Suzuki GSX-8S vs Honda CB750 Hornet | MCN Review

[@timothymills733]

Suzuki doing what they do best, developing a complete package that punches above it's weight; building well balanced bikes, and ignoring the numbers or spec sheet hype. They have been doing this for decades. The result is bikes like the Bandit, SV650 and GSXR, which doesn't win the spec sheet war, but it is still a top choice if you want a superbike to use as a real everyday road bike .

[@CS-pl8fc]

Never heard someone refer to an SV or a bandit as a superbike lol. Also a little strange to say it "punches above it's weight" when it's an 800 competing in what's typically been a 650 class.

[@timothymills733]

@@CS-pl8fc I was not calling the Bandit or the SV a superbike, that was in reference to the GSXR As to "punching above i's weight" that is in reference to the package as a whole making a good bike even with "cheaper" components, not engine size, plus none of the middleweights are 650s anymore anyway, not the Honda, Yamaha, KTM, Triumph etc. plus none of them are 500s for that matter, which was what comprised the first bikes referred to as "middleweights."

[@chicagoui9299]

I still want a Bandit

[@jeffestrada6857]

Well said totally agree 😘

[@MrSlurry]

I've owned 3 bandits and 2 GSXRs, 3 CBRs and an old BROS... Suzuki any day over Honda. Hondas are generally better engineered, but they have none of the personality of a Suzuki. Excepting my CBR400rr, which was so nice that it just couldn't be not nice

[@rondobrondo]

I am extremely impressed by Suzuki's design decisions on this one and their restraint during this current era of horsepower wars to give us a bike with better basics where they count most: chassis, handling, stability, more usable power all over the rev range and every gear, and also THE LOOKS. I do like the look of the honda's gas tank body work, but the 8S just destroys the hornet in the looks department. It's a shame because the Honda is probably gonna massively outsell the suzuki just because it makes a lil more horsepower and weighs a lil bit less.

[@BodybuildingSteve]

and costs a grand less

[@kevincrockett5155]

I have no clue why Honda didn't continue the Neo Cafe styling of the CB650R. The Hornet looks uninspired.

[@spartanx169x]

Man what are you even talking about with looks. The gloss blue on the Suzuki looks terrible. Its very bland. Its not even a good shade of blue. The "8S" on the cowl looks terrible as well. vs the Honda the METALLIC red frame and forks look awesome. But if you like the Suzuki thats all that matters. What looks good is highly subjective. :)

[@WojciechKalka]

@@kevincrockett5155 So does the suzuki :P I want a gsx1400 :P

[@maxdamage4919]

Honda will always sell more, even if it sells motorcycles inferior to Suzuki, is Marketing simple.

[@splodge57]

I think the Suzuki is worth the extra £1000. Bigger engine, more low down torque, larger back wheel, better rear shock, bolt on subframe and a quick shifter. Plus it comes in nicer colours and looks better.

[@joaonunocruz]

All said!!

[@spudflap]

...and aluminium swingarm.

[@sefton1972]

Damn straight. Lovely bike.

[@ws8080]

Agreed, and I didn't expect that given all the hoopla around the launch of the Hornet.

[@kamsa1243]

The Suzuki for sure looks better, but the fact that it comes with a stiffer shock by default doesn't make the shock itself better. The low down torque is also not a particularly useful metric, as you can just as easily say "The Honda's better, you stay far longer in the power band and it just keeps going till the redline". The handling dynamics of the suzuki are probably a bit better, but at its weight, with the power it has and the price it represents, it's horrible value. Why would you want a Suzuki MT07 that's more expensive, has only 4 more hp on the dyno whilst being 20 kilos heavier wet? If I want a simple, well made streetbike, MT07 is still the answer. Ironically MCN keeps using that logic to disregard the amount of actual quality features you get on a Hornet, all whilst promoting a Suzuki GSXS8 which is far more of a pig than the Yamaha its modelled after whilst being more expensive and only having "tech" to make up for it?

[@moorepower13]

My how the tables have turned. Honda:fizzy fast and cheap. Suzuki: quick, refined, better equipped and better handling. Suzuki is worth every penny and pound

[@paulconnell1309]

The Honda has better electronics. Everything is adjustable, even the quick shifter.

[@moorepower13]

@@paulconnell1309 Honda: what quick shifter?

[@paulconnell1309]

@@moorepower13 The optional one which in the UK costs 250 pounds. Where I live NZ$1000 fitted = USD620. The Honda dealer has quoted it before even having the bike to fit it on. What's more the Honda electronics allow you to select the shifting response/timing.

[@moorepower13]

@@paulconnell1309 pick whatever headlight you like more. But your argument is kinda like me saying with an optional turbo kit the Suzuki makes way more H.P. (please read that as me just jesting with ya buddy)

[@Pillokun]

Just look at the frames, Suzuki does not seem to be as low budget as the Honda... Bravo Suzuki.

[@lovelessissimo]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but i prefer the looks of the suzuki. By a lot.

[@marksimpson5218]

Totally agree, I also prefer more mid range power this is where the bike spends most of its time. Well done Suzuki.

[@sefton1972]

The hornet looks like the old CB500f. Plain boring.

[@cullengorman294]

If you like the ktm- style of wasp-looking bikes, the Suzuki is a better example. I personally think the Honda looks like a chunky, plastic toy

[@lovelessissimo]

@@cullengorman294 I'm not the biggest fan of the ktm headlight, which abstractly resembles female reproductive organs, but the Honda looks so generic and vanilla.

[@santorini8423]

@@lovelessissimowhat’s not to like….

[@DoctorMotorcycle]

The way the headlight looks on the 8S sets it apart from just another naked, and the subframe and tail section look really sharp. Great job Suzuki! The Hornet is tough competition.

[@florme6494]

Now having ridden both, and purchased one, I hope this helps someone with simple enough terms: Suspension: Honda better at lower speeds due to softness. Honda is more nimble. 8S considerably better at fast past turns. Firm assured suspension. Not so great for commuting on rough road but you quickly get use to it. Engine: Honda feels more fun when road conditions allow it to be opened up. Way more sound and character. Twitchy around town but hilariously fun otherwise, but not realistically better long term as the imperfection on the throttle will get annoying and regrets may sneak in. How the Transalp using the same engine is better I will never understand. Why not make the mapping the same. 8S is better at almost everything aside from high revving. Traffic light to traffic light it feels like it gives more. Torque out of a turn is better. It can be calm and a beast. The throttle has really been focused on by Suzuki. Fuel consumption: Honda is better. Quick shifter: Equal. Both are very good and no decision should be made purely on this, if adding it to the Honda. Quality of the finishes: Suzuki is next level. Looks: Subjectively the Suzuki seems like the design team have put in a lot more hours coming to a conclusion. The design theme looks like it has cohesion front to back. Subjectively the Honda looks to me like the design was focused around 50% out of the parts bin. Hence the lower price. I actually like the understated design. But the thing I struggle to forgive design wise are the swing arm, non matching forks in the red, smaller rear wheel and although it sounds great a very dated looking exhaust. TFT and its inclusion: Honda is better with its inclusion. Suzuki is more simple and easier to see. General exclusions that I struggled with: Honda didn’t have rear suspension protection. No mile/km to empty. No place to install bobbins. Silver hand levers. No Quick shifter. Small rear tyre. Budget looking swing arm. No mud flap to protect the rear suspension. Suzuki has no USB. Worse weather protection from the rear tyre. No LED indicators. Shorter service intervals. Lacks that Honda sound, closer to the MT07 sound. Higher price. End conclusion was the Suzuki 8S. The only big reason why it took me months to decide was down to the Honda’s fun characterful engine and sound. The Suzuki I feel I will get less frustrated with over time. I liked the 8S TFT better (easier to see and better layout), wider rear tyre, smoother and high torque engine, 3 year warranty and considerably better build quality. I also like the design better. Service interval was still fine to how many miles I ride in a year so made no great difference and I got it for the price of the Honda.

[@davideccles1617]

Yup I bought the Suzuki 😊

[@jcjc2655]

Bonjour et pour les grand personne 185 cm? Merci

[@YogiMoto108]

I recently tested an 8S whilst my 1000S was in for a service, I only did around 60 miles on it but I was very impressed by the 8S as an overall package. I found it to be a very capable real world road bike, the fact that it loses out in the spec sheet comparisons is irrelevant. Having the superior spec sheet is for bragging rights and bullshitters, what really matters is how the bike works on the road and I found the 8S was excellent as an all round package.

[@chrissy.v]

@@Inquisitivemind97nah absolutely not. The suzuki is miles above. Go sit on both, you'll understand

[@sp7ahklub645]

I tested both motorcycles before purchasing. What were my impressions? The GSX-8S performed well on the track, good behavior in the corners, but lacked power on the straight. The Hornet is a completely different motorcycle, with a lower curb weight and more power you can feel the potential. He loves corners, a beginner biker will not use the capabilities of this machine on the track. After some thought, I bought a Honda and I'm super happy. I know that there are better motorcycles in this capacity class, but the price of buying a new motorcycle also matters.

[@milbella1]

Thank you for the comparison. The Suzuki is the clear winner for me but I'm sure both are going to sell really well.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

To me, because I really love my cb500f which is an amazing bike (and realistically the hornet is just a faster cb500f) I have a hard time imagining that the Suzuki is better. But this just means I need to test ride both bikes, even tho I'm in the market for something with more a sports aesthetic.

[@juniormin3454]

​​@@Daniel-dj7fh had a cb500 as my service loan bike once, didn't like anything of it. Sloppy build quality and the gearbox gear stroke is like miles away, and no feeling at the front, and 8500 redline for a road bike engine, seriously? I'd pick a sweet handling suzuki any day

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@juniormin3454 Maybe you rode one which was raped by previous riders. Also it depends which year model you had, from 2016 onwards I think they completely redid the bits and bobs on the bike. Gear shift is abit long, yes. But Steering is really sharp imo.

[@paulconnell1309]

@@Daniel-dj7fh My 2016 CBR500R had a very crisp gear box. Soft suspension. Great roll on at 100kph but yeh don't chase the revs out of a corner. Need to shift up. Stable through corners despite the soft suspension but not quick to change direction. Plenty of counter steer. Ok for a beginner. Would never dream of shaking its head or anything scary.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

@@paulconnell1309 That's why the new ones are abit more interesting imo, better suspension, brakes and the slipper clutch if you really need to downshift mid corner. But I dunno about your area, around here nice backroads are limited to 100kmh, if you don't want to lose your licence you maybe go up to 150 if its clear and safe. Since 2nd gear does 90, you'll barely be in there if you stay in 3rd. Havent done a direct check how far 3rd rolls out to. But you'll maybe effectively only need to be around 3rd-4th gear with alot of room to rev out through a corner.

[@LambChopRides]

Very good! Exactly my thoughts after riding both

[@richardwarsinske7064]

Best overall bike is not always the most fun. What's your "Most Fun" pick?

[@santinoshariffe2720]

id still get the hornet...specially the one thats in this video...the color scheme is great

[@JCrozier1]

love it! I'm a bit of a suzuki fanboy. My last 5 bikes have been the big S. Glad to see this one fall the right way. I love those blue wheels!

[@Libong47]

Traded my 10 years old Monster 796 for Gsx-8s. Worth every single dollars and cents.

[@iain777uk]

Haven’t seen the Honda in flesh yet but have seen the Suzuki at the Kidderminster Motorcycle mart. I was impressed with build quality & overall attention to detail.

[@glennr2358]

I’ve only seen the Honda in the flesh, very disappointing in finish.

[@argonauttales]

I test rode both of these back to back today. I much prefer the 8s to be honest. Handling was much better and it fit me better ergonomically (1,78). Immediately felt at home on the suzuki where as the Honda took a while to get used to .

[@2Petya]

Just test rode both as well. For me, the hornet is the clear winner. I am ordering one on Monday :) I can tell that the suspension quality is better on the gsx8s, hornet is a bit soft at the front, and less small bump absorbance. But still, both miles better than my current tracer 7. For some reason, I did not feel the low end grunt on the Suzuki. Surprisingly not. I wonder if the test bike had some problems. Seating position wise, I d say it would be totally the same, if the hornet would have 2cm higher seat. Which I plan to do on it since the knee angle is more bent on the hornet. But what seals the deal for me is the nimble handling. I am a sucker for flickable bikes :) Oh, and the zero engine braking on the honda. Luv that as well.

[@argonauttales]

@@2Petya Glad there are people that enjoy the other bike as well. My legs are rather muscular from training and the knee angle caused numbness in my leg after a mere 30 minutes. So I definitely understand the seat swap. Although I find it strange you felt a lack of low end grunt. For the type of riding I would be doing the lower powerband would be preferential. I notice the same thing on my Fazer 600 where it's difficult to keep in the rev range on very narrow and tight turns. To each their one I guess, good fun to be had either way :)

[@jordanjoestar8839]

I was telling everyone this same consensus the second they announced them. Suzuki developes a whole package carefully.. You can pry my GSXR750 keys from my cold dead hands. Best streetbike ive ever ridden. The 8S is going to dominate the exact market it was made for. Also, tune and uncork thay Suzuki and i gurantee we will see 100hp at the crank. They are incredibly restricted from the factory, even though they make great down low power.

[@MrBinkz]

25% power increase from a tune? haha you're dreaming mate.

[@alphacapo]

Yea it'll pick up five or six horse peak maybe 8-10 on a good day. and a few ft lbs as well Probably smooth out the delivery even more. And that fucking exhaust looks like the tin man's chest. I bet you can drop a dozen lbs with a full kit. I bet stock to stock the suzuki is faster than the hornet anyways in the quarter mile.

[@Strungrat]

Great to hear a real world comparison. Would of been nice to actually see the dyno sheets overlaid though. Was hoping the Suzuki would come close to the 82 they claimed since it was listed as brake hp. Either way I have a Suzuki ordered.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

As usual, ECU flash, full exhaust, and see a good heap of power restored. All Euro5 engines are being VERY limited at the top end (noise and emissions regs).

[@ragerider6283]

Nice review. Goes to show you can't ride a spec sheet. Both are decent bikes but I definitely prefer the Suzuki as the biggest problem the Honda has are it's desperately bland looks. Imagine if Honda made it look like the CB650R, put fully adjustsble suspension on it & charged the same as the Suzuki, it's hands down the class leader. Missed opportunity by Honda but there's always next year I guess.

[@adamnagel7436]

Yeah imagine if Honda just made the bike more expensive ans priced themselves out of a market at a time when most people want an affordable bike. They are giving people a lot of bike for their money. I would prefer manufacturers overall do more of that.

[@ragerider6283]

@@adamnagel7436 You've missed the point I'm making entirely. How would they price themselves out if it was the same price as the opposition but looked better & was better equipped? While looks are subjective the weak point of the Honda are it's looks & suspension & it's not winning any comparisons either in case you hadn't noticed. It's still a great value bike but it's main USP is it's very low price (which will be increasing this year incidentally) so it's cheap but it's not the best bike in class. I'm just saying if it they focus on these weaknesses it could easily be the top dog as it has a lot of margin in price to the opposition which Honda can use to improve it but still not price it out of the market. Honda will still sell loads of them regardless of what I think but it be better for not much more money. However price is your main focus, just a buy one.

[@daddystu7046]

A CB650R front end would clinch it for me. In fact, might just get me a CB650R.

[@ragerider6283]

@@daddystu7046 Agreed. When I was pondering the Hornet it was the exact same thought process & conclusion I came to.

[@cheetor18]

I have to say. If this is their first new engine since 1999, suzuki nailed the efficiency game arounde their motorcycles, impressive R&D cost cutting. Not big on innovation, but big on sales worldwide.

[@llerradish]

I really wanted the Honda to be the better bike, but after hearing what you had to say about the Suzuki I would probably like the Suzuki better. I own a 2017 Duke 390. I do like it and enjoy riding it, but I find myself wanting more power and speed a lot of the time. I was surprised to find out the Honda was less expensive. To be honest I'm sure I would have a blast on either one.

[@m4ci3j88]

The good comparison is when we have some points to measure e.g. we are measuring braking distance like in mt07 vs cb750 video. I like when someone is saying that specs doesn't matter. Well it's normal if you go to the Harley or Moto Guzzi (and I think that especially MG are great bikes with character) dealership but on the lower midsize segment you want the best price/value ratio. It allowed MT07 to be the king (at least in sales figures) of the segment for many years. I think it would be nice to at least mention that honda has adjustable quickshifter, better accessory package, and phone connectivity. User mode was like, oh yeah it has it but not big deal which is weird because many reviewers was using this feature. Surprisingly when it comes to rear tire size suddenly everyone become "spec sheet nerd" and say oh it is so better that GSX-S8 has 180 but forgot the fact that narrower tire makes bike more nimble in corners. Both bikes are great rivals and we will see with sales figures which one is the king but in the future I would like to see more concrete review.

[@richardwarsinske7064]

Good points! I really wish they had used the same scoring format from the MT07 vs. Honda Hornet video. Doubtful the Suzuki would have won compared in that manner and it would have pointed out some of the GSX 8S less flattering characteristics that I think are important (0-100mph times, worse power to weight ratio than Hornet/MT07/Trident, real world fuel economy that's likely much worse than the Hornet since reports I've seen for the Suzuki have only been in the 38-39mpg range.). The Honda beat the Yamaha by making the Hornet a better MT07, the Suzuki beat the Hornet by making the GSX 8S a better all around but less fun (IMO) motorcycle. I agree that spec's aren't everything and not that I don't like the GSX 8S but the Hornet does a better job at the most fun for the least amount of money format that I think most buyers in this category are looking for.

[@richardwarsinske7064]

As a 5'8" rider who's intended usage probably falls in the 20% range you prefer the Hornet I think it's still my favorite. I like the Suzuki's looks better but the Hornets engine characteristics balance (not quite as strong up to 7000rpm but much stronger from there to redline) just sounds more exciting to me. I wish the Suzuki's Dyno charts, 0 to 100mph times, and comparative "fun factor" to the Hornet were also included like in the "MT07 vs. Honda Hornet" video. Actually looking at the published dyno results for the Hornet and factoring in its weight advantage it doesn't look like the Suzuki should have any power advantage over 6000rpm and claims of its mid range power advantages appear to be a bit exaggerated! Also what about fuel economy and tank range? *The only on track comparison I've seen so far the Hornet was a full 2 sec. quicker with a max. trap speed 13kph higher (199 vs. 186 for the Suzuki) on the longest straight. Both were quicker than the Trident and MT07 and took longer than the Duke 790 and base Aprilia 660. The Hornet took .69 sec. longer than the quickest Aprilia but matched it for max. trap speed.

[@paulconnell1309]

Have a ride on a GSX S750. Find some clear road paddle along in second gear then just open the throttle and wait for smile to appear on your face.

[@williamrae9954]

Same will transfer over between the Transalp and the the V-Strom 800, that was obvious when both were released... Suzuki on point again!

[@paulfowler6665]

I bought a hornet and have already done 500miles on mine. Its nothing short of brilliant. It has amazing low down power. I can not fault it and would recommend to anyone to have a ride on one before running it down. I think the dash is better than the Suzuki dash too. You can set it in 4 different displays. I've owned R1's, GSXR's and Blade and the hornet is more fun on the road than any of them. Total bargain at £7000 compared to the £8000 Suzuki. Oh and I'm 51 and have been riding on the road since I was 16. I also own a Ninja 1000sx which is also brilliant.

[@DavidSmith-hn5gg]

Exactly this!

[@jfro5867]

You’re wasting your time on here amongst all the Suzuki fanboys. As reviews go this was a stinker. If you ride these hard of course you are going to find their weaknesses, it’s click bait nonsense. The Honda will be a great bike and sell loads, I think it looks great.

[@paulconnell1309]

500 pounds for the quick shifter to get apples with apples. But yeh can not wait to ride both and decide! Enjoy the Hornet, I am sure it is great! BTW have you looked at a small screen? Does crap splash everywhere in the wet because there is no hugger (back guard)? One reviewer had rubbish all over the exhaust and his back after a bad day.

[@OsirisPL]

So the Hornet sat on the throne for exactly one month :)

[@douglasalexander4348]

The Suzuki doesn’t sit on any throne. The street triple has that crown haha.

[@OsirisPL]

@@douglasalexander4348 Om man that is obviously a superior machine but I think it is in another league, specs and price wise. Closer to MT09 and Duke 890. IMO Trident is a better match to Suzi and Honda.

[@rzeznikkeynes5686]

For me as a workhorse and even for a long rides, honda will win in terms of fuel economy. And this aspect honda may win❤

[@douglasalexander4348]

@@OsirisPL Nope. The r street triple is a grand more than Suzuki. Suzuki is a grand more than Honda. So if it’s unfair to compare Street triple against Suzuki, it’s unfair to pitch Suzuki against Honda. Should be Mt 07 against the Honda, they’re just trying to make the Suzuki seem better.

[@gordon2586]

The problem is the slippery slope in comparing between different classes. A 700 class MT is beaten by a 750 class Hornet, which is then beaten by a 800 class Suzuki-an obvious outcome based on price, cc, and features. I am sure the Suzuki will be beaten by something more expensive.

[@Jimmy_Watt]

The Suzuki looks great. Very refreshing style. I'm shocked how much the usual dynamic of Suzukis looking cheaper and Honda having a top notch fit and finish has been flipped here. This Hornet looks very "ten years ago," as if it were made from body parts scavenged from the Tree of Shame at Deal's Gap.

[@ljoelmchanley3676]

lol

[@retrothruster2539]

I was gonna say the same thing, I can get better deals on Honda so it's gonna be hard to pass up but damn, the Zuki do look good! I haven't been to Deals in ages, I'm only about 2hrs away, need to get my butt up there for a ride!

[@Jimmy_Watt]

@@retrothruster2539 It's a great place, but packed on a weekend. If you're within two hours, you've got great roads everywhere! Stunning contribution there, Ljoel.

[@jefflambert8603]

Honda must be Doing Something Right. Waiting list till End of August 2023 for a New Hornet

[@marsynmarsyn3146]

Honda looks like Lexmoto :D or any cheap bike "made in china". I think at the moment Honda makes the worst bikes from 4 Japanese brands....

[@paulcummings8611]

Great review guys. Have to agree Suzuki all day long .

[@IonutAlexandrinRistea034]

Love the Suzuki, I like what they’ve done with it. A serious, straightforward bike, which is going to sell well. The only thing I don’t understand is, why Suzuki decided (in 2023) that the 8S doesn’t need LED blinkers as standard…? Doesn’t matter though, I’m still going to buy it, my first “biggish” bike! ✌🏼

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

Amazon got you my friend!

[@aviduke]

it's definitely a big bike. ride safe

[@exothermal.sprocket]

TST Industries is fixing that rear dingleberry with a flush mount LED. Also in the aftermarket people have their choice of endless turn signals.

[@petrol11]

​@@exothermal.sprocket unless I'm missing something, that tail tidy is basically illegal on public roads... At least where I am anyway

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@petrol11 If you mean to imply the motorcycle no longer meets DOT requirements by having a piece of fixed material flush with the back of the rear wheel, then find some police officers willing to hassle 10's of thousands of riders all over the country with that violation. Other things like turn signal requirements, I'm aware of what is required for those and I will never install integrated signal modules as they do not distinguish direction from a distance. If you simply move your plate and signals up under the tail, keeping the plate light, signal stalks, and tail light functional and visible, signals separated about as much as factory, you'll be entirely fine.

[@shabs2134]

The showdown we've all been waiting for 🙏

[@alphacapo]

But they kinda beat around the bush didn't they.

[@newtype101]

Michael Neeves's new helmet looks great! Different brand, but the same old graphics. I wonder what is the philosophy behind it??

[@ThemadViking793]

Yes, the X-SPR Pro really does look awesome. 😊👍

[@davidgray8863]

We live in a strange world where someone like me having ridden a majority of the last 50 years on Suzukis and being a typical suzuki squid would recommend the hornet over the gsx 8s. Well my father said riders fall into 2 categories, motorcyclists and bikers.... most motorcyclists buy bikes for functional, sensible reasons, their bikes never see rain, they are cleaned more than ridden and ridden as a means to get from A to B. Bikers heart rates rise when they hear a 6 cylinder bike or a race exhaust at full voice. When driving if a bike overtakes their car their right hand starts to twist the steering wheel as if it was a throttle, while shouting "go on, you cold fit a bus through that gap, I'd have overtaken all 5 cars" 😄. They buy bikes that (may give them problems, but) will make riding more fun than should be allowed (and in this country it usually is 😁) . Bikers will probably choose the hornet.

[@rogerkay8603]

Great comment, and I have no dog in this fight.

[@stephenedwards3397]

bizarre summary to imply that is you are a mature rider then your less likely to be riding with spirit. If anything it’s those of us who have been riding for a while who have found out how to have fun in all styles of riding, including hooligan mode when appropriate and we have survived long enough to know how to do it. That said I am drawn to the Suzuki anyway as I am sure it will still pull wheelies just fine and real world grunt is where it is at for me.

[@juniormin3454]

Good review and so happy to see Suzuki is back on the top. I've read and watched lots of reviews, and seems most of them complained about the lack of feeling at the front for the cb750, Honda suffers the same thing on the cb1000r, funny that their motogp bike has the same problem. Whereas Suzuki has always being good at develop a sweet handling bike, I have the 22 GSX-S1000 and the front feels phenomenon, you literally frel like riding with your hands holding the front wheel hub. Very happy for Suzuki🎉

[@alwynmcmath]

Great to see Suzuki on top! They’ve been lacklustre for far too long. That’s 8S looks superb too.

[@Showmetheevidence-]

Makes me wonder if the new Kawa 400 is a better choice

[@trevor2830]

This is what we've been waiting for 🎯🍻🔥

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

Been looking forward to this. Oh, starts with 30 seconds of vague music. Why? Why not have the sound of the bikes instead? If I wanted to listen to very dull music I could. But I came here for the bikes and Neeves and the others, all of whom, seem very good on camera. So please can we hear the bikes instead of music? Try the microphones in different places. Maybe 1 in front, 1 in the rear, and play it left to right. Or we can slide fader/balance Left to Right to hear 1 bike versus the other? Anyway, great presenters, high production value, really good work by all. But please, think about the experience of being forced to listen to 30 seconds of dull music at the start of an exciting motorcycling video.

[@daddio1954]

Agree! Good points. Great review gentlemen, and if I might make one other suggestion, I would ask that you get off the motorcycles at the beginning and stand in between them so people can have an on obstructed view of the bikes. Thank you!

[@ozzyg82]

The comparison we’ve been waiting for. I already know how it’ll play out, but lets hear it anyway…

[@marcusgeorge1825]

Thank you gents. A video review backed by honest impressions. Couldn’t ask for much more. 👍😎

[@ljoelmchanley3676]

This is the 2nd vid I've seen by extremely experienced talented professional riders that decisively gave the nod to the 8S for suspension/handling and best sorted machine in the class and the overall winner.

[@paulconnell1309]

Who did the other review?

[@tomnorris1734]

I love this catagory of bike. I think it's just right for UK roads. But I don't see how either of these are better than an Sv650.

[@farmoboy83]

better suspension mainly and modern tech. More torq and hp even though for real world use the difference wil be none for a sv650. I Think that if suzuki lauched a sv650 with better suspension and some riding modes for 500eur more would destroy this segment for other brands.

[@rishirajsaikia1323]

​@@farmoboy83Suzuki should have launched an SV750.

[@hexagonosaurus5848]

They sound better, go better, look better and use less fuel. Stick to your SV650 steam machine.

[@richardwarsinske7064]

Love to see a GSX 8S vs. KYM Duke 790 shootout but please use the testing format of the MT07 vs. Hornet video + included dyno charts for both bikes.

[@janeg4706]

Having ridden these two back to back, I would totally agree with your assessment. For me, the 8S was the better bike, which was a surprise! Thumbs up to Suzuki for the inclusion of a quickshifter as standard, but disappointing that LED indicators and USB socket (£46 - wtf?) are expensive extras on the 8S. (PS Jane's the wife!)

[@davewestsk8]

I agree rode both bikes and the suzuki feels more solid and premium in every way.

[@paulconnell1309]

YAY!. At last, the review I have been waiting for! Very good review. Over here, dealers are unboxing the Honda as I write and the Suzuki is three weeks away. Can't wait to ride them both and buy one, presumably the Suzi. I will ride the 8S back to back with the GSX S750.

[@monco3512]

Are the dyno results (discussed from 3:15 onward) available anywhere online or on paper? I couldn't find them in the 'bargain battle' in the latest issue.

[@peterwilson8039]

I currently own a 650 Bandit, so I'm inclined to like the Suzuki. It does seem like they're both strong contenders, but the Honda is £1000 cheaper. The good side may be, is that the GSX-8S seems to have a bit of Bandit in it, so, perhaps illogically, it makes me tend to see more value in the bike that I currently own.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Can't speak for the Suzuki but I can speak for my cb500f, one hell of a bike. I'm really hard pressed if I really want something bigger.

[@paulconnell1309]

STg500 cheaper with the quick shifter....

[@skyworks1621]

Good job Suzuki. People have a lot to say against Suzuki, but for me they are my favourite Japan brand. Also the looks in this case are a win for Suzuki.

[@TheSteveSteele]

I’ll take torque over horsepower all day long. The Honda is better looking, but the Suzuki engine is the one I’d want. Both sound great! But, I like the Suzuki 8R, especially with the front suspension change. I’ll take the GSX-8R in black or blue please.

[@Ceen328]

Let's be real, both bikes come with a suspension setup, that tries to work in all conditions, for differen driver weights. Honda targets a bit lighter rider, but in the end, both suspensions are not sporty and just ok_ish. Suspension upgrade would be my first step on both bikes, which will cost around 1-1.5k € for a fully adjustable rear shock, new fork springs and fully adjustable cartridges and spring loads, made for your weight. So for me, that would be a toss up, with no winner. Same goes for the tyres btw. In the end it would be about the engine and the looks. The engine goes quite easily to Honda, unless you want something more 'boring', for day to day commute. When it comes to looks, I just really dislike the front of the Suzuki, but that is 100% a matter of taste. That being said, I'm not a fan of the Honda front either. Atleast the TFT is somewhat better integrated. For a better comparison, it would help to compare both bikes in the same base color. White / red Hornet vs white / blue GS8s. The black / blue GS8s also looks a bit boring, compared to the whie / blue one. Lastly the elephant in the room, the 160 rear tyre and I have to say, thank you Honda! There is simply no need for a 180, if you ride twisty roads in a somewhat legal manner. If you think you need a 180 for the grip, you are just wrong. If you are going to the track, with long high speed turns, that is another topic. On the road tho, the 160 is just better in terms of handling, with more than enough grip.

[@meridionreftaghn3971]

If you want a nimble but seriously quick bike its the honda. Sure, all the smaller midsizers are kinda nimble, but the hornet can almost be handled like a bicycle, extremely low seat height, 190 kg, if youre like me and ride a lot in towns, cities, to work, looking for ez parking spots, the honda takes the cake for going 200 kph on the freeway and riding a footway to a bicycle station for parking.

[@aviduke]

for all intensive purposes, marketing aside, they are basically the same bike. choose the one you think is the best looking and go take it out for rides in the sunshine on twisty roads

[@MatthewSmith-zx6uk]

On top of all of that, i can say the Suzuki has been getting me 60mpg around town. Not sure if the hp is different UK to US, but i keep seeing reviews and specs for the 8s at 83hp. Dont know how right that is, but i can say that it gets up very quickly. Its a wonderful bike. Took ten years off of riding and pulled away on the 8S like i never took a break from it. Very easy to handle, very smooth to ride, very stable on these bumpy NC highways, and it catches a lot of attention. Its as easy to ride as the '84 185 Exciter that i learned on, and its even the same weight (445lbs). Hell, i have a blast even with the TC on 2 (mid setting). Also, while the blinkers arent LED, the headlights are and the visibility with the brights is better than my Volkswagen. :D Great commuter, ergonomics that allow a pretty comfy full tuck at higher speeds, awesome acceleration, and fantastic leaning stability. I dont have much experience with different bikes, but i highly recommend the 8S for everything from a entry level to an advanced rider if youre looking for equal measures of fun and practicality. Great and honest review, fellas. Thank you for that!

[@morphie12]

First, I must add that I always enjoy MCN's commentary. Second, I have ridden neither of these bikes. However... Based upon the Specs and price differential, the Honda will probably outsell the Suzuki by 2 or 3 to one. At this price point, there is no substitute for horsepower and perceived sportiness. Finally, the Honda name carries a lure all its own.

[@-DC-]

Suzuki have absolutely nailed it, Design Chassis Performance Price, Perfect Package.

[@Surge_Arrester]

100%

[@snakepitsam]

so if i throw in new shocks and forks kits, +QS, will the honda be better if they both come to the same price point?

[@peterrichards7387]

I enjoyed the video but felt that you could have dived into the riding position a little more, peg hight, width at the bars etc. I'm sort of disapointed with both bikes and as the price of the 07 drops which its bound to now, especially good used models, I still think it warrents consideration and there is also the Triumph Trident in the pack.

[@gabrielmeszaros1612]

I sat on both. Suzuki is much more comfortable than the Hornet. I am 183cm tall and I was cramped on the Hornet.

[@LasseJOugaard]

Interestingly in some markets, the price is less of a factor. Here in Denmark the price of the two bikes is exactly the same, and I believe the difference is slightly smaller in Germany and Austria, compared to the UK. I'm looking forward to trying both bikes, on the face of it I gravitate towards the Suzuki.

[@wishfulthinking2549]

Here in Germany the difference is about 300 Euro. I did not try Suzuki but baught the new Hornet. Looking forward to get it😊

[@dielaughing73]

Pretty much the same price here in Australia but the Suzuki has fully-adjustable forks and preload/rebound on the rear.

[@arrow0872]

I don’t get why they say that the Hornet lacks grunt. I’ve several other bikes which include a superbike and a big capacity adventure bike. I’d say the Hornet has great bottom and mid range power not to mention a very lively top-end…

[@alphacapo]

Well the suzuki pulls Like a tractor. You heard them....just let the clutch out no throttle and it goes. Also it doesn't matter what gear your in when riding around. I do not like how they didn't show the dyno charts. What was the point of the test? Also the Honda is geared shorter. If you change the sprockets on the suzuki I bet it will give it that playful nature that the Honda has Honda lit states 2.81 gear ratio 16-45 sprockets. 127 top speed. Only thing I can find on suzuki is 145mph. How come nobody is talking about the gearing.

[@richardwarsinske7064]

@@alphacapo Most observed Hornet top speeds I've seen have been around 140mph which seems a little slow for a naked 89hp bike. On the other hand I'm skeptical the Suzuki's 76hp would be enough to get to 145 even under ideal conditions. I'm also disappointed they didn't show the dyno results for the Suzuki but hopefully they'll publish them in the near future!

[@arrow0872]

@@alphacapo perhaps I should explain more: the other bikes I have are the Ducati Panigale V4S and KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. Both pull like tractors at low to mid range. Riding the Hornet after riding these two, I’d still say it has great low to mid-range; it always pulls at a higher gear than I think it needs. Suzuki might be even more powerful at those rpms, but that does not make the Hornet gutless. I think both bikes are great by the way, and I’m happy Suzuki built a great succsessor to the SV650 which I also love…

[@m4ci3j88]

​​@@alphacapo I will tell you. Everyone was speaking how better is S8 in terms of torque and real world conditions. MCN measured it and torque is better on Hornet. Around 7000 rpm suzuki has significantly better torque. Answer yourself if these are real world conditions 😂

[@alphacapo]

@@m4ci3j88 they said significant more torque for the suzuki up to 7k rpms. I still want to see the dyno

[@MarkHSPR]

Being on the shorter side (5’6”), I’m still leaning towards the Honda. I sat on one recently and it didn’t feel like a big bike (and I wasn’t on tip toes!). Will have to see how the 8S feels in comparison.

[@e8f2]

As a shorter rider 5’5” seat height plays a big factor and is one reason why I’m leaning toward the Honda, even though the Suzuki looks cooler

[@paulconnell1309]

I'm 5'8" but short legs long body so struggle on many bikes. Probably same in seam as @DoodleOnAMotorcycle. The factory Tuono 660 has an 826mm seat but it is wide at the front so I am tippy toes. Not nice for the city. I can rider the GSX S750 with an 820mm seat easily. Similar saddle on the 8S so at 810mm it should be fine. A key is the width at the standover point. Suzuki seem to get that sorted. BTW the heavier GSX S750 is very agile so will be interested to try the 8S back to back. The old four pot is not dead yet!

[@florme6494]

The white GSX-8S looks best with those silver forks. It almost hides them. I don’t know why they couldn’t have been blacked out or gold. Looks horrendous to me.

[@trailblazeratv6306]

I think I would like the longer, more planted Suzuki but either would be great

[@motorcyclin]

Great review. When you describe the bikes as “Friendly” = Slow and Boring? Explains why I always got friend zoned. 😂

[@vandaminator1]

For a taller rider, The GSX 8S is more confortable? Or they fell the same?

[@randomdewd4837]

at beginning I wanted a hornet and never considered the Suzuki (because "on the paper... the numbers..." ) but now I know that I will enjoy the Suz more than the hornet.

[@jeffestrada6857]

Its clear to me that the Suzuki in the real world would be a handling dream somehow even though heavier translates into a more inspiring and confidence building machine which is exactly what newish riders need. As was said the Honda is just another motorcycle. As usual the Suzuki gives the rider what they want with the assurance of fantastic reliability ease of maintenance ( which wasnt even discussed here) and Suzuki aesthetics which to me arent boring like the super conservative Honda. The 8S wins in every aspect to this Suzuki tragic 👍

[@delmarrey9077]

I hate it when they say it’s for newer riders. That’s BS. Some people prefer lighter bikes. After 40 years of riding, starting out with a Harley sportster, people get tired of the old behemoth’s. And, just want to ride in pleasure and maneuverability.

[@future62]

This is a tough one; the Honda's specs really speak to me but the Suzuki has more appeal. I really want to see these engines in sportbikes a la the R7.

[@taylorruckner5976]

Here in the US the Suzuki wins by default as Honda still haven't announced the Hornet for the US market.

[@SherKhan-b1kes]

Could just imagine myself taking more advantage of the Suzuki‘s „Katana-esque“ styling by adding a colour matched Belly-pan and lower bars. Thanks guys for an informative review 😉

[@SherKhan-b1kes]

……and last but not least a Tail-tidy.

[@GMak81]

Yeah a belly pan would finish the look nicely.

[@raymondo7796]

Looking forward to hearing these with aftermarket exhausts.

[@ljoelmchanley3676]

Nice video thanks! I love them both and love Hondas and Suzukis but if I didn't just buy a '22 MT09sp last summer I would be buying the 8S. Tell me if I'm wrong but the last new engine I can think of that Suzuki released was the 1250 in the 2007 Bandit.

[@prof.2248]

Guys don't waste time, in 2023 Hornet and Transalp is the best deal on the market. (Price/Value)

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

Peak bho/torque, maybe we could see thrust figures instead? Acceleration rate?

[@mariobondanza5149]

I have had my demo ride a couple of weeks ago. The suzuki is simply impressive. But how would you compare it against a street triple 660 S? Pros and cons?

[@shiftyshamsk]

Since the original bandit they have gone backwards in comfort, being fixable, and tunable for the everyday mechanic. The only way than can justify these prices these days is to overload them with technology you don't need. I mean, just look at the stupid seat. On a bandit you could take a mate or girlfriend to the pub or into town too.

[@MidwestPapa_715]

I love Honda, but they're always trailing behind or late to the party. The Suzuki looks great.

[@elmoomle4565]

Nice overview and great to see ex Practical Sportbikes Magazine Chris Newbigging on this channel !! Cheers from the Tropics.

[@Steve-motorcycles]

I’d have to disagree. The hornet is simply more fun. Isn’t that a huge thumbs up for a middle weight naked. I’ve rode both and liked them both but the Hornet made me grin more. Close run thing though.

[@chrishart8548]

£1000 less 10kg less and 12hp more makes sense to me. The suzuki is like a 1000cc bike with an 800cc engine. The honda is like a 500cc bike with a 750cc engine. They go on about how the suzuki has more torque but it is a larger capacity engine. If torque is your thing maybe even consider a 1000cc twin.

[@Steve-motorcycles]

Couldn’t agree more. To be honest, the Suzuki feels to ride like my Z900 but without anywhere near the power. It is a not a bad bike, but it’s quite average. Decent to ride, stable, decent brakes but lacks a little fizz in the fun factor. The Hornet is definitely more exciting

[@fyorbane]

@@chrishart8548 Only more power and torque above 7000 rpm don't forget. Add the quick shifter in and the difference is down to around 700 quid. the Suzi has the better chassis, clocks and suspension. Better looks too [though that is subjective]. It's real close though so I would say test them both and decide for yourself.

[@hisride]

@@chrishart8548 Well hold your horses, there are quite well backed up rumours that Honda are going to launch a 1000cc bike under the Hornet family (Queen Bee look up) that may or may carry a large update to their existing 1000cc engine

[@chrishart8548]

@@hisride let's hope honda keep it slimmed right back. I was hoping the nc1100 was going to be a Africa twin better suited to the road but what a mess honda made of that. All that weight and lack of power. Africa twin with 17" cast sports bike wheels would be nice. Like a reliable ktm smt.

[@iannsr125]

Well like Mr honda said if it's not broken don't fix it , and I'm guessing suzuki took there saying lol 22 years of good working engines . The sv 650 is testament with its v twin

[@louiskirby4266]

onya Lads great wrap up , good to see the big S back in the game , Yamaha now will bring out a show stopper soon I hope

[@gerardmontgomery280]

That Suzuki looks great in white. Not great next to the Honda or Yamaha but great next to an 890R or a Monster.

[@foodtuub]

Honda topend might be designed for their R7 competitor . Headlight / clusters both could look bettter.

[@jfess1911]

I am glad that Suzuki has produced such a good bike. I sometimes worry about them staying in the motorcycle business and this is a good sign. Currently the Suzuki is offered in the US but the Honda is not. I have short legs (28"/711mm), so it is possible that the Honda might fit me better, though...... whenever it shows up here.

[@paulconnell1309]

I'm 5'8" but short legs long body so struggle on many bikes. I can ride the GSX S750 with an 820mm seat easily. Similar saddle on the 8S so at 810mm it should be fine. A key is the width at the standover point. Suzuki seem to get that sorted.

[@jfess1911]

@@paulconnell1309 I'm a bit embarrassed to admit that it took me a very long time to realize that hearing the word "cramped" in a review ( by a tall tester) usually meant "fits short people better."

[@richardwarsinske7064]

Sounds like your just as disappointed as I am we can't get the Hornet in the US/Canada. From what I've been hearing we should get the Hornet in 2024. The Hornet is my current first choice but I'm sure I'd also be quite happy if I ended up either the GSX 8S or KTM Duke 790.

[@SilkLotus]

If I were to track them, the honda for sure but for 80% of riders and road riding... zook just does great with balanced bikes and feeling of confidence.... great review as always!

[@cozi_mieras634]

now the question is, how does rereleased KTM duke 790 fits in to all this ? Price is not that different than Honda or Suzuki (while cheking local dealers not MSRP)

[@meridionreftaghn3971]

The KTM goes back to the shop after 500 miles because something doesn't work, as is customary 😁

[@keviyahana]

Is it possible for me to ride that 8s im 5'4 in height really love that look and that quick shift makes it perfect

[@Trevster65]

Test rides on both this week, honda was a bit more powerful at top, suzuki was more predictable both left me grinning and wanting more time on them. I’m older rider and suzuki in white is my choice.

[@jojo771912]

I was looking for a new bike in this category. Suzuki rides nice but the list of cons is big : price and even more if you are not happy with the blinkers and rear fender, maintenance schedule is crazy if you put lots of miles yearly, some users reports that you don't see at night on twisty roads

[@motorcyclenewsdotcom]

Do you think the NEW Suzuki GSX-8S is the best middleweight naked?

[@rondobrondo]

I am extremely impressed by Suzuki's design decisions on this one and their restraint during this current era of horsepower wars to give us a bike with better basics where they count most: suspension, chassis, handling, stability, more usable power all over the rev range and every gear, and also THE LOOKS. I do like the look of the honda's gas tank body work, but the 8S just destroys the hornet in the looks department. It's a shame because the Honda is probably gonna massively outsell the suzuki

[@andyhoward940]

Derr ! Triumph Street triple

[@BillCook62]

The 790 Duke is lighter and more powerful than both. Maybe do a comparison test with all three.

[@jefflambert8603]

@@andyhoward940 missing the point £6999 for the Honda the Triumph is not a Budget Bike its in a Higher Division

[@tracktime1196]

Short answer is.... No! for an extra grand/2 I'd look at ktm 890, aprilia 660 or triumph 765

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Waiting for the gsx8-R

[@martinbrown4214]

I bought a new mt07 last year , its a great bike although these two look good , i like the front end on the suzuki, it's a bit like my mt07 . Would have like to try these though before settling for the mt07.

[@johndoe-vm4ps]

How is the quick shifter on the 8S ? some reviewers complain about it ; can it be fixed ?

[@IoTru]

Great comparison! I like the 8s a lot more then the Hornet. One problem that is have is that i have in mind the Bmw’s f900r. It is not that far away picewise than the 8s. What do you think?

[@m4ci3j88]

I just say I ordered hornet but f900r could be a better choice from this 3 bikes. More power and torque. More universal thanks to accessories and seating options.

[@ReconGuy-D]

Also the suzuki is low on hp due to being severely restricted electronically. A higher flow air filter, full exhaust system and a good tune could easily pull an extra 15 hp as well as reduce weight by at least 7 kilos.

[@m4ci3j88]

There is grand more on the start and what you are writing will cost even more.

[@mindspinn311]

Now the question is 8S, MT-09, or Street Triple 765 R. They’re all very similarly priced. Throw in the GSX-S1000 for fun.

[@gkbike7002]

I own an MT-10 so these bike are not for me but that suzuki could be the new SV 650, which was/is a legend. I love suzuki, I've had loads. I really hope they sell in spades.

[@paulordeman5169]

Not a fan of the look of the front/headlight of the Suzuki. But, I see there is a faired version coming soon, the GSX-8R which looks a lot better. Might be worth waiting until April 2024 for me.