MPC Stems: Standalone vs Software

[@samgoldsberry3029]

We all know that more processing equals better results. The problem is that folks want instant results after hitting a button. I'd rather wait 4 minutes for processing and get great stems than wait 2 minutes and get unusable stems. Patience people. Great video!

[@marizuokereke7347]

It might be a bit more complicated than that. These things work off machine learning and the amount of memory that the neural network needs may be prohibitive in the MPC environment. I'm guessing that they have compromised the model size a bit.

[@shadezondabeat]

They should make options for a quick process or a slower process for better quality audio that would be good and could easily be added to a future update

[@noramoss]

YOU HAD TO. I did the comparison. The bass lines are useable if you want that filtered mpc 2000xl sounding baselines in the back like we used to do in the 90s. Boom Bap

[@soufpro]

Standalone: Scratchpad Controller Mode: Polished

[@brucebang]

Man I had High hopes for MPC stems, but I've had the best sounding stems consistently with Serato Studio and Serato Sample. Rip X is also dope for even more separation, but day to day I'm rocking with Serato. I hope Akai improves their algorithm in a future update

[@TyreLee]

Now, if Akai developed their stems algorithm using A.I. they could become the leader in revolutionizing this segment of the music production industry. Let's hope they consider that option.

[@leathajacketassassin]

This is the first time I've heard how it sounds. I can see why some might feel it isnt usable. Sounds a little distorted with certain stems separated, but i actually like using distortion

[@audiolego]

I use a StEMS by Akai and MOISES online. sometimes, MOISES sounds better, sometimes Akai is better.. I'll be installing my Serato sample update which has these stem features. try all of them and pick the best .. it's what it is right now..

[@BoloDaProducer]

I know you would make some crazy beats with it !

[@noramoss]

I applaud AKAI for doing this although it sounds awful. It will get better. Egyptian Tombs have less artifacts

[@drindy5166]

Lol 💯% 👊🧡👍

[@AJWISE41]

Hardware limitations

[@iceymagoo]

​@AJWISE41 Yeah, the issue is that the processor is equivalent to that of a 11 year old smartphone Even a budget modern processor would make the MPCs legit like 10x more powerful.

[@RLBSOUND]

I’m very happy you make this video. I thought I was doing something wrong wow.

[@deeoats2329]

Sounds pretty good 🔥🔥🔥

[@andremiller1566]

This is good news!!!! AKAI has personally hit its limits with the old specs. The next generation MPCs will be much more powerful so they can sell these VSTs.

[@pushsantana]

i’m pretty impressed that they got it to work on these modern MPCs... these MPC’s got the engine of a barely usable seven-year-old laptop

[@Shaderdiceblock]

Well these MPCs are essentially just the MPC software with a advanced MIDI controller and interface built in and computers run multiple things

[@Shaderdiceblock]

But I do agree very impressive

[@MetatronsCube23]

The MPC's have a 1.8GHz quad-core processor. I had a 2.8 ghz quad core laptop in 2012. I believe the new MPC's are using a Raspberry Pi as the processor.

[@Shaderdiceblock]

@@MetatronsCube23 yea that makes sense

[@BeautifulLoops]

Thanks for doing this bro. There is definitely a difference in stem separation quality. But like you said you already knew this would happen. Im like you they will update it more and more to be better than prior ver. in standalone

[@BoloDaProducer]

🔥

[@BoloDaProducer]

Well said

[@0072gldnfngr]

Thanks Bolo! This is exactly my what I needed.

[@Djmassiv2k]

They both sounded good the vocals u can hear better in software version but ppl got to no back in the day ppl recorded these songs with basic software or hardware so todays recordings are way more advanced

[@abelchristian951]

This does miracles woooow 🔥🤯 !

[@ant1198]

The difference is very noticeable in this example. Logic handles stem separation much better in general, even on the iPad.

[@marizuokereke7347]

Modern iPad's typically has a lot more RAM available and the neural engine for processing this kind of thing.

[@stilltrippin6100]

I do it with vinyl and most of the audio .. a good portion of “most” of the song will not be useable .. old opera and orchestra albums are golden tho .. but it’s still early it’ll get better‼️

[@VoodooSama312]

They both sound good but the software version is the clear winner here. I use MPC inside FL Studio as plugin so I got options. It’ll get better with time I’m in no rush

[@MonotoneLouSluggaMLS]

It sounds perfectly fine on a mpc se x edition which has the most ram… I’ve used them all from Serato and Koala to logic and you have to go in and do the Eqing etc… this fast food mentality kills me

[@jerzboybeats]

I’ve said this from the beginning. It’s all about processing. It may sound a little better in the keys and SE because you have more ram but not compared the desktop.

[@Shaderdiceblock]

I enjoy the idea of these things that amazing on the new MPCs like stem splitting but I recently bought a Roland SP 404 MKII used for $400 in mint condition I think I want to still learn the MPC workflow so I want to get a MPC 500 or 1000 because I don’t want or have the money to just jump out and buy a MPC live 2, or MPC one, or even a 2000XL

[@peterkadarmusic9728]

I am glad Akai did this. I think they knew they had to do SOMETHING and maybe the delay getting it into standalone came from the technical challenges they must have encountered trying to put this on the hardware. I am grateful they did it, but I have to agree that most of the time it doesn't sound very good. Maybe we need to wait for the next generation of MPC with better processing and a contemporary amount of RAM to make stem processing better. Personally, I'd rather wait longer to get better sounding stems, if that were an option. For now, I'll either stick with the software version or use RipX. I haven't checked out the stemming feature in Logic yet but maybe a comparison between a few competing programs would be a good video.

[@hottrakz]

If that was the case they should have not put this version of the MPC 37 out yet it should have came with more ram because it's not upgradable and now you have to buy another that is unfair to the buyer when they advertised that it will be out soon.

[@peterkadarmusic9728]

@@hottrakz I don't disagree. I had high hopes for the 37 but was disappointed when I played it - for several reasons but to have 2GB of ram and no SSD option were the start. When I played it, I discovered that the keybed has a different feel than the 61 as well. Same keys, no weights makes the 37 feel like a cheap midi controller to me. The fact that they make you pay for so many of the plugins off the top compared to the 61 is also an issue. It could have been great, but it's limited by design. Fingers crossed for an improved MK 2 model someday.

[@samueltournan4415]

Native Instruments Traktor just got the stems feature. Pretty sure Maschine should get it too very soon. This may have to do with the fact that they also acquired iZotope and the stems feature in RX…

[@tracyspence4626]

The stand alone stems definitely have more phasing issues!

[@dankpizzle77]

🥷🏿🫵🏿 that sample sum real 👨🏿‍🌾🆙🆙

[@SlyProfits]

its invaluable especially with ai content you make, ill take out the vocals and add it to actual music. it can be a little iffy, and i dont like how its only the 4 options for stems, and wish they had standalone as in i dont have to fire up software or a mpc to use it. but i like once you normalize, bring up the gain, its not bad

[@palimo3653]

Accurate already did this video bro

[@BoloDaProducer]

Good to hear 🔥

[@dankpizzle77]

@@BoloDaProducer🤣👨🏿‍🌾Right?!?🤦🏿‍♂️

[@bro.sweets4583]

I like the Software better Bolo.

[@GOASTWRITTER]

There’s a lot more Audio aliasing in standalone. But what can you do? Until they come with higher specs on their SBC. It is what it is.

[@RickRijuanaPro]

🔥Comparison I wouldn't use the standalone stems.

[@HubertCopeland-mu3eh]

Big Brother Bolo,....."AKAI'S PLUG",I really don't beg but this subject matter is critical. KINDLY ASK AKAI'S DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO IMPLEMENT THE USAGE OF IMPC IN 2.0,AND ADD STEMS TO THE APP.MOST PEOPLE ARE USING Moises and Koala....What harm, will Akai incur????I don't know but Akai can still charge the 9.99 fee,and still come off on top ,THE COMMUNITY NEEDS YOUR VOICE, A CALL WOULD NOT HURT,BUT ITS A TRY ....FAMILY...THANKS AGAIN

[@drindy5166]

I found less artifacts with software in comparison with standalone albeit minimal. 👊🧡👍

[@juswill2222]

SOFTWARE SOUNDS MUCH BETTER BUT STANDALONE STILL USEABLE

[@THA-REAPER]

Its what I expected...but to be honest its better than nothing. It'll get better with time. Its more of a convience anyway. I feel like you should utilize "ALL" of these pieces of software that offer. Test them all every time you have the time to see of you can get better results. If they're all working on algorithms when using different software and you expect everything to be perfect by hitting a single button...thats not how it works. Its doing the guess work for you. It doesn't truly know what you want and it's a case by case basis between the sources of audio.

[@jaypkock]

"close enough for blues"

[@LIONOFYAHAWADA]

Some people are silly. CPU and RAM are where the power is. Standalone is good enough. Garbage in Garbage out.

[@yuronzastreeter1270]

A keyboard processor is weaker than a computer processor so of course you get better sound and most of the time you can figure out what you're going to do with the samples.

[@Brezizmo]

Stems froze on me today in standalone and couldn’t shut down properly. Only had an mpc for a week 😫

[@erreidwas]

Any tool is useful in a Masters hands.

[@bboymac84]

Yea they better make it sound better to stay on top

[@morigatewood6653]

My standalone won’t hold stems…I updated it and it keeps telling me to activate stems separation in preferences with my inmusic. It won’t fly!

[@myfathersson3751]

My stems came out great and I sampled from my cell🤷🏿‍♂️

[@BoloDaProducer]

Dope!

[@THA-REAPER]

@@myfathersson3751 Making beats in jail...ground braking. Nah lol I got what you mean. That was my initial thought though.

[@EllzTheEnginEar]

the software is better but the hardware is doable. If I'm home I know how to work standalone while using the software. Im' sure they will update before the year is over with.

[@jrobinson615]

Software version sounds better than standalone. Still 🔥 tho 💯

[@10thLtrBeatz]

Bro you had to do the comparison video 😂😂😂

[@BoloDaProducer]

Yeah I did 🤣

[@ipainthouses3084]

Doesnt the X and key 61 have a more powerfull processor then the live and one ? So the stems sounds better on a X then on the live and one

[@MetatronsCube23]

No, they all use the same 1.8GHz quad-core processor. Only difference is on board hard drive sizes, and more RAM on the X( 4gb vs 2gb on everything else)

[@BoloDaProducer]

Correct

[@thomson01]

The software version has much clearer sound, especially the drum line and the bass line.

[@TBearTheDJ]

while i agree i feel like the slight advantage is the software version sound is directly thru the computer to his Video software he's recording from but i could be wrong

[@thomson01]

@@TBearTheDJ I did some testing myself and I can confirm that the software version has crispier and clearer drum and bass lines. It also pull vocals much better.

[@AJWISE41]

I tried standalone on a sample. It didn't sepatate $#!t all the stems had bleed from thd other sounds. Im a try again later

[@extendedplay8830]

Software usage sounds better !!

[@FlatWHDF]

Stems aren't for everything

[@lyng9834]

@Ryland I have a 5000 if you are looking for one

[@blackspyder865]

Yeah I can hear the difference software sounds better

[@AntoineLyles]

It sounds the same. It's not to auvious

[@verbone]

Funny because I see some KZbinrs big upping it. To me, it sounds terrible. Rarely usable quality. Even the bass is usually bad.

[@bondson0094]

I don't think stand alone is that far off at all.. Just me.

[@Clipwilsonbeats]

None of it sounds awful to me all of it can be used in the proper context of making music people want everything to be perfect until a hit is made with these so called terrible artifacts and then everyone will hop on the wave and those artifacts will become a popular sound in music just like auto tune did

[@Andre7414]

It’s cool… people are so spoiled today.

[@MadACeTeeMack]

I got a feeling alot less people will be doing music now with NCAA25 being out lol

[@BoloDaProducer]

I’m doing both!

[@steviehustlingnetwork3129]

Akai needs to stop. I understand it's about business, but in 2024 processing power, and ram should not be an issue. Constantly introducing machines with a slight bump up and processing power. Also Ram. Smdh. I don't care about new machines. I would much rather have a stronger system. We would pay for it in the 1990s we paid $4000 for a MPC 4000. I'm not saying they should charge that much. All I'm saying is that they can't use the price as an excuse. The new stems feature sounds horrible on the standalone because of the processing power come on now.

[@88keyz]

🫡👍🏾🫡

[@stefrance2]

Well … the stand alone version is indeed unsusable …. 😂😂😂😂

[@JohnnyJohnHub]

Vid about nothing

[@ShadesMichaelsgmail]

Bolo Im getting a used MPC one in mint condition can i still registered it thanks!