What is Kaleidescape? | How Does Kaleidescape Work? | Is It Worth Buying Blurays in 2022?

[@MovieUniversity]

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[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

Physical 4K Blu-ray discs for LIFE! 😎👍

[@MovieUniversity]

Lol. I hear ya man.

[@scottwallace1]

Avengers: Endgame 4K blu-ray = 65 and change GB. Avengers: Endgame Kaleidescape 4K HDR download = 105 and change GB. #math #common_sense_says_the_winner_is_??? #kaleidescape

[@DuesenbergJ]

@@scottwallace1 still physical. A streaming service can at any time remove the movies you want to watch. I don’t care how big the file was that I can’t get anymore.

[@niceguy9790]

@@scottwallace1 might as well flush money down the toilet

[@gunnyo50]

​@@DuesenbergJ Kaleidescape isn't a streaming device. You have to download the files physically onto their hard drive servers. It's more like torrenting than streaming. Streaming is when you're accessing something that requires an internet connection, once you download these big files on the servers it remains there till you delete it. Nonetheless, it's very expensive but if one has the funds it's well worth looking into.

[@yoked1234]

Bro if I’m spending over 30k on a home theatre system like that and I call for support you better pick up the phone immediately. “We’ll get back to them the next day” is unacceptable 😂

[@ardenaudreyarji]

I want them outside my house camping in case I ever need anything.

[@-Insert_Name_Here.-]

I like how the guy completely avoided and didn't answer this question "What separates Kaleidescape from another system like Plex?" Timestamp-06:08

[@scotttild]

Price and that’s it I would be no one would be able to tell the diff between Plex and this service.

[@ScrappyDoo651]

How he refers to Plex as "homebrew" like some kind of bodge job garden shed set up. People are ripping 1:1 copies of 4k Blu Ray Discs and running them on a Plex server for an absolute fraction of the cost of this guys "Emperors New Clothes" system. I always think its a bad look if you're selling something to effectively slate the alternative instead of just pointing out the positives to your own product. His set up cost almost $9k - plus all the home theatre equipment to go with it to get the best from it. I've no doubt it will look impressive but at that kind of price it never going to be an option for the masses and wont be that much better than a rip on a Plex Server. Also - has this dude never heard of Stremio - with rapid internet now people are streaming 4K Remux files through that app no problem - and thats not costing them a thing.

[@hakunamatata324]

Because the right answer will prove the point that kaleidescape is a cloud service while Plex is 100% local.

[@garystinten9339]

I want Linus Tech tips to do a review of this system and how to build a "we have kaliedescape at home" system

[@MrHandsomeStudios]

That would be sick

[@ArchThaBoss]

We should spam him so we can make this happen. God I would love that so much

[@raredreamfootage]

I want Linus to build an app to consistently win the lottery, that would be sicker.

[@wendellwendellb339]

At damn near $9k, I’ll stick with the 4k UHD disc. I can’t justify paying that much for that system. Can you get DTS:X, Neural X, Auro 3D, IMAX Enhanced? I didn’t see anything about that!

[@-Insert_Name_Here.-]

or just use Kodi or Plex...

[@Adam9306]

10k for the server and hard drive, but then you've got to pay for the movies? You're literally better off buying the discs, and you'll get the same quality.

[@MovieUniversity]

For one thing, the files from Kscape are larger than a 4k blu ray. Like I showed on screen, The Batman is 96Gb. Much much larger than what a 4K Blu-ray can hold. Secondly, if you got 10k to blow on a home server you’re not worried about money.

[@Adam9306]

@@MovieUniversity haha. As far as I'm aware, 4k discs are 100gb, so I'm sure the batman 4k disc for example, is a 100gb file. I know Disney/fox are capping their discs at 66gb for some silly reason though. I think it's fox anyway.

[@MovieUniversity]

Exactly. Some disc are capped. Not with Kscape. There’s no limitation on the file size. Trust me, I too collect disc and still buy 4K Blu-ray’s. I’ve done a couple of videos on them. But there no denying that Kaleidescape looks and sounds better than a Blu-ray. Is it worth 9k? To me, no. Mostly because I don’t have 9k to blow. But I compared several movies I have on disc to the movies on Kscape and Kscape wins almost every time.

[@MovieUniversity]

If there wasn’t a market for it the company wouldn’t have survived for over 20 years now.

[@-Insert_Name_Here.-]

@@MovieUniversity You arent going to be interested in this unless you have a fast Fiber Optic line also..

[@matt007]

I doubt your average streamer is gonna drop $10k to watch a movie at home. Most, if not all will be happy with Blue Ray or Netflix quality.

[@MovieUniversity]

you're not wrong. but the fact of the matter remains that there is a significant amount of people buying it. K-scape has been around for over a decade and continues to do well. That means people are buying their products.

[@YoungBlaze]

​​@@MovieUniversity Not trying to be funny but they seem like one of those money to burn tax write off companies where yes they have been around for a while but how in the hell are they profitable? It's almost like a money laundering business that needs to just exist.. But then again if they are partnered with a company that is doing a custom theater build I can see kind of how if a person spending $30,000 can randomly just add on $10,000 to blow for this system

[@madfinntech]

You can buy a nice stack of Blu-rays, even 4k ones with that Kaleidescape money before you even own any titles there. Edit: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention you have the resell value on your discs on top of that.

[@MovieUniversity]

If you got 9k to spend on a at home premium movie server, you’re not worried about the resale value of disc which will diminish even further. Look at used DVD prices now.

[@itguru2037]

@@MovieUniversitynot necessarily. I have 50k parked away for my new house home theater. I’m still looking at the ROI.

[@fuzzylobster3497]

Can someone please explain how they claim to get higher bit rate video streams than 4k blu rays? Are they working with movie studios to get different versions or are their claims BS?

[@darillfow]

Just a greedy company with overkill price tag. Nobody needs this, they want you think you need it. No you don't! You can buy 4K UHD Disc movies and that is all you need. Save you money, don't waste money on these crooks.

[@David25522]

Not to mention that it doesn’t support Dolby Vision or HDR10+ It’s way way overpriced.

[@wxman2003]

How it works. Pay $9000. And then pay $30 for each movie that you truly dont own.

[@NickkaDUB]

The part where Plex comes in annoyed me a little. The tv and speakers aren’t centered.

[@thecinematicguy]

Cool concept. I’d love to buy the video files from Kaleidoscope but I don’t want to be tied to their hardware or customer support program(s) because I’m tech savvy and don’t need any hand holding for configuration or implementation. I already digitize my physical media that I legally own and handle server configuration etc my self. Sorry.

[@Lior1973]

There is no Audio compression in UHD BD or HD BD. The audio is lossles = identical to the master version on both the UHD and the HD BD. In some casses the audio format is diffrent but in general what you have on the disc is identical to the studio master and should be the same on KDS.

[@Onotosho]

I like the concept for this tech. I live in alaska tho. I don't have the best internet. The download size you give as example would take 2 days to download one movie and that is if i am not sharing my connection. For now i will stick with the 4k blu ray

[@viktorderka6348]

Did I get right that Kaleidescape movies differ from 4k UHD and bluray versions of the same movie? Are Kaleidescape movies greater in size than their physical counterparts? Where can I check and compare those? Also would be nice to see a comparison video of the same movie title like Kaleidescape vs 4k UHD disc. Are all subtitle languages also available for the Kaleidescape movies, or that is limited? Sorry for too many questions, but currently I have 1237 titles in bluray and 200 in 4k UHD at home in physical media and using Oppo 203 UHD player. As I see physical media is far more superior to any streaming service at this point. I saw quite pricey tags for a single movie in Kaleidescape realm, not sure if that is worth the price to have it upgraded. Also, if I have these movies on physical media, am I able to have those on Kaleidescape version or thats a different product of the same movie and hence a different story. Thank you for your answers!

[@itguru2037]

Your Oppo is just as good

[@sbondi]

Hmm, it seems to me that despite having greater bandwidth than 4K UHD for major movies, it is unlikely that Kaleidescape (which does not support the ultimate HDR standard: Dolby Vision) would look better than the corresponding 4K UHD with Dolby Vision - especially on a high-end TV :-(

[@MovieUniversity]

As I said a couple of times in this comment section, having tested out several movies I own on disc compared to Kscape there is a noticeable improvement. True, the video on Kscape is “only” HDR10, but I promise the higher bitrate on their files makes up for lack of DV support. Which to be honest, there are a plethora of articles and videos online stating that DV is not as good as Dolby claims it is.

[@gmartin0312]

As a Kaleidescape owner I can tell you that I’ve used it on a Sony projector and now also an LG G2 83” and while it does not have Dolby Vision support I don’t see any real differences with the video from UHD and K. I will tell you the majority of people who buy K is for the audio and not having to purchase discs to watch a movie. As for me, I enjoy renting movies a lot more than buying them, sure I buy some I REALLY love but that’s few and far between. My primary reason for K is the renting in full quality bit rate I can take full advantage of the system I’ve poured a good amount of money in. UHD rentals are almost non-existent, Redbox is a joke, GameFly takes forever (when they are actually in stock) and streaming on Apple TV is NO WHERE near the quality you find on UHD and definitely not K. Yes, it is expensive but in the long run, if you’ve put in a lot of money into your system this would be the cherry on top. Speakers/TV > Processor > Amplifiers…

[@richardr2555]

@@gmartin0312 How much does it cost to rent a movie on K?

[@9latinumStudioz]

$9,000 ✨🤯✨ 100gb 4k Hdr movies with lossless audio 😱 Sick home theaters 🤙⚡

[@JKSmith-qs2ii]

Do I own the files? Do I get to copy them from their equipment to another device and play them any way I like, can I back them up? I don't like not owning a product I pay money for. For example, I can rip 4k Blu-rays choose audio and video tracks I want in a remux etc...

[@jonathanbell9349]

Watching 4k netflix on an oled vs kaleidescape on a projector? The oled wins and I save thousands.

[@noni9pr33]

I don’t understand why Spanish and France audio is available but not German… many people speak it and the quality of the audio is really good!

[@MovieUniversity]

That's a great question and I don't have a great answer. BUT I think it's because French and German are spoken but large groups of people outside of Europe due to the spread of those languages from the former empires.

[@yourpalfranc]

Kaleidescape may be many things. It may be the best movie experience for home theater. But, the one thing it is undoubtedly for me is just WAY TOO EXPENSIVE. Not even close. I can't even consider it. So, as long as the studios keep making discs, I'll wait and I'll be happy.

[@MovieUniversity]

I hear ya man. I’m in the same boat.

[@yazidrashid7457]

ya me too....the said item is only for people with deep pocket

[@YoungBlaze]

What's the price of all this

[@yourpalfranc]

@@YoungBlaze Google to find the current price. Maybe $5K - $8K. Way too much for me.

[@YoungBlaze]

@@yourpalfranc I wonder what one movie cost

[@jasonleetaiwan]

This seems more complicated than getting discs. There's no physical aspect to this. Just an improved version of streaming. I would be open to an improved version of 4k discs but I still want a physical object that goes on my shelf like a book.

[@MovieUniversity]

Its more expensive than disc, but it's definitely not more complicated. Once setup is complete it's very easy to use. Since you're downloading the video file to the local hard drive there's no waiting for the disc to load and no buffering because you're not streaming a file from the internet. It's more convenient than disc because it doesn't take up shelf space and can get damaged.

[@bonoki3870]

iam happy for those who are lucky to have this set-up. iam happy for those who enjoy streaming. iam quite happy with physical media especially when audio commentaries are included.

[@MovieUniversity]

Exactly how I feel.

[@becooldontfreez]

It's like buying a $20k car seat... for a car that's worth $20k... It's way too expensive... you have to spend that much money up-front and then pay to build your library.... why not use that upfront cost and buy 100s of 4K discs and have a dream collection without spendinganymore money... and tomorrow, when this Kaliedscape service no longer exists, you are left with nothing. All your investment is useless.

[@michaelalfredson4246]

With the inevitable upgrade do you feel this will scale appropriately? Will it be able to just increase file size with 8k so on and so forth and just have a need for larger hard drive? That would win me over.

[@MovieUniversity]

If I’m understanding your question, yes, it’ll scale up as time goes on.

[@wickedhometheater3663]

@@MovieUniversity And you can add Terra storage to what you already have as file sizes increase.

[@GodHatesXbox]

I’m not to sure what the inputs/outputs are on the system but 8k will be more limited by hardware than software. Need the 48mbps speed hdmi

[@Keithwithfever]

Can’t justify a player without storage to cost 3 times more than my MacBook Pro. You can’t tell me your player is that much more powerful than a $120 AppleTV.

[@user-cr6ki4qs4y]

I think it's funny how they mention Plex which is free if used on a local network. I think I'd be interested in purchasing Kaleidescape if they let me use my own sources plus the choice to use theirs. Others would be too. Lost business for sure.

[@Superdimensional]

I’ll keep buying the discs… they come with the digital 90% of the time anyways .

[@MovieUniversity]

100% that’s what I do man. This is for the super rich who don’t need to mess with physical like us peasants

[@Superdimensional]

@@MovieUniversity if I had an extra 30-40 grand laying around I’d equip my home with these tho lol

[@stevewright1539]

The server has nothing to do but read and write…so let’s charge 10k for 8TB!

[@doublet147]

Is it only movies or is TV series content also?

[@MovieUniversity]

They have TV shows too.

[@richardr2555]

@@MovieUniversity What about Netflix or Amazon shows? I spend more time watching that than movies.

[@koiphish]

So this system can't play your already converted collection of movies? I spent years collecting my blu-ray movie collection, converting them to digital copies so I could play them through Plex from my Synology NAS, and now I gotta toss it all away to purchase an expensive kaleidescape system and pay for and download a huge collection of movies????

[@MovieUniversity]

I agree with everything you're saying and am in the same boat in regard to having collected movies for quite some time now. However, they're not targeting you or me.

[@pedromvuus]

So if you run out of storage and don't want to keep deleting stuff you are forced to buy another few thousand dollars server just for the disk space 🤔, no thanks Also if the server is so sofisticated as it should based on the cost, how come the player is so expensive if is just a dumb local network player

[@kira5348]

After watching Physical copy still can sell to other if the movie suck. Also can Keep the 4k disc sell BD and digital code to others.

[@MovieUniversity]

You’re right on all accounts. But if someone has $9k+ to spend on a movie server I doubt they care about resale value of disc.

[@Goodboy0953]

Is it True, that the 4K movie you purchase is the exact same file the movie theatre received???

[@MovieUniversity]

I don't believe so, BUT I'm currently working on a "logistics of movies in theaters" video and it'll answer this question for you.

[@YoungBlaze]

So what is the price to actually download one of these movies because I'm almost certain it sounds like your downloading almost the raw aspect of the film so that's got to be a huge file let alone price

[@MovieUniversity]

The price is usually a little above what you'd pay for a physical copy.

[@Apollos_Triumph]

What happenes to a movie or TV show you buy that becomes no longer available to buy? Can it be stored on a cloud server or do you have to keep it the server?

[@maxstrmus4252]

Still you don't own these movies unlike physical discs.

[@MovieUniversity]

You're not wrong about not owning a physical copy, but this isn't like Movies Anywhere or Vudu where movies can be taken off and also require an internet connect. After you purchase and download your movie from Kaleidescape you can disconnect the unit from the internet and still watch your movies. I too collect disc like a lot of people who visit my channel. However, it's the owning of the disc that I care about, but rather having a better quality version of the movie over streaming. A system like Kscape has better quality than a disc. If I could afford it, I would whole heartedly get one.

[@maxstrmus4252]

@@MovieUniversity Yet they are limited by the storage space in storing your favourite titles. I get that this a superior format especially for those who care about that slight improvement in video quality and are not into movie collection.

[@MovieUniversity]

Right again, but storage device I’m using has quite a few movies on it. My only thing is that the storage devices should be larger. The steep price is really for the licensing and the quality of the file itself.

[@gregkirby9059]

I think i'd rath have my dvd/blue rays because I can buy old movies

[@MovieUniversity]

In the defense of Kaleidoscape, they have a decent amount of old movies you can purchase for the system.

[@maduherbal3618]

Are kaleidescape have indonesian subtitle for all movie ? And 2 strato player can acces 1 server kaleidespape ?

[@cheekster777]

Thank you.

[@JorgeGlobalYOR]

Question: Not long ago, 3D glasses were becoming a thing, but then it was all halted. Some say they’re coming back, others say that a new sort of technology on TV for 3D is coming. For those of us who are looking for 3D options, what do you suggest we should wait or expect for?

[@MovieUniversity]

To be honest man, I think 3D is dead for a while. I can't remember the last time I walked into a TV section at a store and saw a movie with 3D capability. There are seldomly movies sold with 3D support anymore. I think it'll probably make a comeback in another 7-10 years.

[@JorgeGlobalYOR]

@@MovieUniversity Ok. Thanks for your quick response! I guess the “nearest” thing to look for is too look for 8K screens. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@MovieUniversity]

8k or the size of the screen are probably the big things. TVs are getting cheaper and cheaper. 65" is the "norm" these days. I bet in the next two years 85" OLEDs will be all the rage. On a similar note, my interview I did with Sony said that the next challenge the TV industry is trying to tackle is keeping young peoples folks on a TV or how to integrate tablets and phones with TVs.

[@JorgeGlobalYOR]

@@MovieUniversity ok ok ¡Muchas gracias!

[@lbs9587]

When this comes to europe?

[@lawrence09151]

You don’t own plus internet data caps would be killed by downloading 10 x 4K movies

[@codname125]

Who has data caps on WiFi?

[@MovieUniversity]

If you got 9k or more to blow on a movie server you’re not worried about data caps.

[@codname125]

@@MovieUniversity is that a thing in America? I live in Germany and I've never heard of the concept of capping data on your home WiFi

[@MovieUniversity]

Some internet service providers in some parts of the US have limitations on data for your home. I have personally never had this issue, but I see comments on social media from time to time about this. I've lived in Charleston, SC, San Diego California, and Washington DC in the last ten years and have never experienced this.

[@codname125]

@@MovieUniversity oh that sucks, thanks for explaining!

[@hakunamatata324]

6:48: So, it is a Netflix on esteroides. For all that money I would rather spend on the setup itself and be subscription free.

[@v.z4084]

Only for rich

[@PMediaUK365]

only for the rich then!!

[@MovieUniversity]

haha. oh yeah!

[@PIPERBOYWILLIAMS]

Too expensive. This must be sponsored

[@aussieexpat]

Still very unclear how this service "beats" Discs.

[@MovieUniversity]

It beats it because the file size are encoded at a higher bit level. I compared movies I owned on disc to movies on the Kscape server the company sent me and I can confirm there’s an improvement. Now is it worth $9k? Not to me most because I don’t have that kind of money sitting around 😂 but if I did I’d totally buy one.

[@aussieexpat]

@@MovieUniversity well if you show it in the video, then that would be good. Its also unclear, wven with thatn why the files are bigger. What are the examples you found?

[@MovieUniversity]

I do show a screen shot of The Batman file size on screen. That movie is 96 Gbs. Most 4k UHDs come 66 Gb disc. While there are some discs that can hold 100 Gb they're typically not used. For instance Disney only sells its movies on 66 Gb disc. The files Kaleidescape releases don't have to worry about disc space. It's not just the disc space either.

[@darillfow]

It doesn’t, it’s call brainwashed so they can make huge profits for their overkill price tag. 🙄

[@aussieexpat]

@@MovieUniversity So it's just a coincidence the only example we've seen is one that would actually fit on a disc... Can you find a single movie that exceeds blu ray capacity considering the claim that they can exceed the disc space? I'm thinking maybe the 3 hour long Elvis?

[@rajmodi3107]

👍

[@matthewweitz1949]

Until they pull an Ultra Violet and go out of business

[@williee2560]

😝 ᵖʳᵒᵐᵒˢᵐ

[@madwarrior84]

Small market for the rich, not for the mass market!!!

[@MovieUniversity]

It’s basically the ferrari of media players

[@RainerK.]

Am I a millionaire? Nope.

[@davidbeetham8481]

OK - This video is blowing smoke up peoples arse !!!! You bring on two people who want to sell you this - but why did you NOT bring on someone who wants to talk about the CONS..... OH NO - that that would look bad for our system - People grow a pair - and let that person say what they wan't !!!!!!! THEN LISTEN TO THE BAD SIDE OF KALEIDESCAPE..... " LIKE WHEN U DOWNLOAD A MOVIE -WHO ACTUALLY OWNS IT ? DO I HAVE TO KEEP PAYING FOR IT - AND IF IT GOES IN STORAGE IN THE CLOUD, I BETTER NOT HAVE TO PAY TO KEEP IT THERE ".......

[@MovieUniversity]

If someone has $20k USD to blow on a digital media player; I doubt they’re worried about the downsides of it.

[@CampRusso]

It sounds cool if you want to movie files right from the studios. However I agree, seems like it’s for the wealthy. Also, 20k for a home theater seems very low from those images in the video. 😆 The homelab community will have to stick with our own media servers. Emby FTW 😁🤘

[@iampuzzleman282]

This video is a waste it doesn't answer the questions