MovieBob Reviews: LOGAN

[@Grnvolpe]

I don't know why Hugh Jackman didn't have other famous roles but he's a great live performer and singer alongside being a good actor. The prestige was good

[@stephen2624]

You bring up an interesting point in how this R-rated movie will be something for young girls seeing a young girl being a straight-up badass, giving them a sense of empowerment. I remember when The Passion of the Christ, an R-rated movie, came out back 2004 and our religion class teacher was trying to be ethtical to see a Christian movie about Jesus that is otherwise violent as fuck except it was basically torture porn. Unlike Batman v Superman, Logan is a depressing R-rated movie done right because it was honest with itself and wasn't trying to make toys or nor was it grim for the sake of it. e.g. Superman letting people die a flaming exploding death in a courthouse with echoing screams.

[@mabusestestament]

Batman v Superman was more trying to be a redemption story than a depressing one.

[@Drmercurious]

Or it would have been if it had been any good...

[@paperbackwriter1111]

mabusestestament Fucking failed there, given how Batman attacks Deadshot in an alley and uses his kid as a shield...

[@SuperMicklovin]

Stephen Mc Devitt Superman isn't the flash. He couldn't have saved them with how fast the bomb went off

[@SuperMicklovin]

Stephen Mc Devitt The flash purposely slowed down for that race due to it being "for charity". Not that racing and saving over 50 people in less than a second is even remotely similar.

[@1987MartinT]

I feel sorry for whoever has to play Wolverine after Hugh Jackman. Those are some big shoes to fill. I mean, the guy has played the character in 9 movies over a 17 year period, and no matter how good or bad the movies were he was always great. It's great to see his run as the character end on a high note. And I am so happy to finally see a live action version of X-23.

[@rotwang2000]

"Inevitably finds its way back to Marvel ?" You know those old jagged rusty barbed wire fence poles you see in fields ? Most Hollywood executives would not even hesitate to repeatedly smash their own faces into them if it prevented Marvel from making even one extra cent with the X-Men franchise.

[@Torthrodhel]

Now that sounds like a movie.

[@1krani]

It'll be the Barb Wire remake that nobody asked for! Think of the merchandising!

[@sageemerald7685]

LEGI⨂N

[@likenem]

Movies sell comics

[@Chaosmage42]

its going to happen He was what kept it going and there is the thing NONE of the other x men movies were as good as first class and they botched that sequal and this is a good way to just end and here is the thing THIS IS HOW IT SHOULD END. Fox needs to realize something trying to run movie about your competetors universe that are not even in that universe is point -your going to make money but not in the amounts you could if you for example stopped making the movies and focused on your own, there is a limit even to how many movies fox makes each year and here is the thing if they funneled that into making dc movies they could catch up to marvel in what they really need world building, they are rushing and trying to do what marvel did in one or two movies the reason avengers works is all the characters they are all developed iron man had 2 movies everyone else had one movie and here is the thing they don't have to go through their own character development as their developed and the avenger movies lead to just more growth and story telling -it would be like if they tried to ram all 3 lord of the rings movies into one 2 hr movie its not do able without killing the character development and thats the problem. If they want to make their properties better they need to make more movies about them stop making the marvel ones and in fact sell them back to marvel you will get some money and get things for say a flash or other such movie going. then again they have failed to realize that simply by using the already developed tv show flash they could have saved themselves a ton of time. look i just feel that they have made several major screw ups in this and that the dc eu is better with their tv shows then the movies they make which so far have been bad.

[@fredericchristie3472]

In my mind, the beauty of this film is that it makes clear the real cost of a civil rights struggle: people die and are left in unmarked graves. But the sacrifices in the movie actually do count for something, so it is ultimately bittersweet. I had gutpunch after gutpunch in this movie, but I was never disappointed.

[@TinyDancerX99]

For the record, X2 is amazing and holds up.

[@juner2may2]

Fun fact - endorphins are actually pain killers dopamine is the chemical that makes you happy

[@IncendiarySolution]

"They're just Banal, and Pathetic and Meaningless" Like real life.

[@HollowGolem]

IncendiarySolution That's probably the point.

[@sheep3370]

Given this was Jackman's last bow, I was hoping for something less nihilistic. I mean come on...Charles Xavier being ungracefully offed and buried in a dingy grave where no one will ever find him fells wrong to me. So wrong

[@IncendiarySolution]

Caesar that's the point

[@sheep3370]

I get that. I just don't like it

[@shindean]

Holy crap this movie was amazing. So we all do agree that FOX should NEVER DO ANOTHER X-MEN MOVIE EVER AGAIN! How the hell do you follow up this brilliant piece with the rest of that X-men junk from Fox?!?!?!

[@MrREAPERsz]

I say let them do it. The MCU doesn't need the X-Men, so let Fox learn from their mistakes.

[@Tigerkaya]

Taylor Williams agreed let Fox keep X-men.

[@unmessable12]

they suck at ensemble films though....

[@Tigerkaya]

Take Out The MCU doesn't need the headache and vice versa. Plus I hate Deadpool, so no team up between him and Spider-man.

[@Tigerkaya]

@Fernando N works for me along with no more FF films from Fox, just give that back to marvel.

[@thetruephoenixful]

I also enjoyed the meta narrative in the movie: Logan wants nothing to do with wolverine or the xmen, people keep making him be wolverine despite him not wanting to be, the asshole bad guy being a big fan of wolverine, and of course (massive spoilers) a younger version of wolverine being what kills him.

[@stephengoralski6555]

You described Logan here in a way that I would describe Watchmen as far as disappointment goes (well with the exception of Watchmen's ending and the flashbacks). "Those were great times, Rorschach! What ever happened to them?"

[@nitromagilou597]

I've always had a soft spot for the X-Men movies; The first movie was alright X2 was pretty good The Last Stand, while not great, has a few decent moments Origins: Wolverine was a garbage fire, but at least we had an awesome tie-in game out of it First Class was a definite step up The Wolverine was pretty entertaining Days of Future Past was even better Deadpool was amazing and I want a sequel of Apocalypse, while disappointing, at least it's better than The Last Stand I kinda wanna see Logan. It looks awesome.

[@agentofchaos7456]

Actually, Bob the movie did referenced Logan killing people at Weapon X in Apocalypse. It was motive for the main bad guy.

[@huhhhhhhhhhhhh09]

The tone reminded me of The Last of Us, which I'm sure is a common remark but it brought out very similar emotions for me. That's high praise.

[@jarrodanderson4825]

huhhhhhhhhhhhh09 seems like they took more than a few notes from The Last of Us.

[@TheDoctorOfOdd]

Jarrod Anderson Just to be sure: you know this is at least partly based on the short comicbook series Old Man Logan, which came out before The Last of Us, right?

[@umjackd]

I don't know why people keep saying this. Yes it has a cantankerous violent older man take in a young girl under his wing as a sort of daughter, but that's it. This movie is about finding his sense of family. The Last of Us subverts that trope entirely. Laura is a girl raised in violence and he hopes she can do better than him, while Ellie is non-violent from the start and becomes horrified by Joel's casual violence.

[@fishpop]

Grizzled guy and little girl survive in a post-apocalypse. Sounds like The Last Of Us to me.

[@SuperMicklovin]

umjackd Ellie becomes just as violent as Joel midway through the game.

[@wilhelmcooning]

Aww X-Men 2 was good ya heartless monster.

[@arkhamcreed4326]

It was alright, but go watch it again right now; doesn't hold up. Opinions being subjective and all that, but for a lot of people (including myself and apparently Bob) the X-Men movies just can't compete. We can go re-watch a decade old movie in the MCU and it is still legitimately GOOD, while going back to an X-Men movie the same age just get an "eh, I can see why I liked it when I was younger." People's tastes change with time, and the X films have always been about scrapping the comic stuff in favor of this washed out "realistic" tone as a way of chasing the "mature" comic fans. Just like the Dark Knight trilogy did. And yeah, that's awesome if you're still in that transitional phase when you don't understand what maturity actually is. But when you get a bit older and look back you see just how absurd and at time downright silly these movies are. Movies like X2, Days of Future Past, and even the Dark Knight are adolescent movies; that awkward phase when you think you're hot shit because you managed to get away with a little bit of profanity, and all your buddies call you a badass because of that trendy leather jacket. But ten years down the line you look back at yourself and think "god I was such a dork back then."

[@LukeLovesRose]

LOL. Your standards are really LOW if you think MCU movies are timeless. You clearly don't give two shits about cinematic art. DOFP knocks the shit out of every MCU movie in terms of cinematography.

[@wilhelmcooning]

But I like that they're silly! They've got this fun faux serious campness to them. They're so over the top... Like when the truck flips in The Dark Knight, or that ridiculous assassination attempt at the beginning of X2. Sure, it ain't exactly The Godfather, but not everything has to be high art to be enjoyable. And I'm just as much a dork now as I was 10 years ago :) I ain't seen Days of Future Past so I can't judge that one, but I feel X2 and Dark Knight are good for reasons that are very different to why the Marvel films are good. There's enough room in the world for both!

[@iansmart4158]

There is nothing good about the first captain America film and Ant Man. They're both BAD. and Will X, kudos for sticking to your guns. Like what you like. If someone tells you that your taste is "adolescent" then they're definitely not adult enough to understand opinion isn't fact. I'd say having films that don't acknowledge death, the world, or actual people the way Marvel movies do is immature. I'm not saying one needs to be "REAL" and "GRITTY" but those X movies do what some of the best X books do. Examine how the X-Men's cosmic adventures are meant to reflect the nature of how people can feel about their disenfranchised situations. Books like the Days of Future Past, Dark Phoenix saga, or Wolverine (in Japan) stories are as much about self discovery, relationship straining, and fear of an uncertain future as any of those X-Movies are. Not liking them is fine, but saying they don't inhabit the real spirit of the comics (like Raimi's spiderman did) instead of just adapting them is false. Don't mean to attack you dude, just getting my feelings out. Have a nice day.

[@mikaelr.9676]

and DOFP

[@jeljrij]

Here's my analysis of all the X-Men movies X-Men: alright X-Men 2: great X-Men 3: pretty mediocre, but not outright terrible X-Men Origins: big hot pile of shit First Class: really good The Wolverine: pretty good Days of Future Past: not perfect, but still good Deadpool: fantastic Apocalypse: meh Logan: fantastic The X-Men franchise is a huge mixed bag, but generally I would say there's way more good than bad and I disagree with your assertion that only two of them are any good. I respect your opinion, but I don't like how you assume everyone agrees with you, when movies like X-2 and Days of Future Past are held in pretty high regard

[@bigbadbraxien6081]

John Eldridge finally somebody said analysis and not opinion because analysis is accurate

[@j_6469]

So my question is what does the X-Men universe do next? I mean Deadpool 2 obviously, but are we doing the Phoenix storyline again and recasting wolverine, or do it without him?

[@Rmlohner]

And Patrick Stewart has said he's retiring from the series too as there couldn't possibly be a better send-off for Xavier.

[@Heimal]

X-Force will be either Deadpool 3 or a team up like Avengers, and they are gearing up to make New Mutants, plus Channing Tatum's Gambit movie will probably get made eventually. I think SOMEONE at Fox has realised this variety of small, character (and creator) focused movies is better than churning out a shitty X-men film every 3-6 years. That just leaves Bryan Singer to decide if he's going to be the one churning out the shitty x-film every 2-6 years.

[@AGB-]

I would love a Dark Phoenix Saga movie (or movies) done right. They have been doing this subpar Carrie or the like in the previous movies. I want the sexual awakening theme of the original comic, only modernized. I think you can do the Dark Phoenix Saga and have modern progressive sexual awakening themes.

[@hardy83]

I assume they did x-23 as a way to possibly use her to replace Wolverine. You can't replace Jackman, so why not just replace the character.

[@CharlesGouraudgaming]

I think that an X-force movie would be great as a Colossus led team, where he's the dad character, exasperated with the other members of the team, probably including Deadpool.

[@pftburchell5197]

You were right about Get Out, so I'll take a chance on this one.

[@dinsism]

X-men-7/10 X2-8/10 Last Stand-6/10 Origins:Wolverine-5/10 First Class-9/10 The Wolverine-7/10 DOFP-9/10 Apocalypse 6/10 Logan-10/10

[@agentofchaos7456]

You forgot Deadpool.

[@CalebByRamen]

switch the scores for First Class and The Wolverine, and we have the same scores.

[@1269Hammerhead]

X-Men: 3.5/5 X2: 5/5 Last Stand: 3/5 Origins: Wolverine: 1.5/5 First Class: 4.5/5 The Wolverine: 3/5 Days of Future Past: 5/5 Deadpool: 4/5 Apocalypse: 4/5 Logan: 4 5/5 Deadpool 2: 3.5/5

[@BloodlessWolf]

X1= 6 X2= 7 X3= 4 Origins= 3 1st Class= 8 The Wolverine= 6 DOFP= 8 Apocalypse= 3 Deadpool= 8 Logan= 10 Deadpool 2= 7

[@fiercedietyfan]

Oh god, this sounds like the future trunks arc of Dragon Ball Z; and I love that!

[@iansmart4158]

Never thought of that but you right bruh.

[@Haysey_Draws]

Completely agree Bob! I really want to see more of X-23, and not in a PG rated X-MEN movie, she need's to be R rated to do her justice (something that took several movies to get right with Logan) and doing some time manipulation to get her there might work. As far as her being in a Deadpool movie anytime soon...i dunno, she need's to grow a bit more on screen to be able to fit i think. Gotta say though, Jackman has done Logan proud, going out on a high...or low, depending how you want to see it. Great film, by everyone involved!

[@iansmart4158]

X-Force!!!! Rated R Cable - Leader Blink Bishop Warpth Sunspot (basically entire DOFP future crew) X-23 and a lil Deadpool here and there. That's a SUPER TEAM WE NEED BUT NOT THE ONE WE DESERVE!!!!!!

[@darkvegeta1000]

I imagine X-Force more like: -Cable -Colossus -Negasonic Teenage Warhead -Domino -X-23 -Deadpool. Then you take advantage of characters already introduced. (Similar to Avengers)

[@Haysey_Draws]

Hadn't considered X-force, maybe that's what Deadpool could lead too, an X-force R-rated movie like the action films of the 80's/90's but not as cheesy. Hell we already have some character development for Wade, X-23 and (in Deadpool 2) Cable and Domino, and Cable's time travel shenanigans would be able to bring X-23 and anyone other DoFP characters in...only problem is who's the big bad to really give them a good fight?

[@celestinenoxgames]

Okay. You sold me. I REALLY want to see this now.

[@TheJboy88]

Give how often Bob has gone on to say that the X-Men movies haven't really been all that good, it's nice to see that, for their final outing, they at least went out on a high note.

[@DrMutran]

We want "The All-New Wolverine" movie adaptation.

[@sirhenrymf]

This just makes me miss MGS4 and wish for more games/movies where our heroes are old, falling apart, disenfranchised, and dying.

[@Aerakade]

The green screen color around Bob's head made me think the tracking on the VCR was off. Also, I think I'd rather see him occasionally look down at his notes/script than see the glow of his screen in his sunglasses.

[@HandofOmega]

Just rewatched this for the first time since it came out, and decided to check out old reviews. It's actually fascinating to compare this movie to The Last Jedi, which has many of the same beats, and to see how much better the execution is here. I think the main difference is that Logan, while initially refusing the call to adventure, still *goes*, albeit grudgingly, and we can see his progression throughout the movie. Imagine, however, if Logan had just stubbornly stayed with his crappy limo job *for the entire movie*, ignoring Laura's pleas for help the entire time, only to suddenly make an about face in the last ten minutes or so! THAT'S the Last Jedi...and that's why it's a betrayal of the fundamental Heroism of Luke's character. Had he been allowed to leave with Rey, still complaining, but we SEE him belying those words with his still heroic actions, the movies' message would have been much better delivered, and fans would have been happy by getting to actually see him in action one last time...

[@DrownedInExile]

I know what the X-verse could do next. Like Hugh Jackman, Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan were both good actors playing roles that were practically made for them... in a franchise best known for mediocrity. There it is: a movie about Prof-X and Magneto, perhaps finally resolving their life-long differences and becoming friends again for one last pivotal struggle. Their tragic friendship was one of many strong points of X-Men First Class. If done right, I'd watch the shit out of that. "Eric... in my life I've never had a better friend, or a more formidable adversary. It's been an honour." "And a privilege, Charles."

[@spukerchannel]

I would consider X-2 and X-days of future past good movies (containing wolverine), so i wouldnt make that a point

[@Leviathon672015]

Someone must have been paying attention to this review, cause I saw quite a few children attending the film.

[@kalinroar3366]

I'll be the first to say aside from days of future past and X2 I never really liked any of the Wolverine x men films, but I honestly can't imagine anyone else in the role.

[@jiado6893]

I think X2 was really great. but I think Bob is right about the comparison to Shrek. 1 to 2 good movies.

[@mr.stoneface7699]

I saw it, and I had emotions, and the audible sniffles told me I wasn't the only one.

[@KyleAlexJohn]

Hoping X-23 and her little crew become the carry-overs into the Avengerverse over any of the X-men.

[@Talwyn22]

3 1/2 Stars? Wow... dammed by faint praise maybe? C'mon Bob, this is a watershed moment in Comic book film adaptation and by any standard, it makes all the other Superhero movies look like kids stuff. That the studio [Fox] agreed to release an R-rated Wolverine movie that really doesn't hold back it in itself worthy of praise but the film as a whole is something beyond mere entertainment and visual spectacle. Personally, I think this is a 5 out of 4 star film for a multitude of reasons - the incredible performances of Hugh Jackman, Sir Patrick Stewart, Richard E. Grant and break out new star Dafne Keen, the brilliant and true to life brutally realistic fight scenes, the ennui of Logan and Xavier, all of it... it's worth more than 3 1/2 stars. Even you on your own channel posted a video declaring that this film should never be remade which indicates that this is a special piece of culture and as such deserves to stand alone.

[@Talwyn22]

bwhahahahaha - that's priceless. Tell me snowflake, what's it like being a tissue skinned princess that has absolutely no impulse control whatsoever and pisses themselves in rage when someone offers a differing opinion? No, you don't need to answer that because people like you have fuck all self awareness and even less ability to think rationally. I actually love dickheads like you who come out all full of piss and vinegar thinking they're an internet warrior but the cold hard fact is you're nothing, nothing at all. I'd been bored of late, keeping myself to myself thinking my trolling days are behind me but you came along to defend Bob [who doesn't need it btw] and as such you effectively shat into your own hat and wore it for all to see. Well done! Now here's how this goes precious, you can respond but in doing so will make you my bitch because it proves my point that you have no control over yourself just like Pavlov's dogs. So what's it going to be? Show some maturity or be my bitch? Choose wisely...

[@gabrielferreiraalves7929]

"I think this is a 5 out of 4 star film for a multitude of reasons" Do you know he maximum of stars is four stars right? And that he loved the movie? That review was lot more positive that Doctor Strange. There's no fucking reason to get angry or... whatever fanboy spirit you are right now.

[@ComradeRemus]

Bob rates out of 4 stars...

[@cameroncorbin6952]

Wow, I didnt realize there were actually x men fan boys. If you consider deadpool an 'x men movie' they've had 2 movies that I enjoyed. The rest simply felt mediocre at the best of times.

[@EmmaleePearson]

Is your mutant power bitterness? Logan gets two claws up!

[@wdcain1]

I'm not so sure I want the X movie rights in Disney's hands. I just can't see them doing the naughtier aspects of the comics like the Logan/Jean/Scott love triangle, Rogue's intense frustration from no physical intimacy, and don't get me started on foulmouthed Deadpool and BDSM Emma Frost. At most, we'd probably get a more action oriented version of _X-Men Evolution_.

[@blyzer7373]

wdcain1 When did Fox do any of that except Deadpool after 16 years of X men movies and Ryan Reynolds doing his best to make it?

[@avatareternal3204]

wdcain1 I can't see Disney doing any of that stuff in the films but they might in the TV series.

[@Aaron34285]

I wouldn't call the Reavers in this movie a death squad. Stormtroopers in A New Hope killed more people than Reavers in a R rated movie.

[@jamesmallone]

Do they need to be successful in their task in order to be called a Death Squad?

[@slashandbones13]

X2 and Days of Future Past were also good but to each their own

[@jamesmallone]

Yeah, Bob mentioned in a later video, (The Apocaypse review I think) that he was "admitting he was wrong about DoFP" but never once made it clear he now thinks it wasn't as good as he originally said. Same thing as Dark Knight Rises, really.

[@RenSam22]

Yeah idk about the whole X-23 being a good role model for empowerment. My viewing was that she was raised as a weapon and now has to come to terms that violent badassery only leads to pain and isolation, and that it’s only through mentoring and the introduction of empathy that she’s able to grow. I feel like she’s more of an allegory for children soldiers and their reintegration to a sense of a stable community, and not necessarily a cool new R-rated child super hero. (To be fair though I did love her action scenes)

[@filipdobes8927]

So Shrek 2 is better then X-men 2? Absolutely NO!

[@jordansweet8054]

I think it's a bit faster paced,more enjoyable and watchable myself.

[@CalebByRamen]

To be fair Bob, I thought DOFP was also a GREAT movie in the Superhero genre. It had so much good stuff! The Iceslide IN LIVE ACTION!!! Sunspot flaming on was EPIC, Every fight scene in the bleak future was my childhood coming to life.

[@caseygibson7266]

I'm just wondering what the X-Men movies will do next after this. The First Class cast only has a 90s set movie before the somehow turn into the Original cast, Logan is set only 12 years from now and 6 years from the good future ending of DoFP which doesn't leave much time for the Original cast. Maybe something with the X-23 kids?

[@eon001]

Funny you mention Garfield's Spiderman in the beginning. I could have totally seen Sony getting there shit together and making a decent Garfield led Spiderman and redeem themselves the same way Logan did. But Sony panicked and made the Marvel deal.

[@umjackd]

As far as where to take the X-Men franchise, they've never really bothered with much continuity so really you could make any kind of story. Like, oh, I dunno. A real X-Men story that's actually about Xavier's dream of peaceful coexistence. Every time that comes up in any of these movies I get emotionally involved until it gets all wrapped up in standard superhero stuff.

[@kevtiz03]

With Deadpool 2, Cable could pull X-23 into their universe if they explore the alternate timelines

[@francis6775]

I still stand by my opinion that Moviebob's 'average' X-men movies are really good (Ok apart from X-men 1) and that the 'really bad ones' are actually Ok (apart from Origins: Wolverine, of course, which is terrible). I actually think Frist class and Deadpool are on par with the first X-men film in that they're pretty good but no amazing.

[@IQSim]

Everyone has his or her opinions. So far I found pretty much every X-Men movie to be mediocre while Origins was cringe-inducingly bad.

[@nitromagilou597]

I like most of the X-Men movies, and yeah I agree that Origins: Wolverine was pretty crap, but there was a pretty awesome tie-in game that's BETTER than the movie itself.

[@wdcain1]

I never saw what was so special about _First Class_. I liked it but only as much as I did X3 (I hated what they did to Emma Frost).

[@francis6775]

Don't get me wrong, I don't consider the x-men films works of genius or anything, but, apart from Origins: Wolverine, I think all of the films have their various charms. I still find the weird continuity errors and the slow/never aging of the prequel characters very annoying and distracting, though. Would it have been that damn hard to keep a record of how old each character is meant to be at each film/year and make them look how old they're meant to look?! Even Wolverine looks like he's in his late 40's, then early 30's then his 40's, again.

[@edwardgibbon2557]

The first two X-Men flicks were great. Or at least really good. First Class was good, but I don't get Bob here, I'm not sure what puts that in a higher category than 1 and 2. I don't even really remember it. I'd certainly rather sit through any of those films again than half the predictable schlock marvel puts in theaters. Like, according to Bob something like Dr Strange is a better movie.... I could genuinely hardly sit through that predictable, arbitrary, iron-man-but-with-pretend-sparkly-magic snore fest. The X men movies at least have a spark of intellectualism - believable social struggles, meta commentary on the individual vs society, a semi-plausible and interesting sci fi world. Great actors. I don't get it Bob...

[@The_Drewid]

Can anyone figure out why Bob still thinks First Class is good?

[@jamesmallone]

@Orion Burns Colorful yellow costumes instead of black leather, jazzy 60's James Bond tone and feel for some of the Xavier and Magneto stuff, basically the same reason he shits on the Nolan Batman films in retrospect when he was very much drooling all over The Dark Knight in his review of the film. For my money, First Class was only ever partly good. Xavier was good, Magneto was fantastic, back when the filmmakers didn't have to worry about giving him the same goddamn character arc in every film. Mystique and Hank were an admirable attempt to give these two very notable X-Men characters more material than they got in the Signer movies...and then you get to the actual X-Men team...which was woefully underused. This is where the movie kinda falls apart. Banshee, Angel Salvatore, Havoc and poor Darwin, these are characters that never got a chance because the filmakers were too busy making sure those Xavier and Magneto origins story movies finally got made and "oh well, I guess we have to fit an actual "X-Men" in there somewhere because otherwise it might tank". The villains, except for Kevin Bacon of course, were all disposable. I don't even like Emma Frost as a character but they still managed to waste her with January Jones. There's a reason literally every character I mentioned in the negative got killed off in the subsequent films and the only one that got any fanfare at all was the one that happened to be Scott Summer's older brother.

[@kemocali6504]

This is the review that made me get out my house to go see it, even when I said I wasn't going to see another X-men disappointment. *OMG THIS MOVIE IS GOOD* , 4.8 outta 5 👍

[@Linny95]

"He's only ever a movie star when he's Wolverine" What?

[@jamesmallone]

I guess he's taking a shot at Les Miserables?

[@sonicjrjr14]

To this day I still don't understand his love for First Class. It's all right, but compared to X2 or Days of Future Past?

[@idawg7332]

I still don't understand how he thinks first class and deadpool are the only good x men movies but then praises every mcu movie even though xmen, x2, first class, and days of future past have way more substance than most mcu movies

[@idawg7332]

Well its true, most mcu movies are bloated movies driven by action and humor not character, themes, or story

[@Crimsonwolf1923]

3.5 stars. Not enough emo Spider-Man dancing in the movie

[@Tit0Matic]

I'm just sad we never got to see Hugh Jackman in an Avengers movie

[@jiado6893]

I think X2 was really great. but I think Bob is right about the comparison to Shrek. 1 to 2.

[@OmegaSoypreme]

A bit of a spoiler and some speculation: Does anyone else suspect that the young Wolverine clone was maybe originally going to be Liev Schrieber reprising his role as Sabertooth? I think so, and it kinda makes me sad. Origins may have been shite but I still think he was perfect for that role.

[@DerpinPON3]

OK, seriously, it's about time you realize how much you are exaggerating just how bad Andrew Garfeild, and at least the first Amazing Spider-Man film was. I'm a lifelong, die hard Spidey fan myself, and I don't see how there isn't things to appreciate about Andrew and the first Amazing film. Honestly, after you wrote a three part piece gushing over Sam Raimi, and then making a video about how thinking Spider-Man 3 is bad is wrong over on the Escapist, I'm inclined to believe that you are really just an uber Raimi fanboy kinda salty his franchise with Spidey was ended prematurely. I mean, I love Raimi too for making one of my most beloved film franchises ever (Evil Dead), but just be freaking honest about your bias instead of disguising it in a rather arrogant way about how much you allegedly know better. The jabs have gotten beyond petty at this point so you're not fooling anyone.

[@DarkwyndPT]

This movie will make the character of Gabby famous. Who's Gabby, you ask. Go read All-New Wolverine to find out.

[@ianlevinson2390]

Hugh Jackman was in several great movies: xmen, xmen2, days of future past. First class is also great. Deadpool is good. The wolverine and apocalypse were fine nothing special. Origins and last stand are the only truly bad ones.

[@ArtSurroundsYouAll]

I have been a huge comic book fan since the 70's and I still am!!! I never thought I would see the characters that I read about in the comics come onto the big screen, but its been amazing to see these characters but it may sound ungrateful but that's only because I was a fan way before these characters were even considered for the big screen, but their have been some really bad movies adapted from the comics, a lot of mistakes and also characters completely altered from their comic persona. I think Hugh Jackman is a fine actor but for me he was cast wrong to play the Wolverine right from the beginning. It doesn't help that he himself admitted he knew nothing about the character from the comics and he only took the time to read up on the character when he made Wolverine Origins (how inaccurate was that film). Wolverine is a small stocky guy, covered in hair, a feral type and he was also wild animal traumatized from the treatment that made him who he was. Yet in the X-Men franchise and the separate Wolverine movies he's played by a 6'1 Hugh Jackman who looks more pumped up in Wolverine Origins which is set before X-Men 1 and when he's in X-Men 1 looks half the size??. Then he has always looked like he's been strategically shaved to show muscle definition, yet the true look of the Wolverine is much more animistic. The Wolverine Origins was a disaster and 90% wasn't accurate to the comics. Now I may come across as I believe the term is 'fan boy' or just to geeky, but comics for me in the 70's, 80's were somewhere I could immerse myself into and forget about all the crap stuff that was I going through as a kid, so its important the stories of these characters are done right and along with other comic book movies a lot have been created inaccurately. Why don't they get someone in to produce and then direct a comic book movie from a stand point that they know what they are doing!!..

[@RadicalTzar]

Bob, the deliberately mean, dark, and hopeless movie you're thinking of comparing it to is Schindler's List.

[@ocsartobi6844]

Okay that sold me. Disappointment as a theme that they deliver on actually sound appealing. I seriously was going to skip this one and now I might go this weekend.

[@jensensev9416]

Why does the Logan poster look like a direct copy of Schindler's List's poster?

[@Need_Sleep240]

Man, you can just hear the cringe in bob's voice every time he says a good thing about this movie.

[@VioletGrey]

Good, so it isn't just me that thinks he loves hating things more than he loves loving them.

[@cel9347]

Yes lol

[@jamesmallone]

He clearly wants to praise it purely as a subversion of itself ("You're going to be disappointed"; see also The Last Jedi) but I think most people just thought it was awesome at face value because R-rated Wolverine at last, interesting, less action-schlock story with Jackman and Patrick Stewart, X-23, post-apocalypse and morose tone (I mean, I am capital-S sick of the downbeat Walking Dead style setting at this point, but I can't hold it against the movie) And again, sendoff for Jackman who's clearly earned it by this point. He's reluctantly praising it because he doesn't like the film series. He did the same thing for Days of Future Past. Which makes one wonder, will he change his mind and call Logan a bad movie in a few years?

[@Beretta249]

Last line of this review "Logan is the real fucking deal." Your interpretation: moviebob did't like it. My reaction? "k."

[@R3GARnator]

X-23 in the comics was never conceived as a 'female wolverine'. She had her own journey. Equating her with wolverine dishonors and dismisses her uniqueness and social disorders.

[@ImmaChiaotzu1]

This movie was fantastic. This would be a fitting end to the whole X-Men universe. Create a new continuity with Legion, any upcoming TV shows, Deadpool and New Mutants. Ignore the X-Men going forward and take your time Fox. Let directors do their own thing. Hell this "new" continuity can easily be integrated to something else... using multiple dimensions and astral planes.

[@ZSwierczynski]

I personally three. First Class / DOFP / Logan.

[@Carlos-ln8fd]

bob you really are the only person that thinks that the x2 and days of future past are bad films

[@Nickman826]

Carlos The only X-Men films I like are Deadpool and the first one. The rest are various shades of ok or just plain bad

[@Carlos-ln8fd]

Nicolas Young well of course everyone can have their own opinion but i think it's super weird that Bob just takes for granted that everyone dislikes all X-Men movies apart from Deadpool and First Class. Like, last time I checked X2 is in every list of "best comic book movies" I've ever read.

[@zachfox9140]

Carlos not in mine, I agree with Bob on most points when it comes to the Xmen movies, I've certainly never seen X2 in any best comic movie list.

[@Jayfive276]

He said they were 'average'. How is 'average' mean 'bad' when he speaks about films that are bad two seconds later? Are you that stupid?

[@alex1sandulache]

You misspelled "strictly average"... Or you didn't listen to a word he said and just assumed he said "bad"... Or you are unable to understand English even though, paradoxically, you wrote your comment in English... Just laying out all the possibilities...

[@sudevsen]

If I ate a burger every time he says "the X-Men franchise sucks" I would be as fat as Bob

[@Toastcat890]

I assume they are going to follow X-23 and the other kids pop out a couple of movies before they do a reboot and I'm assuming with the Gambit movie in the works he will replace Wolverine in the reboot.

[@JesseC86]

Loved this movie. Just saw it yesterday and it blew me away. The fight scenes in particular were awesome. Loved X-23.

[@nono9543]

So where does Caliban fit into all of this?

[@notsosuperpete1689]

Oh he's in there. For my money I really liked him. I usually hate Stephen Merchant, but he was really good as Caliban.

[@jamesmallone]

@@notsosuperpete1689 See I really liked him in part because I kept thinking "Heh heh, it's Wheatley from Portal 2, that's awesome." Honestly, he's an underrated highlight of the movie who very much gets overlooked by the powerhouse stardom of Jackman and Stewart, who are of course fantastic in this.

[@thepanpiper7715]

I won't lie, I've been naively hoping for a while now that the next movie!Batman reboot we get will be Dick Grayson as Batman and Damian Wayne as Robin. If this movie helps bring it about, I won't be mad at it, no matter how horribly it breaks my heart.

[@Altorin]

Every single thing that you said about jackman could be said about Stewart in this too. He is also very much tied to Xavier and was also not in the two best movies.

[@jamesmallone]

You know, that's totally true. I didn't even think of that. I think he's giving ol' Jean Luc special treatment because of his fondness for classic Trek, Stewart's long, accomplished acting career and that whole he mentioned in one of his videos about Stewarts Jean Luc and Xavier being "welcoming" and making the young wizards/mutants feel welcome at Hogwarts/Xavier Institute. Idealized father figure? I wonder what Bob would think of the Gifted? Though I'd guess he would fucking love the drugged-up indy project disguised as a X-Men spinoff that is Legion (In all serious, though Legion is pretty fucking awesome, weird, but awesome)

[@connorbrennan4233]

Bryan Singer's first three X-Men films average? I think not.

[@Jellybob69]

Orion Burns, what are you talking about? Days of Future Past holds up incredibly well. It's easily one of the best comic book movies ever made.

[@connorbrennan4233]

laz kar I meant the first two and DOFP. Bryan Singer didn"t direct The Last Stand.

[@joseaguilar3323]

I half expected him to hate it because it isn't a Marvel movie.

[@lnsflare1]

In defense of X-Men Origins: Wolverine, while the rest of it was a tire fire, Sabertooth and Wade Wilson (NOT "Deadpool") were awesome in that film.

[@firefly4f4]

Saw it last night and only have a couple of complaints: 1 I swear the professor says "f***" more than Logan. I suppose you can attribute that to his condition, but it came across as Stewart just wanting to swear. 2 It took 9 movies for them to finally let the character be THE character.

[@Nickman826]

firefly4f4 Him swearing a lot is definitely the condition. Dementia and other related conditions can give their sufferers a huge sailor mouth

[@firefly4f4]

I figured, although him being more educated I thought would lessen it. A great uncle of mine with I think a form of dementia just kept re-reading Shakespeare books and never went that route, but I've heard stories of others. I just never saw Xavier as being the type who would do that. Re-reading my post, I meant ot say MINOR complains. I rate the film a 9 / 10 on my scale; probably the second best X-Men film behind only Deadpool (Edit: I like the others -- even Origins and X-3, for all their faults -- at the very least far more than Bob, although I agree with him on Apocalypse).

[@Linny95]

This video had little criticisms. Majority is just talking about the studio politics or continuity issues. When Bob does discuss Logan, he's just summarising the film and saying how it's good or bad, but that's not a critique.

[@GraceKi92]

- X-Men was a good film, it did a good job of establishing superheros... some of the dialogue however is questionable. lol - X-Men 2 was fantastic - X-Men: Days of Future Past was fantastic... how dare you call it average. -The rest could have been a lot better; didn't bother watching Origins. - Logan was phenomenal, it was so much better than I ever thought it would or could be. Also the first Superhero movie where I shed a tear or twelve.

[@LopezTalks]

Just wait for my review, guys.

[@shawndiaz7528]

why tho

[@LopezTalks]

Shawn Diaz you'll be happy you found me.

[@georgelmfao]

If this is the film that new X-Men films pick up from, I don't want Marvel to get their hands on X-Men. Bob, how can you not see where these movies go from here? They with the Xavier/Magneto dichotomy being replaced by Laura (are we calling her Wolverine?) and kid Magneto (right? The kid who lifted the car who is ambiguously psychic or magnetic?) as they try to forge a new mutant community up north. This movie is how you reboot a franchise!!! Can we get a teen drama where the family dynamics fall apart and the kids drift away from each other as they mature into adults? If we must do trilogies, this would be the first trilogy. And then the sequel trilogy would be Wolverine's X-Men as they work against nefarious threats as they try eke out an existence to convince the world that they deserve equal rights and not to be treated like weapons to be aimed. -- and then we have the Fantastic Four to give us cosmic stuff where we see what happens on other marvel planets where the X gene was wiped out.

[@GaiashKetoji]

Bob I know you hate those Amazing Spider-Man movies and all but this mention of them doesn't even work. The thing about them most people feel worked was the casting of Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone.

[@robjoe5364]

Would u be disappointed if they used this to make sequels?

[@xshadowscreamx]

Rob Joe I would like to see more Laura.

[@MichaelJ9999]

Do not actually blindly take your kids to this movie unless you've already given up on taking responsibility for their development. Gore-wise they could probably handle it, but it's phenomenally violent and transmits feelings of aggression, bloodlust and hatred in the total absence of mature, healthy and constructive conflict resolution or it's conviction to challenge the cycle of violence. They may also find it unsettling and distressing in parts, depending on their age. The awe of seeing Laura be awesome would be the one pro, which I advise on balance is probably not worth it,

[@princessjello]

i didn't even bother trying to muffle my crying in the theater lol ;_;

[@cashcurtis]

I took my 16 year old daughter, she was blown away.

[@pelgervampireduck]

x men 1, 2 and days of future past are good!. by the way, I wonder what timeline is this, like "does this take place in the corrected timeline after days of future past and apocalypse or does this take place in the bad timeline of 3?"

[@Nickman826]

kainthevampireduck neither apparently

[@blastmedia3218]

Why do so many idiots think that Logan is r rated because of deadpool? Fun fact; films take longer than a year to be written, filmed, edited and then released

[@prince_nocturne]

Where to go with the X-men... so, the 'prequel' trilogy always skips about a decade between each one. First class: 60's, Days of Future Past: 70's, Apocalypse: 80's. And then... the original X-men movies, in the 90's. So they've 'caught up' so to speak. I'd say that, with the movie Logan seemingly ending on a very bleak note from what little I've heard (haven't seen, obviously), that now is the best time for a franchise reboot. Use Deadpool as a springboard for it. That version of Colossus never existed before that movie, same with Negasonic Teenage Warhead (still the coolest fucking name ever). Use that as a new x-men universe to go off into a more light-hearted, more comic-book friendly version. Not saying that they should all be comedies or R rated, no, but it would be a good restart point, and it not only already has laid groundwork for it, but has a kick ass movie to start it, and a fan base that would eat it up. And the best time for that is right now. Let the old actors go, they're older now, many of them have moved on. ....y'know, that, or play ball with marvel like Sony and fucking include them in the MCU post-Thanos. Somehow... Marvel's smart, they'll figure it out somehow.

[@Acorn_Anomaly]

1:27 Is it just me, or does that "child" hand appear to be way too long? It feels like you shouldn't be able to see the end of Laura's fingers with the angle Logan's hand is at.

[@NoeLPZC]

I thought that too.

[@paulmcauley3944]

Y'know, listening to Bob describe the tone of the film, I couldn't help but think that that directly corresponds to most of the current crop of DC films, particularly BvS. I'm sure it's more nuanced than that for deeper quality reasons, but what he's describing sounds like a depressing slog to watch.

[@hectorjiminez731]

X2 was a good Logan movie too...The rest I agree on with being mediocre to bad. I actually like Apocalypse more than 1st Class though!

[@haedencouturier3519]

I don't get why you don't like X-Men 1, 2 or DOFP. I think they're all great. I understand why you'd hate Apocalypse though.

[@francis6775]

Also, can someone explain what the disease that is killing Wolverine is? I'm guessing it was explained either in Xmen Apocolypse, which I didn't see or in a single line in Logan that someone coughed during or something.

[@petore6]

The adamantium is poisoning him

[@sampiaggio9534]

So minor spoilers... kind of. It's suggested that the adamantium has been poisoning him and that while his regeneration has protected him up to this point it's now at it's breaking point. It's not really covered specifically in the film except that they say that Logan knows whats killing him and then later he refers to the adamantium as "this poison you put in me".

[@francis6775]

Ok, I'm assuming that new timeline wolverine was poisoned during the weapon x program in 1983 (Xmen apocalypse) and this caught up with him in 2029?

[@sampiaggio9534]

Basically yeah. Now my comics knowledge is somewhat rusty so don't quote me on this but I think the idea was that it was poisoning him because the process that bonded the adamantium to his skeleton hadn't been perfected yet.

[@InfernGame]

fyz 306903 Logan takes place in a seperate timeline

[@Kaefer1973]

Since we always have to add 1 Star to every X-Men movie he reviews, does that mean this movie exceeds 4/4 perfection?

[@cafeterialoca]

Will Marvel even be able to do anything with the X-Men license? I mean, they are using up all the big stories already.

[@keirtanaka2929]

So basically quite literally The Last of Logan|

[@LoganLS0]

X-2 was a good movie especially in 2003. It's not great but it was good.

[@raggedcritical]

That the early X-Men movies were average is not a commonly held view. Most people loved them, especially 2. DoFP is also highly regarded. So the movie studio's calculus was likely a hell of a lot different to what Bob's describing since his views are decidedly minority - hell, if they were commonly held then there probably wouldn't be an X-Men universe at all and Logan wouldn't have been made. You can say that they haven't held up well and I'd agree with you - I just don't think it matters.

[@aquacamel]

Why Shrek reference?