Ford's NEW CAR Just KILLED Dodge and Chevy!

[@mp4-27d3]

Ford isn’t killing crap selling a $52K car. It’s still too much money. That’s an $866 a month car payment at 60 months before tax and any interest. I’m not meaning to come across negative, but the only way I could afford that car is if I didn’t have rent to pay and I don’t think I’m the only one.

[@hotlightning9496]

True that

[@jasonbrosseau1056]

It's not only the price but the crazy high insurance costs for V8's. Total cost of ownership makes these kinds of cars unaffordable to most people.

[@bondgabebond4907]

Where are those $10,000 cars???? Where are those $15,000 cars. Car manufacturers put too much junk cars we don't need for daily use. Love to see a car called a Spartan for not having all those stuffs we don't need to drive to work or the store and back.

[@John_Caravella]

@@bondgabebond4907 Spartan is a great name! 100% agree with you. I'd just add that a back seat should be optional. One of those has to cost at least $1,000.

[@michaelfrock2473]

Forget 52 I have seen so many 60's and even 70s. At that price there are so many better options.

[@cessealbeach]

"We Will Continue to Make the V8's Mustang until they make it illegal" Love It

[@hochhaul]

Too bad they're slowly ruining the V8 in the Mustang.

[@walterwhite1]

He is lying

[@foxyscontent713]

​@@hochhaulLmaooo whatever you say

[@frederickwillis4924]

Which will never be illegal

[@Reczony]

@@hochhaul weird the coyote generation is the fastest generation of v8s that came in mustang

[@pk13910]

The problem with the 392 challenger is that 392 denotes the average credit score of people who buys those cars. Buying used one's are usually trashed.

[@MotorFeed]

hahaha. Wicked burn.

[@OzarkMountainKing]

That's the best observation ever. It's funny, because it's true. When they are in the finance office picking their payment date, they should also pick their repo date.

[@MeetTheSLAYER]

@@MotorFeed it's not a burn, it's the truth. Look at the repo percentage on them (scatpack and above).

[@Sir_Galahad777]

The repo rate right now is rhe same for all muscle cars, just people out buying cars that couldn't afford them, the hellcats and demons were are more of a status symbol and too many people bought into that status rather then the absolute love of the car, they were willing to spend anything to get that status without thinking of the consequences of that purchase.

[@Freon1969]

Not to mention the low build quality, recalls and persistent drive train issues for Chrysler. Ford has been better recently but they still made the Explorer, Escape, and the EV trash. Ford needs to go door to door and apologize to anyone who bought one. Lightening? don't get me started. GM is still better than all of them, hands down.

[@John_Caravella]

To bring the prices down, Dodge should make a V8 muscle car without all the unnecessary bells and whistles -- backup cameras, power seats, moon roofs, touch screens, power windows, adaptive cruise control, heated seats, blind spot monitoring, etc. A muscle car only needs a big V8, four tires and a comfortable driver's seat.

[@solitivity]

You can't remove a fair portion of the things in newer cars because of regulations/requirements. Creature comforts such as heated and automatic/motorized seats, power windows (I don't think there's a regulation requiring it, but I don't know for certain), etc., can be removed, but stuff like the backup camera is regulatory. Nevertheless, you know who still finds a way to keep their weight down? Lotus. 😎

[@John_Caravella]

@@solitivity Yes, I do recall reading that backup cameras are mandatory in new cars. (I never use mine. Just look out the rear window like I did in my older cars that didn't have cameras and sensors everywhere.) Still, new cars are bloated with frills that aren't necessary and inflate vehicle costs.

[@Ahoooie]

That would be too easy.Plis they would say it costs more to redesign it to be cheaper.etc

[@a.t1313]

The days of "stripper" Mucslecars is long gone and is never coming back.

[@MeetTheSLAYER]

There is no way to find an old school stereo today. Good luck with that one.

[@dennishogenmiller4456]

I agree with the screen. We are told to stay off the phone. Its the law. The screen is worst than the phone. Go back to knobs and levers.

[@muskokamike127]

yeah, we have a distracted driving law here in Ontario (if you hold your phone in your hand) but it's ok for car makers to force you to go through 3 menus and 2 sub menus to turn the fan up or down. I rented a jeep compass for a weekend and it was freaking ridiculous.

[@dennishogenmiller4456]

@@muskokamike127 These computer screens are like laptops or desktop computers, they don't last forever. What happens when they fail? Will replacements be available or obsolete like others parts after 10 years?

[@muskokamike127]

@@dennishogenmiller4456 THAT is the big issue.....no, they won't be and any new ones won't be compatible with the old systems. It will be a problem with all electronics in new vehicles. I forget the year, 2008?, Ferrari. Bosch announced they will stop producing the ECU which caused the price of used ones to go from $200 each to $2000. They can't be repaired either due to being sealed with solastic material.

[@davidbourlier4533]

If you learn how to use them, you don't have to look at them all the time. They are voice-activated for the most part.

[@muskokamike127]

@@davidbourlier4533 I have never been in any modern vehicle with voice activated controls. Even bentley doesn't have that.

[@claypoole702]

Ford. Make a $20k family sedan... Make a $30k full size pickup. Drop all the unnecessary Tech and give us an American Made, Wheel and seat vehicle.

[@WesternBlur]

The US government is antiwhite and will punish any automaker that does that. Good wish list though I agree on that front.

[@jamesvandamme7786]

And no tailpipe. Electrons are cheaper than gasoline.

[@dmandman9]

Sounds good. Everyone says they want a basic no frills vehicle. But few people will actually buy it if offered.

[@russell4370]

I fully agree, bells and whistles run the cost up, for stuff that is not needed, engine/ transmission, and the old school way, get rid of all the bells and whistles, build engines and transmissions that last with maintenance.

[@grover10011]

Don’t forget to blame the dealers for jacking prices through the roof. They are equally to blame as Tavares is. I wouldn’t consider buying any of these “Lot Rot” vehicles. And I do drive an older Dodge Charger. jmho

[@TecDLogic]

I am confused tho, even ford dealers do increase the price of the mustang why does this method only affect Dodge?

[@scottthomas8171]

@@TecDLogic The Ford dealers only screw you for the "limited edition" models. You can get a GT all day long with $ off. They treat a Dark Horse like it's actually going to go up in value every day you own it, which it won't. It is neither limited nor collectible.

[@HenryWeems-kr9wr]

Dealer markups are ruining everything.

[@scottthomas8171]

@@almaster666 Regulations are a large part of it, but the dealer markups are the largest. Really took me out of the market. I'd rather get a root canal than try and buy a Mustang Dark Horse. The dealers treat them like the Mona Lisa.

[@nikorasu_karasu]

People still pay for them when that's something that can be negotiated down. They fan only get away with what the consumer will tolerate.

[@ohger1]

Yet no once complains when they're deeply discounted when there's too many on the lot...

[@rchydrozz751]

Two things. They're playing customers for fools. Plus, huge markings are needed to pay the exec huge bonuses they were agreed to get.

[@georgewilson1184]

I wish ford would bring back a unique near full size all wheel drive supercharged LTD sedan & Coupe

[@SuperSaltydog77]

They had the Taurus SHO, they stopped making it. My brother has a 2018 Taurus SHO, it is incredibly fast, very responsive, and goes well in the winter snows of northern Ohio. I drive it occasionally into Cleveland, roomy but good fuel milage.

[@steveburlingame1935]

They should bring back the taurus or the fusion A fusion sho wouldve been cool

[@joshuawalker6312]

Or the crown Vic

[@eltonyancey6426]

@@joshuawalker6312 With rear wheel drive.

[@stephenrenkavinsky472]

I would love to see a Focus again..

[@captainslow788]

absolutely hate the screen and lack of actual buttons. the worst trend in motoring.

[@ohger1]

I had a Tesla for a week, and LOVED the car, but I HATED the display controlling everything. I don't think I was able to fart without calling up a flatulence app on the display...

[@stephenreade6433]

Completely agree, muscle memory for operating the old style gauges was so much better than the distraction to find a touch point on a screen. I can’t stand the incorporation of touch screens in vehicles.

[@outtahere321]

Agreed, and the screens look ugly and stupid. At least Audi can hide their acreens in the daah if desired.

[@RoadHouseeee]

Any automaker can make a V8. They just don’t get as many government tax credits. Props to Ford for sticking with their V8 heritage.

[@Alans63]

When that digital gage cluster screen stops working, you can expect to pay a MASSIVE amount of $. Also, the car will be basically useless w/o that digital gage cluster working because the lcd or led monitor has crapped out. They will eventually!

[@CRINGE-MEISTER]

Modern screens are practically bulletproof from a technical standpoint. If it goes out, sure, it may be expensive to replace, but you're betting on it going out rather than not.

[@Freon1969]

@@CRINGE-MEISTER Umm It says FORD on it. Most likely Chinese electronics that won't last 10 years.

[@Nelson-v1i]

That's with any car

[@lanemorrow7417]

​@@Freon1969bs hater comment. Thanks for playing

[@Freon1969]

@@lanemorrow7417 Yeah, guess who makes Ford instruments panels gear........................... Summit Plastics - Nanjing, China: instrument panel components. Now apologize.

[@cesarcalzadias778]

Ford should double down and drop the 7.3 V8 into the Mustang

[@hochhaul]

They're ruining the 5.0 with changes they have been making. You'll get free Ford branded crack pipes with your Mustang before you get one with a LS-knockoff 7.3.

[@chickenfixn4439]

Elon musk bought ford last week. I guarantee you that will never happen. He wants the mustang and f150 to become fully electric

[@Nelson-v1i]

I agree

[@lanemorrow7417]

​@@TT64NOVASSyes and make it slower woo hoo

[@speedracerjeff]

The 7.3 is still inferior to the LSX

[@amunderdog]

The last ford i remember, that got my attention, built in 2002 Mercury Marauder

[@Live4Pin]

Yesterday all Ford dealerships were shutting down according to this guy 😂

[@shooter2055]

Son recently purchased a "3-pedal" GT. More power than he will ever need. A few, essential performance options. Very red. He's old enough to know to be careful until the tires are warm. He beat up the dealer a bit. 51K out the door.

[@AlanPiconi]

Hey.....the grandson of Chrysler just tried that buddy.....they told him to Fu.. off😮

[@Grumpy_old_Boot]

Which is reasonable, really ... they have slowly been buying Chrysler out since Chrysler went bankrupt in 2009. The only reason Chrysler is still around, is because they paid for it.

[@Davorox1]

​@@Grumpy_old_BootThen they proceeded to personally kill it lol

[@johnhinant970]

How will the big 3 sell anything when they have nothing we want or can afford?

[@appleiphone69]

@@johnhinant970 they expect you to go into debt. It’s the American way. Buy that 80k SUV for the misses.

[@drakulie]

LOL. 52 k for a 28K car.

[@joshuaearnheart2756]

You people don’t understand all the features that have to be implemented into keeping the drivers safe. Buddy of mine bought a brand new 2023 f250 last year. He was talking about how expensive the truck was but had to spend money for his business. Well a few months ago he was just cruising down the highway at 60 mph and another guy in a new Silverado blew through a stop sign and my buddy hit him between the back drivers door and the bed. He was driving 45-50 coming across the road and got hit by an 8k pound truck moving 60 mph. Buddy jumped out of the truck and ran over to check on that guy because he rolled 6 or 7 times out into a field. He was still conscious. They had to cut him out of the truck. Both went to the hospital with very minor injuries. Go do that in your “tough” old truck. It just simply won’t happen.

[@johnelder4273]

The Big Three lobbie d for all the ridiculous safety standards and fuel economy standards to be imposed to make it impossible for new car companies to be created. Now, they cant make a car that middle America can afford. So all three went all in on $75,000 and up trucks but now they have run out of people who can afford them. Too bad, go out of business or lobby to lower all the stupid standards.

[@lifehealth489]

you mean 52K for a 16 to 20K car tops , way over inflated

[@joshuaearnheart2756]

@@johnelder4273 what’s so bad about a safe car that gets good fuel mileage? The prices have tripled in the last few years because of the Covid bullshit. Thank the liberals. Not the manufacturers

[@Freon1969]

The UAW just called and said SHHHHHHHH

[@willa2365]

MOST new cars and trucks are waaay overpriced. I don't think I'll spend anywhere near that much for one of them. Seriously, 50-plus thousand for a Mustang!!??

[@chunt4694]

With Fords quality problems, I would never own another one!! Just had to lay out $6,000 to replace an 2.0 ecoboost engine that died with only 65,000 miles on it!!

[@MX-CO]

All the newer cars are junk. And especially with tiny motors and turbo's

[@sachemrock]

Wow, you got burned badly. I am sorry. Buy Japanese if you want quality that won’t break the bank. People need to learn unfortunately.

[@plektosgaming]

My V6 ( with the same power ) runs perfectly. They really need to bring the 3.7 back.

[@bobbywalter5320]

​@@sachemrock three tundras.. three engines under 20k. 2.0 rare to fail

[@jimmyneutron3055]

When you buy a ford, you got to buy the vehicle where the company put most of their money in (QC and RD) in and that’s their f150-> owned a 2003 with a million mile and 2020 ecoboost with 55k miles I have no issues and air condition still blows. I wouldn’t buy ford escape or ford focus because that’s not their flagship vehicle and likely do a sloppy job in the build process. For gm, that’s their Silverado 2500 and suburban and not their Chevy Malibu’s or Impalas. jeep wrangler and not the jeep compass or jeep renegade you gonna be getting a ton of troubles.

[@Brendan194]

I have a friend that’s an insider. There is a fine/credit program from the government. Dodge has been in the fines for years. To keep themselves afloat they had to stop making their V8s. Chevy was attaining some credits they’ve had some EVs/hybrids, but they had run out and were going negative so they had to do the same. Ford has been making credits for years with their successful V6s, hybrids, and EVs. They still have credits hence they continue to produce the V8. That’s at least what I had heard from him, whether it’s true or not 🤷🏼‍♂️ seems possible though

[@michaelmartin7637]

I’m with you on this brother, bring back the physical hvac/audio buttons!! I don’t understand the manufacturers incessant need to make things even less user friendly & more reliant on technology…

[@truth959]

I can't believe Stellantis got rid of the Charger! This was a moneymaker for Dodge. People loved it. Also, police departments all over North America use the Charger for it's size, speed, and power. Stellantis clearly doesn't know a profitable vehicle if it bit them in the ass.

[@Grumpy_old_Boot]

Maybe they have something in the pipeline that will sell better if the Charger isn't there ?

[@Hrumskit]

​@Grumpy_old_Boot they are ceasing all production of internal combustion engines and shifting to ev. No new gas charger planned. The new ev crap is whats down the pipeline so dodge is circling the drain.

[@MeetTheSLAYER]

@@Grumpy_old_Boot yeah, it is called, oh the Dodge brand is bankrupt now?

[@MeetTheSLAYER]

Within the Grape Vine, Carlos Tavares just might be getting replaced. Their EV's are already breaking down, the Hurricane is about as reliable as a dead body on top of that. So now they are planning on replacing him, but not until his contract runs out as they do not want to just pay him off to f off.

[@Grumpy_old_Boot]

@@MeetTheSLAYER "Oh the Dodge brand is bankrupt .. again ?"

[@ricjona1069]

Ford should use another legacy name for their 4 door. Like Fairlane, Galaxy, Falcon, LTD, Crown Vic, Taurus, or even Thunderbird. Rename the Mustang EV Thunderbolt.

[@John_Caravella]

Ford is only able to make V8 cars now because of the carbon credits they received from making the electric Lightnings and the Mach-e Dodge had to buy their carbon credits from Tesla. A year or two ago Stellantis said they would no longer buy these credits. In hindsight, they made the wrong decision.

[@appleiphone69]

They are also so far behind introducing EVs.

[@appleiphone69]

Corvette is a sports car full stop. Always was.

[@appleiphone69]

The Mustang has been the best selling sports car world wide for a few years.

[@kevinbarry71]

If the current charger and challenger were so great there wouldn't be tens of thousands of them sitting around on dealer lots unsold for months. It's just a horribly ancient design, badly assembled, engineered cheaply, sold to people with no taste

[@rokusentertainment5787]

You must be joking 😅😅

[@kevinbarry71]

@@rokusentertainment5787 i'm sorry reality bothers you. But reality doesn't care

[@cessealbeach]

Unreliable

[@randshelton9588]

I was going to comment also.. any dealer around here in NC has plenty of Chargers and Challengers.. some dealerships have gotten wise and cutting the prices to move 'em out!

[@solitivity]

The biggest gripe I have with them is that (especially in the south) *everybody and their mamma has a Charger* and the car has really only had exterior redesigns and minor interior redesigns. What hasn't been redesigned is the thought process behind using the cheapest materials they can find for the interior. 🤣

[@MuahMan]

Shoulda kept that Focus ST. I had one for a couple of years, it was damn nice for the price.

[@eddiejoseph9062]

Buying Dodge, Ram, and Jeep would quickly turn a billionaire into a millionaire.

[@jasonbrosseau1056]

While I agree that Ford has always supported the Mustang very well the Mustang has always dominated sales over Dodge and Chevy sports cars. I believe they sell twice as many per year or more on average usually. I expect even with the higher prices they will sell even more of them when people can no longer get new V8 Camaros or Mopars.

[@roguedolphin]

That SCREEN on the Mustang SUCKS ASS Big Time. Hate it and all the sun glare. What a frigging Distracted Disaster waiting to happen.

[@handgunshooter2978]

Do you own one they are fine

[@vincenzo.correale]

GM destroyed Swedish Saab and desintegrated Korean Daewoo. Corporations serve their shareholders and not our wants and desires, unfortunately. Stellantis, has also killed several of their local brands. Ford was destroying Mazda that was luckily bought back by Japanese Capitals. Same with Volvo, Ford was disintegrating it and the brand was bought back by Swedish Capital. Chrysler was destroying Lamborghini which was bought and then bought latest by Audi. Renault owns Nissan and there's lots of bad blood between the brands which hopefully one day separate again and restore Nissan's once 4x4 Greatness. More on GM: Isuzu, Suzuki, Opel? Need I go on?

[@jackdaniel4325]

Renault is a PO💩. I know because I used to own one. I think that’s one of the problems Nissan has. Just my 2 cents. One thing Nissan is making that I like is the Frontier with the 3.8 liter V6.

[@CraigSmith568]

They should have called the Mustang Mach E the Galax E. I still think the Mustang is too expensive.

[@LT390]

Ew! As a Mustang and Galaxie lover, Galax-E would also suck as a name for that electric Ford offering. The Galaxie was a much larger car, not a small SUV.

[@CraigSmith568]

@@LT390 At least it was offered in a four door, unlike the Mustang.

[@stuies6761]

A four door mustang is a crap idea. Bring back the Vickie, make it v8 rwd, and watch it sell like hotcakes.

[@Eric_Olsen]

I do agree I hate the single screen in new cars I want analog gauges with a 3 inch screen to have all the info I would need. Along with physical HVAC controls and a volume knob in addition to any steering wheel controls.

[@patrickbateman580]

The new GT is $20-25k more than the 2014’s were new. The destination fee is 150%. People don’t realize how extreme the prices have risen.

[@gk5891]

@patrickbateman580 Base $32,000 vs $47,000 $15,000 difference Premium $37,500 vs $50,000 $12,500 Difference. Premium usually outsells Base 7:1 or so. I bought a 2014 Base with 6R80 and R. Spoiler Delete. Didn't trust the Chinese Manual Trans with a Blower. It's currently set about 700 rwhp.and has been passed on to a friend (Medical issues prevent me from driving it anymore). His wife has lots of fun with it.

[@ourhigherselves]

A 4 door Mustang? Well, Hell, just bring back the Mustang II Ghia 🤮

[@roomdog40]

You nailed it on the screen and safety considerations. I hope people are listening to this.

[@MotorFeed]

They are terrible. And the sun glare is the worst.

[@rafaelalvizo7128]

No more hemi, over priced trucks, challanger and charger soon going. I cant imagine dodge existing within the next 25 years if they keep this up

[@fredcarbery3966]

You mean next 25 minutes

[@LS1007]

There’s new Chargers coming in two and four door versions. The Hemi is gone but the twin turbo V6 makes more power and torque than the 5.7 did. You can check them out for more information if you’d like.

[@peeweeacres]

Totally agree with you comment on the dash being 72 old years to look at the screen to change the climate control and radio among other things is way worse than talking on a cell phone.

[@Bryan-jd7os]

If someone built a basic, analog guage, manual windows, stick shift mid sized truck in the $20k range, it would sell like hotcakes.

[@ramblerdave1339]

With no effin back seat and doors! I might like to step into something newer than my present '02 Ranger, and Ford won't build a reasonable size pickup, even though they still sell one elsewhere in the world.

[@mattmallon6546]

A muscle car must meet the 5 requirements to be considered a muscle car. 1.American Made. 2.V8 Engine 3.Rear-wheel drive. 4.Two-door body. 5. Can seat 4 passenger IE Mustangs, camaros, chargers, novas, chevelle ect So a Corvette has been and will allwas be a sports car not a muscle car. Also an el camino is a truck!!!! :)

[@rboling]

Wish the modern Challenger was made in America by an American company. Sadly, it is neither.

[@nsbioy]

The charger/challenger were made in Canada. 😂😂😂

[@ramblerdave1339]

No one under 50 actually knows what a muscle car is, or for that matter, a sports car (2 seats). You, included. Mustangs, Camaros, Challengers, Firebirds,, Barracudas, Javelins, 1st gen Cougars, are Pony cars ( because they copy the Mustang formula) Musclecars are mid size sedans with their company's largest V8 engines. A modern equivalent would be a Fusion with rear drive and a 5.0, a Malibu, with a LS, or a Chrysler 200, with the gen 3 hemi. The Charger doesn't fit, because it's no longer a mid size, as the largest car Stellantis makes. I was alive when the Automotive press came up with names for those categories. If young people could read and spell, they might learn that the internet "experts" know nothing about what they speak. Most Chevy guys can't spell Camaro correctly.

[@golfgod912]

I sell for a Ford dealer in South Georgia and the new Mustang 5.0 has been selling pretty well and the Platinum and King Ranch F-250's have not slowed down. The only thing we are struggling to sell (other than EVs) are Edge's.

[@MrDanielmarlowe]

Fords 5.0 coyote is an awesome platform have one in my 2016 F150. I love it.. efficient, reliable and powerful.

[@AStanton1966]

But now they come with a plastic oil pan, start/stop, and cylinder deactivation.

[@petepete3389]

Junk. All these "musclecars" are oversized, overpriced, over-complicated caricatures of the real muscle cars of the 60's.

[@captainbeyond4350]

The insurance is going to be high.

[@bondgabebond4907]

Might? That would be something. Toyota, Dodge, Nissan, Honda, etc. make sedans. I was blown away years ago when Ford decided to ditch cars. Not brilliant. But then their tiny cars were trash.

[@joedunmore3007]

I agree with 💯 about the digital cluster.

[@deanmitchell9568]

In 1994 I bought a Ford Aspire it was made by Kia I put 200k miles on it and was running strong when I sold it. Does not surprise me that they would be working with Kia in 2024 or copying them.

[@RickyD1968]

I totally agree with you about the dash !!!

[@kevinwensole7219]

the corvette is a sports car, not a muscle car

[@therandomchargerdaytona1454]

The new ones are sports cars yeah, but the original styled corvettes were always muscles cars, and the old ones, before they turned it into that Ferrari looking one

[@HenryWeems-kr9wr]

Love the Mustang hate the stupid video screen. So ugly!

[@brucedale4465]

The new mustangs are just butt ugly, love the older ones though!🤷🏻‍♂️

[@garyolafson8303]

Agreed. I as 73 yr old American, I also hate interiors with Tablet(s) placed (stuck vertically) into the dashboard, especially the Tablets that block windshield visibility out

[@KNIGHTOFELEMIA-i7i]

If Chevy blames the government and mandates then why do they still make the Corvette? My gripe about that Mustang is there is no stick shift I wouldn't buy it.

[@timschultes6467]

You can get a 6 speed manual if you want it.

[@DontCryAboutIt]

Have you ever driven Camaro. visibility is poor.. You can't even see some stoplights if you're at the line.

[@hochhaul]

The visibility out of the rear was the actual problem. The biggest issue was the ugly interior styling and the mid-cycle refresh that ruined the front end styling. The 6th gen Camaro began to fall short of sales targets because the cost to get a V8 Camaro was thousands more than the cheapest Mustang and Challenger V8 options. The visibility only made things worse. Which was stupid because GM certainly knew that owners had already complained about poor visibility in the previous car. Some 80IQ overpaid executive then decided that what the 6th gen needed was an updated exterior that was much much much uglier but looked more like the ugly Rumblebee car in the latest Transformers movie. Somebody at GM admitted the updated front end was hideous when they decided that the ZL1 would not get an uglified front end but instead retain the original front end that looked good. The 6th gen had a lot going for it in terms of handling and speed, but was held back by poor visibility which made it difficult to use as a daily driver and the interior design looked awful day 1.

[@MusicMike747]

In this economy, anyone would be a fool to buy a new car. A $52,000 car, $0 down for 60 months at current rates? Over $1140 a month. For a depreciating asset.

[@plektosgaming]

I just did a build and price for a base GT with reasonable options ( spare tire, nicer paint, better floor mats, etc ) and came out at $45K. Closer to 41-42K after rebates and discounts. In today's world, that's about as inexpensive as it gets for a V8 car.

[@nephetula]

$50k+...for a Mustang??? And all that stupid screen technology to deal with? Sorry, I want menus in my restaurants - NOT in my cars!

[@JuanTomlinson472]

Get used to it you got a piece of crap KIAs costing $60,000

[@BigBisalreadytaken]

Hate the screens!

[@drp1bb856]

Ford has been maneuvering the mustang to compete with BMW, Audi,MB, and even the corvette. My first new was the mustang Boss302 Laguna Seca. That car was designed specifically to beat the BMW M3. Since then the Boss302 LS gets blown away by modern GTs. I have been amazed by their performance benchmarks since 2013. And yes I am a GT350R/GT500 snob as well.

[@MotorFeed]

I can't wait to see the new GTD in person... or drive it!

[@John_Caravella]

The 5.0 Mustang GT only became a very good car in 2018 and onwards. Before that it was just ho-hum.

[@solitivity]

@@John_Caravella I wouldn't quite say that, but I entirely understand where you're coming from. The S550 changed the damn game. It turned a straight line performer into a good sports car, even in the base models. That's what I feel has made the biggest impact to the Mustang's performance in recent years. Ford drops a new model year GT, then shortly afterwards they drop a special trim that has some new suspension, transmission, etc. (such as the Mach 1, GT350 and GT500), which said upgraded parts find their way into the standard base and GT models in succeeding model years.

[@drp1bb856]

@@John_Caravella The coyote 5.0 is the current and only 5.0 V8 available since 2011.

[@drp1bb856]

@@MotorFeed Now that’s a video I can’t wait to watch. The resale market on those cars will be a nightmare.

[@pauld6967]

The Focus?!? No. The Fusion would be acceptable but even better would be the full-sized Taurus or LTD. Maybe go really Old School and bring back the Galaxie. Whatever name Ford goes with, it better be a proper sedan and not a midget sedan.

[@dcpack]

The Focus because all they want to offer is 2 liter engines or smaller.

[@pauld6967]

@@dcpack Bah! What they want to offer is unimportant. What we, the consumers, desire is what drives the market. Never roll over and meekly accept what scraps they offer. If they fail to deliver what you seek, ditch them and buy from one of their competitors. This is true for all things in life. Products, employment offers, girlfriends, everything.

[@kaiserbillxiv1245]

Mustang had the archaic 1950s solid rear axle until the new Camaro came out with IRS. The lowly Explorer got IRS in early 2000's and the T-Bird got it in 1989.

[@DZ-fx1yq]

Corvettes are not muscle cars.

[@koolxxxyear]

I’d just lease one, Have fun with it and turn it back in. Yeah, who said fun in a new machine is cheap?

[@brainsmasher66]

Driving a Camaro is like driving a tank. It looks cool from the outside; but it doesn't feel like a sports car.

[@BlackSuperman643]

Because it's not a sports car; it's a muscle car. Corvette is considered a sports car

[@thataintit2133]

Have you driven a zl1

[@doughughes1514]

Ford has always been able to pivot faster than the other two. It was the main reason they didn't have to take the government bailout years ago. Another sneaker vehicle are the V8 jeeps. While not a car, those older body style grand cherokees are surprisingly fast and handle well with the all wheel drive.

[@jasonbaxter5502]

I thought the car industry was going out off business. I mean the few last videos the industry was out of business.

[@castiland1000]

It’s kinda like Scotty dying every other video

[@GF-mf7ml]

Look at Europe they really want to ban iCE. You have to buy 3 EV for 1 iCE hybrid.

[@jackblack3886]

Just like 1970. '60s muscle cars were disappearing to be be replaced with boring family units. Same scenario, same words.

[@WARDADDY72]

Those fucking screens are a no starter for me. It looks like they tacked two android tablets up on the dash with a bracket. It is so stupid looking. If you have to have the dumb ass screen put it into a stylish dash like the 911. They did it right. Leave it to Porsche to make a car perfect.

[@MotorFeed]

100% agree with you on this!

[@davebrown9725]

No physical controls is a deal breaker, volume knob, temperature knob, a button you can feel before you activate it. If the hazard light switch is only onscreen, a really bad sign of distraction and trouble.

[@joegabbard5538]

Aston Martin's new screens are placed well with enough hard buttons

[@davebrown9725]

@@joegabbard5538 For their price, they can be so well equipped.

[@frederickwillis4924]

OG comment makes a great point. But if they separated it and resized it, then it would work.

[@jeffrielley920]

I went to the dealership last year to buy a Dodge Challenger. They ran a background check on me, came back and said they couldn't sell me the car because I didn't have any felonies.

[@MotorFeed]

Your credit score was also too high.

[@trailertrashtim1]

I hate this idea. What's next? A 4 door Camaro? A 4 door Corvette? Is Ford so lazy and uncreative that they cannot come up with a name for a sedan?

[@MotorFeed]

Totally have to agree with you. Just bring back a really good looking Taurus. Have a 5.0 V8 option.

[@lovinclassics2161]

They have so many names they could use it’s crazy to keep slapping Mustang on everything. I remember when the Ford Taurus SHO struck fear in more than a few cars. I’d bring that name plate back with a good looking bull logo.

[@bwatkins1223]

I agree. I have liked the comeback Charger, just don't call it a Charger! I wouldn't mind a 4 door "Camero" just don't call it a Camero. And don't price it as much as a house.

[@joshuaearnheart2756]

Why does it have to be such a negative thing? What if people want a mustang but can’t justify it because they have a family. Making a family oriented mustang isn’t such a bad thing. I personally think making the interiors and such more alike would make even more sense. If you don’t like it then just buy the 2 door. It’s pretty simple actually

[@ramblerdave1339]

​@@bwatkins1223No one ever made a Camero. CAMARO!!!

[@johnasbury4997]

Bring back the Crown Vic rwd v8

[@YOUneedJESUS1]

Mustang had that design dating back to the late 90s. Kia stole the disign 30 years later.

[@Flake._.]

Stop the ev mandate than

[@rboling]

What is the ev mandate?

[@Flake._.]

Whatever the government basically want's, Car companies to do to have a eco friendly environment. and nobody like's electric cars so companies are likely to fall.

[@draaz3n633]

Was considering a mustang for my next car, issue is getting any creature comforts and decent performance upgrades (active exhaust, performance package, magnaride) you end up creeping well past 60k. At that point why not get a Dark Horse? Ford is smart, they know their competition is dwindling in this space. Looking at the mid cycle refresh Explorer ST now!

[@jeffreyflick4501]

Get rid of the government regulation, not the car.

[@Nelson-v1i]

Yes, get rid of the EPA, I agree with all of this that climate change crap is just that crap. There is no actual proof in any of it.

[@hitsquad2149]

Excellent review on the mustang. Thanks.

[@mattthompson3656]

The Tremec is only available on the Dark Horse! Also, the corvette is a 2 seater so it's considered a sports car not a muscle car. It's too bad the C8 can't produce a reliable transmission!

[@hochhaul]

It's too bad Ford can't produce a reliable transmission! Chinese-made manuals with wimpy shift forks and cheap bearings, trash-tier 10R80. Maybe Ford should buy leftover ZF 8HP transmissions from Stellantis.

[@wanted-33]

My wife is the Mustang person in the family, driving an '18 GT Vert now. She will agree with you on the dash. She wasn't very happy with the new design, but when she saw that screen she decided she would continue driving her '18.

[@MrDanielmarlowe]

Long live the 5.0!

[@darylnicklen3685]

The problem is when someone makes the only one of anything sooner or later the quality of that item is not maintained in future models as there is no one else to compete with to keep them pushing the boundaries

[@Streetglide2021]

Love those new mustangs!!

[@hc7679]

The question of why Dodge and GM are discontinuing I.C.E. sports cars is easily answered by looking at the performance numbers of the electric vehicles . Even with half the horsepower they are quicker . The numbers are not anyone's opinion , just like the light at the end of any quarter mile racetrack . How can you sell a so called performance car that makes 700- 800hp being out performed by an ev that makes half the horsepower ? So Ford is the fool , because they are trying to on to something that has no purpose .

[@meo8260]

We get it, you’re a Ford guy!🤮

[@ScoopSimmons]

No more Camaro? As stupid as going for EVs when hybrids make way more sense. Corvette is cool but way more expensive. I'll take a fire engine red Mustang. The blue is beautiful. Your dash idea is awesome.

[@lovinclassics2161]

Okay I’m just kind of laughing here. The Toyota dealership basically has a Chevy showroom floor on their corner with a BMW Supra on the flank. It was excellent of them to make it convenient 😂 Ford needs to quit slapping Mustang on everything. They should dust off the old Taurus SHO nameplate with an updated Lambo style bull or steal the AEV logo with SHO. Take mustang off of the Mach and maybe rename it Cougar or dust off some other nameplate sitting in the parts bin. The Lobo Maverick is a perfect example of this. Ford not putting a wolf 🐺 logo on it will be a crime. Glad Ford is still hanging in there and keeping the V8’s around. The EV market flaws are evident. I have a feeling that the government mandated changes will be restricted or the time frame will be extended. Long live the 5.0!

[@lovinclassics2161]

And yes I said BMW supra as the motor is from BMW. The new Supra is a huge disappointment to me. It’s so small it feels like you have wrapped a beer can around you. Just give me a Stang

[@tommanseau6277]

I can see it now: the 4 door sports car. Oh, wait, didn't Nissan make that all the way back in the 80's w/ the Maxima?

[@JuanTomlinson472]

Yep and Nissan is killing that car off

[@Grumpyoldman666]

Ford seems plenty busy jacking up the prices of the total POS F150.

[@jeffreyrichards153]

I completely agree with you that the Mach E should have been named something else uther than "Mustang". I've campaigned for years for them to rename it as the "Ford Palomino". It's sounds exotic and keeps within that horse theme. 🐎

[@FixtIt]

I want to gladiator badged as a power wagon, with a V8.

[@MotorFeed]

That would be epic.

[@DavidBucciVoice]

I have a 2005 GT and I love everything about it except the interior. It’s spartan and lacks tech, even for 2005 standards. It’s still stock, with no winter driving, and the only thing I’ve upgraded is the sound system. I have to have CarPlay and a little more control than the stock radio offered.

[@nightcrawleroriginal]

The foreign owners are just ruining the dodge brand. They want everyone to have the Pull-Start version of it. My personal views.😊

[@madhatter9001]

I drive a Ford F-150 King Ranch, 5.0 and it is my second F-150 I've owned. I would put it up next to any turbo because the Ford 5.0 can NOT be beat.

[@2kool4ukewlguy77]

Wow Toyota has everything

[@georgedoolittle9015]

Nothing beats the driving experience of a Sedan. SUVs and Pickup Trucks simply are not made for people who are passionate about driving. Also the profit margins on a Sedan are war moar larger than will ever be true of a truck or SUV for the simple reason far more economical use of material and almost always rear wheel drive. I have no doubt wherever Dodge, Chrysler, Buick, Chevrolet even long gone Pontiac and so many more Badges both here in the USA and the UK will be bringing back Sedans. The problem is not with Detroit but with China which has gone absolutely bonkers for cars the last 20 Years or so. Even Europe now some of these prices for Sedans are all become so low even this very expensive Mustang will need to hustle that muscle to compete. People not liking prices here are very much spot on to not like this! The fact remains the US Government keeps the Chinese Badges out because there is no way Detroit can compete with that at any level. This obviously isn't true of Japanese Brands or Korean Brands or German Badges with some exotics thrown in which have moar made in the USA than near any Detroit product does. As Europe is consumed with War and Asia consumed with a trade War or worse even in full size trucks and SUVs brutal to compete in that even with Government and UAW assistance. Still Ford, Jeep, Dodge, Lincoln, GM, Chevrolet, Buick and even Chrysler still has a something in the Pacifica not just showing up Ford in particular playing to win in every market segment save one namely first time buyers. Everyone I knew grew up with a foreign badge as their first car usually Toyota or Volkswagen but also Nissan, Subaru, Hyundai Kia maybe an Audi and once you become familiar with that preferences change. *"Insurgents"* are just going to do everything a little bit better. In many ways it's a miracle Detroit survived the 1990s although they had great Sedans back then. One reason Ford chassis' are so good is because the Ford Explorer nearly bankrupted Ford back then it was that bad as a 2 Door. Those vehicles compared to today are total junk I know I had two F-150s both super strong V8s great everything worked hard did their basic functioning but at the end of the day were Trucks. Dove into every corner, took forever for the brakes to work, had so much steel felt like driving an actual billet of metal actually. Ford got lucky with the Maverick. This happens sometimes just one vehicle kills it and that carries the entire Stable with it so expect Ford to stay strong in the Years to come because of the diminutive offering. Make no mistake the Ford Maverick is a truck that drives like a Car and that's why people can't get enough of that machine. And it happens to be a truck. No one has even come close to getting lucky like that although Tesla was made as a stunning business success with the Model S. "meant to kill BMW took out Honda and Toyota instead." That made in the USA Sedan along with the Tesla Model 3 nearly took out the entire Sedan Market in North America actually. Tesla really has changed the game actually. Fit and finish is on a whole nother level with 2020 vehicles and beyond. Tesla did give the automotive World The Screen for better or worse as well, absolutely. These big V8s aren't going anywhere tho. Everyone talking up the twin turbo V6 is about to get schooled big time by BMW which absolutely owns the twin turbo V6 product going on decades now. Japan has gone back to 4 bangers in a really crazy way actually so that one will be something to watch. Europe is bring back V12s actually. Want a great drive take a Dodge V10 Viper out for a drive but yes once the 2025 Model Year finally settles here the disaster at Toyota is what is bringing Detroit back big time. The Rav4 is totally dated I agree not much wow factor in the BRZ...worst Year ever for Toyota 2024. This of course is leading to more attempts at price gouging rather than trying to generate sales but it's been ohhhh about 50 Years since Detroit had some bragging rights with a specific product which would be the Chevy Caprice easily the best Sedan ever made. If Detroit learns the lessons from that single Model they will be thriving for decades to come as battery electric excepting Tesla will forever remain a niche product in the USA in the World of Sedans. Not so full size pickup trucks tho. Talk about a throwdown what's going on with full size trucks right now is going to blow people away starting with #irony Dodge RHO a no compromise ICE platform. Make no mistake though full size battery electric trucks from Ford, Rivian, Tesla, Chevrolet and soon Dodge are going to blow people away with fit and. finish. Rumor is Caterpillar and John Deere want to start producing full size trucks now too without all this electric gibberish but go totally as old school as possible for real farm ranch and mining trucks so yes pretty to be amazed apparently 😊

[@davidperry4013]

A Lincoln town car comeback would be awesome. It would be an EV due to ride comfort reasons instead of just controversial policies like CAFE and EPA. Even if the top trim level is going for 6 figs like a black label which comes with lincoln branded champagne flutes, a refrigerator for champagne or wine, a Revel Ultima 2 sound system with Mark Levinson amps, powered adjusting rear seats with powered leg rests, a partition, electrochromic windows, powered opening and closing doors, and Rivals a 450k British luxury car.

[@billdornan4379]

Plus, they’ve priced everything through the roof🇨🇦

[@carriebishop8568]

I agree, I like both of the humps inside the mustang and also I hate that digital screen because you can see all your fingerprints and dust buildup on it it's horrible. I don't know why Ford design team would come up with this crap. Not buying a Mustang for sure

[@marcasswellbmd6922]

I don't like those screens either. I'm older so that kind of stuff doesn't appeal to me at all. Barely use the bluetooth.. I don't want to deal with all that while I am driving especially a manual..