. This is done before the OS is booted. And because of Intel's stupidity and a ton of legacy reasons the maximum size of this address range is... 256MB.. However, the limitation is only in the actual data exchange format that is used doing boot. So quite some time ago both Windows and Linux got support for re-negotiating the size of this address range once the OS was up and running. This was necessary for large RAID controllers, as those need the CPU to do some heavy lifting for latency reasons, as DMA is slow to initialize compared to raw writes of the CPU.... Fast forward to present day: RX 6000 has gotten support for telling the OS that it is capable of having it's BAR renegotiated and Zen 3 has gotten support for the PCIe extension that allows for addressing past 256MB on the card.... SO... It should be chipset agnostic, since you connect your GPU to 16 of the 20 PCIe lanes that are exported directly from the GPU. I'm not saying that AMD hasn't artificially segmented this though.. but until we get all the proper documentation from AMD (I'm aware of the uncertainty their foot notes at the RDNA2 reveal has caused) I'm operating under the assumption that the "If you pair a Ryzen 5000 processor with an RX 6000 graphics card" statement given on stage to be correct.

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

@@andersjjensen thank you this was something i was trying to figure out too.❤️

[@diegoignacio4923]

@@andersjjensen Thanks for the detailed explanation! I even reached Frank Azor himself, and he told me that B550 will be supported only after BIOS update, but he doesn't go too deep on how it will be perform. We have to wait and see how affects both plataforms.

[@andersjjensen]

@@diegoignacio4923 I'm fairly certain that the performance uplift will be all over the place. That is, some games will benefit wildly, and for others there won't be much gain. And here is why: Well optimized games engines load assets ahead of time. That is, they initialize a DMA transfer well before the asset is actually needed. DMA offloads the CPU (That's why it was invented) at the cost of a small latency penalty, but the effective bandwidth is the same (PCIe 4.0 x 16) as CPU raw write. So games that are already taxing the CPU hard may perform better with better with DMA, and games that can keep basically all assets in VRAM (or predict when they are needed a little a head of time) will be much the same. I do, however, suspect that going forth this will aid ray tracing titles quite a bit, as by the very nature of things reflections can all of the sudden invalidate the predictions about what needs to be rendered, effectively putting the CPU in a "yikes!" situation where the scene can't be fully rendered until certain geometry or texture objects are uploaded to the GPU.

[@AlbertRazzer]

does it work with zen 3 without bios update?

[@MarkoLomovic]

depends whem MB was manufactured so you can get one with sticker ryzen 5000 ready or not. But in any case you should download latest version of bios and flash back it for immprovents and stability.

[@option_n]

Just ordered a v2 fingers crossed it will last me long. Thanks for all the input and help me decide with all your latest videos (also on GN)! Take care, keep it up =)

[@marcantonio6938]

Where cause I can't find any in the U.S

[@benjaminserra5884]

Hey guys, are you happy with your V2 ? did you overclock ?

[@option_n]

@@benjaminserra5884 just did some pbo and just a tiny bit of ram oc 3200cl14 oc'ed to 3800cl15. I'm pretty happy with the board however, I had some issues while oc the ram because for some reason I wasn't able to get into the bios after a bad ram oc. I am no expert by all means but that is something I haven't had issues with any board before. I had to use the clear cmos jumper multiple times until it actually cleared the cmos. That would be the only thing I'd complain about. Pbo undervolted a 5600x to 4.8ghz boost. In a p400a with dark rock tf air cooler temps under load settle at around 72c. Edit: also had to Flash the bios to latest version. Bought it for 168 euro on proshop in EU.

[@option_n]

@El Cactuar same got mine for around 168 Euro. Has yours also been sent just wrapped up in paper? xD no damage secure at all...

[@benjaminserra5884]

@@option_n thx for feedback

[@saintkamus14]

My b550 aorus pro is plagued with issues... USB will freak out with mild memory overclocking (and I mean mild, anything above stock is problematic) the network port is unstable even at 100% stock settings (will randomly shut down, and will require a computer restart) I'd stay away from this one if anyone is considering it. I'm using crucial rev e memory with it on a 3600 that I bought temporarily until Zen 3, and it's been a very unpleasant experience.

[@michaelbitzer7295]

You might want to contact costumer support and see if you can get a replacement.

[@user-nu3on3or7n]

Have the same board with B-die 3600 C17 Overclocked to 3666 C14 and I have 0 problems. If I raise Infinity clock to 1866MHz or above I get crackling audio (On a USB Amp).

[@andersjjensen]

Do you have spread spectrum enabled or disabled?

[@nazlfrag]

Have you tried updating the bios?

[@SynZ777]

@@nazlfrag There's been a ton a bios releases that were intended to fix this issue and it still remains for a lot of people. Whoever designed these boards should be quartered and hanged.