Mouse & CDawg Argue About Health

[@mythicninja2139]

You know it’s serious when everyone takes the monke side

[@crassiewassie8354]

never knew it was that bad lol he should've told her you wont be able to play video games with your fucked up hand not the streaming thing I think that's a bigger threat

[@mythicninja2139]

@@crassiewassie8354 i think the streaming part would be more important because her whole career is streaming. Also she cares about her followers so i think the streaming part is more important

[@amuro5992]

@@crassiewassie8354 he actually did but not everything can make it in this cut. He shared with mousey about his friend that can no longer game after forcing himself till it was unsalvageable. His friend can no longer use a mouse as just clicking will cause severe pain according to monke

[@jaytea3085]

very well put lmao

[@riton349]

@@amuro5992 I think Shibuya Kaho mentioned ones on Twitter that she has carpal tunnel (But probly not as bad as this friend)

[@generalgrievous444]

its really cool how connor cares about mousey

[@RollingBlocks]

Despite all the shit they say to each other they truly care about each other. That is true friendship goals right there

[@donovanwilson840]

They are like brother and sister

[@DTux5249]

Decent human beings The lot of them

[@ilikethespikeman2552]

@@donovanwilson840 THAT MAKES IT EVEN BETTER

[@FriendBe]

@@donovanwilson840 Younger bro here. I agree.

[@Rud3us]

i suffer carpal tunnel and i draw for a living, CONNOR IS RIGHT MOUSE

[@expertivy2655]

Yea my mom works at jeep and she got nerve damage from carpal tunnel and now she has to change jobs because she cant physically do alot of the things that jeep has their workers do

[@deadlyrobot5179]

I've developed carpal tunnel in my both hand last year, now I'm using windows with an Xbox controller.

[@raine777.]

If you don't mind me asking, how do you draw with carpal tunnel?

[@Rud3us]

@@raine777. with alot of suffering and breaks

[@sandromaspindzelashvili5767]

@@Rud3us Is it worse than arthritis?

[@FlufLord]

Oh man those dono’s were really on point. That’s Zen’s chat level of trolling and it was wonderful

[@stevenalexander6262]

Indeed, it hilarious XD

[@darkrico81]

Dw l 55

[@iZCroikey]

Who?

[@FlufLord]

@@iZCroikey Zen as in Zentreya, who is also a member of Vshojo

[@Rolasu_Draygan]

for real i hope mousey sees a doctor about her wrist/arm and connor goes to a dentist. donations were hilarious though

[@KenjiSora]

But Connor admits he went recently and he's going... It's not like he's not.

[@dhpa2601]

And he need to floss (not Fortnite floss)

[@Rolasu_Draygan]

@@dhpa2601 he can do both

[@matthewbibby8921]

@@dhpa2601 Guarantee the dentist won’t say anything about flossing. He’s completely right - it’s not really a thing here in Britain. Like, sure, it’s probably used to treat certain issues that pop up and some people probably do it regularly, but unless there’s a reason for it dentists won’t insist you have to floss in the same way that you have to brush your teeth. Fun fact though - the average teeth lost in the UK is 6.97, while in America it’s 7.31, (least, the last time the information was gathered, there’s still articles about it from 2015 if you want to look it up yourself) so evidently it’s not quite as important as Americans think. Perhaps you guys ought to do something about your sugar intake instead before you get on other people’s cases about not flossing at the very least.

[@03dashk64]

@@matthewbibby8921 that is assuming EVERY American who has lost those teeth also flosses, which is assuredly untrue. I’d be interested to see the overlap between those that floss and those that lose teeth

[@domisunique]

Connor describing Mouse's life as a 'No hit Darksouls Run' kind of hit different ngl.

[@jamzee_]

Whaaaaat happened?

[@waitwhat9546]

@@jamzee_ Ironmouse has Common Variable Immune Deficiency, or CVID, a disorder that impairs the immune system. So yeah basically her life is a "No hit Darksouls Run" IRL

[@jamzee_]

@@waitwhat9546 ik but i meant the kind of hit different. that usually means something happened recently

[@Thomas-qc9xl]

Ironmouse really does need to take carpal tunnel seriously.

[@kingcoheed1208]

Especially since she can't get the wrist surgery to reduce the pressure

[@VaanOtacon]

I have a friend who is exactly like Mouse. Constantly having to nag at her to take care of her health, to prevent things from getting worse, and to take her own pain seriously. She literally almost died from covid, and the only way I could convince her to take it easy and stop doing shit that was going to make it worse was to tell her that if she didn't take it easy that I was going to join her in her quarantine to make her stop. She is the most mature person I know, but when it comes to her health it's like coaching a toddler.

[@Zanpaa]

To be fair to Mouse, and as she mentioned in the clip, she has a *lot* of health problems to take care of, and it's hard for her to know if something is due to one of those or something different.

[@VaanOtacon]

Oh, full on, I was mostly mentioning the fact that this conversation is extremely reminiscent. Plus i don't expect people to have an accurate idea of their own health at any point, I think its unreasonable to, I just enter mama bear mode when they learn about their health and keep doing the thing that makes it worse.

[@vivek_02512]

@@Zanpaa but you cant just ignore it though at least informing your doctor about the condition is what she should have done

[@Jdjdlssnbdm]

Maybe she's been so much time with pain in all of her body that some way she's get used to that (Sorry if i wrote bad something, I'm nearly learning english)

[@civildisorder]

People caring about Mouse: Serious time, lots of love. People caring about Connor: Just keep dunking on him.

[@knexfan100]

I mean.... It's permanent & painful hand disability vs a British guy having bad dental habits (the stereotype exists for a reason)... Of course Connor got clowned on... it's far less serious than what's happening with Mouse. Hell, I doubt Mouse is doing everything she can to take care of the carpal tunnel. You can't just take a break and buy a crappy ball mouse and it's all of a sudden all good. You need to change your ergonomics, start stretching/exercising the wrist and fingers, use a brace, actually talk to an orthopedic doctor (not just your regular physician), and learn to take breaks when the pain/tingling starts kicking in.... Especially the last one, worst habit you could ever have is powering though the pain. The pain is there for a reason, it says stop.

[@supergluehotty]

Connor: I could literally have a heart attack, and chat would be like OMEGALUL.

[@ojrmk1]

Connor always giving off annoying but loving big brother energy.

[@goddragon8637]

*Yes finally someone said it I thought I was going crazy cuz I kept getting those vibes from him too!*

[@ryanguy5452]

Or boyfriend 😳

[@Rinniepho]

annoying or annoyed lol

[@Rinniepho]

annoying or annoyed lol

[@ruinparadox4812]

Mousey, I know you're pretty much used to it by now but that's no excuse to literally make your condition worse.

[@Weaklytune]

I know right, I think it wouldn’t hurt to at least get it checked out just in case lol

[@wokedog1799]

Just a heads up, this is a fan channel for clips

[@ruinparadox4812]

@@wokedog1799 we know

[@nomad4338]

Alright so we've established Mouse needs to get her arm taken care off and Connor needs to floss his teeth and go to the dentist. Goodness these two are both complete disasters, no wonder they're friends, they both need a babysitter.

[@stewy497]

Dentist yes, but you can have perfectly healthy teeth without flossing. If you're not trying to deal with gum inflammation it's just excessive.

[@icedkohionegai5194]

@@stewy497 True, I just make sure to change my toothbrush often to really get into the crevasses. My gums are really sensitive, even brushing my teeth causes it to bleed. Flossing just makes it overkill for little return

[@Harry-cj3yu]

@@icedkohionegai5194 I thought the idea was that by flossing (and that way reducing the inflammation causing irritations between your teeth) would make your gums stronger in the long run even if it causes discomfort for the first few weeks. Not a dentist, just a curious internet dweller.

[@soulangela7154]

@@Harry-cj3yu No idea but I've also heard from dentists that flossing is actually bad because it shoves the bacteria in the gums. There's a way to do it right but they say most people do it wrong and the sawing motion damages the gums so at this point I don't know if flossing is good or bad.

[@Harry-cj3yu]

@@soulangela7154 seems legit, I'd believe that it's maybe more of a technique thing. I generally have gone by what my hygienist reccomended as she was the one inspecting my face bones every 6 months or so. But that's certainly not to say that advice should be considered universal, human bodies are weird at the best of times and seem to not like actong as a homogeneous group.

[@KaneyoriHK]

You can hear how genuinely concerned Connor is, he was legitimately angry

[@wonderland4301]

Connor calls her cute anyways at 4:14 after the edited skip

[@dannyd.9932]

This is why I avoid arguing with my fellow Latinos and Latinas. We can literally argue over something for YEARS.

[@joseestenoz1367]

Fr

[@CyberianFaux]

Does anyone every "win" the argument or do you both eventually just drop it and choose to believe your own viewpoints?

[@dannyd.9932]

@@CyberianFaux There’s no real “winning”. Like ever. Typically the argument will go on and on until the why is forgotten and both of them don’t remember why they don’t like each other or it’s forgotten because the amount of effort ain’t worth it. If it’s the latter then you just pretend to not remember having an argument. Family arguments are way worse though

[@whitehalo1277]

@@dannyd.9932 As a fellow latino, I can confirm this accuracy of this statement.

[@thegrim418]

Sounds like southern hospitality fights. Less serious, but just as lony lasting. Neighbor hired someone to trim a tree off the shared fence with the other neighbor. Neighbor 2 calls neighbor 1 a son-of-a-bitch for not asking him to do it since that's what neighbors do. Neighbor 2 cut neighbor 1's grass while he was gone to work instead. Neighbor 1 then replaced neighbor 2's leaky hose while he was at work. I don't think they've talked to each other for months. They just keep trying to one up each other while telling everyone else the other is a bastard.

[@cheddarrbunny]

The donation bit where everyone kept changing the name was so fucking hilarious

[@PaulNapkinds]

This stream is wholesome on crack. Both of them having a bad day before. Mousey with her internet issue and Connor losing the tournament arc. And they come to accompany each other in their down time. All shipping aside, everyone should strive to find a friend like this in your life.

[@ZGundam64]

Mousey, just do some 'Just Chatting' streams to give your wrist some rest.

[@cjnf11]

Just Chatting streams are the best streams anyway.

[@ozzywalker609]

They better call Zentreya. This is Zen-level chat trolling

[@_sagefire]

She was in the chat, actually. People joked she was summoned by the Apex

[@ouroboros8229]

Hearing about mouse's condition makes me realize how much I take for granted I remember her saying once she wish she could sit in a chair and I was like Holy shit I really do take things for granted. Mousey is very inspiring she's one of the strongest individuals I've ever heard or seen ❤

[@megameme29]

It's sweet that connor cares about mouse when there not arguing.

[@leoo452]

0:19 Is no one gonna talk about how the game animation goes on perfect timing with what they are talking about, and specificaly what Connor said?

[@Allen-R]

bruh

[@PR0BI0]

OMG whaaaaaat lol that was almost creepy 🙈😂😂

[@ennassingletooth359]

i laughed so hard when the donos war start

[@Zaadin19]

"Why you trying to add difficulty to a no hit darksouls run in your life!?" This made me laugh really hard then feel really bad.

[@Ai_M3talloidX7]

Me: I'm genuinely concerned right now. *_Contemplates life choices..._*

[@goddoslayer]

I love how they r both laughing at each other's problems like those ain't nothing. I truly wish that the both of em takes care of themselves. And ofc that they take care of each other's

[@deadsoon]

I suppose that after having so many health problems for so much of her life, she's developed a cavalier attitude towards her own health- if it already sucks, why try. Learned helplessness. I don't have chronic physical illnesses but I do have chronic mental illness I developed as a very young child and you can definitely slip into that mindset of "why bother, if it'll never go away".

[@carton5235]

they did manage to make each other promise to fix their issues, so I'd say this turned out well! (Not to mention the quality content we got out of it)

[@salvadortoscano2534]

"I'm already mad, just tell me!" I got father vibes off that xD MOUSEY, LISTEN TO YOUR MONKE BF!!!

[@amuro5992]

Just one of the instances that you can see Monke is a good friend. Dude's a real one.

[@BiroZombie]

The stream was sad and maddening in the beginning since Mousey's ISP kept cutting off, so she kept going offline (she was going to end the stream but decided not to), then, later on, all of this happened where you heard about their health issues, and the donations. There were more donation names with messages that were funny that weren't shown here. It was hilarious.

[@gmbb7453]

Can I have the link please?

[@BiroZombie]

@@gmbb7453 One place where you might find it is on the IronMouseVODs channel on KZbin. The links to the Twitch VODs are available in the description of this video, but they'd expired already.

[@grip3939]

Connor is acting as the voice of reason. He does have a point though.

[@neroneroren6788]

I know the lady that handles the fish in my local supermarket and had to completely stop working due carpal tunnel for months and got surgery. I draw a lot and daily, and the minute I feel the wrist being a bit iffy I try to take 1-2 days of break (If feels severe then a week) and just watch movies or shows for that time. So yeah, take care the moment your hands act weird. Also do hand/wrist stretches.

[@cjnf11]

This was one of the very best highlights of Connor+Mousey so far. And it's always so heartwarming to hear Mouse laugh.

[@Vulji]

Connor is right about the flossing thing, it's very country dependent. In France even the dentists won't recommand you flossing if you don't bring up the subject yourself. It's just not a thing in at least half of european countries.

[@Zanpaa]

Yeah, it's also not commonly agreed that it's a positive thing, or at least necessary. Let's not forget that the US is also a country where genital mutilation is considered normal... I wouldn't rely on "everyone does it" to know what's good or not.

[@CyberianFaux]

@@Zanpaa I hate to ask but what procedure are you referring to as being mutilation? Perhaps I am just tired but I cannot think what you mean

[@rahul327]

@@CyberianFaux circumcision

[@CyberianFaux]

@@rahul327 That is mainly a religious thing though, no? I thought that is done so that way they can follow whatever religion when they are older as the only time that supposedly matters is when it has to be circumcised for a specific religion.

[@VentStrike]

@@CyberianFaux Well, I just looked it up again to make sure, but about 76 to 92 percent of men in America are circumcised, and it's not usually a religious thing. They do it when you're a baby because the circumcised skin is a good source of stem cells. A lot of guys don't even know they were circumcised, including me until I found out what mine would look like if it was uncircumcised.

[@danailmarinov7299]

They should've done the carpal tunnel test. It was a thing you did with your wrists to see if they hurt.

[@_neddy_teddy_8048]

I love how he cares so much about her

[@l-bear_0528]

This has “angrily shouting compliments at someone” energy

[@ぜなRTH]

actually those Donations is an effective way of saying, "Bro, Get some Help"

[@koxukoshu]

dude the donos at the end had me laughing hysterically,,, especially the Connor's grandson one lmaoooo

[@carolrickroll767]

0:17 That “What?!” is so cute!!!!🥺🥺🥺

[@TheCool_Man]

The difference between carpal tunnel and not flossing is, you don’t have to floss as long as you brush your teeth, whereas Carpal tunnel is gonna mess you up worse than, Connor is right, fight me.

[@kinggundragon3728]

brushing your teeth doesn't get stuff that is stuck between them. You have to floss or use a powerful mouth wash and teeth infection can kill you out right if not treated.

[@TheCool_Man]

@@kinggundragon3728 you can get tooth brushes that can yknow

[@kinggundragon3728]

@@TheCool_Man Ive got one of the best electric toothbrush around and still find that it doesn't clear every thing. Again theres no replacing floss or a powerful mouth wash.

[@TheCool_Man]

@@kinggundragon3728 you can't 100% clean your teeth I don't think anyway

[@kinggundragon3728]

@@TheCool_Man True but you dont want stuff stuck between them It can cause hidden damage to the teeth and even gum rot over time.

[@AlexGrom]

"Just because you did something stupid doesn't mean you can do another stupid thing now" - now that's a lot of unexpected wisdom from monke

[@gostickless1707]

Mouse needs to go see Dr. Hakeem

[@Kalatash]

After the video, I got an ad for a dentist. And I DO need to reschedule my last missed checkup.

[@sonicplys64]

Mousey go see a doctor and Connor go see a dentist. And live stream it.

[@mustafabaksh8610]

When he said “What are you doing? Why didn’t you tell anyone?” It honestly reminded me a lot of Gordon Ramsey.

[@The_DGO]

1) see a doctor about it 2) hopefully it’s due to not having a desk and not destroying your fingers

[@goddragon8637]

I find it kind of sweet and cute how chat lightened up this otherwise dark conversation.🤗

[@kiritsu_x]

I love the chemistry between them. It's really entertaining and good for both of them.

[@ghostcraft9343]

I empathize with Connor in this as a lot of my friends refuse to let my help them or take them to the hospital when you can see their tendons and they are dripping blood

[@boko1564]

Conner's genuine concern is wholesome.

[@jaytea3085]

3:24 that is honestly so well put holy shit

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

I can't read minds, but with how clear Mouse is on wanting to be as normal as possible, maybe she sees getting worse and being unable to do something as a setback. Taking time off to recover is a normal thing. I think it's good that chat backed up Connor here. A disabled arm, long term, would interfere with her goals far more than letting it rest a little.

[@doki4839]

Connor is a real one, u can tell he rlly cares for her.

[@shiro7130]

Oh so that's why my hands have been numb for 3 days straight and it went away after I stopped playing osu

[@ChrisPoindexter98]

I appreciate, in a way that didn't seem to be too paternalizing, how some were suggesting special suggestions/solutions/products to replace different kinds of mice and keyboards as possible fixes to prevent further pain or possible injury.

[@chrisvenusangel]

Ironmouse is like my friend Lyon everytime i find out he hurt himself and i ask him if hes seen a doctor he says no and i get mad at him for it XD

[@Weaklytune]

XD

[@justapassingbycommenterrem5642]

True wholesome friendship right here

[@TheLovelyAviZone]

I used to have an amazing friend that would take care of me when I felt no one cared. I really miss him and if I could tell him that he helped a lot with everything again, I would

[@Void-wy7qt]

Didn’t mouse say something around the lines of “what can I say you make me laugh”😏 and we know that she likes people that can make her laugh. This stream was sad at the beginning but it got way better when mouse wanted to cheer up Connor

[@wokedog1799]

Chat said "We do a miniscule amount of tomfoolery"

[@NeinFeline]

7:25 yep

[@TechxGuyxJames]

Why did it take 5 months for this absolute gem of a video to appear in my recommendations?

[@darkosvenicci2151]

I love how he was like "There are 5 stages of carpal tunnel". Then thought there weren't any, there are 3 so he was close. But its a symptom range from mild-moderate-severe.

[@ultimecia102]

I love how much of a caring friend Conner is being here. I hope you recover quickly Ironmouse.

[@xSkysilver]

With how much he cares you know he loves her deep down, that ain't just caring for a friend that's caring for someone you love

[@zendur9086]

its kinda true tho, both in sweden and italy, ive never seen or heard about anyone using floss, i cant even remember the last time i saw it in any stores either

[@bengrogan9710]

The tingling in index, middle finger and thumb is a trapped nerve in the shoulderblade I just recovered from that

[@wyatthicks-johnson2449]

Just proof that Connor really cares about mouse

[@kenny4u]

5:21 sounded like the meme from starwars lmao

[@friendlyhobo6483]

Not going to the dentist is the most british thing I have ever heard.

[@KenjiSora]

But he went recently... Why are you talking about?

[@SuperDababy2]

Watch, one of these days we're gonna hear Mousies door is gonna open on stream and Connor's gonna just pull up with a doctor

[@CBeavr]

0:19 Bruh even Wraith is feeling mouse's pain

[@psycodoood]

The last 30 minutes of these streams are gold

[@tobiasphelps1712]

Why does Connor look like he has baby hands when he stretches?

[@jwest88]

This is hilarious. Another one to add to the Playlist.

[@brothadarkness9995]

That moment when you're like "damn, Conner is the good guy" Yeesh mouse don't make us worry and join the dark side XD

[@bubbles710]

Husband shows concern about his wife who has a lack of it

[@carlcarlington7317]

Connor doesn't get that American lifestyle. An ambulance costs like 2000 bucks, i know mother fuckers who've gotten concussions and just keep moving cause they don't want to pay to see the doctor

[@Longislandenjoyer]

Connor really saved her ass there

[@NeoNeoNeo]

Did he? Has there been an update on the carpal tunnel situation with her?

[@Longislandenjoyer]

@@NeoNeoNeo Only one from 11 months ago where she says she's gonna have a doctor check it out. That's all I got, I'm a pretty new fan so I don't know jack shit

[@angelredvivar]

Coming back to this clip: She now has Carpel Tunnel and struggles

[@RealPeasantLord]

We all need a friend like connor

[@LeoLivewire]

When Conner closes Apex for you, you know you've fucked up.

[@TheCanadianGuy56]

As someone who constantly wears a brace, I actually kinda like mine now. It's on the knee but still, it's worth it mouse pls.

[@nicechoicee]

what a duo and an iconic chat on both ends

[@41tinman41]

We might have to have IronMom involved if Mousey keeps dodging the MD for her wrist pain.

[@vsGoliath96]

Oh my god, Connor's fucking face when Mouse says her hand goes numb? The range of emotions for just a split second. Comprehension, incredulity, anger, all there!

[@BelladonnaHarker]

to be fair, she has a chronic illness, which kinda fucks up your pain tolerance, and its also hard to pull back because you just want to keep doing your regular stuff and not need to be delicate or treated differently because of your illness. It can fuck with how you view pain/physical setbacks. But at the same time, wear the brace (make it cute with stickers) and overcome; don't ever force yourself to go through the pain.

[@kanosupers5797]

This stream was fucking cute, there's even a bit where Mousey holds herself hostage to make Connor promise to take care of himself. And Connor pretty much puts her on the spot to make sure that Mousey is around for years to come

[@itskudini]

Ah yes, the dono war...that was so funny

[@NocturnalPyro]

Honestly this is when Connor should contact Mousey’s parents, and make sure they take her to a doctor.

[@HeartlesSv420]

My mom used to have her fingers go numb, too. She ended up needing spinal surgery, and then she had to have another spinal surgery when it started happening on the other side. She was scheduled for one more, but ended up having a stroke & an aneurysm & passing away before she could have it. So Mousey, please take better care of yourself. We all love you & would hate to see something bad happen to you.

[@darkwave9345]

when you see Connor like this, it really changes a viewers percepetion. Dude is so pure and caring when it comes to mouse, its so weird

[@kyleali6641]

Connor take care of ironmouse please 😰😰😰😰

[@JR-tt5oo]

there is a very simple three step hand exercise you can do daily to alleviate cramping and carpal tunnel. Stretch the hand out in front of you with fingers separated. Then make claws like a cat would as you crunch them downward. Then fold the fingers into a balled fist, return to starting spread position. Repeat.

[@Professordev1]

They both need to take care of themselves

[@sirrjean1553]

Connor is such a great friend. She should listen to him.

[@seriousbacon3676]

One of the only two health related things I don't play around with: hand/wrist and back

[@Kliever]

I'm a physio, carpal tunnel is not fun.

[@Maiyosu23]

5:43 There's no need to make any jokes. Connor walked into that British stereotype 😂😂😂

[@MrPonytron]

What's even better is one of the ads for this video is a toothpaste ad 🤣