Revisiting the DOWNFALL of Pirates of the Caribbean | Video Essay

[@vsznry]

TL;DR They turned Jack from a crazed genius pulling strings... into a bumbling madman, to whom shit just happens and he reacts.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

Typical modern woke treatment of a male character

[@queenb2450]

Clearly you don't understand Jack Sparrow as a character if you put "genius" anywhere near him. He's ALWAYS been a go through life person that reacts to things and somehow pulls the strings of utter chaos and "go with the flow". The trilogy makes this part of his charm where he makes an excellent pirate because of that. To say Jack Sparrow ever pulls strings or PLANS is a total mischaracterization.

[@anrick1362]

@@queenb2450YOU don’t understand Jack’s character. I hope your comment was sarcasm. Just off the top of my head, in the first movie Jack comes up with a plan to get back the black pearl all from learning Will’s name. Things only go wrong for him because Will finds out that Jack was using him as leverage. He for sure has to improvise occasionally, but he clearly plans a lot of it out and uses people as he sees fit to get what he wants.

[@BrianMiles755]

turned him into Mr.Magoo

[@numberjuan469]

no thanks to johnny depp being an imbecile and drunk on set

[@mohammedosman3524]

First rule of Pirates of the Caribbean fandom, the 4th instalment doesn't exist and Salazar's curse or dead men or whatever the hell you're gonna call it, is not canon.

[@malikhaidar]

Of course there's no 4th installment. POC is a trilogy, like LOTR. A masterpiece.

[@darkscoutergamer6168]

Im gonna watch the last 2 first time soon🤣😭

[@HungL0W]

Meaning to say, watch the last 2 films first?

[@Pinkmen-ho3fz]

Very similar to the transformers Micheal Bay films as the first 3 go together well and the fourth film dose its own thing sort of and the fifth one brings back the original characters

[@vadamsvengeance3219]

I dont associate with any fandom

[@bobbbbEE]

Pirates 5 makes me so mad. Will is not cursed to captain the dutchman, someone has to do the job. If the "curse" is lifted then there will be no one to guide the souls to the afterlife. At world's end solved the problem of Davy Jones having no desire to do the job he was given by replacing him with Will. Will has a loyal wife, his father as first mate, and a strong moral compass to guide him. He is the perfect captain of the Dutchman. This movie treats the solution as a problem and ignores completely the original problem. They also show Will growing barnacles and becoming a fishman basically which is only supposed to happen if he isn't doing his job.

[@jessejive1174]

They should have just had Elizabeth become a part of the crew. She would just have eternal life with her husband as they do one of the most important and moral jobs in the universe together and they’d still remain hot. Not only do women can be pirates so there’s nothing preventing that, but she was literally a lord of the Pirates. lol Or maybe they could’ve written a reason why the Dutchman wouldn’t let her become a part of the crew and solved that instead? You could’ve still had the sun want to break the curse for his dad even though his mom told him he shouldn’t do that, but he wants to be with his father and he wants to be with her husband, but in the end he gives up his mom and his dad so they can live happily, and literally, forever after. Broke the curse where you can’t step on land and be able to step on whenever he wants to and he can see them every week or whenever.

[@parthpatil621]

Uk about the barnacles thing I read a theory somewhere saying that Will's son had tried multiple times trying to talk to his father or search the Dutchman and it being the job of Dutchman's captain to guide the souls that died in the seas, Will just couldn't do that to his son so will kept saving his son without him knowing and doing so going against code of captain and hence the curse started to act like that i.e the barnacles and his crew getting hostile and stuff

[@DM_Dad]

You're not wrong, but it wasn't even about that. it was about Jack sacrificing his desire to live forever to let Will live in for Will and Elizabeth. Jack was finally not being selfish. He finally cares about somebody other than himself and is willing to go off into the sunset and die to allow his friends to live on in their love. And even that's not perfect because of the rules of the Dutchman

[@bobbbbEE]

@DM_Dad that's a sign of good writing that one scene can do multiple things for the story and its characters.

[@fabianhernandez2724]

Calipso gave the compass to Jack, not a random captain that appears from nowhere

[@flozenen6468]

What downfall? The trilogy is brilliant.

[@HeheSloth]

Well there are 2 more movies so ...

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK. MOVIE OVERLOAD 😊😊😊😊😊

[@flozenen6468]

@@HeheSloth don't know what you're talking about.

[@serenitynow85]

The perfect trilogy indeed

[@DB5652-v3r]

@@flozenen6468 exactly

[@delix787]

The reason why Beckett did not fire his cannons because he uses dialogue for his weapon. He threatens people with deals and negotiation. Beckett literally had nothing left to work with at the end of the movie. So using weapons would be completely out of his character. Beckett’s character is similar to Hans Londa from inglorious bastards. He doesn’t need a weapon his personality and words from his mouth is what brings fear as a weapon.

[@maxvandoorn3799]

*Landa expect for that yup perfectly written.

[@giovannibertaina2621]

Also, I think Pirates of the Caribbean is equally about Will and Elizabeth. As you said on this video, these three characters’ relationship was enjoyable to watch in the trilogy. While you could potentially base a Pirates movie solely on Jack, you better keep the same writers, and even when they did bring Will and Elizabeth back, the trilogy was such a great conclusion that I wouldn’t even wanna see a continuation to that story.

[@jessejive1174]

It’s not equal. You could definitely have spin off movies with Jack as the main character and not have Will and Elizabeth. I find it very very unlikely that people would like it without Jack at all.

[@joshslater2426]

It might also be the fact that they keep adding Will and Elizabeth substitutes. Phillip and Sirena have at least some decent ideas even if their relationship is a bit weird, but Henry Turner and Carina have little going for them. The former does look like a fusion of Orlando Bloom and Kiera Knightley but is really bland, and the latter comes off as a loud mouthed feminist who thinks she’s more knowledgeable than everyone else.

[@redt8311]

Personally I think Potc 1-3 was pretty much perfection imo. Potc 4 was still a good movie it just felt oddly like a spin off or extended epilogue. Overall it really was an unnecessary movie but a good one. Now potc 5… despite being closely connected to the main storyline of the original 3 overall it just wasn’t good. However, the final scene of that movie was excellent. That seane alone justified everything that happened after potc 3. That was about as close too perfect of an ending to the entire potc storyline as we could get. But I can accept that it will likely just be the ending of Johnny Depp’s potc storyline. Considering Potc 6 is almost inevitable to happen sooner or later.

[@DiegoMatos-u6u]

I feel like On Stranger Tides is an Underrated Gem, and the direction is perfect and it ended Jack Sparrow’s arc perfectly until Dead Man Tell No Tales Ruins it.

[@GRogers4097]

Jack, Gibbs, Barbossa we’re amazing in On Stranger Tides, Angelica was awesome, and Blackbeard was a great new villain. And of course my absolute favorites were Philip and Syrena, and I will defend their characters to my dying breath❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@theferrarist1062]

Idk, the villain's motivations still don't make sense to me and the movie is never visually on par with its predecessors

[@GRogers4097]

@@DiegoMatos-u6u I’ve also written a blog about how On Stranger Tides is an underrated gem and why I consider it to be a great film with a good story and good characters, as well as complementing the amazing direction, visuals, and score

[@ronaldellis5793]

I used to hate it, but a recent rewatch surprised me with how delightful it is. It doesn't reach the heights of Verbinski's films, but It's a solid epilogue to his trilogy, and a fitting sendoff to jack's character.

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

100th like

[@alexandelsosa7718]

I will never ever apologize for loving On Stranger Tides. It ties with World's End and the series peaked at Dead Man's Chest for me.

[@GRogers4097]

I understand On Stranger Tides might not be as big or monumental as At World’s End, but that doesn’t make it any less good PS: I may be disappointed that Philip and Syrena weren’t in this movie, but man am I glad Sam and Astrid weren’t a part of this embarrassing dumpster fire. They deserve so much better than Dead Men Tell Bad Tales

[@captainredfield1179]

I agree with that. 1 and 2 are the best for me. 3 and 4 are both fine and I like them but have some flaws. 5 sucked.

[@clayongunzelle9555]

Will and Elizabeth are the heart of the story, once they weren't involved anymore they made the story started to revolve around Jack which is when shit hit the fan

[@noahjessup9342]

If you rewatch the first movie, you'll see it's actually a dual protagonist movie and neither of them are Jack. Elizabeth was introduced first with Will following shortly thereafter. We even had a whole scene in which Will presents the governor with a sword he made and stumbles over himself in front of Elizabeth because he's absolutely smitten by her and can't figure out the right thing to say. THEN we get introduced to Jack. The only times we see Jack without Will or Elizabeth is because he's part of the setup to a story beat that involves them. Jack is messing with the guards at the docks about stealing a ship, so he can be there when Elizabeth falls into the water. Jack is taken to jail so that Will can easily find him after deciding he's going to rescue Elizabeth himself instead of wait for the Navy. Otherwise we'd have 45 minutes of Will wandering around Port Royale trying to find Jack. The movies started to center around Jack starting with Dead Man's Chest, which while I think it and At World's End are great films, the writing is objectively worse and less inventive than Curse of the Black Pearl.

[@spzm3x]

Deadman tell no tales made me appreciate how amazing the production for stranger tides was, from the music to all these beautiful on site locations. If anyone gets the the chance to watch the behind the scenes on set for stranger tides. It provides good insight and what the producers and directors were trying to do moving forward after gore. Seems there was a ton of studio meddling.

[@alexman378]

As far as the writing for Jack in the end goes, they completely forgot that he’s following the Art Of War the entire time; “look weak when you’re strong, look strong when you’re weak”. He portrays himself as a harmless dumb clown when he’s in reality smart, resourceful and very dangerous. They went so hard in his facade, that they made it his actual personality.

[@martins.muleya5742]

11:14 this is the most powerful scene in POTC because those few seconds of Jack's reaction shows us who he truly is deep down. A man that actually cares for his friends.

[@stevenwhoward87]

Without a doubt, Becket's death is one of the greatest cinematic deaths in film and perhaps the greatest VFX scene ever made.

[@ZeldasMask]

Dropped off when Orlando and Keira left

[@lautaroasis60]

1:41 nice ad for scammers, thanks for promoting them when they have been exposed like 40 times by now

[@asobimo5532]

Literally just commented that. Taking sponsorship from them after all they've done is certainly a *choice* 👀

[@lautaroasis60]

20:00 Will shouldn't have turned... Fishy. As long as he didn't corrupt his purpose to take the dead at sea to the other side, he shouldn't have been corrupted physically

[@thelonesculler]

If there were no fish people, there'd be no need for the 5th movie

[@DarkEnv2]

Another issue I have with Dead Men Tell No Tales is it actually breaks the cannon of the first 3 movies with Jack’s origins and it doesn’t make a ton of sense with Carina being Barbossa’s daughter. In Dead Man’s Chest we find out Jack bartered the compass from Tia Dalma and in this movie it shows Jack was gifted the compass after saving the crew from Salazar. For Carina the timelines just don’t seem to line up well. This story takes place 21 years after At World’s End. We know Barbossa took the Pearl after At World’s End and eventually lost it to Black Beard along with his leg and then made it his purpose to find and kill Black Beard and after doing so took his ship and sailed the seas once more which all took place years after At World’s End. Sometime in between On Stranger Tides and Dead Men Tell No Tales Barbossa fathers Carina and leaves her at an orphanage. That’s a very tight timeline for things to line up. It can work but it feels very messy.

[@tomatosoup1304]

Also it's implied that Jack knew who Barbossa's lover was, as in personally, and it's implied they were together for a while which also doesn't make sense. Barbossa was busy amassing a pirate army and Jack was being washed up at the same time. In order for this dynamic works, it would've occured when Jack and Barbossa were still friends, which was BEFORE Curse of the Black Pearl which would make Carina wayyy too old (The Black Pearl crew were cursed for 8 years and it was impossible for them to have been able to reproduce and this doesn't take into account how long after the mutiny they were cursed). Dead Men Tell No Tales implies that Barbossa had an ex-lover and came back, fathered a child with her, left again, came back to discover a child, put the child in the orphanage whilst becoming a powerful pirate. But Barbossa is really old at this point, I doubt he could even be able to have a child

[@AlbertoFolres]

Disney disrespected Depp because they thought that he was guilty, they wanted the fans to hate him and move on

[@tomatosoup1304]

Stranger Tides is very underrated. It's a fun DLC, Jack is still clever, Blackbeard is ruthless, Angelica is charming and different enough from Elizabeth to be her own person, the music is fun and the mermaid scene gives me shivers every time. It works as a solo Jack Sparrow spin-off. Dead Men Tell No Tales is heinous: 1) Jack's backstory is completely altered. Jack gets his compass from Tia Dalma but in this he gets it from a random pirate captain. Him also being a pirate from his youth alters Beckett giving him the Piracy brand, so he would've become a pirate as AN ADULT. 2) Carina being Barbossa's daughter doesn't fit the timeline. Jack seemingly knows who Barbossa's lover was but how would he? It's only possible when they were friends which is approx. 8 years before the plot of the first film began. Theoretically, Barbossa could've reunited with his lover after the third film but he's....really old, and likely his lover was too. Plus during the fourth film he's pirate hunting and after that film, he was busy making his pirate army so...when did he have the time? 3) Lack of Will and Elizabeth in a story ABOUT THEM

[@julieb.5860]

So well articulated. And I agree completely! I sometimes don't know which one of the first 3 is my favorite. I guess it depends on my mood. Today I rewatched Stranger Tides, and afterwards I thought, do I have to watch 5? I've never made it through the first 10 minutes. Remember when you finished one of the first 2 movies and you were excited about watching the next one, even though you've seen it many times? That is gone now. I dread the next one I hear they are making.

[@gingerpotter21]

What disappoints me in the 4th film is that in the trilogy before, the world building was amazing you really felt the world was lived in but in this one and the one after you feel like that has been drasticaly toned down and they barely connect to what came before, jack didnt seem to have a goal in the 4th movie and literally got kidnapped and forced to be in the narrative, blackbeards motivations are bizarre he will be killed by a one legged man so he needs the fountain to avoid that ? Im assuming if youre younger youre not gonna be immune to being stabbed by a one legged man or by any man with a sword for that matter. And it just feels like blackbeard came out of nowhere, like where was he in the 3rd movie since he is this big pirate that all pirates fear ? If he was this big player i would assume he wouldve played a role in the big battle that decided the fate of all pirates in the 3rd movie. They couldve made a cool connection to davey jones to explain that absence, What if blackbeard was a big pirate years ago that commanded the seas with everyone fearing him for years and his big army of pirates owing all of that to a deal he made with davey jones that gave him his magical sword that controls ships just like jack did a deal with davey jones to bring back his black pearl, but unlike jack when it was time to pay up blackbeard runs away to land giving up his pirating ways forever afraid of davey jones and never going back to the sea so he wont face him, showing the parallels between him and jack where one faced there fear and defeated the devil while the other ran away like a coward and like what jack wouldve become if he did succumb to his own fears like he almost did. Fast forward a few decades later a year after davey jones is dead and theres a vacuum in power that needs to be filled, with blackbeards only reason thats keeping him away from the sea having died he can finaly come back and rebuild his army that he once had to take over the seas again, but after decades of waiting the man has become too old and no longer has a crew and needs to recover the years that he has lost and thats why he goes for the fountain of youth. You can split this story into 2 movies even with the first having blackbeard have a white beard cause of his age making him almost unrecognizable, and his ship being like a ghost ship with no one on it but him controlling it with his sword to wreak havoc on the sees collecting pirate ships and adding them to his own ship turning it into a gigantic frankenstein monster type of ship as well as collecting special pirate ships like the plack pearl in his bottles for a future armada he is building for when he gets back his youth as well as enslaving pirates to become his crew members with voodoo, with one of the ships he captures being the black pearl captained by barbossa who escapes and becomes a privateer for the british and passes on the information of the black pearl to jack sparrow in an attempt to recruit him so the british navy can find the fountain of youth first but it leads to jack wanting to bargain with blackbeard to get his black pearl back in exchange to leading blackbeard to the fountain of youth that he is looking for, the plot would revolve around blackbeard looking for the fountain of youth and jack sparrow who has the navigational charts that leads to the fountain with jack trying to manipulate the whole situation jumping from blackbeard to the royal navy both in a race to reach the fountain with also a bretheren court member trying to prevent blackbeard from reaching his goal fearing another rule of horrors over the seas under blackbeard, with jack manipulating all sides so can also get both his black pearl but also to get to the fountain of youth and finaly get his immortality while he still struggles with knowing if thats what he truly wants and with this movie ending with blackbeard recovering his youth and his iconic black beard after a deseperate struggle that makes jack choose between his black pearl and immortality leading him to choose the black pearl as blackbeard frees it from the bottle it was in but in exchange getting what he wants by drinking from the fountain of youth and restoring his youth while jack escapes with his black pearl and the second movie having blackbeard want to be the pirate king, since before when there was no king he needed the court to vote him in which wouldve never happened but now that there is a king they can add a rule in the narrative that a new king can be crowned after killing the old one paving the way for elizabeth to reenter the narrative and will to come back to protect his wife, while he struggles between choosing to protect his wife and his duties as captain of the flying dutchman which is the only ship that is immune to blackbeards powers, yet will choosing to get involved puts him at risk to start transforming into what davey jones transformed into long ago, and with the bretheren court returning not wanting to serve under a tyranical rule of horrors under blackbeard like the years prior where he ruled the seas, but with elizabeth being reluctant to take up her duties as king since she has resigned herself to live a normal life as a mother away from the seas but eventually gets forced to get involved with blackbeard out on the hunt for her wanting to kill her, with the climax of the 5th movie being between blackbeards rebuilt army vs the bretheren court and all their army under king elizabeth all while jack is jumping around from side to side manipulating the whole situation with his loyalty to elizabeth and will being tested especially since its his fault that blackbeard is hunting elizabeth after what happened in the last movie, all while finaly coming to terms with his immortality and freedom that he always was looking for.

[@Gaius2k]

This would be amazing!!!! You could even loosely connect Blackbeard's absence to his historical retirement in Bath, North Carolina. And they could have ended it with a Third Film, (making it another trilogy) wherein despite defeating Blackbeard, the war between Blackbeard's Army and Elizabeth's Army fundamentally weakened the Pirates overall, making them easy pickings for the colonial powers who are continuing to expand and develop the New World. This in turn would force Jack have to confront the impending extinction of the Pirate Life, everything he has every known. Something which was only hinted about in At World's End. If done properly this storyline could have been similar to RDR2, as the Van der Linde Gang must reckon with the end of the Wild West, trying to survive in a world wherein they are relics to be forgotten or destroyed. In the case of Jack, sure he may have immortality, but what is the point if the world he loved is gone, forcing him to live forever in a world he despises. It really could have been a powerful statement. And if they really wanted to, they could have had him leaving the Caribbean seeking adventure elsewhere, whether in North Africa (as a Barbary Pirate), or the Orient; which in turn would have opened the door for spin-offs, making even more money for Disney.

[@Icy_Cream94]

Great ideas; I also always thought POTC 5 should've continued the story of Blackbeard core of characters, but also expanding it, bringing back the character from the original trilogy. I think the 5th movie should've been about Angelica trying to revive Black beard in order to get revenge towards Jack for being left to die. To achieve those goals, she would probably allie with Barbossa (if we consider he didn't took place on 4th movie, but instead of him had been Norrington who had killed Blackbeard) and plan to do some forbidden ritual to Calypso. To sum up, the ritual goes wrong, and Barbossa is possesed by Blackbeards spirit, who now wants to revive his own body, but to do it, he will need to do another ritual envolving using the Dead men's Chest to attract the the Flying Dutch in order to reunite her soul with Davy Jones's soul, reaching the godess on fullpower mode once again. They could also bring Henry as a side character, who seeks the help of Jack in order to find and free his father. On the mean time, the bad character also should've kidnapped Elizabeth at Port Royal, which also brings Will on the seek of protecting his family from the bad guys. Also during the course of the story, Angelica would realize she was being manipulated all the time by her father, creating a internal conflict between helping Black beard and achieves her revenge towards Jack, or allie with Jack (who would still have a romance with her) and get freed from her father's abuse. They could also bring back a love triangle situation, but this time between Jack, Elizabeth and Angelica; creating some more jealousy sparks between Jack and Angelica. At the end of the story, the characters would fight against Blackbeard and his allies on his island. But despite the efforts of the heroes, the villain achieves to foulfill the ritual, leaving Barbossa's Corpse, what not only brings him back to conscience, but also revives Blackbeard to life on human body, alongside with Davy Jones and Calypso. Then the movie ends with the godess leading a reunion of the three great Villains of the Franchise on a new alliance to dominate the seas. The protagonists core are divided on two; while Jack and Angelica are captured by Blackbeard on his ship, Will, Elizabeth and Henry are trapped on the island, while watch the death of Gibbs due to injuries; who reveals to have two secret kids living at shipwreck City. Last scene shows those two new young characters, talking to each other at the pirate town, while the Calypso Alliance ships prepare to invade the town. The post credits scene shows a retired Norrington at his mansion, being called once again by the British crown to hunt down the Pirates to the end once more. The 6th movie is an ultimatum to the franchise, reuniting all of the characters for a last farewell, also passing the torch to the younger characters, Henry and the supposed Gibbs kids, to be protagonists of a new franchise, focused on exploring the hidden treasures of a untamed America around the early 19th century, changing it to a bit of a western setting.

[@missladyhaha]

On Stranger Tides could’ve been great. First trilogy ended Will’s and Elizabeth’s story. The fourth film could’ve started a new trilogy. Angelica being the first villain leading to Blackbeard actually being real. Have the black Pearl and crew fully come back on the fifth film and continue the story for finding immortality. Sam Clafflin’s character could’ve been the next Will and dealing with his beliefs and this quest for immortality, helping pirates, falling in love with an evil mermaid, etc. Had potential but whatever

[@Housewarmin]

My favorite scene of the whole franchine is Beckett's death. The slo-mo walk down the stairs as the ships is blown up. GAH! beautiful.

[@j.r.sanchez5320]

Verbinsky Trilogy still being adventure cinema peak

[@GetAwayFroMe]

The first three movies may very well be one of the *best* trilogies ever made.

[@alinadougan1214]

There's another important point that caused the downfall and changed the feel of the last two movies: Gore Verbinski. He directed the first three and once the fourth one came along it feels incredibly different due to the change in directors

[@delix787]

I will never understand how people say Jack sparrow went into full dumb dumb mode after the first movie, like did we not see the same movie man?? My favorite version of Jack sparrow is literally in the sequels of part 2 and 3. Manipulation Jack sparrow is next level. 🤯 The first scene when Jack has his reunion with Davy Jones. Jack is completely laughed at until Jack takes advantage of Davy Jones’s feelings. Jack uses what he knows little about his love life in order to make Jones realize that when he separates Will from Elizabeth, he’ll be alone, similar to what happened to you when you lost your love. Davy Jones is sad and is silent and his crew does nothing while Jack walks around in a circle controlling the narrative in order to remain on top of the conversation to make Jones understand he’s also someone to not mess around with, when Jack has the correct information in order to make his enemy feel inferior and lesser compared to him. The second time this happened is when Elizabeth told Jack she’s here to save Will. The compass could not help Jack to find his next location because Jack didn’t know what he wanted. He desired multiple things and the compass can only point to one thing at a time. Jack took advantage of Elizabeth’s feelings for Will, in order to convince her if you want to save him, you have to want to desire the chest of Davy Jones in order to save his life. Elizabeth had every right to trust Jack after they had a good sendoff from the first movie. Jack is also a pirate no matter what! He cares for his other people, but he also cares about his own life too. So he takes advantage of people that he cares for to play them as the fool until he gets what he desires because that’s the pirate within him. Seriously, Jack cannot be a goofball if he’s a master at controlling peoples feelings. 🌚

[@jazzycat8917]

To me the 4th movie was a real victim of the previous films antagonist powercreep. Look at the forces at work in the 3rd movie: the entire East India Trading Company's fleet, the legendary Davy Jones and the undead cursed crew of the Flying Dutchman, THE LITERAL GODDESS CALYPSO AND HER COMMAND OF THE SEA ITSELF. The end of the movie is a full scale pirate war centered on an apocalyptic whirpool in the middle of a hurricane that requires the ultimate sacrifice for a lead fan favourite And then look at the antagonists of the 4th movie: Blackbeard, whose vague magic power seems limited to voodoo and controlling the rigging of his ship, a toothless and largely out of character Barbossa with fck all to do, and....uh.....the Spanish. Just some perfectly normal powerless human Spaniards. The climax is just regular humans fighting regular humans in a regular human battle, and Blackbeard (who we just met and frankly do not care about at all) drinking the wrong cup of water. How of earth was that ever supposed to compare? I do feel for the writers, there really wasn't very much they could do to top or escalate the stakes of At World's End without crossing the line into the truly absurd, so Stranger Tides is a retreat but feels boring, unserious, and unfulfilling as a result. The notable absence of Will and Elizabeth obviously did not help , since this was a series built on a foundation of three incredible leads and Jack alone was not strong enough to carry it by himself.

[@ajofmars2579]

I smiled when he said “obscure lore” showing Davy Jones and Calypso, I remember being 10 years old, before the release of At Worlds End, and trying to convince my parents that they were lovers. Because of the lockets.

[@atulshaji164]

He made a half an hour video but did even care to give atleast 2 mins of credit to "Gore Verbinski" and he still didn't understand what exactly was wrong with franchies after trilogy ''woow just woow'' and even futher try to downgrade ''Gore'' by just mention his only one work Mouse hunt then what about his more mature works like The Mexican,The Ring which he did before PoC. After Tim burton, Gore was the only director who understood the potenial of Johnny Depp in my opinion.

[@socklock1957]

The only good thing to come out of this is that Verbinski knew when it was time to throw in the towel, he turned down the offer to direct the 4th movie since he meant for it to be a trilogy and instead he would go on to make the animated movie Rango, which is an underrated masterpiece. Clearly, he was the only one to have made the right decision.

[@Hammer693]

Stranger Tides is underrated af. Jack is peak in it. Dead Man Tell No Tales is shit lmao. They disrespect Jack so bad. He was acting like a drunk fuck 💀

[@sitebproductions]

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[@David2k18Star]

Ur just too stupid, dead man tells no tales was like the best

[@TableCreed]

For years, it's driven me crazy hearing people trash Dead Man's Chest and At World's End, lumping them in with Pirates 4 and 5. I seriously can't fathom how someone can like the first movie, but not the second and third. I think people might be a little intimidated by the seismic change in scope from that first film to its following two sequels. Dead Man's Chest and At World's End are massive movies with high stakes, but it they still have the same brilliant characterization, character interaction, and the movies clearly lay out the motives of all the players on the board. They're a thrill to watch. It's genuinely just a large scale chess match, and all parties have convinced themselves they're going to win in the end. It brings me pleasure seeing how the Pirates fandom has now started referring to it as "The Pirates Trilogy", purposefully excluding Pirates 4 and 5. 4 isn't bad, but it's not good, and Pirates 5... well that was just disastrous. There's no coming back from that. A reboot is the only option, because they destroyed the world.

[@jacksondavies3595]

To be fair, 2 and 3 do have lots of plot lines going on, and it can get a bit much at times.

[@TableCreed]

@@jacksondavies3595 I like that those movies trust the audience to use their brains though. It throws all these balls up in the air and it trusts you to keep track of them. Pirates 4 and especially Pirates 5 feel the need to spell things out for the audience. I for one don't find Dead Man's Chest or At World's End difficult to follow in the slightest, but I'll take overly-complicated over dumbed down any day.

[@donrog5035]

Hot take but the 4th pirates of caribbean was a very good movie and I enjoyed it as much as the trilogy.

[@GRogers4097]

That’s exactly right. There are only four Pirates of the Caribbean films as far as I know. I know absolutely nothing about this so called fifth installment. It doesn’t even sound like a real thing. It’s probably just one big rumor that may not have any truth to it

[@Stevenirons]

I prefer it to pt 3

[@s1dnb]

Good movie but it doesn’t fit well into the storyline. With a few adjustments could have been a good prequel

[@bryancaron1664]

Dead Man's Chest is my favorite!

[@LukeBroadhurstfilm]

While stranger tides made a billion, 50% of the revenue goes back to the distributors. Then 25% to the studios. And the rest is history. Not to mention that marketing a film is usually little less then double the production budget. So for a a 400m production budget, a 1b box office is not much turnover

[@jellybeanjeff9875]

Also Gore Verbinski leaving should’ve been a sign to end it. He helped to establish such a rich world that it just didn’t work without him. As well as of course Will and Elizabeth who sort of helped add a weight to Jack’s wackiness..

[@delix787]

15:58 one of my many reasons why I prefer part 3 over part one. 🔥

[@jarrodedson5441]

I liked the first film a lot, 2nd film is amazing as well, 3rd film is when the cracks started showing but it was still fun, 4th film was fun. But the 5th film is where it lost me.

[@Bonjourpeter23]

Dead Men Tell No Tales’s worst aspect is the continuity hell. How are Marty, Murtogg and Mullroy still alive ? I thought Barbossa was the only one who survived the attack of the Blackbeard. And why are Marty and Scrum with Jack Sparrow ? I thought they joined Barbossa’s crew.

[@GRogers4097]

24:17 I’m glad people are finally calling out Jeff Nathanson on his terrible script and absolutely butchering Jack’s character. Don’t get me wrong, he seems like a nice person and a decent human being, but when watching this movie you can definitely tell that there is so much wrong. None of it has the same charm and brilliance as Ted and Terrio’s screenplay did. It felt like Jeff was just marking off a checklist of everything that simply had to be in this movie since it’s pirates of the Caribbean. For example: 1. Jack Sparrow✅ 2. A boy and a girl falling in love✅ 3. Lots of comedy✅ Except none of it was done with care, creative thinking, and passion. Ted and Terrio put plenty of those things in their script because they knew who there characters were and what they would do and who they would become. Jeff just didn’t seem to care, and it really shows. Nor did the directors care, and it doesn’t feel like Jerry Bruckheimer did either. I’m honestly amazed he allowed this to happen to his franchise

[@TheAufziehvogel]

Before I get to my actual comment: I like this channel, yet I'm critical of the sponsoring. Especially if content creators are advertising this in their videos. I'm 37 years old and struggle due to a health problem also with a kinda tattered mental condition and I guarantee, there is no better way talking to real people in front of you. It could be worse though since some content creators are really getting so low and talking about how they love this service themselves and how much it had helped them and so on. No KZbinr with the exception of professionals in this matter should give advise when it comes to mental health, especially if this is centered around a subscription. I normally don't write such stuff but this was imporant for me. But now to the video: This was another great chronology of what happened to a beloved franchise. The Pirates franchise is for me notorious for the downfall of the franchise itself, Disney and unfortunately Johnny Depp. While I love the first trilogy, I always thought this was never meant as a true trilogy. That's why, at least for me, the plot starting with the second movie was always highly convoluted and doesen't gave a satisfying conclusion in the third movie. They wrapped it up but it wasn't the ultimate conclusion. The story never was this epic itself to justify a connected trilogy. Yet, the story wasn't even that important because the characters worked, the setting worked and of course the blockbuster factor worked. I even kinda enjoyed the fourth movie for it's standalone character. The fifth movie was simply unnecessary and a proof of the modern Disney which is simply milking on nostalgia and Sequels or weird Spin-Offs. The fifth movie proofed that the peak of the Pirate movies was reached a long time ago. I would love to see a "Downfall of Disney" video someday. Or a Downfall of Star Wars. I would be in for hour long videos lol. Best Wishes from Germany.

[@Arrowz_88]

I actually like all the movies, except for the 4th. When i watched it when it came out, i completely forgot about it a couple years later. I recently rewatched the entire series a few months ago thinking i never saw Strangers Tides, but when i finally got to it i vaguely remember that i have actually seen it before. It felt weird, it's like i had dreamt of it instead. I can't really blame myself for my mind almost wiping it from my memory banks. (Edit: - I wrote my comment above before watching the video. And it's funny becuz you said the exact same thing as i did.😂 I'm glad im not the only one who had trouble remembering Stranger Tides)😂

[@TheAzelothmaster]

I'm surprised by the fact that neither in the video nor in any of the top comments, nobody has remarked on the fact that On Stranger Tides is a self-standing, totally unrelated pirate fantasy book that on its own is pretty good but has absolutely zero to do with Pirates of the Carribean. The rights to the book were bought and then the script was written/doctored to shoehorn it into a Pirates of the Carribean movie, which is why the tropes, tone, plot, and characterisation is disjointed. Does nobody really know this? One amazing franchise that the On Stranger Tides (the book) inspired however, was the Monkey Island adventure game series.

[@vincentveryvile5051]

I'd say some of the reasons why 4 and 5 failed is because it's missing our Goofy Goobers, Pintel and Raggetti! I'm so glad that in the Lego game, I can play as them in Stranger Tides as I please. I found it kind of sweet that Barbossa had a daughter and probably other kids that he's not aware of, but his sacrifice was like a symbol of the death of the POTC movies. And I don't know if it irks anyone else, but I feel like the Black Pearl looked smaller in part 5. And it really annoyed me as I watched it that one time only.

[@saml302]

I think of it more as one almost perfect movie, a really good sometimes great two-parter, and then whatever the last two were

[@selwrynn6702]

Maybe its a hot take but the 1st & 4th are my favorites in the series, I do love Davy Jones, but I really didn't connect with the 2nd & 3rd movies the same way I did with the first, and as for the 4th I just really like Ian McShane's Blackbeard & Angelica, there are just a lot of scenes in that movie I find more memorable than the 2nd & 3rd movies. I know it was a step down in quality but I don't care, the 5th movie I do accept as bad though. Also better help is an evil company, their therapists aren't actually licensed and they sell your data.

[@jenniferri7735]

never seen the last two. never will. it is a trilogy, period.

[@brysonfreeman7226]

Yep definitely, it should’ve ended after At World’s End

[@andrewrivera190]

My main issue with the 5th film is that it straight up breaks cannon. The 2nd and 3rd films added a lot to the cannon but didn’t contradict the first film. The 5th film does a lot of weird things with Jack’s compass.

[@BrianMiles755]

9:45 i think anyone will agree on that.

[@caseymiles8493]

Absolutely solid stuff my dude

[@rexfloyd2109]

My girlfriend and I just revisited the entire series and thoroughly enjoyed all of them. They're not perfect but all of them are fun

[@pinroshan020]

Salazar’s Revenge was a letdown back in 2017. I remember i got sleepy when i watched this on theatre back then. I was saddened about that.

[@aqmalzullif1324]

I'd argue that jack wasn't the main character of the first film, rewatching it recently he was the spectacle but not the driver of the story, elizabeth and will was and i think thats why it was really good, jack's character is good in bits but when he's driving the story it gets too outlandish, will and elizabeth are more relatable and put forward a story we can join in on while jack comes in at times to make the whole thing fun, kinda like how in beetlejuice michael keaton is barely in the film but he is the spectacle that makes the movie but lydia is the driver of the story and that's why it works

[@delix787]

Pirates 4/5 are filler movies. 🌚

[@GRogers4097]

Correction, 4 is a fun film that perfectly wrapped up Jack’s character and journey. While it’s not as good as the original’s I still really love it. I love all four Pirates films. I don’t think there’s any need for a fifth film😉😉😉

[@imlagging6587]

Hot rake 4th one is good

[@GRogers4097]

Indeed👍👏👏👏 PS: Philip and Syrena❤ I love you both 3,000❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@RosesTeaAndASD]

I want a 1 hour long video on Jack's introduction scene👍

[@markgrz7076]

I didn't like DMTNT inconsistency with Jack's compass. In one of the earlier movies, they said Jack bought his compass of of Calypso. In DMTNT, they say he got it from an old crew mate.

[@scotthallgv]

Stranger Tides is basically one of those direct to vhs spinoffs that disney made a staple of their releases. Aladdin 2, Lion King 2, Return of Jafar etc etc. Low effort cash in trash that they knew would make them money because of the name that they didnt really have to try very hard on.

[@jimglass3106]

I always enjoy the videos and your voice-over style,but you might want to get a thesaurus and look up alternatives to "iconic". Actually,that goes for many people these days.

[@prometeo48]

The same happened to me with Grindelwald on the last movie, IDK, JD have this amazing power of acting to the point i cannot longer see his role played by another person. TBH one of my favorite actors of all time just for that

[@ymca4547]

The series jumped the shark with Keith Richards' appearance

[@thorstienn2317]

The problem is, that they made Jack Sparrow the protagonist. Even you said he was the lead. He isn't! The story/trilogy is about Will Turner and Elizabeth Swan.

[@anakinskywalker2142]

The only reason i sometimes rewatch pirates 4 is the mermaid scene and the badass spanish empire

[@johnsmith651]

I mean compared to some other franchises I actually think it help up pretty well

[@glochers]

The fact that Jack is pushed aside later down the line isn’t an issue. Jack works best in those original 3 as he’s the Han Solo figure. Once the spotlight’s on him, it’s overkill and not half as engaging.

[@shwygacha2525]

I think the reason why the two last movies are so bad is because Jack is the main character. In the Trilogy, Elizabeth and Will are the main characters and Jack is the most important support character.

[@Badmunky64]

I've never watched anything past the original 3. Glad to get confirmation on making the correct decision.

[@invoke4937]

the 4th one carried over some stuff from the 3rd one mainly the search for the fountain jack got terryfied of the locker thats why he wanted to go there, but his good side made him change his mind to save angelica because she was poisend but the 5th one just does make sense and has no link to the other movies at all, other then barbossa having the queen anne and that magical sword

[@connormollison8755]

You forgot to mention that somehow the writers of DMC managed to completely miss how jack got his compass even though it's literally in the second movie. Pissed me off to no end

[@davef3932]

Fun fact, the band 'Bring me the hozion' got their name from the first film when jack utters the line at the end of the film

[@kolonarulez5222]

I'll say it, I enjoyed the last one purely for the Bootleg Turn scene. It was very creative. Armando Salazar is awesome because Javier Bardem is a powerhouse actor. If there's no fans of 5 in the world, I must be dead.

[@HeheSloth]

Honestly, the issue with the first 3 movies i have is the devoloping love Triangle

[@howuseehim]

Compared to recent movies, these are masterpieces

[@FinMowen]

Love your analogy!

[@daylonmoore4772]

I have been saying it for years even before the 5th. If Depp isnt in the movie then we need a spin off focusing on Will on the Dutchman.

[@lauracollins4195]

Another great video, thanks!! Could do without the “ugly stepchild you hide when family visits” comment though (shortly before a mental health message from your video partner!). I know it’s just an expression, but may be hard on those struggling in tough situations. Just thoughts from a friend, love your videos. ☺️

[@Centristlol]

I always say this: 1-3 are perfect, 4 was uneeded, but still a very good standalone finale for Jack Sparrow, 5….

[@juiceman_3]

Stranger Tides wasn’t that bad but DMTNT was garbage

[@Jayrojo115]

I saw this video and had to click on right after I just finished watching At Worlds End. The Pirates of the Caribbean franchise is one I grew up and still love to this day (1st 3 movies)

[@mrchocolatetoast1355]

I thought the worst thing about dead men tell no tales was that Jack giving the compass away triggers salazars freedom when we know the hippie lass gave him the compass and also he gives the compass away about 50 times before the writers may as well have came out and just admitted they had no idea how to make the plot move forward so they just made a loaf of garbage up

[@mb_science]

I dont know why but i like the last one. Its not better than the other ones dont get me wrong. It was enjoyable 6/10 mid

[@manuelcorrea2365]

I also liked the fifth one. I actually liked it more than the fourth one as it is linked to the main characters of the original trilogy.

[@joshuanixon795]

I once told someone that you could watch the trilogy and the 5th movie without seeing the 4th, and not miss out on any of the story. Even though the 5th and little to nothing to do with the first 3.

[@samd2013]

Yo Gore Verbinski made The Ring also, which is one of the best modern horror films. And Hans Zimmer scored that movie also. Also, why the Mouse Hunt slander?

[@coo_coo_]

part of what is great is jack is a supporting character that drives the plot. the story, in my opinion is from will and elizabeth and their how jack effected their lives and drove their story but it’s not truly ever about jack.

[@Somedei]

Pirates 1 and thats it, never understood why this had such a huge fandom thou I respect it Im not on that train

[@mcoburn5]

Agree. I just can’t love any but the first. The rest I personally felt were disappointing.

[@delix787]

I never loved the first movie. It’s just too simple and Disney fun. I prefer the sequels because I’m into darker storytelling and mature character development. 2/3>

[@delix787]

I mean, dude you have access to KZbin where there are hundreds of videos explaining why the pirate trilogy is a masterpiece. Stop living in 2003 and do your research. 😂

[@Alex-rl4ll]

Nah it works best as a trilogy in my opinion

[@Tenpinmaster]

Looking forward to the Downfall of Lost. Interested on what you have to say on that matter. ;)

[@sackthebastard]

Lost ended great so idk what downfall they will be speaking of

[@heavydevy-c5630]

Blackbeard is supposed to be an iconic made up pirate. His character was actually really good with him using all sorts of magic and even had like three zombies on his crew. Though those zombies did nothing really, and Blackbeard mainly had it in against Barbossa. Jack was pushed to the side completely and sad to see he was pushed even more in the 5th one. I thought they had already done that in stranger tides....not to mention Jack was just an idiot in stranger tides, a Patrick Star more than an impulsive pirate just going with what he's feeling in the moment.

[@dusanmrdak97]

Pirates are my childhood. I agree with your statement. 4 an 5 were unnecessary. Can you do Halloween franchise?

[@caleb4851]

The first three are bangers…I feel like they genuinely didn’t know what to do with this franchise after everything that was in the first three. I like stranger tides but even I can admit it didn’t feel like a pirates of the Caribbean movie.

[@HVLLOW99]

Shouldve been a trilogy. The Spaniards in OST are cool though.

[@gabehoyer5410]

Curse of the Black Pearl is probably the greatest live action movie that Disney has ever made

[@Coroplocs-Chameleon]

On Stranger Tides was so boring that it made the first half of Birdemic look so entertaining.

[@tomasmyklebust3285]

Imagine duchman fighting dead men and it needed more canons

[@maxcalder1010]

Mouse Hunt is a great movie! I’m older than you (35) so maybe you haven’t seen it. It’s a movie I loved as a kid and only parents enjoyed too! Great video essay though, Pirates of The Caribbean is one of my faves! But mouse hunt has a lot of visual action/reaction story telling and comedic timing so it makes sense it’s the same director.

[@MrxD-cg5xs]

I think as a fanbase we can collectively agree that the first three movies are the franchise and everything that came after is but a fever dream.

[@volbound1700]

I do like the 4th one because it did something different and seemed like a side adventure in the series. The 5th one was weak but 4 and 5 aren't the collapse like the other series you described.

[@getjinxed6128]

4th movie always made me feel like they’re never sailing For a pirates movie… yeah…

[@redherronrecords]

My cousin worked at a theatre when the 4th movie came out, and he had this employee deal where the first person who went with him paid 1 buck, the next paid 2 bux, and so on. Can't remember if i paid 1 or 2 dollars to see it in 3d but damn i should've saved my coin 😂

[@AodhanBeag]

I still buzz when i hear the Pirates of the Caribbean theme 🏴‍☠️ Duh de dah, duh de dah, duh de dah dah de duh dah The story, the writing, the dialogue, the characters and the acting are all so damn good and all compliment each other so well.