Carburetor vs Fuel Injection for Long Motorcycle Trips!

Which system is better for an adventure trip?
In this video, I will reveal the pros and cons of each one of the options. I hope that it will help at least one person making the right choice!
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[@SomeInfoSecDude]

I love your no-nonsense, no BS reviews. Real facts, straight from the trenches. Extremely valuable. Thanks!

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure!

[@smk99us]

I learned a lot from you. Thanks from Saudi Arabia🇸🇦

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure!

[@michawesoy2728]

My first three bikes were carbureted. Chinese, Honda, and Kawasaki. After many misadventures (mainly with Chinese and Kawasaki), two things happened. First, I gained very extensive knowledge about carburetors and how to maintain/repair them on the road. And the second thing, I will never ever use that knowledge again. I won't forget, when I tried to open the malfunctioning CVK carburetor on my KLR 650, everything just fell apart in my hands. Turns out, the mechanic (who was supposed to check my carb earlier) broke a vacuum spring, damaged the vacuum hose, few screws were stripped, and then I was... screwed. Or carbureted. I "fabricated" a few screws (zip ties and some nails), "glued" spring together (zip ties, adhesive tape), plugged vacuum hose with tape, and returned home burning twice as much fuel as usual. CVK carbs can be pretty complicated pieces of sh... Comparing to them, fuel injection is much simpler and harder to break. Happy owner of fuel-injected Honda CBF. 20 000 km without any trouble. For someone coming from carbureted bike, this is mind-blowing. And yes, I'm always packing spare fuel pump. If something is gonna be wrong with fuel injection, it will be the fuel pump. Easy to repair.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Well explained, thanks, Michal!

[@teneretraveller8980]

With fuel injection, realistically your only problem will be the fuel pump, which usually fails because of poor quality fuel full of muck. A good filter system will keep ahead of the problem most of the time. Changing jets and raising or lowering needles is a faff and often trial and error. Never an issue with fuel injection. For me it's not a choice really. But to each their own. Happy travels

[@motorcycleadventures]

Agree!

[@andreixrt9866]

Fuel economy is a big one too

[@teneretraveller8980]

@@andreixrt9866 yes, quite agree

[@flapjack2773]

I konw someone who never cleaned his carburetor for 92k kms. He never had a problem, he never had them sync or cleaned, that was on a honda hornet (2006) so it can be possible.

[@lucalluyn4072]

Pavlin you are the best, another great video ! And I absolutely love your Bulgarian accent, your English is perfect! Greetings from Greece !

[@motorcycleadventures]

Wow, thank you!

[@grhmnz4648]

Fuel injection is the one for me ,and I have this on my air/oil cooled bike . I understand that others will like carburetors and that is great because they will be riding the bike of their choice . In the past my bikes have had carbs but I wouldn't return to them .Great topic Pavlin .

[@motorcycleadventures]

The same for me!

[@patrickdk77]

Fuel injection also normally comes with other things on bikes to make the ECU operate properly to control the injector. Altitude/air pressor sensor that can be easily damaged, but normally well protected. Or an alternative a mass airflow sensor, possible o2 sensor. While I would say those failures are less than a fuel pump, but still common failure points and adds to a parts list for replacements. But I personally would still go fuel injection even though I can resolve a carb myself, you tend to constantly need to adjust it and clean it, unless you use it constantly and always have good clean fuel.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for sharing!

[@xorogue]

I've vowed to never own carbureted bikes some decade ago, and never regretted this decision.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Good!

[@michawesoy2728]

Yeah, the same. Even if I'm in that 10% of bikers who can repair a carburetor. Never again.

[@themosaito]

Thanks, Pavlin. Always trust you to come up with a counterintuitive and informative point of view.

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure!

[@markowsley4954]

Modern EFI is usually very reliable. I'm glad Kawasaki went EFI on the 2022 KLR. Love easy cold morning starts with injection. Until I started watching your videos I had never actually seen anything about Bulgaria Your country is beautiful and someday I would like to see it in person. Please keep the videos coming

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time, Mark!

[@9ictv2]

Great video Pavlin. I like the way you bring us along for a real nice ride AND tackle a popular talking point for riders! Always a pleasure to watch and listen!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@gokcemuratozaydn799]

Hello komshu 🤝 (hope you didn't mind when i refer you komshu?) from a stormy Istanbul evening. Possibly same in your area. Just wanted to tell you Balcik in Turkish means mud puddle. Also; best wishes and thks again for keeping the community informed and focused during the covid period Murat

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure, Komshu!

[@khriszty2000]

I find it so cool that you respond to every single comment. Keep up the good work! 😉👍🏼

[@satishvasane6812]

I also like the humanity. He is very nice person.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Always!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks, man!

[@johnseiler6917]

Thanx, this segment provided was a good "did you know" inclination about carburetor and fuel injection. I can vaguely remember back in the late 1970s when I was a teenager, I used to cut large lawns full of grass using lawnmowers with carburetors. I had learned how to troubleshoot those kinds of engines from a course in high school. As a matter of fact, small engine mechanics was the only knowledge I acquired of any kind of mechanical engineering at that time and haven't worked on an engine since then, I focused more on playing sports from the 1980s onward. Not until recently, in my mid 50s, have I gotten back into riding motorcycles and the modern sophisticated engines are far beyond my knowledge. Anyway, I understood most of your carburetor pros/cons and could relate to adjusting the governor so to perfectly set the flow of gas to the engine in order for it to run smoothly without sputtering and eventually shutting off; it took a little time to learn. I have so much to learn about the new technology as I haven't logged that many miles on my bike yet; it hasn't broken down on me--yet! I do have long distance travel goals set for the near future. I may not always comment on all your posted videos; however, I watch them 95 percent of the time. I feel more comfortable watching your videos than riding my motorcycle to gain experience. Yes, I know watching videos aren't going to improve my riding skills. Perhaps by watching your videos will add to my natural instincts when I need to apply any immediate safety measures in the future, which I hope to never have to do. Be safe!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time. John!

[@terrencegreen9560]

Great explanation on a great journey of why it must be fuel injection for world touring. Also i agree you should put a tank filter sock in tank to stop contaminates entering your tank. Keep up the great work you wise old sage!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Good!

[@christiandelgado1589]

I totally agree on your points about fuel injection system. More economical and stress free. Broken fi system is very rare.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks!

[@beith2009]

Hello. In my experience is the opposite. I have a 3000 usd Chinese motorcycle (carburated) and I already helped two BMW GS owners to reach the closest town because their fuel pump overheats with temperature of 40+C⁰. Maybe it was lack of correct maintenance. I really don't know what happened. But the facts are there. And it is hilarious to see their faces when they are helped by a 250cc low cost chinese motorcycle. Greetings from México

[@motorcycleadventures]

Ok

[@DawaiMulders]

I fully agree i have an XT500 ‘78 an XT600 ‘84 these a nice and simple bikes but for a long motorcycle trip i deffenitly take the XT660z. I can fix a carburator but only in my garage on the road it’s just to difficult. You can work at the 500 carburator on the road no problem but on the 600 there is no space so you need help. Nice video 👌🏽

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for sharing!

[@GooseDave]

Carbs are always a compromise at certain points throughout the rev ranges too. Fuel injection is much more reliable than it ever was. But, carbs can run badly forever lol.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Nothing lasts forever!

[@G58]

Sorry, but that’s not even close to the truth. A simple shorted wire from a sensor can prevent the fuel pump from operating. Shorts are very common on bikes. Breakdowns for such reasons are the most common EFI issues. Carbs cannot be affected in that way.

[@chrzanik666]

Hey Pavlin, same temperature in southern UK on Friday February 5th was blown away by temperature 15C and spent all day riding first Fuel injection BMW and later carburetor fanatic casa. As long as the weather is good it doesn't really matter 😀😀😃😀😃 today Tuesday 9th we have 30cm of snow 🤔🤔 safe travels Pavlin

[@motorcycleadventures]

It is what it is!

[@laszlobauer5274]

I can fix carburetors, cleaned them, rebuilded them with new membranes, orings and so on. But in my garage, not in the middle of the road. You just simply cannot bring spare membranes, rebuild kits, prings and a carb sync tool with all the other tools. Even a 30 year old carburetor is nothing like the one on a Simson or old Jawa, and you need to pull all fairings, fuel tank and airbox even to have a look. Not even telling about starting it up after few months, and the possibility if that your carbs fail, fuel easily gets mixed with oil and before you know it, you can have serious engine bearings failure.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Agree on this!

[@Sufibrothers]

Question 1 yes Question 2 yes Question 3 yes Great video thsnks

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure!

[@andrewonmyway8184]

Older bikes have carbs and work well when sorted. I know how to fix and maintain mine. I don’t ever need a mechanic as I have taught myself to clean and tune my carbs. . It’s not hard to sync carbs but you have to make sure you have no air leaks first. I agree with you not many people can work on their own carbs. It’s a dying skill. Newer bikes have injection systems and are mainly trouble free. Cheaper to produce and less service work. On the whole I agree with your comments.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks, Andrew!

[@betruly7894]

I love your trusty bike she owned my high respect. Me i know your chanel and your bike, however the new comers they don't know you and have no clue what bike you ride. Inform them in the description, your bike will thank-you😉she deserve it.

[@motorcycleadventures]

That's true!

[@RoadKing05FLHR]

Very good points in your video. I have both. One being a Road King, single CV carb. I tuned it properly and it works great now in Death Valley at -200 ft to Pikes Peak at 14,000 ft while having the best power and fuel economy. No adjustment need in the last 50,000 miles around the country. Never had to do anything to it other than tuning it initially for more power. Over 100,000 miles. Fuel injection is not nearly as forgiving for bad fuel. The filters are finer to prevent clogging of injectors. Keep filters changed and carry a spare. For carb use a filter and carry a spare. My KTM has 2 filters inside the fuel pump so in the event of changing it the pump has to come out of the tank. Either remove the tank or drain the gas. I carry filters and a pump. If we ignore problems the fuel injection is tuned better. Carbs are going away due to EPA. Not all efi is great. Especially older ones.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time, David!

[@RoadKing05FLHR]

@@motorcycleadventures recently did my 30k km service on the KTM. Changed the fuel filters. The kit came with a pump for an extra $40 so I changed the pump too. I might do that every 30k and just keep a used one for a spare. Changing the filters requires taking the pump apart anyway. Probably best to change filters every 15k km.

[@allenhuling598]

Good discussion, and I agree with your conclusion! Ride safe!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks, Allen!

[@JozsaMarton]

*INFORMATIVE VIDEO I TOTALLY AGREE! my personal experience: fuel injector does NOT like water (washing bike or riding through water), fuel injector electric connector gets short circuit because of the water, if not sealed correctly. of course, I envy my motorcycle friends, who know how to adjust/fix carburetor). fuel injectors are okay (reliability) but fuel pumps can be a problem.*

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for sharing!

[@milankanazir5852]

yes, your right about everything, have spare coil on my R1150R, injectors is checking when ride or when maintenances bike, but my pump is in the tank, think when you get spare pump I need to have another thank for 15-20l fuel, carburetors on the trip long time ago on my friend bike become so dirty they stopped running, all four clean with water, assembly bike, not perfect but another 400km we are home

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for sharing!

[@giorgiogrillo7418]

Of course, based on your big experience, you said smart and logical things. My choice is for carburator. I accept some maintenance more than injection system in order to have better feeling with the accelerator comand, less times unforeseenable problems with electric and electronic components. About me the only disvatage for the carburator is the effects on lubrication (and so engine durability) of not perfect mixing ratio by this feed system compared to the always perfect (if good) injection system

[@motorcycleadventures]

Fair enough!

[@AnCuth123]

Fuel injection all the way. I own bikes that have both and always gravitate to the fuel injected, and believe me I clean and maintain my carbs. I have yet to have fuel injector let me down. Can’t say the same for carburetors. Great stuff, Pavlin. Keep’em coming.👏🏻👏🏻

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time, man!

[@fabiotiburzi]

Fuel injection is aweasome, but remember to keep the filter clean

[@AnCuth123]

@@fabiotiburzi without question 👍

[@motorcycleadventures]

You cannoit see it, it is in the tank.

[@fabiotiburzi]

@@motorcycleadventures i know

[@juanmauricioneira7864]

Agree Fuel injection is the best !!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Good!

[@RohithRithanya]

Very useful video

[@motorcycleadventures]

Glad to help!

[@johnroberts2290]

Another glorious day in Bulgaria. I have always had carburettor bikes until this new one I have a VStrom 650xt. I'm looking forward to seeing the difference once we get out of this F£&###g lockdown. Keep on riding 😁😁👍🏍️

[@motorcycleadventures]

Have fun!

[@bryanreeme8584]

Carburetors suck, but fuel injection blows 😂

[@motorcycleadventures]

Cool!

[@lifewithglee]

Good video. Converted me to Fuel Injection... I still have Carburettor but next time...

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thank you!

[@G58]

Even though I’m in the top 10% you say can fix a carb, (it’s incredibly simple by the way) the real point is that the chances of finding someone in a remote area who can fix a carb is far higher than someone who has a computer with the correct software to diagnose issues with an EFI system. Too many models, and too high costs and updates to keep up. EFI bikes are now just cellphones on two wheels! And the reason you need a computer with the correct software, is because the majority of issues with an EFI systems are related to them not receiving the correct messages from the multitude of sensors designed to stop tiny Swedish Elf Puppets from crying. So carrying a spare injector and a spare pump is not going to be the solution, because it’s more likely to be a sender or a shorted wire from a sender that’s caused the fuel system to stop working. Furthermore, many of the parts for EFI systems are far more expensive than for carbs, some cost hundreds of dollars, euros etc. Then there’s the older EFI bike situation, whereby the parts are no longer available. And I’m sorry Pavlin, most carb bikes have a tank filter, and most serious bikers (especially those embarking on long trips to places with dirty tracks and potentially dirty fuel) have been fitting inline filters since the 1970s. It’s the most popular common sense modifications known to real bikers. I’ve fitted them to all my bikes for over 45 years. I do agree with what you say about the new breed of bikers who do not have a clue how to fix their bikes. But Darwin has a plan for them...🧐😎😜 Emissions legislation has made it IMPOSSIBLE for motorcycle manufacturers to build bikes with carbs and still comply with those regulations. We know this fact already. The way these things work is that climate lobbyists (working for the oil companies and banks) influence the fake carbon emissions peddling climate conferences, which in turn set targets; regulatory bodies set standards; then governments pass regulations; car and motorcycle manufacturers design solutions to cope with the new regulations. All the evidence is in plain sight. But everyone needs to make a higher profit to cover the cost of all that development work. So car and motorcycle manufacturers sell the diagnostic software to selected dealers, and as always, built in obsolescence takes care of the rest. More expensive parts that need to be replaced equals the greater likelihood that the owner will eventually break a bike and sell it for parts, then buy a new bike. Again, we have all the evidence. I used to own an advertising agency, so I’ve sat through far too many top level strategy meetings to not see this game for what it obviously is. My philosophy is simple: Reduce the number of things that can kill me. By ‘kill’, I mean literally take my life, and the life ANYONE or the operability of ANY THING upon which I rely. I once drove from the UK to half way up Norway (and back again several weeks later) in a Volvo with a blown engine block base gasket. I just removed the radiator cap to reduce the pressure from the water system to prevent water from entering the engine, and contaminate the oil. The radiator boiled low every few miles, so I refilled it with an improvised washer bottle from another car, operated by a spare switch on my dashboard. When that was empty, I refilled the whole system from bottles. That car did another 6,000 miles with that setup. The idiot that worked on my car disturbed the paper base gasket when he worked on the head, but failed to replace the paper base gasket. He tried to kill my car. I removed him from the equation, and found a solution. But if the wire from an exhaust sensor shorts to Earth, and the fuel management system refuses to allow the fuel pump to work, I have to find the issue in the dark??! Who’s the idiot then...? Me for buying an EFI bike! Even a drained battery (very common issue, especially with modern bikes that have USB chargers) can prevent the fuel pump from working. Can you jump start an EFI bike??? No. I rest my case. In the long term, there will be only electric bikes, all even more vulnerable to electronic, electric, fire and obsolescence issues, and those who kept their carb bikes. EFI is therefore a transitory solution ultimately designed to kill bikes as we know them. And of course electric bikes will kill ALL unsupported long distance remote travel, unless we believe that Andean villages will have the resources to install wind turbines, after all the lithium has been extracted by the giant corporations.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Well, you have your opinion but I think that it is way too pessimistic!

[@G58]

Motorcycle Adventures We will see. First we have to survive the banking reset. 7 people seem to agree with me.

[@hossp2365]

It’s funny how people talk doom and gloom about electric vehicles. I imagine the same was said by horse owners in 1895 when petrol vehicles began branching out. It is a simple supply and demand situation. Where there is a demand, supply will follow. It often pays to think outside the box. Small remote villages can put in their own solar / wind supply, power their villages and earn income from electric supply. They will just replace the tanker truck and fuel they have to buy with solar and their own power to sell.

[@andycapp8843]

Your case is based on doom mixed with a copious mix of gloom. For too many decades I have travelled around Europe and N.Africa on fuel injected engines, and part from the odd relay, bulb and puncture always returned home without incident. With a simple and now, very small OBDII code reader, an app on the phone it is possible to locate the cause and in the main, get to the nearest town where dealers will have or obtain the necessary sensor. If you know your bike, these parts are tiny and you will have a spare tucked away in the luggage and without the need for the OBDiagnostics. Like you would clean and adjust the carb’s on a twin, after a certain mileage you will replace the fuel pump, filters etc. You should not travel the world on a bike without first getting to know and understand the machine or have trust in others that do and will provide the necessary guidance. You mention wires shorting...same applies to all bikes. When an injector begins to run inefficiently, you know from the manner of the bike’s performance and unless you’ve been too lazy to change the filters they do not block and instantly fail. You can make it to a place of safety and repair. Adopting a responsible attitude to your travel organisation a fuel injected bike is no different to that of the traditional carburettor that have caused irritating delays in the past due to fuel leaks. You talk about parts being expensive....on my trips I have never had to replace an expensive part, you omit the term reliable which they are. I have a 2020 twin adventure bike and Covid permitting I hope to wander back into N Africa in September/October 2021 for about two months and will carry a few filters, a tool pack, puncture repair kit, innertube and a smile. My glass is constantly full, or half full, luck is self generated and at three score years plus some more there are many places I have yet to explore with the help of technology.

[@G58]

Hoss P You wrote: “It’s funny how people talk doom and gloom about electric vehicles.” How long does it take to fill a tank and pay? 5 minutes? How long does it take to fully charge an electric toaster and pay? It’s not bloody 5 minutes is it? “ I imagine the same was said by horse owners in 1895 when petrol vehicles began branching out.” Yep, as an anal ventriloquist, I’m guessing you would be an expert. “ It is a simple supply and demand situation.” No it isn’t. And I guarantee you couldn’t explain that principle without Googling it. “Where there is a demand, supply will follow.” How is that going to solve the battery capacity and charge time issues then genius? And if the alleged reasons for swapping to electronic are because of the impact on the climate (which we know is nonsense) and the frequently predicted impending alleged peak oil situation, how are we going to cope when the truth gets out about the true impact of manufacturing batteries, and the finite supply of lithium? I deal in facts, not colloquial versions of theories. “It often pays to think outside the box.” Been doing that all my life. “ Small remote villages can put in their own solar / wind supply, power their villages and earn income from electric supply. They will just replace the tanker truck and fuel they have to buy with solar and their own power to sell.” In 5-10 years time? Don’t be silly. Ever heard of a development roadmap? The timescale is off by a factor of at least two, probably three. Then you’ve still got to deal with the lithium supply and charge time issues. And when India gets involved in the repackaged power cell business, we are going to see people getting fried. Thinking outside the box involves studying WHY things are as they are, and asking that classic Marcus Aurelius question, and that vital legal question Qui Bono? Please, do some actual research next time.

[@Liam1304]

I largely agree, but i have to note that at least one of the tour companies running Royal Enfield Himalayans into the HImalayas prefers carb over EFI because there are apparently 2 items that con go wrong with the EFI which need spares to fix. These spares are not always around, so they prefer carb. Once it is jetted for altitude and cleaned every so often there is no problem. Just what I heard, but as I said, I still largely agree with you ;)

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time!

[@lluhi]

I 💟 Carburator. Saludos Pavlin desde Ciudad de México

[@motorcycleadventures]

Gracias!

[@GuzzizbIm]

I must admit that I am jealous that you have perfect weather and so many beautiful roads and places nearby. My next long trip should be to Bulgaria, I think. When it comes to today's topic, I'm not sure what I think. But to all of you who are looking for the perfect motorcycle, stop it! Take the one you have, service it and go now and do not wait for you to get too old or sick.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Yes, the bike is just a tool, the travel is what matters!

[@johnmortison5763]

One benefit of EFI that you didn't mention is that in the event of a component failure, the ECU will display a failure code telling you what component has failed making it simple to fix the problem (if you have the spare component with you).

[@motorcycleadventures]

And software to read the code...

[@johnmortison5763]

@@motorcycleadventures You don't need software to read the code. In diagnostic mode, the bike will blink the codes to you. You will find the meaning of most of the failure codes on the internet. Just write down the codes on paper and make sure you take it with you.

[@ger13nunyah56]

Bloody nice mate

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks!

[@nfdisco3484]

Thanks for making these very informative videos.

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure!

[@mictoolboxc6563]

Back in the day when a vehicle stopped, short of running out of compression the first thing to check was the pionts, because that was the thing on the engine that moved the most now with efi the thing that moves the most is the fuel pump,

[@motorcycleadventures]

True

[@piearm1271]

That’s. great view at the start! Beautiful area.

[@motorcycleadventures]

It really is!

[@lluhi]

Fantastic place Pavlin. I 💟 Carb.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Cool!

[@HR-eb4vs]

like these types of informative videos Pavlin.

[@motorcycleadventures]

More to come!

[@agustinussantoso4577]

thanks for this video. thanks for the answer at previews video about injection, now i just buy injection motorbike

[@motorcycleadventures]

Glad I could help!

[@dezmondwhitney1208]

I would not be surprised if a lot more visitors came to the Black Sea resorts of Bulgaria after watching this video.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Good!

[@Sixbears]

Royal Enfield changed over to fuel injection on the Himalayan, solving a major short coming with the bike.

[@motorcycleadventures]

True

[@craccozelpa]

you don't need to be a mechanic to open a carburator or synchronize it. It's easy to learn. I think that if you plan on going on very long trips in remote parts of the world, it's necessary to have some mechanic skills on your bike (know how to disassemble parts, carburators, filter...)

[@motorcycleadventures]

Sounds easy on paper but the reality is different. in the last 10 years, I met many riders on the road but just a few know how to fix their bikes.

[@craccozelpa]

@@motorcycleadventures well, that's kind of irresponsible. I wouldn't want to get stuck in Mongolia in the middle of nowhere just because I don't know how to do a simple fix

[@motorcycleadventures]

That's you! As I said most of the travelrs that I met have no ide how to fix their bikes.

[@RoadKing05FLHR]

If you frequent internet forums you find that these days a lot of people cannot tell if their battery is dead. It's a dying skill to perform routine maintenance and repairs. Not that long ago people were upgrading their efi to carb.

[@bimmere36classic94]

I always had carburators engines. But i wouldn't mind to have an efi engine at all. That being said i like the carburators power delivery. I consider myself on the %10 who can open and rebuild a carburator. Good video . Thanks

[@motorcycleadventures]

Fair enough!

[@gabenguyen1216]

I agree with your arguments and I lean towards fuel injection. But I decided the next bike I buy will be a DR650 which is still carbureted. The reason? There is aftermarket fuel injection support! lol

[@motorcycleadventures]

Cool!

[@mihaimihai9254]

Hi Pavlin! On topic: Even Kawasaki gave up to carburetor when they lounched their new KLR 650 (I don't know if we're gonna see it in Europ even I hope so), They kept the simple construction, the single cylinder but they made it fuell injected. Of topic: Was that beer the tasty Burgasko? Big yaaammmmy if so ! 😊

[@motorcycleadventures]

Yes, Burgasko! Thanks for taking the time again, Mihai!

[@mihaimihai9254]

@@motorcycleadventures It will be always a big plesure for me, Pavlin!

[@enduromotorradtouren]

I prefer injection systems, because they work in any altitude, don't clog over winter and don't need inspections. Anyway, my two (mild) Enduro bikes have carburettors, because they are older constructions. The most important thing for travelling is not carburation, but getting up from the sofa and start the journey ;-) Greeting from Nürnberg/Germany, Günter PS: Snow outside, I do envy your mild temperatures in Varna and being able to ride.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time!

[@hussamalomari6407]

you are the best Pavlin thank you bro

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks, man!

[@antoniocoutinho511]

Very interesting approach, nice sea view. 👍

[@motorcycleadventures]

Glad you liked it!

[@skaraborgcraft]

I think, as you say, this is not an issue for people who ride with new bikes anyway. I ride a 40 year old XL250 that i know inside out. I have considered, or at least would like to try a newer XT250 or KLX250 with injection, just to see if there is much difference on economy. 80mpg was always affordable.......but i hear an NC700 can do that too!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Good!

[@aminf.9112]

that's why small planes have a mixture control lever to lean the petrol/air mixture, when climbing...

[@motorcycleadventures]

Good to know!

[@rocketrollsvlogs7625]

Great points sir. Thank you.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Glad it was helpful!

[@juanmauricioneira7864]

amazing places , thanks for share !

[@motorcycleadventures]

My pleasure, Juan!

[@estbiker]

Have had both but I'm the carby-person. If carby is set-up properly, some high altitude is not a problem, will just lose some power aswell with EFI, EFI just burns petrol more properly. And if weight ALWAYS matters, I don't wanna carry a spare fuel pump. I instead would take a spare carburettor, not much different in price too :)

[@satishvasane6812]

True said

[@motorcycleadventures]

Pump weights way less then spare carburetor!

[@patrickarchibald6787]

Hi Pavlin, Bulgaria looks beautiful! Carb or injection, both good. Cheers from West Oz!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks 👍!

[@lupo631]

No discussion: If I would be able to change on my old motorcycles from carburator to a retrofit injection system I would do it. Never ever I heard of problems of new motorcycles injection systems. In the beginning, yes, there have been some problems, I know, but these have been technical teething problems and nowadays the advantages predominates. As you said: altitude is a problem when you go over 2000 m altitude. That is the reason why Yamaha use on some Teneres carburators with an atmospharic compensation system (membrane based automatic pressure adjustment). Efficency and fuel consumption is also a topic. Very often I ride with a friend, he rides modern bike, I prefer old bikes. Both bikes have similar power but he always has injection systems in his bikes and I carburators. I always have a higher fuel consumption. One point is the fuel cut off in overrun mode, the other point is the accurate fuel injection a carburator never has. The difference is often more than one liter at the same route, riding together, same speed etc. etc. All your points are correct Pavlin, I agree in every point.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time, Lupo!

[@lupo631]

@@motorcycleadventures You're welcome.

[@dinnuwicaksono]

Yeah it's always become sexy topic for many years. Personally I see between carburetor and EFI has it's own adventeges depend on what kind of rider you are and where you gonna plan to ride. Like here in Indonesia carburetor spare parts is more easier to find, you always can find small workshop to fix it even in the middle of no where. So based on my situation, generally EFI is more sophisticated, efficient and effective. But carburetor is more wiser.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time!

[@oldmosikle7356]

I totally agree with u that FI system is good. However, my lovely " Shisuka (Kawi 175 cc) " is 23 yr. old with carb system air cooled had more than 100,000 miles. Though I am an old fashion rider, I accept new technolgy but to change my old friend to find new one is not my concept. Just like a long married couples lived together for 20 yr. then new young girl who is beautiful fresh appears. Are you gonna replace your long time friend in exchange with new one ? New techology is good and better but in some case old technology suits old people.

[@motorcycleadventures]

We all love our old biukes or cars but I cannot say that they are better then new!

[@supriadiramlan5545]

nice vids IMO, if people want use the motorcycle extensive , Fuel Injector way to go, the saving on fuel consumption will pay itself the higher sparepart price like ECU, and all the sensors more optimize power and fuel consumption but not sure how long the manufacturer produce the ECU and the sensors in the future but if u just low milage in same period of time, the fuel saving not that much, when u have to replace much more expensive "electronic" and sensors etc :) my 1972 & 1981 150cc vespa and 1993 200cc Honda still using carb, and since i lve in SEA and all those 3 was single piston, and never ride higher than 3000M or on the snow, carbs still serve me well, other location might differ :) but i agree if people want to very long distance , better with FI (the power & fuel efficiency) and make full check which part near EOL maintenace before u go

[@cbsakias]

The good about efi is that we can improve it by own by power commander etc.The bad is that efi is depends on electics and electonics of the bike.About carburetors,if we have good mechanic we could be very happy.

[@motorcycleadventures]

If we...

[@xpayleskill]

I prefer injection, but the system require more than an injector and fuel pump to work. It use many sensors everywhere on the bike. Also modern carbs like lectron doesn’t have elevations and tune problems

[@motorcycleadventures]

Okay

[@babahimachali]

I have to visit Bulgaria 🇧🇬 one day, hopefully sooner than later 🤞🏻

[@motorcycleadventures]

Good! So, my mission is completed!

[@babahimachali]

@@motorcycleadventures yea 😀

[@motorcycleadventures]

Cool!

[@babahimachali]

@@motorcycleadventures but you have to share more videos from Bulgaria 🇧🇬. I think we haven’t seen it all.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Here you are, 38 episodes: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIDIfamAqrSJmMk

[@MrEtnorb]

Re FI systems, if you have to change the fuel,pump you have to drain the tank. Unless you have something to pour the fuel into, or have extra fuel you have a problem, especially in remote locations. If you have a flat battery you can’t roll start an FI bike but you can push start a carb bike. If your battery is not at peak condition, it will spin the motor but will not have enough voltage to run the fuel pump. Speak to KTM owners (I am one) and you will find that many carry a spare fuel pump (500/690 owners) as they are a known problem area. Re altitude, Lyndon Poskitt says that the FI Dakar bikes lose power but not as badly as carb bikes.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time!

[@CptSlow89]

Im for EFI, but motorcycles that I like (90s) and that I can affored, usually don't have EFI.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Nothing bad with both!

[@ioandragulescu6063]

@10:41 the people who say that never had the pleasure to take out and blow the clogged nozzles of a carburetor. And there's more than one, per carburetor :). Never had the pleasure myself but I know this from my father's old Dacia car, until he also fitted a "custom" filter to fix the issue. And god forbid if, while you're angry and tired on the side of the road, you manage to drop and loose those nozzles, as small as they are ...A small kit with spare nozzles should be mandatory for people who own carburated vehicles. As a side note, search for "Miss Shilling's orifice". It's an interesting story about carburetors :)

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for taking the time!

[@laszlobauer5274]

I need to disagree with you on the manufacturer idea at the end. With fuel economy emissions are better on injection engines so unless the EU turns upside down, carburetors are not coming back any time soon.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Okay

[@fabiotiburzi]

Yay! I'm into that 10%

[@motorcycleadventures]

Good!

[@fabiotiburzi]

@@motorcycleadventures yeah, the px 150 is wonderful for maintenance

[@WolfDog375]

Lucky for me I and some of my friends are those 10% that can fix and sinchronize a carb. So carb it is for me. But for all of my other friends which i know won't be able to fix or maintain a carb I highly suggest taking bikes with EFI, mostly so they don't bother me maintaining their bikes and wasting my time ))))) And really some bikes are better off with EFI, for example a 4 cylinder sport bike, the 4 carburetors are more likely to leak and 4 membranes are more likely to tear + it's a pain in the ass to take those carbs off those bikes. But on the other hand, a friend had a Yamaha R6 with carbs, sold it and bought a newer R6 with EFI, said that the old one with carbs was more fuel eficient and powerful... WTF... ))))

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for sharing!

[@andrecanoso149]

Pavlin can you make a vídeo talking about what fuel /Gas use in long motorcycle trips? (Here in Portugal we have 95 Simple octane , 95 additives , 98 additives) Big fan of yours vídeo, thank you!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Whatever is good for your bike and your budget!

[@andrecanoso149]

@@motorcycleadventures Yes, I agree with you, I most of the time put 98, it feels good for me and I Ride a lot. But I think a video about the fuel and the Management of the fuel it will be interesting

[@hossp2365]

I am a mechanic and in my experience fuel injection on bikes very very rarely give trouble. The op’s “can you fix the carburettor yourself” is the actual real question. And the answer is generally, no you cant. So you will need a mechanic. Lots of times we have seen bikes and cars come in where people have tried to fix the carburettor and messed it up. As per what the Op says mid way through the vid. And mechanics around the world have been around FI for 20yrs so it’s not like they wont know how to fix it. (Only taking FI here, not ECU etc.). I ride an ‘08 BMW GSA with 366’000 kms on it. I carry a GS911 diagnostic unit. If it stops, I can diagnose the issue and order the parts it needs. So - if you have a bike with a carb, carry a carburettor rebuild kit. Get the mechanic to fix it. If you ride a FI bike, carry a diagnostic unit. Have fun.

[@motorcycleadventures]

It is what it is!

[@212driller]

Never had an issue with carbs but I grew up with em. Both have their merits and downfalls.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Agree, both has some pros and cons!

[@Carlos-bp1vp]

The fueling in the F800GS is atrocious from the factory. It's like an on/off switch at low speed. The best fix I found was to wedge a piece of electrical wire in the throttle cam by the engine, effectively making me turn more throttle for the same power. Only works for cable theottle. It cost nothing and did far more than a computer to vary the AFR (although that helped some). I keep good mpg and throttle control, win win.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Good to know!

[@mattman3495]

Even Harley-Davidson made the switch to fuel injected 15 years ago. The trend definitely looks like fuel injection in the dirt bike market too. Unfortunately it's another reason driving up the cost for dirt bikes. I'm completely sold on fuel injection. Same bike for 19 years FI no problems yet. Probably just jinxed myself LOL My main riding partner has a carbureted bike, seems like that thing never runs right.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Thanks for the info!

[@alijalali5729]

Absolutely for a adventure trip carbarator is very better than anjector. Sensor map. Ecu. Oxygen sensor abd........oni of thiy take minimum error motorcycle 🏍️ stopped. But in carbarator you can check that very simply.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Not many people understand carburetors and the injectors almost never fail.

[@bobvincent5921]

Thanks. If you want power with efficiency you go infection.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Agree

[@masterace1150]

There are upgraded carburetors which will not require tuning and its plug and play systems...its also on youtube.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Okay

[@RoadKing05FLHR]

CV carb is somewhat self adjusting due to a tapered needle valve and the way it operates within the expansion tube. With the proper jet it can run just fine from below sea level to over 14,000 feet without adjustment. Power will always be decreased at high altitude but there would be no need to adjust for a trip where you are changing altitudes all the time. It has to be rich enough for the lowest altitude where power will be the greatest. A lot of people tune for max power near sea level and that's too rich for high altitude. For touring max power is unnecessary.

[@ChristophLeitl]

Walter Colebatch prefers EFI, because there are not so many failures, actually very little. And Lnydon Posskit prefers carburator.

[@motorcycleadventures]

10 people 10 opinions!

[@Motoreger]

I'm jealous!

[@motorcycleadventures]

It is what it is!

[@riderramblings]

Unfortunately, in French, Phoque means Seal...

[@motorcycleadventures]

Okay

[@advmotorrad]

👍

[@paulfairbrass4424]

I'm afraid to say carburettors have had there day. As you've pointed out if you are able to fix a carb, you need a very clean area to do it. Any spots of dirt will block the jets you've just cleaned.

[@motorcycleadventures]

True

[@davosDR]

one thing you did not cover is the cost of modifying fuel injection as you have an expensive power commander module to make your fuel injection run properly with your aftermarket exhaust, power commander here in australia costs around $500 + then usually needs a dyno to make it run in tune add $800 .A carburettor jet only costs $8 and can be changed with little effort.of course if you leave your bike standard this is not a problem but over here nobody does.I sold my xt660r last year which i did love and now have the dr650 and am enjoying riding a much lighter machine.

[@motorcycleadventures]

You don't have to!

[@davosDR]

@@motorcycleadventures no you dont but your bike will be running lean causing severe mechanical damage like burned valves and detonation

[@cocalarusnk]

Hi Pavlin, what do you think, is the new Ténéré 700 suitable for 2 riders + luggage ( cca 200kg) ? Thank you in advance, keep up the good work 🤜🤛

[@motorcycleadventures]

It will work just fine but it won't be my choice. Smakk seat, not enought space for luggage.

[@nadherajm7622]

Yamaha xt660z tenere very good

[@motorcycleadventures]

True

[@nadherajm7622]

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[@mohba01]

Fuel injection is only to comply to emissions not for better "running" as your experience goes. Also all Dakar bikes which had varied elevations in South America, till the year 2015 were all carburated. Also, FI bikes running not losing power is a myth. Anything at altitude WILL LOSE POWER, because the formula calculating compression ratio for an engine is measured at 1 atmosphere which is 101325 pascal.

[@motorcycleadventures]

Yes it loose power but it is still not that bad as the carburetors..

[@boomboombiker1142]

Hi pavlin I like technology but efi system not repair everywhere and every mechanic, can't find the problem spare part not available in the service center 🧰 we are not fixed the problem own self, road trip fall half the road 💔 I am half mechanic and half rider so I am adopting kills how to fix carborator, carborator looking very complicated part but not a complicated very reliable part and cheaper then efi system 🙏🙏

[@motorcycleadventures]

Do whatever is good for you, just be informed about the cons and pros of both systems.

[@nc750xdct9]

Why do you have such fine weather in Varna while we have rain and cold here in Bathe-Wurttemberg? 😉 Enjoy it!

[@motorcycleadventures]

Well, you have the roads, the laws and money, leave us at least the weather!

[@georgekazimierczak9294]

Dunlap mutant tire review ,near future ?

[@motorcycleadventures]

I don't have interest on this tire.

[@rogermorse_]

Very nice video but one thing I do not agree with is "if people need it, the market will make it". It is sadly mostly a rotten way around it (doesn't matter what market): you do not need it, but the manufacturers will make it so that you will be forced to need it (they create the need for it) and you will buy it.

[@motorcycleadventures]

You can name it the way you like it, but 99% of the people, include me won't buy carburetors anymore.

[@ShahryarSaigol]

It is not possible to meet Euro 5 emission standards with carburetors. Basic design of carburetor gives ideal air fuel mixture in engine rpm midranges. But it is rich at low rpms and lean at high rpms. More complicated mechanism is needed to maintain ideal mixture at all rpms, but that will the carburetor too expensive and still to keep air fuel as precise as in fuel injection system. Another item to keep in mind is that in non-turbocharged engines, air is drawn by piston moving down regardless of carburetor or FE. Your carburated bikes were malfunctioning at high altitude because the thin air mixed with same quantity of fuel delivered by carburetor jet making the mixture very rich (like driving with choke on). This rich mixture reduced engine power. Your Benelli with FE sensed the thinner air and reduced fuel flow and leaned the engine to maintain optimum output. Third, you can only adjust idle rpm or idle mixture at high altitude on a carbureted bike with screws. You have to replace jets with smaller jets if you are actually living at the high altitude.

[@khriszty2000]

So the cathalitic convertor is a must have on a bike, because every new bike has one? I'm asking for a friend...

[@motorcycleadventures]

Yes, every new bike comes with a catalytic converter.

[@nytroxnikko1532]

Hello sir, what's your opinion on Suzuki gixxer 250 ?

[@motorcycleadventures]

Never ridden it.

[@euroman12000]

Здравей Павлине! Гледам да си купя мотор за лятото и попаднах на customized 2018 Honda Rebel 500. Ако може, Би ли споделил мнение за този модел. Парите не са малко. Благодаря!

[@motorcycleadventures]

За съжаление не знам нищо за този модел, а и не е от моторите, които ме вълнуват.