Moving to UK after MD/MS from India in 2023

[@paromita10]

My husband is a Consultant Cardiologist here..his take home salary at the moment is the same as he was getting when he was a SHO 15 years back. So people, please don’t waste your time, money and energy coming to the U.K.. This country has high taxes and however much you work, HMRC will make sure you get very low take home pay! Stay in India and you will stay blessed 😇

[@Weeboholic]

Hello @paromita10 ma’am , can you please drop any mode of contact , i just wants to clear doubts which i have,,, thankx🙏🏼

[@neelprakash330]

Uffff.

[@isabell99840]

Maam. Can u please elaborate..

[@magnumAA5911]

Hello mam, in that case why dont you move back to India ? UK/US degrees are recognised in India.

[@paromita10]

@@magnumAA5911 Husband doesn’t want to go back to India to practice medicine as he says that practicing medicine is much more ethical here than in India. He used to work in the hospitals in Delhi before and says that they are full of unethical doctors who don’t care about their patients health/ safety and just want the money 💰

[@shuhaabshah131]

Nice video. Could you make a detailed video on alternative competence form. And whether it could be filled in a non training st1/2 sho post

[@SumanPaulDoc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2TKoGmfa7uHZtE. It can be done in any non training post.

[@kartiksridhar3126]

Can it be done by getting competency signed in India ??

[@shuhaabshah131]

@@kartiksridhar3126 no

[@manoj3813]

Hello Dr Suman, Nice information Can you make a separate detailed video on the govt reforms and how its going to affect IMGs. Its so disheartening for someone who wasted money and time on plabs only to know the future isn't bright.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

There are many reforms being speculated but nothing has been implemented or finalised yet. I will make videos on important changes

[@paediatriciandoctorzahidhu8360]

Again great video.... I am paediatrian with 20 years of experience in India and 11 years as Consultant Paediatrics experience..... did my mrcpch in 2018 in addition to DNB, DCH in 2006, 08 I want to move in UK... and unlikely and don't want to get specialist register either by CCT or by CESR routes .... What option do I have now for longterm job there?

[@A_Sen_0]

Doc why do u want to move to uk at this state of u r career ? Even if u able to get a job in uk in best case scenario u will be joining at st3 level ( salary60k£) after tax & deductions salary will be 3.6k£ / month, living cost atlest 2k£ for a family so u will be saving 1.6k £ a month . Is it worth it? Is wages that bad in india now a days ,even after becoming consultant?😅

[@SumanPaulDoc]

You are already eligible for GMC registration with MRCPCH. Then you can apply for suitable middle grade jobs for paeds through NHS jobs website

[@urallyfeynman]

Sir , how long will it take to get into st4 after md medicine and mrcp I'm currently in pgy1 of md medicine and decided to do super speciality training(mainly cardiology) in uk..? Also can u throw some light on the route should i take?...sir another thing to add can u please make a good comparison on uk speciality training in India vs uk out of 10?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Entering CCT after MD/DM- kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5bEdWCir7isipY Comparison of UK Vs Indian training: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZzIgXypetWbgrc

[@lasancykundu6393]

Hello sir, Does pg in obs ang gyni from India consider as a experience for mrcog or we have to do jobs after pg degree for experience

[@DrrahatJahan]

Hello sir. Please make a video for FRCPath Microbiology.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

I need to find someone who took the exam

[@shirlvin777]

Thank you for the information sir. Could you briefly please answer what’s the route to move to uk after MD Radiodiagnosis in India. Thank you in advance sir.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

FRCR

[@shirlvin777]

@@SumanPaulDoc thank you for ur reply sir

[@aisb06]

Sir can u explain how to enter in subspecialty programs in uk...i am currently pursuing md pathology in india and will apply for frcpath exams ...but i cant get anything regarding how to pursue my subspecialty training in path like oncopath,nueropath etc after passing frcpath 1 and 2 ..what the procedure to enter into superspeciality there for img specially indian postgraduate?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Subspecialty training is for doctors who are already in training. You can't enter them unless you are in CCT pathway.diagnostic neuropathology recruits at ST3

[@aisb06]

So suppose if i clear frcpath 1 and 2 and enter uk and start working there on registrar post i won't be able to become consultant ever?..i have to go through their whole 5 years speciality training program to become a consultant in subspeciality of pathology?is there a way i can enter at subspeciality level like u mentioned directly and pursue my subspeciality training there after clearing frcpath1 and 2 while working there on registrar level?

[@farhatfatima781]

How competitive is dermatology specialist post/ training post? I have already completed MD dermatology and SCE in Dermatology and planning to give MRCP for gmc registration

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Very competitive.best wishes

[@Riya-m9k1t]

So we don’t need cst after pg in home country and directly apply for st3 ?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Only If you can satisfy the criteria

[@anittalukose2069]

Hello Dr I did MS general surgery with one year independent experience with training in laparoscopic surgeries Does clearing MRCS have better chances in UK?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Yes, clearing MRCS can definitely improve your chances in the UK. It's a recognized qualification that adds value to your resume and showcases your expertise in surgical skills.

[@divesh85]

Great video, Suman! It's pretty clear that given an opportunity many doctor would move out of India, and it's not just because of low wages in India but a better quality of life. The quality of life specifically in Australia is very good and the income levels are also high. Many MChs/DMs who are earning enormous sums in the private sector are also moving abroad - UK Australia are the most preferred options. Also, i've seen many Indian doctors (primarily surgeons) in Australia never get equivalency and countinue to work as fellows/trainees forever because they don't want to go back to India. They dont get specialist equivalency because the size of the surgical pie is the same and it will have to be shared with an IMG. Indian MChs in Australia face brutality, it's almost impossible to get equivalency. Medicine and lab have fairly descent chance of equivalency to move in as overseas trained specialist, for surgeons it's a suffering. Radiologist from either India or UK (GMC CCT), even if they get specialist recognition, have to compulsorily serve for 10 years in a remote area!

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Thank you for your insights. I am really interested in getting the reality check of Australia for IMGs. Are you based in Australia? Please connect with me via email - [e-mail]

[@divesh85]

@@SumanPaulDoc I'll connect with you

[@Roy-kv6zr]

Sir what r the other destination for indian mbbs ? Other than uk , Ireland , usa ,Canada , Germany , Australia, new Zealand , Singapore,uae & middle east? I m currently an intern in india.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

@@Roy-kv6zr There are the only places worth going. It's better to stick with US, UK, Australia, NZ ,Canada as these are recognised by NMC/MCI

[@Roy-kv6zr]

@@SumanPaulDoc ok sir thanks a lot for the reply.

[@slazlostrange]

Is it possible to clear MRCP after MD respiratory medicine in India ? Or would it be easier after doing MD Gen med, as Resp medicine wouldn't cover other systems of medicine

[@SumanPaulDoc]

It's easier with MD general medicine, but possible with respiratory medicine

[@ahelibal5113]

Hi Dr Suman, please make a video about moving to UK for Histopathology training and probable job options after completing MD Pathology in India.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

This has been requested quite often but I don't know anyone working as a pathologist in the UK.will try to make some contacts

[@aisb06]

​@@SumanPaulDoc Same ques sir!!! please please ask and make video regarding how to enter in subspecialty programs for pathology in uk after completing md pathology in india..i am well aware of frcpath1 and 2 but dont have any clarification regarding how to enter in subspecialty/superspeciality programs in uk... please make a video regarding this

[@karthikkv7126]

Chances of getting st4 training position in uk after doing DM hemat in india with mrcp and sce

[@karthikkv7126]

Now in the 2yr of DM hematology..what are chances for getting into st4 after completing DM,mrcp and sce

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Haematology is quite competitive

[@johnsjones7770]

As someone who wants to go to australia, would it be easier 1. to give plab and do 1 year of job in uk or 2.do the mrcp plus cct then enter australia Thanks!

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Either go to Australia through AMC or post UK CCT.

[@roshu-4403]

How about separate license exams like frcpathway , frcs and all?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

FRCS is not a licensing exam. All licensing exams serve the same purpose.

[@Itsmeganesh.b]

Hi Suman sir, just finished my DNB Respiratory Medicine, what are future prospect for Respiratory Medicine in UK? Shall I consider giving MRCP? Currently doing my SRship.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

You will need MRCP to practice in UK

[@Arya-g9b3s]

Hello sir, Iam currently waiting for inicet counselling Should I choose obgy or nuclear medicine? Kindly let me know sir

[@SumanPaulDoc]

I have not worked in either of these specialties. Plz ask someone who has first hand experience

[@tarakmodi3344]

hello doc, i m dr tarak modi, i have done my md anesthesia , now i want to appear in edic exam. so what r the jobs options available in uk after compliting edic..n can i get the st3 category job after edic? n which one is better edic vs mrcp..please guide me

[@SumanPaulDoc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hJnde2aLa9p8qq8 EDIC is enough for GMC registration. MRCP is not an exam for anaesthesia.

[@DrSagarVerma]

Hello Dr SUMAN Sir currently I'm doing MD Dermatology from India and would be completing it in 2025 and after that I'm planning to move to UK .Can you guide me which pathway should I choose USMLE or UKMLA

[@SumanPaulDoc]

USMLE does not make sense as its a lot costlier and longer than UKMLA, unless you want to explore USA as well.

[@DrSagarVerma]

@@SumanPaulDoc thanks a lot sir ,after passing UKMLA at which level will I work in UK as I would already be having post-graduate degree in dermatology from INDIA and what is the scope of dermatologist there?

[@Drdermat123]

​@@DrSagarVerma hi I am also planning to move to uk/ australia after derma

[@jyotsarup8303]

Hi Sir. I am a first year PG student in Department of Pharmacology. I plan on going to the corporate sector post my PG and I want to know as to how to enter the Pharma sector in UK post MD in India.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Check out this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKS8anhofdpnqMk

[@shivamdixit4682]

Hi Suman sir, just finished my MS ortho, what are future prospect for ortho in UK? Shall I consider giving MRCS? Right now I’m in reputed government medical college

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Not much scope for career progression in Ortho.

[@santhoshkumar1991991]

I had completed MD Pediatrics and doing SR ship which exam I have to give to enter into uk

[@SumanPaulDoc]

MRCPCH

[@kanikajain6013]

Hello Sir, found your video very useful. I've completed my MBBS from India and want to practice in UK. I'm waiting for neet pg counseling, confused between MS ENT and MD anesthesiology In which branch I will easily get the opportunity to work in the uk. I want to pursue pg from India only. Eagerly waiting to hear from you.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Anaesthesia will have better job prospects in the UK

[@kanikajain6013]

Thank you sir for helping me out.

[@shrivasful]

Hello dr suman I have done Md community medicine from India !! Is there any scope or better progression there with this subject??

[@SumanPaulDoc]

There is no such subject as community medicine in the UK

[@Joker-2357]

Sir , why 15 years nhs reform gonna hurt img recruitment 10 years from now? if nhs salary don’t keep up with inflation & keen falling like last 14 years I don’t think british people will be very keen for those posts. I heard massive numbers of British drs who r consultants & in St3+ positions r still leaving nhs. ( just my thought , i never been to uk) Can u please suggest me which md streams r most suitable to get into uk?? My priority is to get into uk nothing else matter to me. I m currently doing mbbs in West Bengal.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

The supply will go up and many junior doctor roles will be replaced by non- doctors. Incoming numbers are way more than outgoings. All acute hospital specialties will remain in demand for next 5yrs , at least

[@Joker-2357]

@@SumanPaulDocgot it sir. Can u please suggest me in which specialty should i pursue my md in to increase my possibility of getting job in uk?

[@paromita10]

My husband is consultant cardiologist here and his pay is hilariously low😢Why do you guys want to come here I can’t understand!!

[@Joker-2357]

@@paromita10 many reasons ma'am 1. Work life balance ,48 hours /week 2. Easily after tax 5k £ after 3-4years of training, without dependents can save upto 3k £ /month . 3. After cct , option of working 8 -9 months /year & taking 3 months break. 4. No Mob lunching by patients 5. If u consider bond free seats they r Very few due to reservations specially in gd branches There are many more reasons i just mentioned a few Leaving india is a must for me & lot of my friends, if not uk i will be going somewhere else but have to leave india (No hate for its just my opinion & personal choice )

[@Joker-2357]

@@paromita10 consultants salary is easily 100k £ + (including extra shifts. ) for 48h/week Is it that bad?😅

[@moinkhan9919]

Dear Dr Suman Please advise how can one connect with you in person over a call. Thank you

[@SumanPaulDoc]

You may either email- [e-mail] or book a session for personalised guidance- medsolutionuk.com/services

[@milli_negi]

Hi Dr can I work as fy2 for five years. I mean can I get job after completing fy2 and not joining core training please tell and who is called junior doctor

[@SumanPaulDoc]

You can work in a similar grade without getting into training. Anyone who is not a consultant is a junior doctor.

[@SuryaPrakash-tf9se]

Can md PSM or any non clinical write mrcp?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

They can write the exam.

[@SusmitBoss]

what is the minimum band score need in IELTS?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Minimum 7 in each domain.total 7.5

[@shivaprakash7785]

Will our dependent need to clear english exam or any other exams for migrating to uk?

[@2187rose]

No

[@shivaprakash7785]

@@2187rose thankyou for the reply. . I have noticed in some news that the new policy changes include that the dependent also need to clear english exam.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Not for the dependant

[@shivaprakash7785]

@@SumanPaulDoc thankyou sir

[@sunupammajumdar2605]

Hi Suman, i have done dnb in ENT. My friends in UK are saying that there is minimal chance of getting a training post or MTI for ENT. Can you please give a view of the situation for ent?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

I agree with that. ENT is difficult to get into and jobs are limited.

[@parviz877]

My daughter completed her MD in Anaesthesiology, with 1 year Experience as Senior Resident. Which Exam is best ?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Primary FRCA

[@soumyapatra5055]

Planning to shift UK after doing MD I Want to know how much one can earn in uk if someone has MD in Radiology /pathology?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

NHS consultant salary will be £105000/year.But both specialities can make another 10-50k from private practice

[@nasirudheenk581]

What about expenses in uk per year, is it worth to live in uk with starting salary of mti trainee?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Expenses- kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYvTh2aAepalp8k It's for you to decide if it's worth it.

[@vikasvarma6267]

Sir currently I just completed my mbbs and was in the idea of choosing plab, but slots are really not available till Dec 2024 and even if I get passed in the exam I have to join in fy2 and i Overall it's a long process So recently I got to know about the mrcp option directly after mbbs so it seem a better approach but I do t kno what is the situation If i dont clear interview. If it will be a dead end or can I work there with mrcp degree u till clearing the interview? So can u please give me clarity to choose between I got stuck here to choose.... I wanted to enter internal medicine(plab),or superspeciality(with mrcp route)

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Either go for PLAB and then IMT in the UK or MD+MRCP, if you are not certain of taking the risk of passing the interview.

[@fashiqsherif7932]

Hi iam working as a consultant in oncology in india with a good salary... Recently I received a locum consultant job in Southampton University Hospital... Is it a wise choice to move to UK..( iam 42 years old.., 7 years experience)

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Depends on what you want to achieve from this.I know of people who have came to the UK at later stages of their career.

[@dr.anusree8874]

Hello If I apply for GMC registration as soon as after completing MRCPCH/MRCS and oet, how long it takes to get the GMC registration? So that I can apply into ST. Kindly let me know

[@SumanPaulDoc]

It's variable.depends on if GMC needs further information or documents.on average 3months

[@sumitmalgaonkar1878]

Prospects in UK after completing Mch Neurosurgery

[@SumanPaulDoc]

None

[@sumitmalgaonkar1878]

@@SumanPaulDoc can you pls elaborate

[@2187rose]

That means getting gmc is now useless ?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

It depends on what you want from it. Certainly its return on investment has gone down massively.

[@A_Sen_0]

But still today some limgs landing job as a mbbs in uk , So if u can make a strong cv then getting gmc is not useless obviously. But if u can’t land a job then obviously getting gmc is useless

[@wattu002]

Can we get job in uk after ms opthalm from india

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Browse the jobs that you would like in ophthalmology. It's available on the NHS jobs website

[@wattu002]

@@SumanPaulDoc Thanks Dr

[@amoghavarshanrupatunga1914]

Sir after how many years of working as Registrar, you got into ST4 Pulmonology (I mean How many Attempts) Is it difficult to get into ST4 after MD Medicine in India ? I heard that interviews take place in two rounds And IMGs with Foreign MD degree will be able to participate only in 2nd round and by that time most of the good specialities would already be taken ? Is it true?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

I worked for 3yrs and then entered training. 1st attempt. That rule was there previously but now IMGs can apply for round 1.

[@hastingsquare453]

8 years and still training. Hope you did not go to a donation school.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

🤦

[@Joker-2357]

😂 u certainly not a doctor in uk & u know nothing about uk medical training pathways Only thats why 8 years training is mind bungling to u.