TVS Apache RTR 310 2024 First Impressions | S02E16

[@motorinc]

⚠ Updates: *Cruise control in reserve* It is supposed to work in reserve - TVS sent us a video showing us that it does. *Cruise control in Rain Mode* TVS says they're checking why it didn't work in Rain on our test bike - _because it is supposed to._ However, the documentation that came along with the motorcycle does mention clearly that on both stock and IMU-equipped models, Rain, Track and Supermoto modes do not have cruise control enabled, only Urban and Sport do.

[@adied_2001]

in reverse ? tf ? 😂?

[@Mototune16]

Cruise works on rain mode.

[@KanagarajNarayanasamy]

@@Mototune16 no

[@Mototune16]

@@KanagarajNarayanasamy at least search before commenting. Dont be like these guys who made the video please

[@kirayoutube5252]

Thanks for the correction

[@mithumondal9740]

Best thing about this channel is that in addition to knowledgeable bits about automotives, it doesn't feel like two specialists spewing out technological jargon 😂. It genuinely feels like being in a conversation in the living room with two friends and discussing the latest automotive news. Feels like home❤. Please keep up the vibe❤

[@motorinc]

Thanks Mithu! Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience!

[@ChrisBOMtoATL]

Cause they both and their entire team I believe are true enthusiasts about machines and hence the passion at work.

[@mithumondal9740]

@@ChrisBOMtoATL correctly said 🔥

[@mithumondal9740]

@@motorinc welcome 💯

[@vigneshram5237]

Fr

[@HarikrishnandIceman]

The chemistry between these two is probably the only reason I sit through an hour of a review of a vehicle I will never even think of buying. One my favourite bit of internet for some time now.

[@motorinc]

Wow! Thanks Hari! Glad you’re enjoying the MotorInc experience!

[@UxJoy]

+1 the banter is great.

[@techieabhimanyo5270]

Totally agree man #great work @motorinc

[@vasudevanvenkataraman5587]

"Dont use colors just because its a color screen, use it to highlight the important information" - Thank you Shumi! As a UX Designer, I cant emphasise how important this is on any screen, especially an automotive screen that you dont have the luxury of looking into for a long time. A simple color highlight to indicate the important factor is so easy for the rider to gather required information in the shortest time!

[@SGoswami41]

Sunday tea was ready and so was the breakfast, the only thing remaining in completing the Sunday morning was Motorinc First, and lo and behold it's live; a perfect Sunday!

[@motorinc]

Glad we're running the same time 😆

[@Nawynn]

Me: I planned to start my Sunday with a movie that I have been eagerly waiting for! MotorInc: We got you covered!

[@motorinc]

Alright! Have an awesome one!

[@akshayanvekar797]

Man , I feel so grateful knowing that I could consume such high quality content for free. Thanks for all of this Kartikeya ,Shumi and the whole team ofc.I mean for e.g which channel talks about a motor vehicle's seat in so detail that you as a viewer innately know why it's so fundamentally wrong. Also when are we getting a discord server :)

[@motorinc]

Hey Akshay, that’s very generous and extremely kind of you. It’s massively encouraging as it recognises the effort that goes into it. Do stay tuned. We hope to better conversations soon! 😁

[@BikerSaran224]

​@@motorinc party ho jaaye 🎉

[@fanta6789]

I have a TVS apache 150 for 16+ years now (Surge 150 not RTR series). Serviced at the same dealership i bought it from, have had no issues, like them a lot. But please NOTE: They are the main dealer in Chennai, and have been a TVS dealer since they made TVS 50 xl. Service in South is pretty good (chennai and coimbatore especially) considering they are based out of here.

[@m.nagarjun3239]

In Madurai too service is Good👍🏻Especially Sathya Jyothi motors is great I Got my 200 4v RE there Customer Experience was the best. And many other dealers where also doing a good job except one particular dealer that I don't like because their way of service is too slow and improper that includes Customer satisfaction as well not good.

[@motorinc]

Oh wow! That’s amazing to know. And good to hear!

[@krypto-mv8xp]

May i know which branch you service your bike at?

[@fanta6789]

@@krypto-mv8xp Ramkey TVS, Adyar

[@rajinvincible]

@@fanta6789 can you suggest me a service centre in Coimbatore??

[@Asaritwo]

I started test Riding Last year in August with Speed 400 followed by RTR 310 , then Scrambler 400x then Interceptor 650 then at Last continental 650 and New Himalayan 450 . Man!!!! It was confusing in Beginning but as I kept riding different segments i got to find my kind of Motorcycle which Himalayan. ➡️RTR 310 has Character but As Shumi said it has Lot of Vibes. ➡️Speed 400 feels Power packed but It feels Bland after 100-110. ➡️Scrambler Is something i liked very much so much close to what I want. ➡️The Interceptor 650 which i rode felt less connected Handling wise and wobbly after certain speed. ➡️Continental 650 was something i enjoyed thoroughly But suspension and Tyares still something i wasn't comfortable with. ➡️Himalayan Felt as Good as Scrambler and Then some it just Flies , There are Vibes but not much Bothersome as RTR and Feels as Light as scrambler 400x. So finally Last Week i Booked Himalayan 450 , I am soo excited😊 So take Shumis word And Test it for Heck of it And You will find Best Bike For Yourself.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for the update! Glad you worked it out @Asaritwo!

[@avikpodder6267]

The entire discussion as usual was superb . But those last few lines regarding how it should have been TVS first and BMW second regarding the development of the 300-400/450cc product line up is bang on.

[@motorinc]

🤷‍♂️ Just seems right…

[@LAKSHAYSHARMAYOGDEEKSHA]

I bought a pulsar 150 IN 2010 when I was dreaming about rtr 160. That is how good tvs has been. I remember how gutsy of a bike 160 was. And then rr310 was launched. Damn what an attempt. Had me believing that 10 years down the line (today), there'd be a 600 cc behemoth. That" was" the expectation from tvs' legacy. COMPLETELY agree with you both when you say about transition and how complex introspection and comprehension, that too, at an organisation level is. Would still wish for the tvs to make a standout product. I do wish a similar for Bajaj. And a ktm like stint back in 2013's would be a dream come true from these home grown brands.

[@motorinc]

Good points Lakshay! Thank you!

[@harshittiwary458]

TVS really peaked at the RTR200 4V, a phenomenal motorcycle, sounds great, handles brilliantly and is still one of my favourite bikes. The only reason I wouldn't buy one is the service experience. I have five friends in two different cities, three of them own an Apache 160 4V, one Ntorq and one ronin, and every single one of them complain about the service and always suggest that I not buy a TVS motorcycle.

[@motorinc]

That’s really a shame. Those are great products and they deserve better.

[@PrinceofPersia99-ut5ei]

I own a RTR 200 4v from 2021.... Service is really an issue.. In some parts of Banglore... But the Authorised Service Center is really great in terms of everything I just travel 70 kms for service... But worth it.... I live in Banglore... Neo tvs is best ❤❤

[@skeet295]

don't get discouraged by service, try to find alternatives near by, happy riding

[@hgpoovanna4069]

I own a rtr 200 bs6. Wonderful machine. Not without its flaws. Being a machine i expect it to have flaws. What I can't digest is the specialists responsible to fix those flaws are not really specialists. It's been 22000 kms and there's this constant humming noise at idle rpm which increases as u open the throttle. It started from last 500kms, and took it to tvs service center, clearly explained them the issue and they said they wuld look into it and fix. They take the bike in, did the general service and I get a call saying bike is ready. I go chk the bike only to notice that nothing has been solved. All they did was change the engine oil, lube the chain and wash the bike polish it. Although they did tell me they hv inspected the engine head and adjusted "things ", the humming noise exists. The only seemingly valid answer i got from the technician was that it's the nature of rtr engine, its the noise from the timing chain, but clearly the its just been 500 to 600 kms after the noise started. And I had another technician who told me that, " the bike has got a water wash, water wuld have seeped in , once the engine heats up water will evaporate and the noise will be gone ". This is from a so called tvs official technican 😂. So clearly iam done with tvs not bcz the product isnt good only bcz the after sale support is quiet non existent. And to say tvs service isn't cheap. The official schedule requires my bike to turn up for service once in 3 months. And in average its a 1000 rs bill which is always more considering the oil they use needs to be replaced every 2500 kms.

[@oriondoublecrossed]

How about that loose engine cowl hanging down ? Is it going strong or it has become looser ?

[@hgpoovanna4069]

@@oriondoublecrossed no plastic has loosened. That includes the kaul

[@shaarodmahanta2473]

Their service is one such major reason why they're not getting more customers rn Even today I've felt this bike to be very premium even after coming from the KTM showroom after sitting on a d390, as a product it's a good tech loaded bike if speed isn't the only thing we need. But this service experience plays a major role in leaving this bike aside from list even if I liked it initially.

[@RahulSinghV]

I have been riding this bike for the past 3 months. I completely agree with the temperature control seat being very uncomfortable. I have changed my seat to a regular seat and it is very comfortable now. I have the suspension adjusted (with the service center help, I didn't do it myself) and I don't feel that suspension is stiff. It wasn't bad to start off anyway. Performance, feel and the other discussions in this video are on point but I just like the bike for what it is. For me it is AWESOME. And I might be the only guy saying this. TVS service has been really good for me. The helped with the seat discomfort issue and in general service and service updates. I owned a RTR 2004v previously and back then the service experience was pure 💩, but now it has been good. Hope it lasts long.

[@gaureeshhegde7865]

Do you have adjustable suspension? Or did you get the normal suspension only retuned? Because if that's possible I'd like to try that (I have normal suspension and I think the rear could be a little softer I have no complains on the front)

[@motorinc]

Hey Rahul! Thanks so much for sharing your garage with us! And - congratulations! We are happy that you are enjoying the TVS life. Wish you all the best for your travels with it!

[@VikrantMalhotra13]

Riding this bike from last 1 month and as this is my first bike and a newbie rider I found it just perfect. I think limiter bands are way too close in urban mode. Secondly i don't know if it is just for me but the turn indicators are shifted way too inside and sometimes I have to move my hand slightly to the right to turn off when switching off right side.

[@kshitijpohanekar426]

@@gaureeshhegde7865 yes same question, but as I know we can adjust rear suspension there is something 4 setting and I really don't know much about it. If we can adjust stock suspension then it will be a very appealing thing!..

[@RahulSinghV]

I have the adjustable suspension variant ​@@gaureeshhegde7865

[@krisindia]

Took it for a test ride. Got it back faster than the test ride limit kilometers wise and said thank you. That bike is just one thing....VIBRATION and a hand forearm massager. Enfields now feel way way way better in the single cylinder category.

[@m_adi]

Every time I watch your videos, I learn something new, and I have realized that this has made me a better motorcyclist.

[@amandas1383]

Was eagerly waiting for this first impression. I have one RTR 310 (Base black with quickshifter) from past 5 months and 6600 kms later I can really confirm that Shumi's observations are exactly in line with me. I really think that the base variants are much more bang for buck compared to the top of the line BTO spec variants as they are priced more in line with the likes of Duke 250 and CB300R and offer all the useful features like Quickshifter and Cruise control without losing anything crucial for performance. TVS service needs to improve a lot as it's really bad. Amazing content as always though🔥

[@motorinc]

Thanks Aman! This is really helpful!

[@hitmanjass3108]

Hey bro what will you suggest duke 250 or tvs rtr310 and tell your experience which will be helpfull for me

[@kinggsimbba]

I own a RTR200 in Dubai... Honestly there is a speedometer error of 7kmph... Single ride me bing 100kg... The bike cruises freely even with a wind blast at 110kmph on gps thats 117 to 118 kmph in up s and downs... I feel to upgrade now and i now m firm to go for the RR310... KUDOS to you and all that u mentioned in this... Thanks a ton bro... 🙏... ❤ From Dubai🥂

[@Apachebility]

Great informative conversation..... I am a proud owner of tvs Apache since last 15 years... I had Orange tvs apache RTR 160 fi version which was launched in 2008, back then it was a bold move by tvs to put fuel injection in a 160 cc motorcycle... But the market was not ready for such technical change because people have to pay more for the same CC motorcycle... I rode my RTR fi for more than 2.5 lac kms... Still have it in my garage... It was way smoother than any other carburettor varient motorcycle, had better fuel economy and way better sound.... But the company discontinued this variant after just one year. And now every other bike is having fuel injection system... I bought Apache RTR 200 4v bs6 6 months back... And it is significant improvement in terms of fit and finish, and its engine is a Gem 💎 It too have few technologies which people may consider gimmick but what tvs is doing is setting a target for other companies and for themselves as well... What indian mass motorcyclists want is the value proposition... If they have made RTR 310 just 40k or 50k cheaper, their sales would have set new milestones.... I would love to see if tvs can make BMW's marvelous engine and their technology to reach more people in future.... Because in the end tvs is a INDIAN BRAND not a European sales person.... Love you guys... Keep posting such videos, i wish shumi to add few short clips from his riding experiences to these videos... ✌🏻😇

[@dushkriti32]

Waking up in the morning, and getting a notification of MotorInc video and finding an hour long video! God, this really is Sunday. Thanks for the good start of my Sunday :D

[@motorinc]

Hope you have had an awesome one!

[@ChrisBOMtoATL]

I cannot agree more. I've owned the RTR 180 since 2015 and still stays with me back home in India. After 80 kmph on a highway, the bike feels its doing a lot of stuff. I am running a BMC air filter as the only mod with Michelin grippy tyres for the odd size it comes with. I can say that despite being new, old, carb or FI it still feels a lot mechanical. I still love the feel and hence haven't sold it yet. This was the main reason for me to source a used Gen 2 Duke 390, a used Z800 and then a used Z900 to enjoy these bikes for what they are. I still ride the RTR when am back home in India. So it depends on what the user wanted back then but then again, today we have tried and tested much more refined bikes above and below this bike.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing your motoring life Chris!

[@shashank0710]

Sunday morning 9 am videos - seems like the norm now! I like it!!!

[@motorinc]

Thanks Shashank! We like it too!

[@prasanth4997]

I bought my first bike back in 2011, TVS Apache 180 white (Old style one). Its covered almost 1L+ kms. I paid whooping 1Lakh at that point for a bike. I'm 100% satisfied with the performance. I still remember the college days when I'm at any traffic signal, wait for green and accelerate, My bike will just jump and sprint and i was always in the first position. Just like a wow !!!

[@rahulmooley3298]

Almost an hour of content yay! Happy Sunday everyone :)

[@motorinc]

To you too, Rahul!

[@UdayPaiUday]

Was expecting for this one. Now cb300r of honda 🔥.

[@motorinc]

Waiting for both R and F test bikes, @PaiTrades!

[@Yeahbois69]

​@@motorinc I've heard Honda hates sending test units...?!?

[@ChrisBOMtoATL]

​@@Yeahbois69they don't hate it, they tend to not have media bikes allotted like most other manufacturers.

[@rakesh0759]

@@Yeahbois69 from what i've seen, they don't give a f about marketing in india. it hurts cuz they make some really great bikes but they never hit indian market. i wish these japanese automobile manufacturers take india seriously.

[@ankitsd7474]

​@@motorinc waiting for the same thing

[@Abhi-now]

The main concern is if TVS service can support the range of electronics provided. There is only 1 showroom with a display RTR 310 in the whole of bhopal and that too is heavily abused by "Reviewers" and since they remove the speedo wiring. The odo is still at 8kms & the audacity to blatantly lie about it and not decrease the price is insane (i crosschecked the chassis no. from the videos & the actual bike).

[@motorinc]

Oh no! Thats terrible!

[@HiteshSoni-gi9zt]

I've been following Motorinc's content for a while now and I'm really enjoying it. I love the way you guys deliver the information. The way you present it keeps me engaged even if the video is lengthy. Also, had just one request from Motorinc, just wanted to get the startup tune which is played in #first videos. Really love that startup tune. Thank you and keep up the good work 😊

[@sagarbaul7863]

Thank you motor inc. you guys are good. I bought Scrambler 400x recently and your reviews helped me made up my mind as well as numerous test rides of various bikes I did over last 6-8 months. Hoping for a good journey on my 400x. Cheers.

[@motorinc]

Congratulations! Wish you awesome travels with your Triumph!

[@aniketvaidya628]

I am really awe for you folks. You guys are truly best. Hope your channel grows and timeline of videocast as well. 😊

[@jeganathanr8200]

Tbh I agree with the TVS experience, but it's mostly limited to the relatively newer chains. The old stalwarts maintained their quality. The upbit remains the company is extremely responsive to poor service complaints and other options are given and the request is catered to. The company therefore seems serious on the complaint. Something I have never seen when we complain on Honda or Hero, Bajaj is a different issue altogether so not including them into the comparison.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing that. Good to know that they are trying to change things.

[@ChrisBOMtoATL]

No one can deny but Ducati motorcycles have always been the inspiration for TVS team whenever a product is launched or updated. I wouldn't be surprised if the upcoming 310 adv from TVS looks a lot like the Multistrada 😅.

[@motorinc]

We can’t wait for the TVS Adv!

[@MrSMK21]

Another top notch MotorInc First episode! It's a bit suprising to see the direction TVS are taking! Also after watching so many of your videos, yesterday, I went take a test ride of the Triumph Speed 400, RE Hunter 350 and RE Meteor 350. I just wanted to share my experience and ask a few doubts in case either Shumi or Karthikeya stumble upon this comment. 1) Triumph Speed 400: Having heard so many positive views including those on the MotorInc First episode for the Speed 400, I was extremely keen to test ride this bike. And when I rode it, it was instantly likeable. The seating position wasnt extremely comfortable but it wasnt something I would complain about. The bike is eager to accelerate and is yet happy to cruise around calmly in low gears. It was compact and it ticked most of my boxes. I never rode a motorcycle above 150CC and I was quite nervous about the Speed 400. However the bike never felt intimidating. As Shumi said, vibrations do creep in at around 6500rpm but in Mumbai roads in the evening, i could never maintain those RPMs long enough to see how uncomfortable it could be for me. The suspension setting was however extremely comfortable. As somebody who would rarely gun their motorcycle, I feel the vibration issue won't be a bother for me. The Triumph showroom staff were quite responsive and were eager to make a strong pitch. One thing that caught my attention was they said that the prices may be raised very soon and urged me to make a booking (refundable). Overall, the Speed 400 makes a great first impression and RE had work to do to sway me away. 2) RE Meteor 350: After the great experience at Triumph, I visited the RE Showroom and the difference was instant. While the Triumph showroom was very sparsely populated with customers, the RE showroom was overflowing with them. It took a little effort to get somebody's attention and book a test ride. However once they booked the test ride, the staff were helpful. I am somebody who has ridden the Avenger 150 Street quite a while ago, and the riding position of the Meteor 350 instantly reminded me of my Avenger Steet. The longer I rode it, the better it felt. The J series engine is surprisingly likeable and is at its best calmly thumping away at moderate speeds with absolute ease. I really liked the Meteor 350 but it did feel a bit heavy for me. 3) RE Hunter 350: As somebody who is 5'4", the Hunter 350 is something I was really looking forward to, given its compact dimensions. Surprisingly however, I didn't feel comfortable in its riding position and found it a wee bit aggressive for my liking. However there was nothing to complain about the engine and the performance, it was just another J Series engine, happily thumping away. Overall, I didn't gravitate towards it due to the seating position. As I was just strolling around in the showroom admiring the RE Shotgun 650 and the new Himalayan, my eyes fell on the RE Bullet 350 Golden edition. It was a beauty to behold but I was apprehensive to test ride it as I was always intimidated by the Bullet and the Classic. Upon my friends insistence, I bit the Bullet (pun intended ;-) ). 4) RE Bullet 350: The moment I began riding the Bullet 350, I was surprised at how uncomplicated the motorcycle is. It was comfortable, a very nice riding position, and was happy to chug along without asking you to keep revving, and at the same time wasnt shy to pick up the pace if needed. As somebody who 3 minutes ago was intimidated by the Bullet 350, I was surprised at how much I enjoyed riding it. The suspension was decent as well and leaps and bounds better than the RE Hunter 350. Overall, I really liked it, but the weight was challenging for me at times while trying to park or move the motorcycle from parking. As somebody who is more inclined towards the Avenger Steet style cruiser-like seating position, I quite enjoyed the Meteor 350 and also liked the Bullet 350. The seating position on the Triumph Speed 400 wasn't an issue, but sadly the Hunter 350 did bother me. I am now slightly confused as to which motorcycle to choose. My mind says the Speed 400. At 2.33 lakh ex showroom, it feels value for money and something that is calm yet sporty. However, after riding the Meteor 350 and the Bullet 350, I am really attracted to the J Series engine and the riding position of the Meteor 350 and the pure motorcycle experience on the Bullet 350. I do have an issue with my right knee and ankle due to chronic injury and the weight of the Meteor 350 and the Bullet 350 did seem concerning to me. Could you help me with any suggestions on what points to further consider to help me make my decision and perhaps give your suggestions on what other motorcycles I could consider? My primary use case will be commuting in the city and an occasional long ride every few weeks. Your content has inspired me to get back to riding motorcycles after a gap of nearly 6 years. I know this is a long post but I will be extremely grateful for your views and suggestions! Thanks in advance!! Please continue posting awesome automotive content and thank you for the uncompromising quality.

[@motorinc]

Hey @mrkszz! We loved reading this comment! So much thought in there! We always say choose the motorcycle your heart prefers over the one your mind recommends - it works out better. That seems to mean the M350 or the B350 for you. The primary choice you're making is the riding position, the Bullet will be more comfortable. We're not sure about the extent of your injuries but if you pay extra attention when you're coming to a stop, you can learn to favour the other leg and get around the weight of the bike.

[@eelongMast]

like R3 has a very good basic engineering with no extra techs or gimmicks I would say. But that CBU thing is killing us.

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@surendarmohan9878]

Last month I took my brother’s Ntorq to a TVS service station in Chennai and that was my 1st experience with the TVS service. 30mins it took for a consultant to attend my scooter while they’re busy fighting between their colleagues. The person who attended my scooter dint pay attention to my concerns and I know from the beginning. Delivery happened in 1 day, they rectified 2 complaints out of 8 I have stressed while putting job card. The delivery person convincing me to take the scooter out now and bring back in 2days to check the other problems. There was a guy shouting with 310rr, a guy with XL front fork issue. Then I understood TVS doesn’t show partiality treating the customer 😂

[@motorinc]

Oh wow! That sounds terrible! Which TVS place was this Surendra?

[@surendarmohan9878]

@@motorinc TVS dhiraa motors virugambakkam Chennai

[@aryanchopra8349]

I can relate with that shouting rr310 guy😂. Went to dynamic tvs dabri, Delhi somedays ago, had a similar experience. They take so long just to make a jobcard let alone doing the actual service, and then they tell you after 1-2 hrs that they don’t even have the parts required!

[@pranavathreya8074]

I was on my toes waiting for Shumi's review of RTR310. Alas, I couldn't wait anymore and bought the RTR310 Dynamic variant before the review dropped. Interesting observation after around 4k KMs, don't go for the top spec off the chart, instead get the adjustable suspension option. Added benefit of a TPMS will surely help in the longer tours. The adjustable suspension is actually way too easy to bring the ride quality back to the comfort pack. Yes, THE BIKE IS LOUD, only bothers when revving at low speeds but at high speed on highways, there is no issue of noise hitting the rider. 4 years late into the market, but not bad for someone who wants an aggressive beginner bike. Thanks Shumi and Karthikeya for the amazing sessions that you guys put up! Much love ❤️❤️❤️

[@motorinc]

Hey PA! Thanks so much for writing in. Congratulations on your bike! Make the most of it. And wish you awesome rides. Keep us posted!

[@rishabdutta2135]

Finally you made a video on RTR310. CB300R next please 😭🤌

[@gokulwazowski7461]

@motorinc Yes please

[@motorinc]

We want to… but we need the machine too!

[@shivambhatarkar462]

Took delivery of BTO variant with both the packages included. Few things I noticed which you guys also pointed: 1) Climate seat is just a gimmick. 2) Bike does feel premium with the switches and overall design. 3) Cost is bit high for BTO variant(too high if compared with 390 duke) Haven't touched suspension setup yet will play with it once i spend some time with it. And God knows what kind of service TVS has to offer. Hope for the 👌

[@varunchingan7677]

Sunday morning has become perfect all of a sudden😅

[@motorinc]

Glad we have a role to play 😊

[@GauravPeddagopu]

I just wait to see this conversation between you both. I really don't know what this addiction is know as, but truly I enjoy it.

[@motorinc]

Thanks Gaurav! Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience!

[@Dushyant933]

When I saw this bike, my first impression is that TVS really wanted to compete against the Duke 390 and then they decided to build a naked version of the rr310. So they called the engineers and built its naked version by giving some new electronics which bikes like Multisrada has. In terms of design, it looks like some Chinese company created a cheap replica of Duke 390. And also I want to add this, they (TVS) delayed the live launch vid further and my impression is that if the launch vid didn't go well, then the bike itself isn't gonna be good.

[@motorinc]

Interesting observation…

[@aravindkannan9569]

I admire the calm and composed nature of both of you. Hair style , Beard style and minimalistic dressing style of both of you are too good.

[@gaureeshhegde7865]

HOLY LORD FINALLY!!! Even though I bought the bike months ago I am SO EXCITED to see this video! Hope Shumi enjoyed riding this bike

[@motorinc]

How has your experience been Gaureesh?

[@gaureeshhegde7865]

@@motorinc This is my first bike so its been phenomenal. One thing I couldn't wrap my head around was when Shumi said it's not exciting enough( maybe because he's way more experienced than me😅) because I tested the Duke 250 too and this one seemed more agressive and exciting to me. And I have gotten pretty used to the vibrations they don't feel bothersome to me. Couldn't have been happier😃 Oh and I absolutely don't get tired of looking at it and I think you guys would love the Blak and Red more

[@amandas1383]

@@gaureeshhegde7865 I have a black one too from past 5 months. I agree with you completely😃

[@Ashes-9]

Inspired from Ducati Street fighter, wannabe duke, dressed like Bumblebee but with Ronin dna 😂 Meh at best ! Holla Shumi and Kartik ! Your Conversation has become the staple main course of my Sunday Brunch !

[@motorinc]

We love Sunday brunches too! Thanks for having us over!

[@finderskeepers7293]

I've loved this format and I've said this so often. The other thing which I really appreciate is that these guys call a spade, a spade. If there's something about a bike (or a car) that isn't so good, they call it out and that's what we the public want- honesty. Some of the other (auto jurnos/ reviewers) seem too indebted to the auto companies and it comes out in their reviews.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for the encouragement! 🙏🏾

[@finderskeepers7293]

@@motorinc My Pleasure. Totally. 👍🏼 I look forward to these sessions.

[@johnkodamala6149]

Waiting patiently for the rizta episode

[@motorinc]

Will be a while…

[@Dr_Pranjal]

I feel so connected to you both! It's so wholesome seeing two friends discussing bikes with such a neat presentation. You guys are the best in the business, very different from other reviewers. Keep Growing ❤

[@motorinc]

Thank you for that Doc! ❤️

[@DavidEmmanuelJoseph7009]

True TVS makes good stuff service need to improve there service and learn to care for the machines.

[@motorinc]

Indeed!

[@DevilAlpacca]

The criticality is unmatched with any other channel and is what manufacturers should adhere to! Hats off to Shumi 💯

[@vinaychinthla314]

After 5 dms and many comments on KZbin we have it finally

[@motorinc]

We can't rush because you comment or DM, Vinay. We won't rush to create content, we'd rather solve for quality and clarity than more content.

[@Dootsauce]

​@@motorincTHATS WHY YOUR THE GOAT !!! THE GOAT!!❤❤❤

[@vinaychinthla314]

@@motorinc not to criticise you guys I told in a funny way, Biggest fan of your work, you guys have my respect

[@motorinc]

Thanks Vinay! 🤗

[@sudharshanr4997]

One of the most anticipated Motorinc First's !! Sunday morning tea served :)

[@motorinc]

Kadak chai?

[@sudharshanr4997]

@@motorinc Kadak o kadak!!

[@harshittomar8038]

Which bike would you suggest under 3 lakhs? Max speed can be around 150 and it should be good enough for touring as well. Mostly has to be used for daily commute.

[@shadow_realm47]

Cant believe that they didn't do one in Ferrari Ducati S1000rr RED! You have do a red if it looks like the street fighter v2/v4! Loud Red! Bumble bee yellow! Classy Nardo Grey! ( with yellow highlights like suzuki) Stealthy pure blacked out!

[@suhridsit4456]

58 minutes passed and i did not even realise.That's the quality of this channel.

[@andydrums4333]

This is the truly objective bike channel out there. I specifically wait for YOUR reviews when a bike comes out. Leagues above other channels

[@motorinc]

Thank you very much for the kind words @andydrums4333.

[@saismaran5464]

As an owner of an apache rr 310 the bs6 version here are some keen observation 1. I live in Bangalore and according to me there is only one good service centre and they are really good at it 2. RR310 is at a really good spot in my opinion i have done a 800Km round trip in one single day and it was quite comfortable its pepier than an sf250 and a comfortable compared to an rc390 3. Tvs really wants to look after its premium customers they have something known as an AMC package which covers your labour charge for 2 services so on the labour charge itself you would be saving 1600. They give you discounts upto 15% on parts and they cover all the electronics, injectors, ignition coils, one way clutch. So it is easy on our pocket if something goes wrong and the AMC COSTS YOU ONLY 1600 RS 4. The rtr 310 customers recently had a camp where there ecu were updated and the handel bar barends were changed to dampen the vibration extra vibration dampening materials were placed below the tank so now the vibrations can be compared with an rr310 5. TVS is not only selling us the product but also organises track events where we can upskil ourselves and this event really helped me. 5. Tvs provides you an unlimited km rsa if something goes wrong with your motorcycle or if you have met with an accident If anyone is planning to get one i would say go ahead but please do not fall for these bto options they are of no use

[@motorinc]

Thank you for sharing @saismaran5464. Glad to hear that you're having a good time with the RR310. Most of the advantages that you have listed here seems to come down to the one good service centre that you have access to. So, we're just being the devil's advocate here, what if the service centre nearby isn't as good as this? Would the experience be still the same?

[@saismaran5464]

@@motorinc it's always good to have some critisism then the manufacturers will also try to improve their services. One thing with tvs is that if you're part of their aog group and you know the right persons to contact maintaining your bike would be a breeze and easy on your pocket too. Majority of the service centres of tvs are really bad and i totally agree with your point

[@sohiebricks7667]

@@saismaran5464 can you tell me about the service center, you're referring here.

[@saismaran5464]

@@sohiebricks7667 global tvs nagharbavi

[@parthgohel5116]

I've been looking for some standard parts like a turn indicator, handle bar end and a new gear lever assembly because my friend dropped the bike while going out of our parking (quite steep incline). It's been 2 months now, still no one responds even 3rd party garages cannot fix as TVS folks will not let us buy those parts individuals and wait times for these parts is already 3-4 weeks, won't even accept full payment upfront as per what 3rd party service people told me. It's a RTR 200 and the same parts are shared by RTR 160 4v as well. Am now looking to get it fixed as soon as possible and sell it off.

[@motorinc]

Ouch. Would you like us to try and help Parth?

[@suryakantsharma8085]

A good sunday morning with you guys! I think TVS's team needs to watch this more than us and if they stick to their core, it will be a win for all.

[@motorinc]

❤️

[@ankushbehera1853]

The numbers the marketing doesn't matter... Just the conversation between these two tells a whole lot real word story.... Thank for the information... I was thinking of buying one it helps a lot

[@thridevsuvarnan8208]

I can confirm the TVS RR310 service issue. I bought my motorcycle from Bangalore and then later moved to Hyderabad and I tried about 5 service centres since 2019. The service cost isn’t high for TVS but I’m too frustrated at how well they service the bike and most importantly how much they are not accountable with ordering parts when required. The latter was so bad that I eventually ended up ordering parts myself online from 3rd party platforms and go to service centre with them! I’m 32 now and at this point in life where I value my time more than money - hence thinking of upgrading to a premium brand for better service experience. However, I’m extremely pleased with my riding experience and the built of the bike.

[@motorinc]

Such a pity. A happy rider being turned into an unhappy owner.

[@nihaalkrishna9264]

The part where Shumi talks about transitioning, it makes so much sense especially in the context of Jaguar rebranding themselves

[@motorinc]

But do you think it's been received well @nihaalkrishna9264? 😅

[@souviiiik]

wait I saw the whole impression of the rtr 310 when was 450 mentioned? could I get a timestamp of the correct video?

[@gautamr2723]

I don't think any other channel has gained trust and grown more quickly and effectively than MotorInc. Just amazing work, please give us more and more cause I just can't get enough of these reviews!

[@motorinc]

Thanks Gautam! We didn’t plan to grow quickly but we were clear that we wanted to help the motoring community as effectively as possible. Clearly MotorInc Fam sees this and we love the love!

[@VeerSindagi]

Thank you for making my Sunday morning better ❤

[@motorinc]

Thank you for being here with us!

[@swapnilbarhate6229]

Awesome review as always. Just FYI, I took test rides of Speed 400 and Scrambler 400X. I felt Speed 400 to be "pedestrian". 400X was a different story. Just loved it. Booked it immediately. Taking delivery day after tomorrow on gudi padwa (apparently no waiting period, no one seems to be buying it in Navi Mumbai 😊) I have to admit, if it wasn't for Shumi (watching all his videos) I would have probably got the speed 400. Thanks Shumi for jaagofying the inner biker in me. Keep up the amazing work you guys are doing👍

[@mallikarjunabasavapattana5947]

This is the only channel i watch 40+ minutes video in KZbin ❤❤❤

[@shovanroy6818]

When Shumi says.. "Ride the RTR 200 ride the entorq 125, they are phenomenal".. I cannot agree more. Recent I have the fortune to ride a Ntorq at the hills of Sikkim. The things that the small scooter can pull off is Phenomenal. I was so so impressed with that. The Ntorque impressed me more than some bigger bikes. Everything about the product be that the power, suspension tuning, sound, equipment and features is just spot on it's an all rounder. It takes a team of really enthusiastic team of engineers make this kind of brilliant product. Sad to see the company take this kind of a pivot. I really think this pivot started from the Ronin, now it is effecting other products.

[@motorinc]

Excellent story and point! Thanks Shovan!

[@apoorvbachchan5196]

Would be great if you could share your thoughts (via podcast) how to treat your machines to extend their life. How not to abuse the machines (motorcycle and cars). By the way I just love the content it feels real and authentic. You people are doing fabulous work.

[@virajvrooms]

I actually applaud TVS for their bold attempts despite no sales. Its just that this bike doesn't make sense on the BTO platform. I am pretty sure this project wasn't approved by BMW. One reason they probably had to execute all their ideas on rhe street fighter and not the GS. TVS needs an Adventure Tourer and off-roader. That is where I would be happy to pay for all these electronics. Spending 20 lakhs for a bike with all electronics that can hardly be enjoyed in Indian conditions, I would rather be happy to pay for a smaller bike that I can tour on tension free and pay a premium for all those electronic goodies. Basically, the Multistrada Mono but still affordable in a sense. The 'premium' brands are just looting based on software and electronics that they don't even develop (mostly from Bosch). TVS just threw the rtr 310 in their faces saying ',this is how it is done'. The Hardware and mechanicals are still the the differentiators. Software and electronics are just icing on the cake.

[@GAUREESHHEGDEPESUBATCH]

Hey guys! Can you compare the chasis of this with the new 250 Duke? Also which one has better braking? On my testride i felt the initial feedback on the Apache is a little less...in panic situations however the stopping power was phenomenal.

[@NitishKumar-qi9pg]

Everytime I come here, I end up watching the entire video. Everything feels so connected. Great Work !

[@motorinc]

Thanks Nitish!

[@fishcomet5243]

Excellent first look! I'm looking to buy this since my primary requirements are a great quickshifter, tractability, and great headlights. Are the headlights good enough to not have to add any auxiliary lights?

[@vinayaksrivastav2328]

I was cooking pav bhaji as Sunday breakfast when this episode showed up and I was like cooking gai bhad me I wanna listen to them, it’s just so so informative and enjoyable at the same time, it’s as joyful as listening to a bike up shift or down shift, just a beautiful series BTW still waiting for vitpilen 250 motor inc first and that video where you teach us how to take care of your bike at home

[@motorinc]

Glad you’re enjoying the MotorInc experience! We’re waiting for the Vitpilen 250 test bike to come. And the other request is noted! Thanks Vinayak!

[@TrishitBiswas]

It's a Sunday morning and two buddies are discussing bikes. Sipping a cup of tea and I am watching it although I don't plan to buy the RTR. Superb quality content.

[@motorinc]

Hey TB! Thanks for hanging out with us! Have an awesome day!

[@Abhisheksingh-cb1ed]

I had already bought duke 390 after seeing shumi's sir fondness of it but I still follow these videos, don't know why as my requirement is already satisfied after buying a bike. I guess this might be my entry to buying a fleet. ❤

[@motorinc]

Hahaha! It’s totally understandable. And congratulations on your 390! Wish you awesome rides with it!

[@dovahsnake323]

My experience with TVS service: We have three motorcycles at home, a TVS Ronin is one of them. The sales experience was great. The service experience is terrible. Parts take weeks and months to arrive and are absurdly priced. Responsiveness is zero. Most importantly, the service technicians fill the feedback form that the customer should be given. You get a message saying “thank you for 5 stars”. So the upper management never gets to know about this probably. Compared to the bajaj and the Royal Enfield (two other bikes at home) the service is orders of magnitude more expensive and much worse. There’s something weird about the Ronin as well. The rear suspension is theoretically adjustable for preload, but the preload adjustment is blocked by the battery and some panels so you need to take it to the service Center for adjustment. Insane! Sorry for the long comment, but I’d be careful before making a TVS purchase. Great engines, great suspension, but terrible service and repairability. The aforementioned service centers are in Bangalore.

[@NishantCharles]

My bs4 Apache 200 race edition sits so planted and with very less vibrations at 100s even when it is air/oil cooled. I noticed viberation when was riding my friends RR310 and taught that it needed better service.

[@motorinc]

Understandable! And sad.

[@ChillKG]

I have bought this bike a month ago I haven't experienced any issues related to vibrations on city use and occasional longer rides You kind of get used to it, I am going on a longer tour next week, I'll update after a week on highway experience Riding position and feel is excellent Pillion seat is a nightmare Tech is cool Foot pegs scrape very very easily around corners Heat management is very good I personally wasn't bothered by sound as much Overall I am happy with the purchase and TVS NEO service centre in Benglore is actually not bad

[@motorinc]

Awesome! Glad you're enjoying your riding @mayb8701! Please do keep us updated on your experience!

[@ChillKG]

​@motorinc Update after a long time (Model: Mid yellow variant with quick-shifter without any kits) Loving this bike - TVS had a camp and they did update the engine tuning and foam inside the tank and handle end weights, it does feel better than before and I feel like the vibration issue everybody talks about is blown way out of proportion. It genuinely never bothered me. Is it there? Yes if you look for it It is never soo strong that it's ruining the riding experience It does put a smile on my face every time I ride it - Got the stock TPMS module and charger kit installed Getting my hands into those accessories was lets say not easy - quickshifter tpms and cruise control and tc actually work consistently and reliably - suspension for highway stability is nice but little on the stiffer side for indian roads, (i am a little underweight and i haven't adjusted preload for mine so thats there) - headlight there is no competition (dynamic headlights they say never noticed any difference😂) - connected features are a nice touch for longer rides. I do not use it for daily commuting as it's just not worth the time to open an app and connecting - Pillion comfort is horrible - The rear mudguard is useless so much so that it splashes mud to the back of the pillion and their legs - Mileage 😂 but you wouldn't be looking at this bike if you ever cared about it regardless Overall a great purchase for myself and I am very happy Not for the poor soul who decides to sit behind me for an extended period of time

[@anuvardhank.n3337]

These episodes feel like therapy 😌

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@gme1215]

37:06 - the Chetak reference sent me flying back in time....

[@TheTwinPost]

This feels so much like the meal-break automobile discussions me and my colleague have every now and then regarding all the new vehicles getting launched. Exception being neither do I nor does my colleague possess this ocean of knowledge that these two legends do. BUT to the people around us we sound like experienced mechanics (that's what we're told) 😄.

[@motorinc]

Keep it at it! Thanks a ton!

[@ravanbro]

I hope this channel to grow to the stars and shumi to provide and aware us always like this. Thanks to both of you. Been watching you since powerdrift. ✊✊

[@motorinc]

Thank you so much @ravanbro!

[@world.of.sid.n]

I think if the R&D departments of all these motorcycle companies spend some time listening to these guys, they would come out with the perfect motorcycle in the world. These guys are sooo good.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for the faith Siddharth!

[@manishbhat8570]

After multiple test rides the thing which stood out to me was rhe buzziness. It was noticable even at city speeds. I questioned the sales person about it and he just went "Oh it's a 300cc bike with a lot of carbon fibre parts, what do you expect 🤷‍♂️" which didn't leave me feeling very secure.

[@motorinc]

Carbon fibre what…..

[@manishbhat8570]

@@motorinc Plastic is made of carbon so I guess it's partially true at least lol. Not very fibrous though

[@motorinc]

Then you and us are carbon fibre too! 😂

[@AshutoshSharma-zm3fc]

I was expecting a lot from this as I got to know that the engine has been re done slightly, I thought the refinement level might have increased but that is not the case I think, was looking forward to the cooled seat because of our climatic conditions. I thought it would be a great touring bike but again tvs let us down, I don't have any issue with linear power delivery, I prefer it actually. For me refinement till 100kmph is a mandatory, I don't care if it starts vibrating after 100 as I mostly cruise at 80 and go till 100 for overtakes, hence scrambler 400x is the bike I will go for personally if I am in the market for a tourer. I was a huge dominar fan till the scrambler was launched.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing your perspective Ashutosh! The cooled seat may not be a bad idea but it certainly needs more thought and comfort.

[@pkdigital2257]

i am confused between Duke 250 and speed 400. i liked both. i want to do daily ride in city and weekend rides and occasionally go on long rides. which one should i go for and why. Thanks

[@SAN_Moto_Vlogs_Kannada]

@motorinc could you please provide ur feedback on this Duke 250 vs speed 400

[@wanderer_ankur]

It's been an year with my RR310 and i feel that i got the best one 😂🙌🏻 but i really like TVS since my dad's first bike was star city and now enjoying RR310 these guys have really been doing a great job ❤

[@AbhishekSharma-uo1os]

Man i would just sit and hear these conversations all day!!! amazing amount of insight

[@motorinc]

Thanks Abhishek.

[@abhilashmahamuni1540]

This is the only true review of RTR 310 on the KZbin.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for taking time out to be with us.

[@Soulmaster4]

I know they are not the exact same in any way, or what they're made for, but which is better to buy between the speed 400 and the rtr 310, given the pricing of the two! And even in top speed I think the speed does it better!?

[@ajayadhiya2010]

A wonderful episode, Kartikeya and Shumi...I can relate to the points made..Vibrations ..the 310s....TVS ...The Vibrating System? Naah, it used to mean "The Very Special" ones...about that comment by Shumi about a bike getting into perfect cruising mode...I had the first model Ind-Suzuki AX100...and at the same time, my RD350..the RD was also straining at the leash, you had to be accelerating or braking...the Suzuki, a fraction of the power, but highway riding, it was simply in a zone at 80,(remember it was the '80s, no divided highways, so that was about as fast as you could safely ride)...the smoothness, awesome...it was the bike I selected out of these two, to ride from Pune to Delhi in 1989.. and another point, I have noticed....have you noticed, as I once did, that the engines of scooters feel infinitely much much smoother than bikes of almost any displacement? I realised that when after many years, I got myself an Activa, to join my RD and my first gen Pulsar 150 DTSi...a ride out to the old Katraj ghat in 2003 on the Activa seemed an eye opener...about the TVS speciality of engineering prowess, and the success of the Apaches, the apparently confused clutter of gimmicky additions can, with residual vibrations, keep the buying public away..I really wish TVS the best, a proud heritage, a wonderful company...thank you both for this wonderful episode, as I said at the outset...

[@motorinc]

Exactly! Thanks for sharing your rides with us! You’re exactly right.

[@rahulbhagat8139]

I am glad to report that I have seen one rtr 310 on the streets. I saw it on two separate occasions on the tamhini ghat road, both on the weekends. He/she was kitted up and exploring the motorcycle.

[@motorinc]

Alright! Every motorcycle must be used and well!

[@swapnilmasutage5042]

I have seen one in Hinjawadi, Pune. Its really loud. Nice review guys. Keep it up. I am planning to upgrade my bike and your reviews are helping me to shortlist the bikes.

[@motorinc]

Nice! New bike discussions are fun! Keep us posted please!

[@amarnathgopinathan5800]

This is the hardest quick summary in the history of First Impression. A big salute to Karti Sir🙏

[@motorinc]

Thanks for that AG!

[@Yeahbois69]

S's smile after saying "unless you're into pain" is priceless. 😈

[@nishantrawat8613]

Hello Sir, I am planning to buy a bike for long travelling ,I am confused between Honda Cb300f vs TVS Ronin 225, my budget is upto 2 lakh only ,I cannot stretch it much..please give me brief between both and let me know which will be reliable and long-term bike.If you have any another option then let me know.

[@mrvoiceoverofficial]

Just brilliant, the format, the guys and the detail❤ keep it up, much love🙏🏽

[@motorinc]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much!

[@GearShifter925]

TVS Apache 310 R : Naked Bike HERO Karizma XMR : Full faired Sports Bike. I'm Happy and proud to knows that our own INDIAN Motorcycles manufacturers/Companies are producing something really good looks and Designs motorcycles.... 😳😲 🥳🎉 I'm hoping that someday very soon our INDIAN MOTORCYCLES COMPANIES would be considered as one to be qualify/competitor to world's well-known 4 GREAT LEGENDS companies/manufacturers A.K.A. 👇🏻 1). YAMAHA 2) HONDA 3). SUZUKI 4). KAWASAKI 5). TVS, HERO MOTOCORP ( coming soon ) 😊 Jai Hind.. Dhanyabad. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@Abhijitraijada]

I feel that headlight having variable brightness is the heat issues of the LEDs. LED might need some specific amount of air flowing through to cool it self and it's only possible at certain speed. My two cents. :)

[@motorinc]

Excellent guess! Might very well be.

[@MrSach2910]

To expand a bit more on TVS as a differentiater as a engineering first company, no better example than Jupiter. Have it for 8 years with all of my 98 kgs chugging it thru Pune's "puneri" roads for almost 68 kms daily.... Never thought it needs replacement or I can live without it. Have had multiple car n bike swaps since but Jupiter remains the constant... At time of writing this, have 6 of these within first circle of family. 😊

[@Harsh12351]

Need insight: I thought naked were almost always designed to be more aggressive than the faired counterpart because it is geared more towards a faster acceleration than top speed (think of MT15 vs R15). So why was it surprising that the naked 310 from TVS is more aggressive?

[@motorinc]

Because you lower gearing for nakeds assuming that other parts of the equation - in the case of the 310s, refinement - are in a good place. The 310s have never been refined enough, but no one's complained of them being slow. So lowering gearing with a negative impact on the weak part of the picture is a strange choice to make.