MotorWeek | Retro Review: '89 Eagle Talon TSI

[@jess4metoo]

I bought a Talon brand new in 93. Still have it today. Best car I've ever owned. She was unbelievable in her day, would go through corners like she was on rails, and pull away effortlessly.

[@chriscon8463]

I always loved this car, man! Do you still have yours to this day?

[@jess4metoo]

@@chriscon8463 Yeah I do! Still running, had an engine swap done.

[@chriscon8463]

@@jess4metoo that’s great!

[@nowiecoche]

@@jess4metoo Second life all the way!

[@TheMICMusicInspirationChannel]

I liked it a lot better than Eagle's less-popular model, the _Beak._

[@gustinn3509]

I bought a brand New Eagle Talon TSI AWD in 1989 when I was 20 years old... cost me around $13,000.... Man I loved that car. I used to race it all the time down Gratiot Avenue in Detroit. I only raced zero to the speed limit as the bigger engines would have easily beaten me from a rolling race. The only "normal" cars I remember losing to were Grand Nationals, a few slightly modded Monte Carlo SS's, a few Vettes and one Formula 350 converted into a manual. Manuals were actually faster cars than Autos back then, and MUCH preferred.... The Eagle Talon I bought was a special model. It was a one-of-a-kind signature black and Gold SCCA pace car... it was awesome and very quick for the time... I beat that car to the ground during races, we went so hard people used to light cigarettes off my red hot brake rotors... I wish I still had it, all that's left are a few faded polaroids and stories nobody cares about... sigh...

[@Cheezwizzz]

We care!!! Thanks for sharing

[@TheMrmagic101]

That thing would be worth like 50k rn

[@KrisThatsit]

The cigarettes on the rotors is funny, I've seen that before surprisingly

[@goodbonezz1289]

I care…I care

[@robertc5200]

I had an 85 Monte SS. I remember getting dusted by an Eclipse one night. I felt like the Chinese guys in Better off Dead when Lane Meyer finally got his Camaro on the road.

[@Erix7810]

They nailed the styling with this car. Timeless.

[@vallejodroning9578]

rear end looks like ass. and not the good kind more like the ass of a meth head outside a motel 6

[@slacadjuster237]

I had a turbo laser. A 91, back in 92....Man, that little 4 cylinder ripped shit up. Some serious go power.

[@batsonelectronics]

me too. Turquoise Blue. I loved that car. My boss had the non turbo version, I got the turbo, 25K miles on it. The torque steer was horrible but it could do a great burnout.

[@severinlourenco8355]

My first new car, 1990 Eagle Talon TSI AWD Black, loved it for 5 years, with no issues, except replacing tires, till I married and had to get a family vehicle. Still miss my Talon.

[@kylethestyle]

Does anyone else go immediately to Craigslist after watching one of these videos?

[@TheArmedassailant]

I keep it open in next tab!

[@ChuddleBuggy]

+kylethestyle a big LOL to that one.

[@VoltLover00]

Its pretty much impossible to find a Talon that isn't completely ratted out now. A shame, the TSI AWD was a great little car

[@blackrat1228]

spot on

[@dzroc]

kylethestyle yes! lol I thought it was just me

[@sjschreier]

Damn I want this car. I work as an auto tech for a living and I love the late 80s and early 90s cars that come in, especially the imports. They were the perfect mix of relatively modern tech, good reliability and good performance. They also just had this "feel" to them that no modern car has.

[@mixanderfigueroa3999]

Same, if I could find one that hasn’t been driven to death and modified beyond recognition I’d buy it in two seconds

[@BSAElectronics702]

God Mitsubishi, what the HELL happened to you, the Conquest is gone the AWD turbo DSMs, the 3000GT VR4 and turbo beast gone, and the final nail in the coffin the Lancer EVO canceled. Mits only makes grocery getters now..so pathatic.

[@AightBro123]

civicturbo2009 ikr

[@mrdaykurutakuchannel]

True now mitsu lacks enthusiastic rides. The new eclipse cross definitely wont cut it.

[@omartinoco9930]

This car was over 16k sticker price when new. That's what happened. Honda focuses only on making engines whereas Mitsu focuses on making electrical generators and air conditioners

[@RobertoSalvatti]

The mentality of the people changed, that's what happened, now all the idiots drive SUVs and Vans.

[@rodmunch69]

Millennials are the most boring generation yet, and that's what they want, boring minivans that are safe.

[@ericfresh]

I wanted this car so bad back in the day

[@Trance88]

Definitely a fantastic looking car and still has pretty modern looking styling for something designed in the late 80's.

[@andymilic4093]

I thought the next generation 🦜 Ms had a fairly futuristic look to them also,still look current today when I see the few that are left on the road

[@andy993]

Dude this is awesome. When I was a kid my dad worked at a Jeep/Eagle dealership and brought home a red Talon tsi AWD 5 speed. The acceleration in that car and the feeling you get in your stomach from it absolutely blew me away. Made me want to go to school and become something so I could afford my own sports cars. So now my brother and I are both doctors and we own/owned many Porsches, BMW's, Mercs, a Ferrari 360, a Viper SRT-10, Bentley GT, R35 GTR, plus many other cars all because of that Talon experience.

[@mulletsquirrel]

So glad you became doctors so you could buy cool cars instead of helping people.

[@McRocket]

I grew up to be a doctor as well....a doctor of looooove. Especially at night...in bed... ....when I am asleep and I dream.

[@2vortec]

Darrek Olson Go be poor somewhere else.

[@McRocket]

He is also a braggart. Bragging is not cool. It ain't awful - but it ain't cool, either.

[@adamdvorak522]

Yes!!! This is why the wife drives a g35x and I a eco boost f150 tuned up !! We all start with a dream and goals!

[@jeffjackson9483]

My buddy in high school in the late 80’s had one of these bad boys!! 🔥🔥

[@OutlawFarmersRC]

This car when I was a teenager a real street fighter with the many, many upgrades that can be done.

[@TheMattc999]

It's 3:30am and I really need to stop watching these retro-reviews. I should have been in bed hours ago.....

[@jameswalsh6131]

Wow never realized what a great technical car this was. Great looking out and in as well. But was way out of my price range. Great job MW!

[@arthurmroyce]

My short list in late 1990 was a red loaded Eagle Talon TSi and a red Stealth R/T NA. I went with the Stealth R/T. I was afraid of the turbo longevity, but it was ball during the test drives. I now have a red Gen Coupe turbo and I must say I like the feel as the turbo spools up. Some kids never grow up.

[@landyachtfan79]

Wanted one then, STILL want one now!!!!!

[@sevantookmanian]

When Mitsu designed the 3g and 4g they were on crack. Love my 1g.

[@jaygrimsley]

I agree with you my man. Sitting in my 90 talon when a 3g or 4g pulls up next to me it's like are you mad bro lol. Putting sohc quit making the turbo model well there might be a turbo 3g I could be wrong. But switching to the 420a was a huge mistake

[@markzuckerbergette6185]

+Jacob Grimsley my 1g has a 420a tho

[@jaygrimsley]

+Nick Salling didn't come that way tho. someone or yourself did that swap

[@markzuckerbergette6185]

+Jacob Grimsley ahh i see, my bad mine has a 4g37

[@sevantookmanian]

Nick Salling I started with a 4g37. First vehicle I ever purchased. Be patient, you'll have a 4g63 someday =]

[@imtheman3039]

I have a 91 talon tsi that looks just like this one plus a sunroof and it still runs today I will never get rid of it!

[@mavicmaltarc]

I've always wanted that car and still do. I was 14 when it came out and now over 30 years later still love it!

[@ThomasFerrugia]

This was my very first car. White with white rims and a light gray interior. I had so much fun with that thing . . . but can attest that brake fade was HUGE after just a bit of spirited driving and the power-steering rack had a hard time keeping up with repeated quick turns, so the wheel would get light, heavy, light, heavy, during rapid esses. But, overall, it served me well for almost TEN years.

[@mitsubishikid1187]

I installed the popular front 2 piston big brake upgrade on my "90 talon, they can be sourced from the non turbo mitsu 3000gt/non turbo dodge stealth models, as well as the mitsu diamante, and some later "93-"94 talons/eclipses/lasers actually from the factory used the bigger 2 piston brake setup [on the awd models only], it was a great upgrade for the money with noticeable gains in stopping power for my early 90 car, they do still fade a small amount but it's a lot better then the single piston units and stopping power is greatly improved with them.

[@VengerDFW]

Same here, the white on white Talon was amazing looking. Took it apart to replace all the speakers and run a huge power cable to the trunk for a 4 x 10" woofer box. Had it until the family grew too large to seat everyone. Really miss that car. Got a black one later, but my heart was always with the first one. I still have a permanent eBay search, just in case a white on white Talon in decent shape ever comes available...

[@lorenhusky2717]

I love these cars so much. They really represent what the 80s-90s was all about from an automotive perspective. Popups, wedge shape, turbo 4cyl w/ manual trans, 3 door hatch. I wish I had been old enough to buy one brand new but the 1G was on it's first model year when I was born. :(

[@McRocket]

What a great little car. Must of been a nice seller to young, single/childless couples. Other then the lower gas mileage, looks like it was a winner.

[@rogerphilabaum4563]

McRocket I see anything over 20 miles per gallon as fuel efficient! lol

[@VTCharley13]

I averaged about 24-26 in mixed driving, it wasn’t the worst.

[@ITRIEDEL]

I miss my Talon :,) So many V8 egos wasted lol

[@miltonamaya9764]

Still ugly junk

[@batsonelectronics]

in 1998 I bought a brand new off the truck 1998 Formula V8 with 305HP and Auto. It ran a 14.1 in the 1/4. My second go around I got beat by an AWD Talon with some boost mods. He ran a 13.9 I think it was ( almost 2 car length ahead of me ) The announcer thought my car was a new Vette and he said the Talon just beat a Vette. My 95 Vette ( auto) ran a 13.8 completely stock, so glad I didn't race it.

[@Deus_wukong1468]

@@miltonamaya9764 id rather have this car first than a Porsche (even if the 918 spyder is one of my dream cars) especially since these cars are starting to get rare to find. In the future it will be worth restoring my fathers talon so i can use it.

[@gdevonfarley]

I miss my 92 Talon, I used to kick ass with it. One of the easiest cars to make run 12s in a quarter mile.

[@Arn560]

I remember that little red car!

[@ufarkingicehole]

Devon Farley how did you get it in the 12s

[@av8rbri473]

Devon Farley never lost to a mustang with mine. they always hated that

[@negativeindustrial]

Celica Turbo was the same way. I love the look of astonishment people would get when they see what it could beat.

[@orestislaskos7343]

Devon what happened to it

[@Acc0rd79]

This is some seriously good numbers, especially for '89!! I cant believe Mitsu has lost its way big time since these cars were made. The 90s just had some amazing cars, 2000s were dull boxes on wheels. I'm glad to see some companies trying to bring those days back, but its just not the same.

[@ATLOffroad]

Ha ha. He said, "The future for Eagle and the Chrysler/Mitsubishi looks bright."

[@Arayig1982]

It did, it's short future was very bright, but typically for Chrysler/Mitsubishi, did not go past the '90s.

[@kylemas2005]

Mitsubishi is making a nice little comeback, its sales are triple what they themselves projected.

[@RallyLancer95]

They didn't go the way of Suzuki yet so they must be doing something right

[@kylemas2005]

@@RallyLancer95 Suzuki is rumored to be coming back! Itd be cool to test drive their new 4wd Jimny.

[@TheMattc999]

magnuscat I actually kind of want one of those little Jimnys.....yeah, I admit it. My buddy had a samurai back in the day, and that little fucker would go through anything (except the speed limit on the highway 🤣).

[@joestrangerearranged]

My brother in law had one of these in white back in the early 90s and sometimes let my 14-15 year old self drive it to the store or a friends house. Man what a cool looking car felt solid and tight the interior looked really cool at night.

[@Mrjrainey]

Hands down, the most attractive of this line. Would look good on a lot today.

[@stevethomas760]

Going for a walk in the neighborhood and came across the GSX (10/23). As a former Eagle Talon TSi owner it brought back some good memories. Loved that car, some good memories. The Talon definitely had some pep in its step.

[@turbofreakdotcom]

Damn! I just spent $18K for my base 2016 Ford Focus! Man... should have waited for the TSI.....

[@jakey20022]

How's your electronically controlled manual transmission treating you ?!?! That engineer that designed that needs to be forced to drive one tell then end of time.

[@turbofreakdotcom]

@@jakey20022 I already knew about the issue so I bought the only manual on the lot.

[@MoparMarc426]

These Awd Eagle Talon TSI cars were amazing. Lots of power and great handling

[@thatguyinthatoneshow]

The 0-60 was so fast, it absorbed all the photons in the universe for a few seconds, that's what that blue color was

[@acepilotson3331]

Had this car. A 91. Had it in 97-99. Loved it. Interior is still one of my favorites. Car was super fun in the snow. Good times.

[@TheGtracer1994]

I love the headlights. The slim lights and Pop up combo is awesome

[@CrispusAttucks2315]

If you had this or an eclipse when I was in high school then you were something else. Boy do I miss these days when you could get affordable sports cars.

[@KRAMITDFROG]

It's really all relative. The ~$16K is about $42K today (and your comment is from four years ago, before the roughly 50% increase in average transaction price). Decent cars can be had for that. Mind you, there is a dearth of anything that is not an SUV - because hatchbacks and wagons don't do the same exact thing. 😏

[@simple_oversight]

My dad had one in early 2000s (that he bought with 30k miles on it) that was exactly like this one in the video. Sadly he sold it before I ever got my license... but I still have very fond memories of the ocassional run through the gears with me in the passenger seat!

[@revolutionday1]

With a few simple mods, you had a car that would handily outrun most of the police cruisers of its day.

[@nutsackmania]

revolutionday1 pff from the factory it would waste a contemporary 9C1 whalemobile slush-o-matic in almost all situations

[@iant720]

Until the LT1 caprice rolled out ;)

[@VTCharley13]

Terry Hesticles 👀

[@bigpoppa4094]

Throw an intake or cut a hole in the intake box. Plus exhaust gave it like 20 more horsepower. Loved how much boost the turbo feel those cars gave

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

More than 30 years later, and this car (and the Eclipse and Laser) still has a good cult-following and people are doing 8's and 7's in the quartermile with these things. A truly magnificient car that will live on forever

[@bradfromthevalley3469]

i had a red one that had be crashed it had some issue but was my favorite car, along with the wrx 02 blue...18 grand gets you junk today what America time to cut ties that bind..you with us Japan we had a good thing! same with you aussies you had good auto taste....

[@mitsubishikid1187]

so thats what my black 1g used to look like brand new...nice! love the awd turbo power vary cool thanks for uploading this.

[@nostalgiadad7137]

The Talon!!! sweet little pocket rocket with a bad ass name.

[@Skyhawk1987Turbo]

lovin these old episodes

[@fitfogey]

Always loved this car’s styling.

[@benjmiester]

Man I love MW Retro Reviews!!! Even the ones for cars I don't/didn't care about. Not this one, I love the EcLasOn as I call them :P

[@uppastdawn7627]

My buddy bought a 92 Talon TSI used around 1998 or so. Bought a used 2.5” exhaust for $200, a used higher flow fuel pump, and a manual boost controller and ran 13.7 at New England Dragway. That was huge im the 90s. That’s what the Camaro SS was running at the time.

[@kendavid891]

I had a black cherry 91 talon TSI,my mom even posed in front of my car like a model!many good times with friends,many 5.0 left in the dust,and police cruisers😊,drove it to junk yard with second blown head gasket@200,000,miles.

[@MPowerSubie12]

This is a real review! The Talon in my video(2017) has a cleaner under-body then the one here in 1990 LOL!! 27 Years later and mine only has 27k miles :)

[@johncriscione4298]

First car I ever bought. 90 talon tsi. Bought it in 99, it only had 40k miles on it. Was so much faster than any of my friends cars. Loved it

[@rockthesix7393]

Great car. I had the chance to drive one brand new working at a dealership. For its day, it had a lot of power and handling. That car stood out as a real performance car in 1990.

[@shawoo]

Remember wanting this bad back in HS. Great video thanks for posting.

[@maddesi2709]

Love it. The performance is fantastic for the time and not bad today.

[@TheMeanmarine13]

I miss flip up lights, I drove my moms 93 Miata to get oil changed and some little kids saw the lights flip up, they laughed and said that was cool!

[@calabschultz9648]

You could also do the sleepy eye mod so the lights would go down but not all the way. Did this on several of mine

[@thewiseguy3529]

Yea so they look broke. Perfect modification. Lol

[@tomstoughton]

now a Eagle Talon TSi is one of the old school BADASS cars out there, Running down Mustangs and Camaro cars at every stoplight. i raced one, ONCE. in my Silverado SS 6.0L 345 hp 390 Tq. I got smoked. literally obliterated by this car. i had just bought the SS Used for 15 grand. about a week after buying i decided to try and pass one of these, i honestly dropped my jaw at the performance it had. it probably had a larger

[@hectorsantiago5350]

The closest thing to an Evo we drove back in the day! Iconic indeed!😎

[@ckelley63]

I had a 91 AWD Laser with a bigger Japanese turbo and iit was a legit high 12 sec ride. I would routinely spank Mustang Gt's and Camaro's of the day with ease that car was a hoot to drive a lot of bang for the buck!!

[@asoel8302]

I miss my 91' TSI Great little speeder!

[@BradThePitts]

I bought one of these in 1989 specifically because my 1985 Iroc-Z was impossible to drive in the snow. In the winter I put real snow tires on all fours and it was unstoppable!

[@TN_HondaDad]

I purchased a 90 in 94 as my first "true"car and I thought I was the bomb... haha such a fun car when I was 20. Good memories with that car.

[@obi-wancannoli5858]

Still have my 1991 Talon Tsi AWD. Owned it for 21 years. I'm never getting rid of it. After the original fast and furious movie came out, everyone wanted to race me. That didn't last long, as ppl realized this car hauled ass. I can't even start telling you how many other cars I handed their asses to on a silver platter. Now, what I find hilarious up here in Canada, is anyone under 30 has no idea what the car even is! Had a few teens think it was a Sylvia! I think it's about time for a frame off resto, and bump the HP up to 700-800hp from the 350 it's now at.

[@imtheman3039]

I still have a 91 Talon tsi AWD that looks just like this one and it runs and drives still.

[@DavidAndre657]

A good friend of mine and I test drove his dad's brand new one once...without permission. This is a tribute to that.

[@pskrika]

My brother had one back in the day. I was sooooo jealous!

[@CaptainS159]

Watching this at The end of 2024 and Nostalgia ! TSi during Early 2000s in the Bronx!

[@65ANDRE]

My cousin had this car. I had rode in some of the muscle cars back during that time. He told me this car would beat them. Well after riding in it I came to believe it. To have a four cylinder, This little car had unbelievable power.

[@loosemouthcowboy4790]

One of my favorite cars to drive especially in the rain.

[@fartdonkey8290]

"well hello and welc-hum again to mote-her week eight-he nine"

[@joeleonardo5119]

😂😂😂i notice too

[@selfproclaimednobody4614]

I had the 92' gsx. Lived that car. Headers, flowmaster turbo exhuast, blow-off valve and catch can and a better oil cooler! Everything else was stock.

[@ting2006jd]

I miss my 93 TSi AWD.

[@edwardboster516]

me too....

[@sekopiski]

I have always liked these things for some reason.

[@miatageekscott]

I love these retro reviews, the good old days when cars weren't as hampered by regulations as they are these days...Correct me if I'm wrong...

[@isaakwelch3451]

Back when this was new the big deal was safety regulations. Thats why it has automatic seatbelts

[@mlbranch423]

I had a 90 turbo laser and that car was so much fun. The interior was very nice for that period and the power was very impressive . I upgrade to an Eagle Talon TSI and boy was their a differenc3. That car took curves like a motorcycle and never failed to impress me. I kept it for a few years and sold it in order to purchase a 94 LT1 Corvette. In all honesty, I liked the Talon better than the Corvette.

[@justoneofmany]

These DSM cars were nice. I like the style better than the mid 90s generation. They were pretty common but the Turbo AWD models fetched a used price about the same as a comparable Mustang GT or V8 Firebirds Mitsubishi had several cars with great performance. Eclipse/Laser/Talon and the 3000GT/Stealth. Plus the Diamanté. It wasn’t a sports car but the VR4 was decent and very comfortable.

[@annybodykila]

Galant and lancer, how did u forget the mighty evo

[@Ravager669]

these where allot fun in their day and still today

[@Pau_Pau9]

Wow, love the way car goes through slalom.

[@BigEightiesNewWave]

still great-looking ! Wish I had a new looking well kept one.

[@anilvirginia]

What a beautiful car. Would still work today 35 years later.

[@Microjoey02]

Must of been a full moon that DSM didn't crank walk on the track, I love the "shhhhhhhh" sound of the exhaust lol.

[@BasedEMT1776]

It's a 6 bolt. You're thinking of the massively blown out of proportion early 7 bolt 4Gs that 3% or less had issues with thrust bearing failure. Funny story the older BMWs, and Supra MKIV had worse problems with thrust bearing failure than 4G63s but you never hear that.

[@joegolfer9372]

Had one way back in 94. Really liked it!

[@babelcomm4236]

The 3rd gear was amazing!!!

[@gmoney7313]

Phenomenal car! Took it im snow a LOT and that 0-60 was FAST

[@leftcoaster67]

If they only took the great ideas of this car and incorporated it into their other vehicles. Whats one of the more popular cars today? BMW 328i. All wheel drive, inline 6. In 1989 the Mustang GT, the Eagle Talon, and 300ZX were the cool cars in my book. Sort of like the VW Corrado, great ideas that were maybe a wee bit ahead of the marketplace.

[@m1t2a1]

Used to leave all three of those in the weeds with an '89 Probe GT.

[@2BArchives]

m1t2a1 - Wow, what? Really? Dang, cool.

[@rodmunch69]

As a teen I remember these cars being ultra cool. Now when you see them they're all ragged out to hell with cigarette burns all over the cloth seats, not that you'd notice from all the stains everywhere.

[@isaakwelch3451]

Thats too bad. I still want to have a 1g someday.

[@BrasspineappleProductions]

These engines were very respectable

[@Phenom98]

What a bad-ass looking car! Much better than the newer Talons.

[@nylonsteel]

Still a good looking car,with basic mods alot more hp on tap.

[@guardrail2897]

I had a 1991 Talon TSI AWD. I consistently ran high 13s in the quarter. Not sure where they got 15.2 from.

[@lindseyormsbee]

I had a 1990 and a 1992 TSi while I was on active duty. I was maybe a year out of high school and naive. I thought I'd be with my high school sweetheart and mother of my child forever. I had both of them titled in mine "or" her name. I had no idea how significant the difference between and/or was. Once things started to fall apart between us she went to the DMV and had me removed from the titles, even though I bought them and added her onto them originally. All because it was titled or instead of and. I don't know if I'll ever get over that one. Maybe I'll get lucky and find an older owner that will sell at a decent price. They're still out there.

[@chgojoearchivist]

My friend's parents had a brand new 1990 Eagle Talon back in the day. I always thought the amber colored lights on the dash were super cool.

[@markbowman6655]

These cars did have a lot of torque steer when you pulled out. Around 1997, I owned a 1992 Mitsubishi Eclipse Turbo, lots of fun, still miss the car today.

[@abelucious]

I had a red Plymouth version, the cockpit is what I remember liking the most,. it was good until 3rd and 5th gears went on the transmission.

[@go86go]

back then friend of mine had a mitsu starion esi - the one with the turbo motor. hot damn, that car was fast . I think he did some tweaking to the intercooler. when the turbo kicked in, your back just planted in the seat.

[@dwoodog]

Buddies brother had one of these. I remember back in the 80's this thing hauled!!!

[@patrickmichael3384]

The Talon is my FAV Eagle.

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

That car was a beast for its day!😎👍

[@modelmaster79]

now thats a sexy car! Please do the 1993 eagle talon. I had one in '00. Great review

[@RallyLancer95]

My ride! Well almost, 1990 Eclipse GSX

[@roddydykes7053]

I don’t know how they can diss that stereo, look at the massive EQ selection it boasts - most modern cars give just one treble and bass adjustment

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

That car was a rocket for its day! Nothing couldn't touch it back in the day, and they were selling like hot cakes.

[@wiibaron]

Dodge Shadow ES sure could 'touch it' and then leave it back there crying in the dust. And for only 11k.

[@Turshin]

wiibaron only thing that could catch that shadow was the Grand National.

[@Turshin]

wiibaron not many ppl talk much or even know about the pocket mopars. They would outrun many of the v8 cars of the day.

[@Sinn0100]

Man, that dash looks like an absolute mess today but that is completely understandable. They did the absolute best with what they had. They didn't have touch screens and LED's to slap everywhere. I remember getting high performance muscle cars in the 1990's that had less information shown on the drivers cluster for twice the price. I'm looking at you Pontiac. ;)