Dwarfen Mountain Holds One Year After The Release of Warhammer The Old World

[@Swoop0229]

What you're saying about my favorite faction is great but the real win is all the close up pictures of the models.

[@christopherclayton5500]

Having played TWW3, I think the thing that slayers are missing is speed. They don't need to be fast, just Fast (for a Dwarf).

[@ratdoller77]

I tried to convince my one buddy to get back into fantasy with old world by playing dwarfs again. I convinced myself to start a dwarf army. still waiting on my made to order slayers and banner bearer/lords.

[@landerbennewith6169]

You know, it'll arrive in like the next week now you've made this comment.

[@meeskman7410]

Something I want to see with slayers is deathblow applying the weapons damage instead of just a str 3 hit. If my slayers are taking great weapons they should hit with those on death and if they have two axes then they should have 2 hits on death. I really want to run a slayer army with how easy they are to paint with contrast but they just aren't quite good enough. Oh and I want them to make a thunderbarge so bad, that thing would sell like hotcakes

[@Tulkash01]

Slayers should be a “hammer unit” but they are not particularly killy. In the past they were used to secure flanks (because of how unbreakable used to work), today that’s more difficult to achieve. What I want is slayers that are not particularly difficult to kill but that also are a menace on the battlefield.

[@toro132]

yes,dont make sense this rule. it is obvious that slayers must attack with their weapon when die,but the rules were done very fast and many things dont make sense

[@Tulkash01]

@ they just took the 8th Ed rule and copy-pasted it for the Old World. They also clarified “slayer” works on the deathblow attack. It isn’t great but the problem with the unit is not deathblow imo.

[@Anvilarm07]

Beautiful paint job on those dwarfs.

[@user-hy8yo2ki1v]

I would like to see dwarves "magic lockdown" improved. Currently they only have level 1/2 mobile denies, and one expensive level 3 static. When most armies rock a level 4, it makes it hard to do much. Yes we have MR1 or 2 against targeted spells, but I find some of the most impactful are vortex's, which we are very vulnerable to (often boxy and low movement). The only counterplay we have is to load up on spellbreaking runes, but these are quite the points investment! Obviously I am not talking competitively, I just tend to play rank and file type games :) If only I could bring my truth speaker from storm of magic....

[@thelordswargames614]

Swordmasters: The last game I had a block of 15 of them (drilled full command and magical banner + 2 combat res) keeping a Bloodthirster busy for basically the whole game: The Bloodthirster couldn't resist to charge my swordmasters on my extreme left flank at turn 2 but the Swordmasters resisted 2 turns (2 and 3 and actually winning the turn 2) before to fall back in good order outside the field at turn 4 with the Bloodthirster following them... outside the field. The Bloodthister was back at turn 5 but too far from any action for the rest of the battle. That was a positive trade :-) Swordmasters are not what they should be but can still have some heroic moment ! One day they will be great again ! I will keep bringing them waiting for the day !

[@CherudexGaming]

there are few changes that i wish they make on dwarfs, and mainly, are just some comebacks from previous editions: - the PEAK of 7th edition: the small engineer as added champion for warmachines, with the same abilities - engineers that actually can join warmachines (with some stand and shoot, if you want), but with the same ability, because maybe, BS 5 to a S7 ballista can be A LOT - upscale the wizardry level of runedudes: runesmiths lvl2, runelords lvl3 and anvil lvl4 - gromril weapons keep their bonus on runed weapons - Master Rune of Stromni Redbeard with a fixed range, not command range, so i can assign it to an hammerer's stendard bearer - freakin minum WS 4 to everybody... doesn't make sense that shooters and crews got WS 3 - less points on engineering runes, that not only are mediocre: they are also overpriced (except for the stalwart rune, that could be amazing... but only with the engineer champ: without, it's just a waste of points) - at least 25 points (better if 50) for trollslayers stendard does those changes would make a difference? don't think, but would be more enjoyable

[@jtrain9926]

Slayers need a big rework to fit in the game. They either need a standing 5+ regen/fnp similar to Flaggelents or they need a rule similar to Skinwolves where they swear an oath each combat and thats how you get your 4+ to wound anything or 2 other abilities, and also the unit needs skirmish. That will make them worth their current cost.

[@Tulkash01]

They just need to be more killy. Slayers should not be particularly difficult to kill, their whole purpose is to die fighting and earning a mighty doom while doing so. Personally I would add AP to their weapons (as part of the “slayer” rule) and give them extra charging distance (they really want to get up close and personal with the enemy). They could even get furious charge and impetuous when within charging distance of a behemoth..

[@Gage_Welch]

Maybe they could turn off troll regens & hatred(trolls)

[@jtrain9926]

​@@Tulkash01 that's why I suggested the skinwolf type rule, pick an ability each round of combat and give them skirmish (and slow-stride like Doomseekers) but limit the skirmish to 0-1 per army to keep it reasonable unless you play Ungrim.

[@ericolson922]

Nah. Slayers aren't supposed to be good. They are thematically the closest dwarfs get to expendable troops. Obstruct and delay a section of the field like controllable terrain. Just need to be costed that way. Remember troll slayers haven't killed a troll yet...they want to fight a troll and hopefully die well in the attempt. Giant slayers had the misfortune of beating a troll, so they are looking for a giant to hopefully die to...dragon and demon slayers likewise.

[@jtrain9926]

​@@ericolson922 I don't agree, from a game play perspective army's shouldn't have units that are simply bad for their points. Especially such an iconic unit, which yeah has never been great but I'd be fine with it being just OK, not actively hurting your list of you take them.

[@vojtaxxxxxxx]

Honestly, dwarves seem to be in a pretty good place. Yeah they could be buffed in a few places but they are fun and work and most importantly, they play the movement game

[@GrandAdmThrawn]

Would you be willing to do a series of battle reports where you create the most OP/broken 2k lists for every army and then give your input what you like/hate and why? I know it might time consuming.

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@GrandAdmThrawn we actually had plans to do exactly that. Problem is the most power full list don’t play ToW in a way that run for me at all. They look and play like age of Sigmar games except there is no scoring. Nothing but multiple level four wizards. Big bad fighty characters. And a ton of skirmishers. I have always loved competitive Warhammer fantasy, this is the only edition I dislike it. Which is insane to me because the old world is my favourite edition.

[@GrandAdmThrawn]

@@MountainMiniatures Yeah, totally understand you. Thanks for a quick reply and I hope you are having fantastic Christmas and 2025 will be a blast for you and you loved ones. ❤❤❤

[@squarehammer9349]

Called it hahaha

[@Kollider115]

Do you guys have a video explaining why 7x2 is better then 5x4? Maybe its different for like orks and goblins but i have hard time beating big blocks that have +7ish combat rez

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

Would love if all the Dwarves got +D3 on their charge roll, it would help the melee blocks be more aggresive.

[@moiseman]

that'd make zero sense

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

@moiseman never heard about dwarves being natural sprinters, very dangerous over short distances?

[@christopherclayton5500]

I think this on Slayers would make sense, and/or give them Counter Charge.

[@ericolson922]

Maybe. I would rather have some bonus to CR. Plenty of armies are great at charge! Dwarf armies should be best in class at grind! Some kind of cumulative bonuse per round of combat or roll for a random bonus to CR.

[@ericolson922]

Dwarf army itself is mechanically fine. My problem with it is as an old player it grinds against the old lore of dwarfs resisting change and innovation...the game is set well before the end times but somehow there is MORE access and acceptance of gunpowder and engineering contraptions? Personally would have liked the royal clan template to be the base grand army and all runes a little cheaper.

[@skreechverminking2227]

I dunno about trolls, but mine ran off for good after I had their firdt combat (general wasn’t in range so I had to roll under a natural 5 with 2 dice, If I wanted them to make a fall back move 😂

[@ay2deet578]

I collected Empire as a young teenager over a decade ago, recently been building a Dawi army out of the Highland Minatures range. Loving my short lads, definitely leaning heavily into Longbeards and Rangers. Starting smattering in Gyros, Ironbreakers and Drakes. Only play with three friends so no crunchy meta stuff. Just some good fun nostalgia with friends.

[@Yurt_enthusiast7]

@ay2deet578 Honestly that's the best way to play, I can not fathom why people are playing this game competently

[@mikkelandersen5389]

im so conflicted on my opinion about dwarfs. every game feels like i stuggle. my warmachines hardly does any lethal damage. my runes are wierdly costed to stop me from making onkilleble characters. and i have yet to get a single charge of, even when they are right beside me. On the other hand Ironbreakers and hammers might be the best unit in the game. and the amount of points these units grind and earn me, might be the only reason i stand a chance most games. i think i might have been too conftable with dwarf being a top tier army for over 20 years now

[@outrageouslycasual6819]

Great video, thanks Steve! I absolutely love playing my dwarfs in old world. Not only do they feel right on the table, they are also incredibly fun to create lists for. The runic system is just fantastic imho 👍!

[@DK-zl5gb]

I just don’t see the point of playing a resurrected game of rank and flank when the game now isn’t about rank or flank, unless you hamstring yourself? Why not just play AoS or a non-GW game?

[@hewkii7157]

aos4 is a good game but I cannot bring myself to care for the mortal realms or the narrative

[@lukefreeman4281]

Exactly, they made ranked up units terrible, a big screw up by GW

[@DK-zl5gb]

@@lukefreeman4281 There's legit no point to ToW. It's just a slower, more complicated version of AoS, and I don't like AoS besides the much better designed models. ToW doesn't really cater to rank and flank people, who probably were already burned before when GW gave up Warhammer Fantasy. So who is the target audience?

[@Cael551]

@@DK-zl5gb The target audience are people who like actual strategy in their table top strategy game.

[@DK-zl5gb]

@ not much strategy in the game. Bring lvl4 wizard, monsters, the least amount of rank in file possible in this rank and file game, and profit

[@cp1cupcake]

Saw a video from what I understand to be a pretty high level dwarf player. His main combat unit has characters, which includes 2 of the named characters and something like 3 others and is made up of 61 rangers with many of the upgrades. His only other units are 2 minimum warrior units specifically to anchor his main brick against give ground. Oh, and the ranger unit is one massive line.

[@Knoffles]

The ranger unit is just so incredibly good. The base BS4 with xbows and great weapons and having them in core makes they so effective. Having a giant line that not only hits really hard but also adds their stand and shoot to the combat res (from either the xbows or throwing axes), makes them really hard to beat in combat. It’s why you normally see them above any other core choice in a competitive list.

[@DK-zl5gb]

eww

[@toro132]

of course nobody gonna agree with you on dwarfs being the best army when they are one of the worst armys. daya tournament show dwarfs at the botton together with empire with 40% win rate. also you are soooooo wrong with the anvil,it is useless. its in every aspect a lvl3 mage that cant move neither join to units and cost 100 points more expensive.........how heck somebody call a lvl3 mage that cant move and cost extra100 points expensiver good? its a joke and nobody use it competitively. thorpedo alsl is useless,do numbers,for his cost its worse than the regular weapon of irondrakes. theorycraft show how the damage per points of regular irodrakes is better than the thorpedo. artillery also are 100% useless this edition and dwarfs are worse even. our heores are overcosted and runes are worse than regular items of other armys and expensiver. in competitive dwarfs dont use heroes,only the bsb and thats it is all because dwarfs heroes are useless and a tax. oh you didnt sayd nothing about how dwarfs cant kill dragons even with 2000 points attacking each single round for 5 turns and how that makes dwarfs 100% useless in tournaments where dragons are the meta and dwarfs are a autoloss vs dragons. in general dwarfs are the worst army of tow(core armys), because they are slow,have lowest initiative doing them useless in melle with this bad rule of step up,havent monsters in a edition of monsters,havent magic in a edition of magic,cant kill monsters in a meta of monsters,have the worst war machines but this don matter because shooting is useless in tow. dwarfs are only good at shooting in a edition where shooting is useless,so is logical that dwarfs even being very popular and having a arcane journal are the worst core army of the game in tournaments with 40% win rate

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@toro132 you are so wrong it’s embarrassing. You don’t blame the tool when the operator does not know how to use it.

[@toro132]

@MountainMiniatures ok, so you are saying that only you know play dwarfs and every top player playing dwarfs at world tournaments are bad players and due to tha dwarf have 40% win rate ok.......that is less e,barrassingnomg

[@connermccracken5397]

Lists with Anvil are the lists that actually have a positive win rate at tournaments. Taking anvil + Bugmans cart and casting the mobility spell to slingshot the better dwarf blocks up the table is genuinely an answer to the dragon and Shooting Meta. I don't think they are the best in the game either but the anvil take is Dogshit.

[@connermccracken5397]

How can Dwarfs not kill dragons!?! Double Grudge throwers w/ runes?!? 10+ Irondrakes block 1 turn shooting + dwarf crafted stand and shoot w/ cinder blast bombs?!? Doomseekers w/ runes doing multiple wounds, dying, and then acting as points denial making it a negative interaction for the dragon? A king on shieldbearers with a rune of smiting in a unit with static 7 combat res?!? I play dwarfs almost exclusively and I don't even notice when there is a dragon on the table.

[@MountainMiniatures]

@@toro132 that not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying Toro132 doesn’t know what he talking about. He doesn’t even have the courage to make the claims as his own. He has to make the false claims that it is the opinion top dwarf players think they’re shit. I’ll add, I know you don’t even play the game, that’s how Wildly inaccurate your claims are. You’re all theory hammer. You’re wrong about torpedoes, you’re wrong about anvils, you’re wrong about initiative. I’m sorry. Literally every sentence you wrote is not based in fact at all.