Triumph Speed T4 First Impressions |

[@motorinc]

*Chapters* 00:00 Meet the Speed T4 02:08 New Prices for Speed 400 03:32 The Big Change 08:00 Such a Sweet Ride 11:00 The Chassis Changes 13:58 Engine-Chassis Synergy 15:20 The New Seat 17:08 Not Great Brakes 17:50 Suspension 18:45 Speed T4 vs 400 Pricing 19:46 Marketing or Reality 20:43 Triumph Speed T4 Pro 22:03 Design 24:28 T4 vs Scrambler 400X 25:40 Scrambler T4? 27:46 How to Decide 29:55 Two Kinds of 400s 31:55 FOMO Tips 32:39 Headlight 35:30 Quick Summary 41:01 3 Updates Needed 41:01 3 Updates Needed 43:35 Closing Comments *Explore MotorInc memberships* at youtube.com/@motorinc/join *UPDATE* There's some confusion about the seat height. It's definitely gone up. But the product documentation we received from Bajaj/Triumph and what's on their website varies. We're using what we received in the graphics. But despite the numbers, the minor rise in the seat height of the T4 is real.

[@kshitijghormade584]

Is this comparison with the old speed 400 or the current MY25?

[@animealpha4795]

ONLY ON MOTORINC will you see a 9bhp less motorcycle with less tech be called the better one. Because it’s the experience that matters not the spec sheet. Peak Automotive Journalism right here!

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@suhasr76]

Absolutely!!

[@tdcv6309]

Don't agree with you there bhai, the rider seems to be maybe 70 kgs? If my 115kg frame were to be riding both, I'd know the difference right away.

[@cereal_dispenser]

@@tdcv6309 idk.... weight needs torque not hp...

[@elvesbane]

​@@tdcv6309It's not quite so simple, is it? AFAIK, what matters is the torque curve. The peak power figure is just a "max" value generated at a particular, very high, RPM. Since we can't see a torque curve (somebody needs to put these bikes on a dyno and make them available to the public), couldn't it be that the Speed T4 generates higher torque at lower RPMs (and thus, a higher power figure at those RPMs) compared to the Speed 400? And since we normies spend most of our time puttering around at these low RPMs (and not revving these things out on a track), wouldn't a less stressed, low-RPM focused engines be better at lugging us around?

[@nashwinder]

Everyday I'm more happy i bought the scrambler 400x. All the off roading I do is on JVLR, and the bike handles it beautifully

[@motorinc]

Awesome!

[@abhorrance]

Hahahaha!

[@sayanmandal2246]

How does the scrambler handle for long distances? I have the hunter and long distances aren't fun on it. 🥲

[@SatyaS_Pradhan]

⁠@@sayanmandal2246Hunter is meant for city usages mostly … so I understand your situation…

[@dhwlx18.66]

That is a beautiful machine... Congrats to you😇

[@leakedzebra]

I'm just 7 minutes in, and the sheer excitement on their faces while discussing the technical changes and engineering is so infectious, I'm here grinning like a Cheshire cat❤ Love you guys

[@leakedzebra]

You always know when Shumi is excited, he starts talking at twice the normal speed

[@motorinc]

Haha! Good point, LZ!

[@sayanmandal2246]

​@@leakedzebra The fact that he's excited is enough... normally he isn't or at least he wasn't about most bikes he tested in the recent past. 😂

[@thejas007]

​@@leakedzebra Precisely! I was listening to the conversation at 1.5x. At the 7 min mark, I had to slow down to 1.25x to make sense of what they were discussing.

[@swapnilbarhate6229]

@@leakedzebra true. I also felt the excitement ☺️

[@raiprateek1005]

The thing about LED lamps is absolutely spot on. What I believe manufacturers do is that they overcompensate, they believe a LED which is let's say 40% of the capacity of a halogen is enough( in terms of watt), because LED's are more powerful than halogens. This is why we are getting LED headlamps that are pretty useless basically.

[@AmalDevYT]

Wouldn't they do testing with it. I think they're doing cheap cost cutting

[@motorinc]

This needs to be talked about more @raiprateek1005, as they say, it's a safety issue!

[@raiprateek1005]

@@AmalDevYT they do test it, and because they are selling us the LED's they think that even less powerfulls one's will also sell. Because hey they are LED's, people will get crazy by the virtue of it being LED.

[@AAKEngine]

​@@raiprateek1005 even my trident 660 has garbage headlight, motorcycle headlights are the most neglected feature in any reviews, least talked about thing, and no one seems to point out towards it for some reason. I get it, it's a bike so many ride it during days or to commute but I for one feel that these headlights are there just for legal reasons and nothing else. A fricking 8 lakh rupee car gets a led projector unit including 4 indicators, reverse light, 1 brake lights, a high mounted stop lamp and two fog lamps. let's not forget a whole infotainment system. And all a bike manufacturer has to do is make a usable headlamp. Had to spend 25k for some aftermarket auxiliary lights just cuz the original made me miss so many potholes during night times. Only bike where the oem headlight looks good is S1000RR but it's sad that a good bike headlight example is on the higher end. Any bike over 2 lakh should have the best in the business type of lights.

[@orange42]

@@motorinc Got to be some basic testing available. LEDs are very peaky in frequencies and that does not work when needing lots of reflection at night, possibly in wet conditions. You need wide spectrum light.

[@RizwanAmir]

Watching this on a rainy Bengaluru weather. Nice!

[@kshitijpandey6514]

It's been raining since 5:30 in the morning since yesterday I am already missing the sun

[@motorinc]

Glad to keep you company guys...😄

[@ArunSapaare]

By the time I'm watching this episode, the rains have stopped lol!!🥱🥴

[@44neelakandasarmak99]

I completed my medical schooling from Bangalore and as an adult with responsibilities,I miss Bengaluru every day of my life 😊

[@suhasr76]

Then traction control is a must!!

[@Krishna-o8z9u]

It's nice when you explain a few things in the middle For example how Karthikeya explained looking at the camera, when Shumi was talking about how Triumph lowered the teeth. Another one is, when Shumi explained in the Ultraviolet F77 mach 1 video, about traction control. Basically explanations like these are helpful, and would be great to have them when talking about something that is complex to new riders. Thank you. Great work, 👍

[@motorinc]

Glad to hear that @Krishna-o8z9u! Thanks for the feedback.

[@CrokeAmini]

One thing I absolutely love about you guys are the thumbnails. They never lie. If a bike is bad, you can see it in the expression on the thumbnail. No clickbaiting, no misleading, just straight up truth. When your content is solid, you dont need these things. Fantastic Channel!

[@motorinc]

Thank you for being with us @CrokeAmini

[@vishnu.mj8]

33:46 - The Dominar, once it came out, had the best LED headlights in two wheelers I've ever seen. It's not surprising the Kartikeya mentions XUV7OO. Both headlight units are are made by Varroc IIRC.

[@Phoenixrider9241]

I had the Dominar for 3 years. Riding at night was never an inconvenience. Those headlights were awesome.

[@PAPASAARmoto]

My fav show when on my way to office.

[@veeru_bro1620]

Big fan of your videos brother ❤

[@PAPASAARmoto]

@@veeru_bro1620 thanks bro ☺️

[@RipsawEV_2]

Immaculate taste Papa SAAR 🗿

[@aadityarajvansh8088]

Papa saar found in the wild 🤝

[@atharvspatil25]

I logged in for my work and started this video at the same time. Couldn't have asked for a better start😌

[@motorinc]

😅 On a Thursday? At least if it was a Friday, we can understand that @atharvspatil25

[@kaushikranade5561]

Great conversation, as always..👍🏻 I had an interesting experience during test rides. I went to two different showrooms for the test rides and I rode all three 400s. First, I went to a showroom where there is usual traffic, speedbumps and potholes, and I liked T4 considerably better than speed 400 and Scrambler due to it's low and mid range torque. I felt better on Scrambler than on Speed 400. So, Speed 400 was eliminated. Then I went to another showroom where there is not much traffic and roads are good without any bumps, and I felt the Scrambler slightly better and the confusion started. Then I went back to the first showroom and test rode T4 and Scrambler again, and T4 felt more at home and easy to ride in traffic. It is not far behind on empty roads at high speeds either. Surprisingly, I felt more vibrations on Scrambler than on T4 during the test ride. I am going with T4 for it's easy to ride, good low end torque and maneuverability. Sure, it doesn't turn heads on the roads, but I enjoyed T4 the most during my test rides. 🙂

[@motorinc]

Glad you figured out what worked best for you @kaushikranade5561! Congratulations, we hope you have a lot of fun!

[@treessmusic]

This might be my favourite episode ever despite not being too interested in the bike itself (now I am) Love how nerdy they get with the details. This is what enthusiasts’ review looks like. For the 100th time would love a CB350RS episode where y’all talk about this bike for 50mins which gives enough time to criticise Honda while also appreciating the CBs for what the offer. Honda nai degi test bike, kisi se borrow kar lo yaar

[@jehancharle]

same feeling man! 've been waiting for a 350rs review... not sure why they are not doing

[@jaideepsongare144]

Same here.. Waiting for CB350RS discussion..

[@JourneyOfLife2025]

@motorinc If you guys are listening - Please get similar video of CB350RS. Be it members only - its fine

[@treessmusic]

@@JourneyOfLife2025 CBs are THE MOST requested bike on the channel but I think they have some beef with Honda

[@jehancharle]

@@JourneyOfLife2025 na bro.. I wont watch if 'members only'.. they aren't experts or designers or engineers.....These 2 are clowns too dancing for money like any other youtuber at the end of the day.... I watch these guys coz I hate this faisal guy's shaky camera.. gives me head ache...

[@serenestrolls-d7b]

I love the way speed 400 looks. It might be small but it has good proportions. It is always noticed on the road. People have asked me which bike is that, how much it cost etc countless times.

[@abhigyanvyas6381]

Absolutely, I think it's just the right size, grabs a lot of attention from everyone!

[@devendudana2083]

Thank you for making this video public. 🙏🏻

[@motorinc]

Our pleasure!

[@mrabidmd]

I feel you're the only guys who are eligible to comment on the brands and give suggestions to them with your knowledge and experience. Guys you're the top-notch reviewers out there....am glad you guy's exsit... love you 👍👍

[@motorinc]

We appreciate the support @mrabidmd, thanks for being with us!😊

[@AtharvaS-k5j]

Just love how passionate these guys are!! That quality makes the viewers more intrested in channels videos

[@gervaislouisquadros5542]

When i test rode the speed 400 I loved it but still wished that was a bit more laid back. Then boom!! Triumph comes out with this. So calm and laid back but has the performance if needed. I think I have decided on who is gonna be the newest memeber of the family.

[@motorinc]

Sounds like a good fit @gervaislouisquadros5542, but we'd say still take a test ride and see if you like the T4 for what it is! And do let us know if you decide to go with one. 😊

[@krunalayar]

32:30 Inception of motorinc universe. Connecting different episode dots. 😂

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@nicodiaz627]

I have the Scrambler 400x and if they bring the T4 to my country I will buy one for sure. I congratulate the knowledge imparted here, bikes that focus on torque are my favorite for the city. I also think here in my country the chassis being sharper will be a big hit giving the bike a very sporty-retro character.

[@pratyushkishore9030]

Which country are you from?

[@sastasundarsafar6450]

I bought Apache RTR 200 4V after watching Shumi on power drift, never regretted it. He is really good at what he does.

[@motorinc]

Glad that you're having a good time @sastasundarsafar6450

[@ThunderApache]

34:46 Two features I miss the most after purchasing Speed 400, from my Apache 160 4V. 1. A proper usable headlight. 2. Road presence while riding in traffic. I mean it was a workout to ride that heavy clutch of Apache in traffic but people would give me way. Now the speed 400 is much nimble and have a light clutch but people won’t give me way😂.

[@alexmercer3001]

If you see Shumi so enthusiastic , then it really is a good bike. We all feel excited like Karthik about the bike. 110kmph cruising smoothly at 2.2L?. Am sold.😍

[@chiranjeetsantra28]

Really enjoyed shumi describing chassis as yay yay, he haha 😂

[@motorinc]

Well it is that eager @chiranjeetsantra28

[@logeshchandhar8366]

I’m so happy to see someone who has been in the automotive industry for a respectable period, to be still excited on knowing how things are engineered for the better! This is my key take away ❤Motorinc!

[@akshays8504]

Booked Speed T4 on 16/10/2024. bike looks very classy the power torqu next level in city to ride

[@RajkumarNehru]

How much is the on road cost ?

[@akshays8504]

@@RajkumarNehru i got it at 2.87 on road - Bangalore

[@VinayKGupta-yy5nx]

@@akshays8504 2 month ruk jaate price kum kar diya ab

[@mohakmankad689]

I was about to skip this video, but 8 mins in and this is pure lovely, and almost educational

[@siddharthapadhy]

This is what Shumi suggested RE did for Guerrilla. They need to shed a few bhps! Spot on! Thanks, MotorInc for the Mavrick review. Got mine yesterday coz it suited my style of riding.

[@motorinc]

Congratulations @siddharthapadhy! We wish lots of awesome rides on it...😊

[@suhasr76]

Congrats man. What other did you consider. Even I'm planning to get Mavrick.

[@nomadicinside]

Great content guys, I was so looking forward to see about Shumi's thoughts on this bike and I was pleasantly surprised, because I thought he were about to bash the bike left and right. Him speaking otherwise, was a pleasant surprise for me, so much so that it is forcing me to reconsider what I wrote about the bike in the end in TeamBHP(sharing it for reference here). I had the chance to ride all 3 bikes, back-to-back last weekend, and this is what I felt : "Scrambler 400X: Felt slightly intimidating (not as much as Himalayan 450), however the ergonomics were right in place and off we went. I will be honest here on the fact that I couldn't enjoy the bike much as this particular one was heavily abused and there were telltale signs of the same. However the suspension soaked in the imperfections with ease, the engine was tractable and nice, and the line of sight was clear. I felt the initial gears were quite short as compared to the Speed 400. All went will till I had to execute a U-turn, and I faced difficulty here and I believe this is owing to the very nature of the particular platform, so not exactly a deal breaker for a good many. I believe it might get better in a month or two into ownership, however initial impressions weren't very re-assuring. My pillion mused about the high seating position as well. Speed 400: I really liked this bike. Spot on ergonomics, nice, clean linear pull and quite sprightly, almost to the point where I felt the bike being slightly busy and pushy. May be years of riding a slow revving UCE engine had its effect on me that made me state the previous statement. It's not as pushy as say a KTM, but you will feel it at times, especially if you are coming from long strokes. My pillion was fine with the rear seat ergonomics as well, she couldn't find much to complain. Felt fine as long as I was making use of the low-mid range grunt to shift up and get onto likeable speeds, as revving the bike out also brought in vibes, which though not as bad as some old and new bikes out there will get to you at times. However, did I feel like I was riding a 40BHP bike? I guess not. Probably that's how the bike's designed, not to be snappy and unforgiving to first timers or to the level ups. Need to spend more time with the bike. Speed T4 : Now this one was interesting. Everything felt the same till you start riding. You can immediately feel the lazy, easy-going nature of the bike. You can also feel the higher inertia crank at work. It felt easier to get accustomed to, compared to the Speed 400, and the lack of 9BHP was never felt thanks to the torque wave coming in early. Which means you could easily cruise in lower rpm in higher gears, with fewer gear shifts, which means commuting will be a relaxed affair. I felt this to be a better proposition for those are looking out to buy, say a Hunter 350 or Meteor 350 for that matter. However, if I were to choose between the Speed and the T4, I would definitely go for the former considering the fantastic package that is, and the amount of goodies the latter loses for not so much of a price difference. And also, because power corrupts, and power corrupts absolutely😋."

[@motorinc]

Thank you for sharing your detailed experience @nomadicinside. Let us ask you this, if the T4 was cheaper by say, ₹15k, would that have made it a more compelling proposition for you?

[@nomadicinside]

@@motorinc You mean if it was cheaper by another 15k? I believe that will bring the price down to 1.9X-2.0X lakhs which echoes Shumi's thoughts on the pricing delta. Definitely yes, I would, in that case. A much better value proposition compared to the Hunter 350 or the Maverick or even the X440 for that matter.

[@avikpodder6267]

Hey, I think Shumi didn't test it enough. The video ended too soon😢. On a serious note - I think Bajaj has done it to give the NS400Z some headroom. Because if T4 came at 2.1 and NS400Z at 1.85 (if I am not too wrong), it would mean just 25k jump and with today's finance options, it won't be a big jump. It is just my POV though. Keep going guys. You are amazing.❤

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing your perspective Avik!

[@abhishekkaushik9728]

Thanks

[@motorinc]

Thank you @abhishekkaushik9728! We appreciate it...

[@sulaimanarizul8483]

I own a speed 400 and have to say that it suits my character the best, most of what you said about the t4, i felt it in the speed 400 too, but the thing is it also feels sportly at 5,000 rpm. i mostly won't cross 6,000 on the city and on highway i could ride it all day at 120-140... before my booking your vedio only made me question if the bike suits me and after like 1 year of owning it and riding it for 12,000 kms. it suits me the best, it doesn't have the triumphy pull on the 2-3k rpm but i love it cuz at 2-3k rpm it give mileage and above there is clear non stop pull till 6-7k rpm and there it feels so good to ride

[@hok3ge]

@@sulaimanarizul8483 what are your notes on vibrations over 6k rpm, compared to other single cylinders

[@sulaimanarizul8483]

​@@hok3ge I only pass 6k rpm when I want to drive extremely fast and at the point when you are in 3rd gear it might cross 80 kmph and at that speed and you will soon shift to 4, in between gap that vibe will not bother you... It will be slightly annoying if you stay in the top rpm for a long tym and that's not needed becuz the power kicks you jst at 3k-4k rpm

[@sulaimanarizul8483]

​@@hok3gealso it feels extremely refined if you compare it with the old dukes and even pulsers for that matter

[@shush-ant]

Im looking to get a bike around 3L and have researched and testridden all the possible alternatives. If you are in your 30s you are going to love the speed. Its very easy and has enough thump to make it fun. The problem with that bike is the engine refinement and 6k RPM mark. The bike doesnt like riding beyond 6k (100 at 5/6th). You could go to 150 (as i did on my test run) but u wouldn't want to. However if you ride aggresive and fast the duke 250 and cb300r are just marvelous. Im probably going yo get the duke 250. Avoid RTR like the plague and the guerilla is fine if you are kkay with heavier bike. ​@@hok3ge

[@harsha-vk8]

@@sulaimanarizul8483 Are you experiencing any heating issues while riding or in traffic?

[@mrinmoysarma145]

Finally, thanks guys for bringing this episode ❤

[@motorinc]

Thanks for your patience!

[@stinger7523]

I bought Scram 400x in april and man I love it for its quality, how the thing behaves. Haven’t got a single accessory installed as mentioned by Shumi as well, it just feels a complete, mature, well built and goes with my height as I am 6.2. An all rounder overall. Since I am not a fast rider and usually cruises at 80 so the vibration thing doesn’t bothers me.

[@motorinc]

Awesome @stinger7523! Glad to know that you're enjoying it.

[@mediocremedic8462]

I am 5.5...will I hav a problem with the seat height?

[@SudheerKiranBangalore]

@@mediocremedic8462 I’m 5.4. I’m loving the Scrambler 400x. Initially I was little uncomfortable but after a couple weeks I got used to it. We just need to practice to keep one leg down when we stop the bike. Other than that, I enjoy riding the bike for its quality and engine performance

[@jayashankar872]

Yes ​@@SudheerKiranBangalore

[@stinger7523]

@mediocremedic8462 I don’t think so, initially you might face some but you will eventually learn it

[@saihariesh9532]

Wonderful video! I have always thought that the Speed 400 looks like an indecisive retro-ish motorcycle. I love the T4's fit and finish but of course, the extra power matters., to me at the very least. I would still love to test-ride the T4. Our family purchased the 400x as my first motorcycle at 19/20 years old. I'm very happy to own this vehicle and I have been making a lot of sweet memories all while logging in the satisfaction of hearing Shumi and Karthik share the praise I have for it as well ;) Came for the T4 impressions and left an even happier member of the Scrambler 400 X FC

[@gauthampr3799]

As per the salesperson, the exhausts of t4 and my25 are black coated because some customers have reported rainbow colors appearing on the older model exhausts

[@motorinc]

Thanks for letting us know!

[@abhig61]

I can confirm that the exhaust of most Speed 400s I have seen, including my own had this issue. The area where the exhaust connects to the engine started to show rainbow colouring, then it turned dark grey. (Cannot confirm if this is why they changed it)

[@AmalDevYT]

Cost cutting. Now it looks like activa exhaust

[@iamjkjay]

​@@abhig61 Because they choose SS for exhaust.. The SS have the character to go rainbow when it heats up but as it starts to cool down it becomes black.. only pure titanium retains the rainbow shade.

[@dTm259]

Yes many are complaining on the discoloration of the ss pipe. They don't get it that it adds character 😁 part of the look. But they are a pain to clean.

[@dushyantk95]

7:15 this is possibly my favorite part of the video. I love seeing people who are excited to learn new things! I can feel you through the screen lol.

[@motorinc]

🤜🤛😁

[@keerthankumar3817]

33:31, exactly shumi. My complaint about scrambler 400x is the headlight. Its nightmare for the nightriding.

[@Opiniated]

Brooohhhh… I dont even want a bike… But i am listening to all the mechanics and engineering changes in a 40 min bike video.. and the video is made and produced in india… What a time to be alive … ❤❤

[@MedicOnAMotorcycle]

Get the engine and gearing of the T4, the chassis and suspension of speed 400, seat of the 400x and call it the Bonneville T4. If you ride the speed 900 vs the bonnie t100, the Speed T4 is absolutely perfectly aligning with the bonnie and that's what it should be called. The speed in the triumph speed 400 made little sense and in the speed T4 makes absolutely zero sense.

[@motorinc]

What an idea, Doc!

[@AdityaSharma-xr7zv]

Happy to see MotorInc channel growing ❤️

[@motorinc]

Thank you for being with us @AdityaSharma-xr7zv!

[@satvicyogi]

Makes me wonder what RE Classic would have felt with this kind of engine.

[@vigneshr8436]

Love you guys discussing machines and emotions alongside each other. The studio and your outfits well compliment the calm, purpose filled and enjoyable conversation :)

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @vigneshr8436

[@ashwinprakas606]

You can't swap pads between axially mounted and radially mounted calipers, the pad templates are different. What you could do is get Sintered Pads for the P220/NS200/NS400z etc, for the Speed T4.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for letting us know!

[@rajatsingh5714]

The sheer joy and enthusiasm with which these guys talk about motorcycles is why I love listening them. First time I'm hearing T4 being the better experience than speed 400. Also very glad I bought the scrambler 2 months back. Shumi is sugesting to pump up the prices 😏

[@abhig61]

Haha, I can relate with it when Shumi says that Speed 400 owners will be mad at him. I have one, and it feels pretty bad when he says that its the worst of the Triumph 400s. But that is why I watch Spark, to remember that my Speed 400 is the best motorcycle is the world.

[@motorinc]

Indeed @abhig61! And to be clear, the Speed 400 is the third best of these three Triumphs. It still puts it well above the other options, if you ask us.

[@abhig61]

​@@motorinc Thanks a lot. I've been riding it for around 10 months and I love it. At the same time I understand and agree with your review. When I rev the engine past 7000, I really dislike the noise it makes. I can live with the vibrations, but the noise makes me feel like I'm disturbing an entire neighborhood. PS: Earplugs have helped alleviate this issue to an extent.

[@ManishMishra-ip8jj]

Listening to the full conversation is as good as listening to the MOKSH talk regarding the 400 series of Triumph......Truly cleared all the doubts

[@rahulchandru3663]

35:00 Even the RR310 has impressive headlights as shumi mentioned .When I use the pass button while overtaking, some cars and trucks ahead mistakenly think I’m a car and move aside at first😄.

[@Coolabhinavsingh9]

I'm not a bike guy and neither do I own one but listening to you two discuss bikes make me want to buy one

[@motorinc]

Thanks @Coolabhinavsingh9! If you have a need for one, why not? 😅

[@swapnilbarhate6229]

I have 400x. The only problem i have with this bike is the accelerator is too sensitive. The moment you turn the accelerator the bike just jumps ahead. Is there any way to pipe down the over enthusiasm?

[@AmalDevYT]

You'll get used to it as throttle cable gets loose and you'll get used to it. A light throttle is a blessing

[@swapnilbarhate6229]

@@AmalDevYT cool. Thanks

[@rahulkota1]

Wow the discussions between Shumi and Karthik are so engaging and damn the excitement on the technical changes yet rooted in discussing the flaws… no one can discuss cars and bikes better than you both 🙌

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @rahulkota1

[@dr.sainathpednekarssg3325]

The one thing that keeps me off from the triumph 400s, is that they just do not have the road presence… they don’t necessarily look small, but they don’t give the big bike feel I just love the scrambler 400x but then the size keeps me from getting one P.S. this comment was added at the start of the video. Turns out the greats agree with me aahh 😎

[@anmolkale16]

Bro, ask yourself the question that why do you wanna get a bike? Do you want it to ride and enjoy the machine or you want it to show off how big it is 😂

[@animealpha4795]

@@anmolkale16I swear! Bro’s got absolutely messed up priorities.

[@ritwickdas4107]

I think the bike that's best for you is one that has minimum 18 wheels. Insane road presence

[@sidm7705]

Well, my perspective is that this is not supposed to be a big bike. Big bikes are litre class machines. 650-950 would be middle wts. 100-500 odd would be small displacement bikes. It fulfills the purpose that is made for. From a road presence perspective, classic 350 will be better. Go for the bike that appeals to you. Good thing is that there are plenty of choices across the displacement, type, brand range. 👍🏻

[@dr.sainathpednekarssg3325]

22:00 to 24:09 Riding the bike is also about an experience. I enjoy riding a splendor and also the Himalayan. Everyone has their personal preference. Just in this case, this particular problem, and it does put a lot of people off, is also discussed by Shumi above ✌️

[@ripster36]

25:03 Absolutely ageee with that ! Scrambler 400X is undoubtedly the best bike you can buy. Its an all-rounder. You can easily live with that for the next 10-15 years.

[@rhitamdutta1996]

Actually about the Speed, a lot of people including myself preferred it because of the smaller size as it was "less intimidating". I had bought it because it was my first bike and I hadn't ridden a bike before, but my friends are short and felt uncomfortable with the height of the Scrambler. Average Indian height is still short and I believe Speed sales are higher than the Scrambler because of that.

[@alokkothiyal9845]

same scenario with me...bought speed as i am 5'6'' & overall speed seems to be much better option as first bike

[@IshaanAFK]

What a great start to the day. You guys are awesome!

[@viralengine908]

It feels like so many problems could have been avoided if triumph had gone with a bigger, heavier, more premium twin cylinder experience in the 500cc range. You could have had a traditional classic styled motorcycle, which is clearly what the market wants. It would have been a natural extension of Triumph's existing classic model line up that everyone dreams of owning, and the engine character would have been more to everyone's liking. More premium twin cylinder would also have taken them away from the more crowded part of the market where the 400 is getting lost right now. And they could have had an easier job positioning it as an alternative to the RE650s. They were still in an early phase of development when those came out too!

[@motorinc]

It would've been an in-between situation for Triumph in that case @viralengine908, apart from being one of the only ones that offer that class of engine, we don't see what the advantage is. It would've been a similar problem that the current 250s are facing. They're too close to the 400's price and not that much of an upgrade from the 160's. The 400 makes them more of an immediate consideration.

[@shreyanshbahirshet]

I think the reason they didn't go for 500 is the sheer number of 350s sold today. That's a huge chunk of the Indian market when compared to the small number of 650s sold.

[@shreyanshbahirshet]

I'd say that there's no debate 😂, they are far away from RE. Only Classic sales are way more than the entire Triumph lineup.

[@viralengine908]

@@shreyanshbahirshet they were never going to catch RE, the question was does their product have an immediate and distinct appeal.

[@viralengine908]

@@motorinc I'm not suggesting a 1:1 analogue to the RE 650s. Triumph could have gone with liquid cooling to match the power output of the REs. They already do fake air cooling fins and carburetor covers on the existing classic lineup. They could have gone a bit lighter, with nicer paint jobs, a dash that was a bit more premium. That tail they have on the current larger speed line-up is also very sexy, they could have carried that over. Now obviously, that end of the market is smaller but it's also less saturated and has more discerning buyers. Not to mention a true Triumph classic twin has stronger appeal.

[@siwach0027]

My mechanical engg classes should include such discussions… learnt a lot … outstanding 🥰

[@sarathchandrarepaka9595]

Dear Shumi and Karthik I would like to know your take on omitting the traction control . Given a chance and choice to select maverick or speed T4 for the next 5 years which one will you keep I would like to know your take on this

[@maverich22]

This is the most informative and best version of your knowledge and expertise brothers more such intense comparision rather than marketing flash throughs into companies strategy.😊

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @maverich22

[@sidkataki7626]

Can anybody explain why don’t we get iconic motorcycles anymore? In the 90s motorcycles such as the CBZ, Pulsar, Karizma opened up new vistas in the market. Nowadays, it seems all that every manufacturer wants to do is come up with a retro bike to compete against RE. Kinda sad, isn’t it?

[@motorinc]

Time decides if a motorcycle will become iconic @sidkataki7626, and we aren't far enough into the future to know which current ones will become iconic.

[@ishanbapat1256]

So well laid out, clear points and needs! Looking forward to first impressions on the Daytona 660!

[@PallaD-ian]

T4 is great but I was looking forward for Tiger 400 or cafe racer 400 that looks something like Thruxton or Continental GT. My worry is if Triumph as a brand is targeting more budget oriented customers for better sales than introducing a different product at that price range.

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@NikhilKumarM]

Cry harder. Maybe you need to upgrade your riding skills instead of appealing to the manufacturer that they only cater to "non- budget" buyers.

[@harshpandya1602]

It has been great seeing karthik explain stuff and keeping it short and sweet👍 Waiting for them to drop a video on scrambler 400x

[@capricenishant]

I went to work today morning keeping this video in my playlist. The whole time working my mind was on this video. I enjoy their videos too much. One question.. Are you suggesting to change both the break pads in scrambler 400x or only the front one. Thank you for making my bike rides fun. 😊 .

[@arunklenin1405]

love for scrambler 400x, absolutely amazing machine! The only issue is the headlight, I was traveling in hills after sunset and I could see absolutely nothing. I had to rely on other vehicle's lighting, some scooter, to safely reach my destination.

[@ANIK5261]

Yea headlight is very poor ;(

[@Ape_chail]

Hey So the Speed T4 and the Vitpillen 250 are both 30bhp motorcycles, relatively chill ( according to Shumi) and cost almost exactly the same on road. Even the styling, modern retro and white paint job are similar. Since test rides are very difficult to come by for both these bikes right now ( will not buy without one) is there a clear recommendation bw these two? For a first bike that is a bit of an all-rounder.

[@mehranshyourcoolbro6417]

It's so peaceful to listen to you guys ...

[@motorinc]

Thank you @mehranshyourcoolbro6417

[@bhargavasai7491]

Come on Guys, I appreciate your work and a big fan too but please please try to step out of the 350-650 segment. Once in a while drop a video about 900's or 1200's. Getting bored of this segment.

[@AmalDevYT]

No we aren't bored

[@snehasishdev3296]

A. 900,1200 is relevant for very small section of Audience. B. Big bikes aren't very easy to get for trial by any media house unless you are very big like PD,MB,ZW etc

[@ABVS.]

Most Indians drive in under 300cc segment, least number drive in 900 or above seg...its 300-600 cc segment which is a balance, for daily city rides as well as highways, aspirational yet comforting. That's the sweet spot

[@snehasishdev3296]

@@subhasisrout7881 motobeam

[@bhargavasai7491]

Hey fellas, I understand that majority are 350-650 users (incl. me). But as there are also users who’re aspiring to upgrade. So, it would be great if @motorinc can make that content available to make a purchase decision @snehasishdev3296 completely agree with you… getting a trial bike is next to impossible in heavyweight segment

[@Abhisek_03]

Just by the thumbnail I could see what's in the conversation, and I was spot on. And I strongly agree with the price delta, the premium -ness of the speed 400 always attracts more consumers and now with newer colors and extra features (compared to T4) having a price gap of 23k feels nothing. But again it's Bajaj if they down the price it will chew down it's own products (ns 400z). Anyways great information as always. Btw I have a video demand (which I think will be useful for all the viewers) although it's very present in the internet but still Can you do a dedicated video on riding gears? Like telling us what are the factors we should take under consideration while buying one. What are the various safety standards prevalent throughout the globe. Most importantly, how does ones lifestyle effect ones decision for choosing specific type of gears. It might be a small playlist or a single video THE END

[@sreejitnair7647]

Woke up, opened KZbin, went to MotorInc and watched another great episode. Basically breakfast is served. Hope we will see them discussing about the new Apache rr310.

[@kurroth]

I enjoyed this video, because it is fun to watch you two guys (especially) Shumi get this excited about a bike! I am tempted to try the T4 now!

[@psdeepak321]

With a podcast like this, I become an expert in the motorbike segment. Thanks.

[@motorinc]

🤜🤛

[@AMofTevyat]

Love this, absolutely love this! Taking my bike next week but I clicked on this video purely for the conversation and subtle knowledge you guys impart. Please keep this up!

[@motorinc]

Glad you enjoyed it @AMofTevyat! Congratulations on the purchase, we wish you lots of fun times with it 😊

[@AMofTevyat]

@@motorinc Thank youu!!!!

[@yeaa_laksh]

man the intro is just too good ngl, best one ive seen in a while

[@NikhilNaik-n4g]

Man bright headlight should be included in bike norms

[@iamsidd_j]

I loved the FOMO advice by Baba Shumi amazing 🤩

[@motorinc]

😁

[@eshaanmehta2429]

Maybe a Bonneville with a t4 engine will be the best classic retro in the 400 cc class with it's rich fit and finish and a sweet engine that makes it feel like a true blue little triumph.

[@motorinc]

That would be cool!

[@mantasticsiddharth4936]

Triumph heard shumi & brought December offer for the T4 with a even tempting exshw of 1.99L. Now this torque monster feels vfm, i took a test ride & was blown away by the effortless riding thanks to the low end torque, it almost feels like a diesel😂 will be stealing one definitely at this price 😎 impressed with the city ride capabilities 🫡

[@motorinc]

Glad to know you're enjoying this @mantasticsiddharth4936! Congratulations... We wish you lots of good times on it.

[@1in8]

I was just thinking of w175 "BULB" and Shumi just said it.. Great work..!

[@motorinc]

That was a joke @1in8 😅

[@prnv7]

I was honestly confused about the positioning of T4. I thought this was the Bajajification of Triumph and maybe they were now focusing on launching more parts bin products. But this is a whole new outlook. Great conversation. Thanks keep up the good work. Hats off to shumi as well.❤

[@amoghavarshamurthy]

Truly informative video. Watching these videos trains our mind to also start thinking analytically / objectively about cars and bikes and makes us better moto enthusiasts! Loved it!

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @amoghavarshamurthy

[@darsanverse]

I own a speed 400. And ridden about 15000 km. But never felt any issues. Other than vibration above 120. But i do understand in the sense of comparing there’s a lot more better machines.

[@shush-ant]

Dont take it the wrong way darsan! See shumi is an enthusiast and does reviews for a living. He lives and breathes motocyles. Speed is fantastic machine if you need a bike that works , feels premium, and you ride like an avg person. Im personally looking at a 3L bike and ill be choosing the duke 250 (yes the lower CC one) over the speed because i ride aggressive and speed just doesnt feel good past 90. The vibrations kick in at 6k and the engine makes loads of noises. It feels like a commuter at that point.

[@praveenranjan1557]

I just rode all 3 models today and the t4 definitely filled more smooth while revving.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing @praveenranjan1557!

[@bandradroneclub6031]

I picked up this bike on the 12th from Shaman Motors at Jogeshwari, Mumbai. Just 50 meters away from the showroom the bike stalled. By the time I went home it kept on stalling when down shifting and at very low speeds. I had my 10yr old daughter with me and both of us were very unconfortable and scared because of an accident taking place. Went to Goregaon workshop of Triumph on the 14th and they did an upgrade and was given to me. The problem stayed besides a new problem the engine was racing and becoming so hot. The full tank on the 12th became empty same day. Today, 17th the problem is still there and hopefully this coming Saturday I will take it back to get this issue rectified.

[@bandradroneclub6031]

21st Oct. I took it back to the service center and they updated the software again and asked me to take it for a test ride. It stalled again. I then took the service engineer for a test ride and it did not stall then. But when I explained that on low gears like 2nd and 3rd the bike stalled. So he gave me to understand that when stuck in traffic the bike should be on 1st gear at all times from 0 to 20/30 kms and the bike will not stall. I did that and the bike did not stall though the engine was feeling uncomfortably hot. Now lets see in a few days how it fairs.

[@vivekv2596]

​@@bandradroneclub6031I faced it during the test drive. When I try to pick the bike from second gear it initially appears happy to move and then it suddenly stalls. But not a big problem since it never stalls on first gear. Also I felt stronger engine breaking while deceleration may be due to its high torque nature.

[@user-wj5lw1rn5p]

Good first impressions!! This one was very engaging 👌👌

[@motorinc]

Glad you enjoyed it @user-wj5lw1rn5p!

[@shubhamsidharth007]

I knew from the moment when t4 was announced that this will be more smother because high torque low power always helps in cruising better.

[@gabbarbanna]

.... I've got a Scrambler 400X - 10k Kms on it so far. I've put on a 15T front sprocket, and I've noticed that the sweet spot of around 100-105km/h that Shumi described for the Speed 400 is actually a lot SMOOTHER here on my 400X, possibly due to three reasons- the sprocket, the Taller suspension, and Bigger wheels. I also went ahead and put on a pair of proper Steel Knuckle guards. Those have put on some mass on the handlebar, reducing the frequency of vibrations. Now some may argue that the change in sprocket would change the low-speed tractability of the 400X on Tough terrain with some weight onboard. Well I tried it, and Im happy to share that it doesn't! The engine has got a lot of low end torque to manage the taller gearing. The best part for me though has been the transformation of this scrambler into a highway mile muncher, with a little better fuel economy as well! In the future, I'd get a custom ECU tune which would fix the overtly lean air fuel ratio this bike runs on (especially after I had a DNA Hi- Performance Air filter installed in it.) I came to know this when i changed the spark plug and it was Greyish white. Ive replaced it with an NGK Iridium unit. I had a question for Shumi on the T4 - If we change the front tyre to an 19- inch wheel, do you think it will solve the discrepancy in the character of the motorcycle you mentioned (being too- flickable)?? Because As we know the Classic has a 19inch front and an 18 inch rear tyre??

[@drgreatsmiles]

I have a speed 400. what the serial number of the compatible NGK Iridium unit

[@gabbarbanna]

@@drgreatsmilesBrand- NGK Spark plug- LKAR8AI-9 Gap- 0.9mm Price- 470/-

[@vishnujayakrishnan-vj5646]

Nice mod putting the 15T front sprocket 👍🏼 Couple of questions regarding this : 1. Which 15T sprocket did you install ? 2. How is the low-end tractability and in-gear acceleration.. is it still snappy ?

[@gabbarbanna]

@@vishnujayakrishnan-vj5646 Thanks! My local trusty mechanic did the swap. Apparently the bike shares a lot of parts with the dominar and the KTM series. The sprocket was from one of those bikes. It was cheap- 350/- Rupees. See the 1st gear was useless for my terrain (Living in Rajasthan), and I'm an avid trail rider, and I've not faced any loss of tractability. Although I'm not one to rip it on city streets and highways, so I can't test your question on the road, although theoretically a 13 kg Lighter bike's Gearing with the same engine will definitely not yield the same acceleration.

[@shush-ant]

You are spot on wih the bigger wheel arguments. I dont think the heometry would translate as fluidly but in theory yes. Bigger wheels. More inertia and thus harder to flick. The honda cb350s are incredibly stable and all sre 19s at the front

[@fullstarlaming7937]

Motorinc's review is always top notch

[@adityakambli6495]

13:00. Here the experience speaking. What a great sense of testing motorcycles

[@batmans6718]

Maintenance also plays crucial role. Even though triumph claims the service cost is same for triumph speed 400 and t4. Any damage to USD folks makes to spend more than traditional telescopic suspension. Any failure of transaction control or ride by wire failure in future results same to pay more. In that way T4 is better and cheap if its available in after market.

[@motorinc]

But the failure rate of USD forks can be avoided with simple fork seal covers @batmans6718 you'd really have to ignore it for you to have big issues with it. So, this is technically a problem but not something a lot will suffer from.

[@gunsNwings]

Thanks to both of u.I am glad I made the best choice of choosing the scrambler 400x..it does it all which i missed on my cbr 250r. I does it all, highway, city and offroad that I am ok to do without bashing the bike. And for my riding within 1000kms and keeping speeds around 60 its giving me 35kmpl.

[@thetechnogod6162]

Never forget when both of you raced the CB350 RS and the meteor. The coolest part was when Kartik did a wheelie off the start. Seeing the both of you has always been fun.😂🎉

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @thetechnogod6162

[@SezerPAL]

This guys are awesome, purchased Scrambler 400x today, thanks for quality content.

[@motorinc]

Congratulations @SezerPAL, thanks for sharing it with us. We wish you lots of awesome rides on it...

[@SezerPAL]

@@motorinc Thanks and greeting from Istanbul

[@DeepakPatil-yd1rr]

I had tried Triumph and RE's back to back.... RE's just start feels natural when you ride it. Not much adjustments needed But for triumph i don't feel the same way. Feels like we need to use it for multiple days to get familiar with

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing @DeepakPatil-yd1rr, what bike do you currently own?

[@DeepakPatil-yd1rr]

@@motorinc i switched to hunter recently. Previously 411 ... And pulsers

[@VishnuVck]

Thank You so much this is surprising never expected Triumph to come with something like this .. everyone thought it was just a cosmetic change but it's not thanking show me for bringing up the difference clearly and full marks for karthikeya for the summary Thank you so much ❤

[@nikunjkavadia]

I have test ride both and finally selected the t4

[@motorinc]

Congratulations @nikunjkavadia! Thanks for sharing with us.

[@AdvanceStarter]

Your reviews are so good simply because you talk about the things that really matter in day to day usage. It's funny how nobody does these simple things, just like nobody makes good headlamps.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @AdvanceStarter

[@ratandeep007]

Would love to see some videos of you guys riding the bike... and showing the finer details not just talking about it.. lot to ask but i enjoy your content

[@yusufkacchi9012]

I think the chasis flexibility is essential for traffic conditions in Mumbai and Bangalore. Yes, some feel is lost but the ease of riding it after work compensates for it.

[@siddhartharoy8834]

I can still vouch for Dominar 400s Headlight... Still the brightest of the lot... Hardly need an accessory lamp... And yes FOMO is an instant phenomenon in every aspect of our lives😂