MOTU MTP AV USB MIDI Timepiece Review

[@jackthemurray]

I hope you enjoy this video walkthrough of my Synth and MIDI setup! Let me know below what your home studio synth/midi setup is like! 👊😎

[@maxboskeljon6440]

Definitely did!👍

[@stefannusperling5587]

Controller: Novation Circuit is the heart of my setup, its the MASTER clock and I use it as a MIDI controller for my synths. Juno DS 88 as my MIDI keyboard. Korg SQ-1 as a Step Sequencer. A Beatstep is not yet fully integrated, but will be soon. Synths: Novation Circuit for percussion sounds (not drum). Korg Volca Kick, FM, Keys, Bass. Behringer Crave, TD-3, K-2. Roland JU-06. Uno Synth. And a Korg Kaosspad which I have not really decided yet how to use. All are merged with the Motu Midi Timepiece AV, plus two Y-Midi Splitter cable, because 8 channels are not enough anymore. The Korg SQ-1 is midi muted to not interfere with the Circuit.

[@piggyakametronome5815]

Hey Jack cool video man, I need some help with my home setup. Here are the pieces: 1. MPC 2500 - Main Controller (Getting a Yamaha MX-49 soon as a secondary controller, to have two you know) 2. Digidesign 002Rack - DAW 3. Planet Phatt - Sound Module 4. MoPhatt - Sound Module 5. Proteus 2000 - Sound Module 6. Proteus 1 - Sound Module (looking get a motif rack soon) 7.Motu Midi Timepiece AV (non-usb / looking to get the usb soon if needed) - Midi Router 8. DJ setup for sampling purposes routing the the MPC 2500 - Sampling Purpose Connect Let me the know the best way connect everything to be able to use the MPC 2500 (and the Yamaha MX-49, coming soon) as main controllers pulling the sounds from all the sound modules (as shown in your video). Then be able to dump them into the Digidesign 002 Rack (Protools 8.1 LE) to mix and add plugins etc. My contact is 718-501-1361 if you ever want to talk me through it, hey hope to hear back from you buddy be safe........Piggy aka Metronome.

[@CMAR872]

This makes so much sense, thanks Jack! And playing the two synthesizers at the same time was pretty damn awesome.

[@jackthemurray]

Thanks Chris!! And I know! I was so pleasantly surprised at how well the leads sounded layered with the BSII! The bass station will be my go too for synth bass for foreseeable future! Thanks again for the support! Feel free to suggest video topics if there's anything you'd like me to dig deeper on! Thanks!

[@jerrybeatz1997]

Hey Jerry Beatz here wanna congratulate you on 500, half way to 1,000!! You and 2 other producers inspire me to continue doing what I do love your setup one day I will love to have one like yours. STILL WAITING FOR THAT STUDIO TOUR VIDEO 😭😭🤗🤗

[@jackthemurray]

Hey Jerry!! Thanks for the kind words dude! It's very much appreciated!! Glad to hear I could help inspire you on your production journey! Keep grinding! Thanks for the reminder on the studio tour vid! I'll keep that in mind and get that done for you real soon! Best wishes!!

[@jerrybeatz1997]

Jack Murray No problem, yep I’ll be waiting !!

[@atharun3291]

Congrats 🎉👏🎉 500 my friend 😇👋👑🙏🤗😊💖

[@jackthemurray]

I appreciate you!! Thanks for the kind words!! 🙌🏻👊🏻😎

[@mynam3isnathan]

Dude, this was great! Appreciated the hardware overview here as I'm searching for a solution for midi and SMPTE time code control for running a similar setup plus an MPC 2000XL. It just drifts all over the place with Midi only control for sync etc. so I'm hoping one of the newer MOTU boxes is going to work out for me. Thankfully not doing anything with SysEx frequently enough to worry about those specific issues. But now I know that even if that part of things doesn't work out the generally useful Midi matrixing, routing, and all that awesomeness really does work as well as I could hope for.

[@jackthemurray]

Super glad you enjoyed the video Nathan! Thanks for sharing your input and info on your setup! Having the MTPAV has been a workflow GAME CHANGER for me. There's no turning back now! Best of luck on your own setup!

[@orphic-trench]

I just picked up a MOTU Midi Express 128. Let's hope it works as it's supposed to!

[@jackthemurray]

Best of luck!

[@Csharpflat5]

Great job

[@jackthemurray]

Thanks for the feedback David!

[@user-nu7xx7pc1d]

great video!

[@jackthemurray]

Thanks J!

[@GMan269]

Jack: fantastic video. With the Motu devices can I save a preset with a common routing? Say I normally just want to record midi and audio on any hardware I have but in some instance I want to sarcoma a bass sounds from Peak and Pro 2? I could open the software but a preset would be hip. Secondly, say I want to play the pro 2 from its keyboard to record something programmed to its ribbon controllers rather than using my Nektar controller. Issues? Thanks for the informative look.

[@jackthemurray]

Hey! I ended up upgrading my laptop and thus replacing my MTP AV USB, so most of what I say here will be going off of memory as I no longer have the device or a way to use it. To my knowledge you cannot save presets on the MTP AV USB. The device will remember the last state it was in though. I'm pretty sure you can save presets or scenes in Clockworks and reload those though and send the saved state to the device that way. I could be wrong though. Regarding the second question, yes you can totally use the Pro 2's keyboard as a controller. Just make sure that MIDI output is enabled on the Pro 2, patch the output DIN port into the MOTU, and then route that output to any MIDI input. I don't know the Pro 2 personally, but you'd want to make sure that the ribbon controller is capable of sending MIDI out. I'd bet it is, but you'd want to double check that it can and that it's enabled. I'm sorry I can't be of more help. If you'd like to discuss further feel free to message me on IG @jackthemurray. Best of luck!

[@findJLF]

Would have been good if you could have covered Global parameters etc. I hope you can cover than in future videos

[@mikerinehart]

Hi Jack! I'm a little late to this party but I recently bought the same Mixer for a similar setup. I was wondering, as far as the mixer settings go do you have your inputs set to +4 or -10? Any noise issues? I'm using balanced connections even though my Roland U220 and Kawai K5m likely are unbalanced. Thanks! Very informative video.

[@darkatek]

Hi Jack, sorry to bother but I'm having a problem with my Motu Timepiece and was wondering if you could help me figure it out. I installed it and it detects it but I can't reach the instruments separately. I can only play them with my USB midi controller when I route it thru "all cables" but then it plays all the synths at the same time. How do I route it so that I can send midi separately to each channel? I did some research and thought I was doing it right but no luck so far and when I did it like you show in the video my synths only play when External Instrument Midi is from "All Cables". I have the controller (Akai mpk mini) and have setup 4 different ext. inst. and have setup 4 different channels on my synths. Atm only want yo control my tb3 on output 1 and my Electribe 2 on output 2 but like I said I can only reach thru "all cables" as output. I reset the Motu to factory default. Hope you can help me out as atm my Motu is useless. Cheers

[@jackthemurray]

Hi Darkatek, no bother at all! I read through your post and the one thing that stands out is that you're using different MIDI channels on your synths themselves. I actually recommend leaving each synth on "all" and then routing the physical ports on the midi timepiece. Are you using the clockworks software to control the routing or setting it on the front panel? It can be done either way. If you send me a message on instagram @jackthemurray I can share pictures and video of my setup and walk you through it easier. It sounds like it's definitely just a setup problem though so I'm sure we can get it working!

[@darkatek]

@@jackthemurray Thx for the quick reply Jack. I'm using Clockworks with the original settings. I noticed I have more ports available on my Midi to of the Ext Inst. than you. I have the normal 8 plus Net port, Adat and All Cables. When I set the Midi out to Midi Timepiece All Cables I can send Midi to them but when choosing the actual port it doesn't send. It's quite weird.

[@EytanKoch]

Great vid! The manual says I need to use something called FreeMidi, but I can't find a version that works with even my very old macbook pro. Do you know anything about FreeMidi?

[@jackthemurray]

I have not heard of freemidi. The software I’m using is called clockworks and that works on my mid 2012 MacBook Pro. Sorry if that doesn’t answer the question!

[@7Wounds]

This video is great. I do have a questions if you could offer some clarity. With this if I had an MPC connected via MIDI, would I be able to use that and control devices connected to the same computer via USB and not via standard MIDI?

[@jackthemurray]

Yes you can! You’d need a software like Ableton Live though to route midi from one USB device to another USB device. Might also be able to do this natively via the MacOS midi menu but im not 100% sure. I’ve always done it in Live

[@hernanfuentes4093]

Buena demostración!!! Gracias!!!

[@jackthemurray]

You’re welcome!

[@stefannusperling5587]

Great video! I just got the older non USB version of the MIDI timepiece. I am trying to set it up via the lcd screen but it just won't work. I am routing the cables as described in the manual but my novation circuit just won't connect with my synth modules. Is there any crucial setting I am missing?

[@jackthemurray]

I'd say do a factory reset on the box. From there set the input and output routings in the "route by cables" menu. If you have a basic midi keyboard that you know works, I'd prob test the routing with that first. And then try the novation circuit. Mostly because I wonder if the circuit could be complicating things and I'd want to make sure the MTP isn't the problem. From there make sure all your devices are on the same midi port channel (1-16). The ports on the MTP may be routed correctly but if the midi channels aren't set right your devices won't connect. I hope that helps!

[@stefannusperling5587]

@@jackthemurray Thank you! The Timepiece was broken, even when the screen worked fine. I bought another one and now it works. I have setup merge all and even muted the play/stop of one step sequencer. Once the device is not broken, the setup is not that hard :p

[@jackthemurray]

Awesome! I'm glad you got it working! Enjoy it!

[@donwittbrodt-donsprojects7507]

Jack: Thank you for posting this video. I am strongly considering a Motu MTP AV USB interface but I'm concerned about continued connection in Windows 10. Several other interfaces have had known connection issues after an update in Windows 10. Have you heard of anyone having issues with this Motu in Windows 10? I realize many people use Mac, but I'm a Windows user and I use Presonus Studio One 6 DAW. Thanks for your help. DW

[@LomaGnome]

Is there any noticeable input lag pushing the midi data through your computer out to the Motu and inevitably your desired synth? I gotta say, you've got the kind of set up I've been trying to figure out, and my midi controller was one of the biggest hurdles.

[@jackthemurray]

Hey man, no nice able lag that I’ve experienced. Your cpu, ram, buffer size, etc. will obviously play a factor in that though. But this kind of midi routing is pretty standard and commonly used throughout the industry, so I wouldn’t worry about it too much. If there is lag and you can’t stand it, then using your controller directly into the midi interface would be a work around. Hope that helps.

[@LomaGnome]

@@jackthemurray Helps a ton, thanks for the breakdown and deeper explanation. You've got me down the path I was hoping for.

[@jackthemurray]

Awesome man, glad to hear it! Let me know if any further questions come up down the road! I’m planning on posting an updated midi setup soon. I got a motu MIo XL and that has really increased the potential of my studio!

[@TheDrumhead54]

Hey Jack, I reached a MOTU rep turns out there was a hidden Midi Installer for the MTPAV. I’m all good again, whew! I have a Roland JD990, an 880 module, a Korg Wavestation AD, Korg X5DR, Roland S760, Roland TD10 and TD27, Yamaha and Fatar keyboard controllers and a Kat Percussion DrumKat. I’d hate to not be able to control them or have to go out and buy something else.

[@jackthemurray]

Awesome! That's fantastic! Very glad to hear that you got it all working. That's definitely a solid set of hardware kit you've got! Gotta keep that all working! Best of luck with it moving forward! Enjoy!

[@ericc7167]

Do you have a link or could you tell me where to get the Hidden Midi Installer for the MTPAV?

[@TheDrumhead54]

@@ericc7167 - go to motu.com/download and get the MOTU MIDI Installer for Mac v1.6.73220 | Jul 31, 2017 I was instructed to do this: Turn off or unplug your MTPAV - Go to Macintosh HD > Library > Extensions > move the MOTU MIDI Driver.kext file to the Trash - Go to your Applications folder and move the Clockworks application to the Trash - Empty your Trash - Restart your computer - Next, go to motu.com/download and get the MOTU MIDI Installer for Mac v1.6.73220 | Jul 31, 2017 - Restart your computer again once it completes - macOS 10.13 and 10.14 ONLY. in 10.9 you shouldn't have this Immediately after restarting, go to System Preferences > Security & Privacy > General tab > and ALLOW the blocked MOTU software to run. - You should be able to power on or plug in your MTPAV and get it recognized.

[@keepingfitness727]

Hi! How do I route using the front panel only? Any videos on this matter ? I don't have a computer. I have Mpc as midi hub, with 7 keyboards. Route by Channle menu is confusing to me.

[@jackthemurray]

I don't have a video on it but if you message me on Instagram @jackthemurray I can walk you through it.

[@keepingfitness727]

@@jackthemurray I found a Wayne the Facebook group walked me through it last night. Thanks so much for responding.

[@jackthemurray]

Of course, glad you got it sorted out! Enjoy!

[@maxboskeljon6440]

I would say first but im not 5, so ill just say its a great vid. Its a great vid!!!!🙂👍

[@jackthemurray]

Thanks Max! I appreciate you!! 👊🏻😎

[@wilcandou]

I sure hope that latency isn't as bad as per the clip.

[@jackthemurray]

Not at all… the latency was a side affect of how I had it set up for screen recording. Since found a better way of doing that. No noticeable latency beyond standard midi specs.

[@dududamazio5337]

Hey Jack, how do you synchronize this device? Only via USB? I tried several times to sync my synthesizers ( using Ableton live), but the time is like 480 bpm...lol... Can you help me with this?

[@jackthemurray]

Hey Dudu, send me a message on Instagram and I'd be happy to walk you through it. I'll need to ask you some questions about your setup first to get a better idea of what's causing the issue (@jackthemurray)

[@marcogerminimusic6264]

hi can you put here a link to download the software for the timepiece? it seems i can't find everywhere.. thanks

[@jackthemurray]

You should be able to find it here: motu.com/de/download/product/15/?platform_family=any&download_type=driver

[@nithia]

I have had this MOTU unit for several years now but have never figure it out. xP That manual is long and I never tried to use the USB with it. Have been just using a super basic MIDI send box. Am also a FL Studio user rather then Ableton Am currently in the process of redoing my office and currently have no real idea where any equipment is going to go. xD Looking like I am going to be needing some rather long cables in some cases.

[@akumusik3582]

Love it💯

[@jackthemurray]

Thank you!

[@Sonnivate]

Why the mixer? Why not an adat preamp to record them all individually into the focusrite?

[@jackthemurray]

No good reason. That's just the setup I had currently. I only run audio through one synth at a time so it didn't need individual input tracks. I'll consider an adat expansion in the future but I'll honestly probably just upgrade to a 32 channel interface.

[@wickedmelodiesent.2051]

Hello!! Great video man..Question I could also play off of each hardware, instead of the midi controller right??

[@jackthemurray]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Yes as long as the MIDI outs of each hardware device are connected to the MIDI ins of the Motu.

[@wickedmelodiesent.2051]

@@jackthemurray awesome Awesome!!Thanks Jack😎🎼✊

[@wickedmelodiesent.2051]

Jack! Sorry to bug you lol...do I need to do any changing in the settings of all the hardware, in the keyboards, the midi?

[@wickedmelodiesent.2051]

I got everything going but albeton is not reading any of my external instruments..midi notes..(what ever I'm playing in other words)

[@jackthemurray]

Did you make sure that the midi tracks are record enabled? Also make sure your midi device shows up in the Midi/link menu in Ableton. If that still doesn't get it working, send me a message on instagram and I'll send video instructions!

[@icemannbmw]

Do you use software editors with your hardware synths over the midi interface?

[@jackthemurray]

I have yes, but I don’t use software editors very often. No problems when I did though

[@gt3kstudios]

what about mtp modifiers and base setups..?

[@jackthemurray]

I'm not super knowledgeable on those topics yet, so I left all that default on my MTPAV.

[@synthdude7664]

I have an old synth from the 80s and this last week the motu messed it up. Also question for you, do you use 30fps MTC? Or 24fps? Reason I’m asking is because for some reason , and all of the sudden 30fps makes a delay to my Protools recording midi.

[@jeffreytgilbert]

Any idea if that’s just an issue with older synths or if it happens on new hardware too? I’m considering what to buy and i only have the microkorg, a yamaha reface yc, and i’m getting one of thise akai beat 4x4 beat pad things with the knobs and faders, so new stuff pretty much. I also have an m1 mac so i’m concerned the hardware support might not be there with the the older time keeper hardware

[@jackthemurray]

AFAIK the MTP Midi Timepiece clockworks software stops working after Mojave (which I'm on). So for that reason I'd recommend a newer Motu box or iConnectivity.

[@jeffreytgilbert]

@@jackthemurray i was looking at the iconnectivity options too, but the routing software motu has for this looks way nicer to deal with. I think the iconnectivity rack has usb ports on it if i remember correctly. One of them does. I need to go back and look. I have no shortage of usb type b cables and midi cables now, so hoepfully i can fumble through this enough to cobble together a working system

[@pippinson7165]

Heya! Question regarding the AV, I have this as the central hub for my guitar synth system, and would love to see if i could get this to work from my pedalboard. I see in Clockworks (MOTU Control Program) that for the different Base Setups, you can assign a trigger action from an outside source. Have you used this functionality, or found a way to get this to work? If so, is there a PC/CC number we should assign along with the Channel designation? Thanks for the awesome info!

[@jackthemurray]

Unfortunately I haven't experimented with anything like this. My understanding though is that you could set it up how you're describing. I would think there'd be some info on it in the manual. mpe.berklee.edu/documents/studio/manuals/midisynth/MOTU/MOTU%20Timepiece%20AV.pdf

[@mmryspaces]

love my MOTU MTP AV. I have a very similar setup. Very few if any(?) modern MIDI patch bays have the option of being standalone (non USB) so it is a great tool for studio and live setups. but I loathe the day when I may have to upgrade past Mojave :/

[@jackthemurray]

I feel your pain! I'm on Mojave for that very reason. Going to hold out as long as I can! Best wishes!

[@shreyansjain3571]

Hey!! I currently don't own a midi keyboard..Any recommendations??

[@jackthemurray]

Definitely! Check out this video! kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3e5oJWnnZWWes0

[@leatherfacemc]

After seeing this video I decided to look around for one of these old MTP AV USB units and found one pretty cheap. I wanted a better system for using my Synth modules and keyboards. I installed the latest version of the MOTU midi installer which it says is compatible with my Mac OS 10.14.6. But after installing the software I’m not seeing the MTP in my audio/midi setup and clockwork doesn’t open because it says I need to set up the MTP in audio/midi setup. If you have any tips about installation it would be greatly appreciated.

[@jackthemurray]

Hey! I ended up upgrading my laptop and thus replacing my MTP AV USB, so most of what I say here will be going off of memory as I no longer have the device or a way to use it. When I initially set it up, I had a similar issue. If I recall, it was caused by the fact that I had the wrong version of Clockworks installed. To my knowledge, I never had to do anything in audio/midi setup to get the MOTU to work with Clockworks. That seems odd to me and makes me think you might have a newer version of the software than you need. I would see if you can find an installer for an older version of Clockworks and try that out. I remember having a hard time finding just the clockworks installer. Hopefully that gives you more direction. I'm sorry I can't be of more help. If you'd like to discuss further feel free to message me on IG @jackthemurray. Best of luck!

[@leatherfacemc]

@@jackthemurray Okay. Thanks so much for the advice!

[@maciekbuszman3884]

How about connecting multiple inputs to one output? Is it possible? Everyone's talking about connecting one input to multiple outputs.

[@jackthemurray]

Hey Maciek! Yes this is possible! However I have never attempted any form of real-time live multi-input midi syncing. So I can't speak to latency or anything like that once you have a bunch of inputs going at once. But in the clockworks software you can connect any input to any output and vice-versa. Hope that helps!

[@shaneabbott3877]

All synths to a stereo line mixer and input to 7/8 on the interface, same here

[@jackthemurray]

What can I say?? It works!

[@TheDrumhead54]

I have a MTPAV usb but recently it stop being recognized by my MacPro using Mojave it was working just a week ago fine. Any ideas? I did replace the battery still no change

[@jackthemurray]

Maybe uninstall and reinstall clockworks? I'm using Majove on my mid2012 macbook and have had no issues. So hopefully it's just a software glitch or something and then you can get running again. Sorry about that!

[@TheDrumhead54]

The only thing I can think of is I just installed a larger SSD from 1tb to a 2tb SSD drive, I reinstalled OS X and migrated the data from the 1tb SSD to the 2tb SSD. Everything else is working fine. I did a system report and I see that my MTPAV is showing it’s connected. I ordered a new cable should get it today. But I didn’t change anything. Clockworks can’t find the MTPAV for some reason. I even created a new setup in AudioMidi but I can’t get it to work. I did uninstall Clockworks and reinstalled it nothing happens.

[@TheDrumhead54]

@@jackthemurray Thanks it's so weird because it worked before. I've tried uninstalling Clockworks and reinstalling it still not working.

[@jackthemurray]

No luck with the new cable ey? That definitely is strange. I've had the USB functionality on interfaces fry before. (where the unit seems to work fine but usb is dead). I wonder if something similar happened but it sounds more like a software issue

[@brushandcolorpainting]

Hey Jack great vid! Have you tested the jitter on the audio returned into the DAW from the midi notes sent from the DAW (through the timepiece) ? I'm currently using usb hubs sending midi notes from the DAW, and have consistent jitter (under 1ms) on all tracks :( and I'm looking for a solution! Thanks for the video.

[@jackthemurray]

I sequence notes in my and send that to the synths and record all the time. I've never had any issue with jitter. There can be a bit of recording latency but this can usually be fixed with delay compensation or simply sliding the recorded waveform a few miliseconds into the correct position. Hope that helps

[@cfcreative1]

hi have u used the two pedal inputs to control different cc channels on different gear how did that go? thanks.

[@jackthemurray]

Unfortunately I haven’t. And I have since sold that device as my new MacBook was incompatible with the MTP AV. I now use a iConnectivity MioXL. Sorry!

[@daver2002]

Hey Jack, can i be cheeky and ask what settings do you have setup to have the Juno using only one midi channel (channel 3), I seem to have a strange setup as it responds to every channel, I actually removed my motu (the smaller box) and now use a through box and disconnected the Roland....so any tips would appreciate it.

[@jackthemurray]

Hey there. Sorry if I'm not understanding your question correctly. But here it goes The reason it only receives input from MTP #3 (on the software) is because that routing is a physical output port on the back of the Motu. Not to be confused with stardard midi channels (1-16). Since I have each device plugged into its own midi din in and out port I don't have to worry about setting different midi port channels. Each device is set to one and since each has it's own physical port and each device is set on midi ch 1 or all. I wouldn't know how to resolve the issue with your juno. Perhaps the midi channel setting is set to recieve from all in the juno menu. I'd be happy to discuss further. Hope that helps!

[@daver2002]

@@jackthemurray Thank you buddy, didnt expect a reply so soon..... Yeah that makes total sense, I'll work on it over the weekend. Cheers again.

[@jackthemurray]

Sure thing! Have a great weekend!

[@marcump]

Can you share the link to the motu midi software for this usb unit?

[@jackthemurray]

motu.com/download/download_matching_downloads.html?product_id=16

[@marcump]

Okay I found where you posted it in someone’s question

[@grantflashdance]

Hey so it seems like if I already have an interface with 1 MIDI out and 1 MIDI in, I could just use this as a hub, right? I could just program everything on the display and wouldn't necessarily need USB connection?

[@jackthemurray]

Yes definitely! You can even get the non-USB MTPAV if you want you to do it that way. They're cheaper and more available than the USB models.

[@grantflashdance]

@@jackthemurray great that's what I hoped thank you. I got the usb model in case the display went out (as it sometimes will) or if I eventually would want software routing. Cheers!

[@edglue6138]

Hay Jack. I have an old motu MTP AV. It has a parallel port on it. Can I buy a parallel to USB lead and will it work? I'm basically trying to get back into music production. After having children etc. Cheers Jack

[@jackthemurray]

Hey Ed, welcome to the channel! I looked through some forums and don't have an exact answer - but here's what I believe to be true: parallel to USB adapters do exist, and these were a viable solution for older windows based machines. The consensus on the internet is that access to drivers will be the limiting factor. My guess is that there won't be any windows 7 or 10 drivers available likely because they were never made. But, depending on your knowledge in that area you may be able to get it to work. Regarding mac bases systems, my guess is this wouldn't be plug and play, and it may not work at all. But I've never tried anything like this so YRMV. I do have two suggestions that may help. 1 would be to purchase an MTP USB. You can then daisy chain the non USB MTP to that and have a 16x16 interface. This could be a sub 100$ solution that gives you a lot of flexibility. The hard part here is finding one in decent shape as they are less and less available. Suggestion 2 would be to purchase a new midi interface all together. iConnectivity has a lot of great options. This may be the least headache and might be the fastest way to get you producing again. Either way, best of luck! Hope that helps, and thanks again!

[@edglue6138]

@@jackthemurray thank you Jack for taking the time. One love brother👊

[@jackthemurray]

Best of luck, I'd be happy to hear what you end up figuring out. 👍🏻

[@edglue6138]

@@jackthemurray I'll let you know. I'll probably end up purchasing new interface. I'm about to purchase new mac. I have few old synths. 101, korg monopoly, juno 60 and juno 106. Also have akai samplers. I want to use all of these. I have kenton converter. To make 101 and monopoly midi. I will just assign them to different midi channels for now. Same with other synths. It will do for now. I used to have them on separate midi ins and outs on interface. I'm basically starting over. It's been years since using my equipment. Having kids and work commitments. Put it on back burner. I need a hobby to get in to again. I'm going to start makin beats again👊🤞

[@richardrempes9663]

@@edglue6138 Hey Ed - I just bought a non-USB MTP AV. Why? Because I already have a USB version. In the manual, it explains how to connect the non-USB version to the USB version to "network" them together to create a 16 in 16 out interface. So - buy a USB version and keep your older non-USB unit! I'm in the same situation with a few older synths and controllers and a few newer ones - Korg Triton Rack; Roland JV1010, XV2020, A-70, D-10, JX-3P, PK-5, GR-30, GR-55, TD-20, SPD-S; Kurzweil PC3K8, Gsi DMC-122 with Gemini, Novation UltraNova, Ensoniq TS-12, Alesis QS8 and QSR, Yamaha VL70m, BOSS SE-70, Line 6 Helix, ART SGE II/X-15, Lexicon MPX-1, Digitech Vocalist II and Live and an Antares. Audio goes to a Roland M120 and a TASCAM LM-8ST, then to a TASCAM US-2000 interface and an X-32 rack. Actually, two of these MOTU units isn't enough to give them all a separate in and out, but adding a third becomes problematic as MOTU only designed the MTP AV to to paired with just one additional unit - but the good news is they don't have to be identical.

[@Jack_Sparrow_1]

@jackthemurray if you exceed 8 midi devices (and you will) an option (probably the best) is to buy some Kenton multipliers (splitters) between the motu outputs and your devices inputs, and a few Kenton mergers between your midi devices outputs and your motu inputs, and connect ALL your devices through them! - NOT some of them directly to the motu inputs, and the other ones through the Kenton devices!!! - this is to avoid timing problems (the signals of some of your midi devices might reach your DAW sooner than those from the other devices). No midi thru connections on the devices side! All the midi cables should be the same length, same model and same manufacturer! The Kenton midi multipliers/splitters make an exact copy of the connected motu midi port and sends it to each of its outputs(5, 12, or 25 outputs). As a motu midi port has 16 channels, you can connect up to 16 midi devices to just one motu port (one device on each separate channel) - assuming you buy the "Kenton midi thru 25". You can actually connect up to 25 midi devices per motu port using that Kenton midi thru 25, but those 8 extra devices must share the channels already assigned to other devices. The same goes on the way back, from midi devices to motu's inputs. But here the largest merger that Kenton makes is "merge 8" - merges 8 midi devices into 1 port - so you need to buy more mergers. For questions, call or email Kenton ( they are an english company). The only difference between your actual setup and having ... let's say 16 midi devices per port, is that now you have 16 midi channels available for each midi device (which, usually, you do not need nor use ‐ there are few synths that can use multiple channels at the same time - the MPE-type of controllers i believe use more channels at the same time or even the whole port). If you have 16 devices per port, you need to assign 1 channel to each device - which is perfect. Create a template in your DAW with a track per each device, each on its separate midi channel (the channel that you chose in that respective device' menu) and ... creativity time. It should work flawlesly. I do not have this setup yet and am not 100% sure it will work flawlesly. It is just the result of my studies and I want to go with it when I build my new studio.

[@jackthemurray]

Thanks for the comment! A new MacBook forced me to sell the MTP AV and move over to an iConnectivity MioXL. So I’m good for now!

[@MusicAnthonyTrevino]

Hello, by any chance where do you download the software to route the midi for the mtpAV? Thanks

[@jackthemurray]

motu.com/download/download_matching_downloads.html?product_id=16

[@simonetolomelli]

Is it still compatible with today’s version of macOS?

[@ericc7167]

Do you know if the MTPAV works in Catalina? Also, do you know of any drivers for MTPAV that are newer than the 2011 version in your link?

[@jackthemurray]

As far as I know the MTPAV USB Clockworks driver only works up to Mojave. That's one of the main reasons I'm still running Mojave. There may be a patch or work around that I don't know about but if you're a Catalina user I would double check before buying. With that being said, the MTPAV line (USB and Non-USB models) are both able to be patched from the front panel. So depending on your setup you may not even need the USB functionality. Hope that helps!

[@kenniechan1563]

Hi anyone knows if it can runs on macOSX 10.11.13?

[@jackthemurray]

Mojave and anything before should be supported. Catalina is what broke it for me.

[@enriquetena7939]

Have you tried it in protools?

[@jackthemurray]

Yeah, worked fine while I still had it. Got an M1 Mac and had to upgrade to an iconnectivity box

[@aaronmcentee9310]

Interesting. unfortunately i like many synth enthusiasts and sounds artists must make compromises in terms if gear and set up. That being said, i only really play and produce for myself, friends and family so

[@jackthemurray]

No shame in that! We're all just doing the best we can!

[@ChrisNova777]

a++ for facial gestures lol

[@jackthemurray]

Whatever works, ha. Thanks!

[@genedevine]

I've had my MIDI TimePiece AV (MTP) for ages too, it swear by it, only downside is MOTU no longer supports it with MAC OS Monterey.. . I recently bough the latest MacBook which comes with Monterey pre installed and my newer MOTU 828 es audio I/O requires Monterey. it is a drag and makes no senses given my MTPav is in tip top shape and I'm reluctant to purchase the newer model from MOTU given the build looks cheap and lacks some of the functionality of my MTPav that I use regularly. Plus it just seems a bit pathetic for MOTU to stop supporting this device almost a kick in the teeth. I mean I don't know what hardware or software issue truly prevented an update... I'm wishing there was an alternative to MOTU's software to manage the MTPav. Currently, I'm running an older Mac concurrently with m new machine...to allow me to more quickly manage the MTP, though, the front panel control works just fine. I'm looking at OSC to potentially build some parameter controls through MIDI...if that worked and if I can find the time!!!

[@jackthemurray]

Thanks for sharing! I definitely feel your pain! My mid 2012 mbp graphics fried on me randomly one day. Never was able to get the machine back. So had to quickly buy a new M1 Pro MBP. Say bye bye to the MTPAV. Loved that box, very easy to use and simple software. As far as I’m concerned there’s no reason why that box couldn’t be supported on modern OS versions. I’m sure it’s strictly an issue of MOTU not wanting to devote time or resources to updating software for an out of production box that they’re no longer making money off of. When I was looking for a replacement, I passed on the modern MOTU boxes as I read there were some issues with transferring sysex files to vintage synths and a risk of corruption. That scared me off. Ended up with the iConnectivity mioXL and have been happy with it. Hoping it holds up for me! Thanks again for sharing!