MPs inflict further Brexit defeats on May in no-deal votes

MPs have voted against the idea of Britain leaving the EU without a deal, clearing the way for Brexit to be delayed. In chaotic scenes, the government whipped its MPs to vote against its own motion after an amendment to it was passed, but it lost again
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[@innuendo8497]

First time I watched British parliament and all I heard was: The eyes to the left, the nose to the right. wth? And who’s that funny man with a colorful tie shouting oooooorrrrrdddddaaahhhhh.

[@an_idiot4777]

Okay so we have a "Speaker" (that's the man in the tie) John Bercow and he essentially supervises the commons. When voting it is described as the "ayes" (yes') and the "no's" (self explanatory for that one). The "left" side is typically the opposition to the government, the "right" is what the government want to do. So in this case the government want to prevent a No Deal Brexit, so they are on the right, while the ones that do (The ayes) are on the left. Hope that clears some stuff up

[@kemalturkoz2857]

Innuendo 84 😅

[@connorphilipp]

@Mobley House Video that's actually the case in most denocratic countries. America is one of the few countries that have "the winner takes it all" systems in place. Having more than one faction in the government makes a country more democratic by definition

[@stevepetty7009]

@@connorphilipp Yes. 2 parties aid democracy. Except that all the opposition do is try to bring down the government so they can take power. There is a lot to be said for multi party government, and it is anyway better than direct democracy in complex issues like Brexit, which just reflects the will of the cleverest manipulators.

[@tigereye1208]

It's a system adopted by many countries around the world. I guess it must work.

[@stevenfoleyuk9404]

EU is going to have the last laugh when they order us the Leave on the 29th , if they don’t then this is going to go on for years

[@jondough679]

Lets pray Italy or some other EU nation veto any extension

[@zezinharias]

@BesteKanaal1 i doubt that

[@zezinharias]

@@jondough679 🙏🙏

[@stephenisom6089]

its time the queen did something useful and stepped in and order this rabble of individuals all self important pulling in different directions for there own false self egos ,,and give them an ultimatum or dissolve this disloyal traitorous bunch of cretins ,,

[@applecrumble8424]

So you want an unelected head of state to have power over parliament, at the same time lamenting the lack of democracy in the EU Commission? - A typically unnuanced understanding of the EU by a Brexiter. - The hypocrisy in your comment - aside from the irritatingly unnecessary double commas and lack of capital letters laden ramble - is breathtaking.

[@a.l.rockliffe]

Try and muster enough intellect to determine why she has not intervened Stephen.

[@stephenisom6089]

@@a.l.rockliffe try and be polite ..

[@a.l.rockliffe]

@@stephenisom6089 Try and think.

[@stephenisom6089]

@@applecrumble8424 these are elected to do as instructed that is democracy they are not doing so ,and will carry on not doing so unless the eu warn them or better all around our queen does it with a threat ,,a remoaner you want remain at any cost ,,we do not the legal majority the winners being dictated to by the losers who enjoy this because it gives you hope of being in a tick box eu democracy ,

[@jojobarnard6390]

I thought John Bercow was shouting duhhhh at the start😂🤦🏼‍♀️ Yes sir these numpties are duhhhhh

[@raymorse3259]

I think it should be put back to the MP`s for a 2nd vote as they did`nt know what they were doing first time round. !!

[@MrTomtomtest]

That vote doesn't actually matter. No deal is still the default.

[@crazyhai8155]

Iamtop I'm afraid not (though don't shoot the messenger). No Deal is dead now - seriously. The MPs can vote to cancel Brexit, instead (if neither an extension nor May's deal is accepted by them). Currently, there ARE more in the house in favour of that, than No Deal. 'No Brexit' is the most likely default now, if they are pushed to a default (and a direct choice between No Deal or No Brexit). Most would be reluctant to do either - there would be serious problems with both. But if forced, it's No Brexit for them. In reality though, Parliament is likely to go for an extension first of all (or possibly May's deal next week). Even with an extension though, it is only delaying what will probably now end with May's deal, anyway. I'm afraid if Brexiteer MPs want any version of Brexit at all, they are now stuck with May's deal. It's finally endgame on this parliamentary deadlock.

[@davidwheeler5057]

Ridiculous, we didn’t vote for a deal, we voted to leave.

[@andrew300169]

David Wheeler nope you voted for cake and eat it, they need us more than we need them, Norway style deal. The lies have now been shown for what they are; 2nd referendum brexit is utterly dead except with the racists and loons

[@davidwheeler5057]

andrew30 cake and eat it? The fact that they need us has always been obvious, they want our money but not our input as there new proposals for the eu dictatorship spells out, as for you racist comment I can only presume you can’t spell nationalist or patriot, remainers should not have a say, they lost....remember democracy...or are you one of Corbyns the clowns followers, in which case you can’t even spell it never mind practice it. Have a nice day 😘

[@davidwheeler5057]

Alfa&Omega 00000 you need some serious medical attention, that island you talk of is still a major world power no matter what you simple mind may think, if you ever imagine otherwise...wake yourself up, your arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance and stupidity, go and lie down in a dark room and take some rest, you are obviously suffering some kind of brain infection. When you have rested then go get help, I wish you luck with your delusions 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🇬🇧

[@calixdazeroth1422]

what a clusterfuck of a situation.

[@nellbrown770]

how dare they vote against no deal..

[@zezinharias]

Lol suck on that

[@andrew300169]

The have decided to stop placating the children and have voted for jobs

[@welshhawk4723]

e.u are saying there will be no extension leave date is the 29th a month after we leave we be applying too rejoin e.u lol

[@peregrineslim4446]

END of MAY!

[@peterebel7899]

the date of EU parliament elections.

[@incognitoclam2612]

@@zeonav5194 just sooo many bad puns im loving it

[@crazyhai8155]

Peregrine Slim Actually, this will probably be the saviour of May (even though she didn't want No Deal ruled out). Even with an extension, they are going to have to ultimately vote for her deal. The only other choices are No Deal (though they've practically ruled that out now), or No Brexit. Either of those two have very serious consequences, so they'll likely go for May's deal. So she will finally look successful, and regain some power.

[@johnnyfeve5950]

Don't worry the public await them in the Elections

[@fje1948]

Jonjack Fefe Can’t wait to give the BlueKIP party a miss, for the first time ever........

[@jgtemperton]

Poor baby.

[@andrew300169]

Who’s going to vote for racist UKIP that even farage says are unelectable

[@andrew300169]

Old Monty I tar UKIP by their policies and the actions of their leader bringing the ex leader of EDL in the centre of his team, the rallies he chooses to speak at, its clear who he is trying to get support with

[@tigereye1208]

Nobody will vote UKIP-BNP into the Commons. They have no MPs for a reason.

[@hanzoshimada702]

I'm confused, i voted to remain but I'm confused in the part of us leaving... is it still happening or are they delaying it? This surely isn't democracy if the mp's are going against what the people wanted right?

[@Morn2moon]

they just over ruled the people's vote

[@ZipotheThird]

They've refused May's final deal and then today they refused to allow Britian to leave the EU without a deal. Which leaves 3 possible options, The EU granting an extension for negotiations, Revoking Article 50 keeping us in the EU which can be done before the 30th or finally the EU refuses to grant us an extension and we have to leave without a deal. The third option might seem crazy because Parliment literally voted to prevent the UK leaving the EU without a deal, but we have no power of the actual EU, the EU will most likely tell May that she can take her deal or gets nothing. If we're forced to leave the EU without a deal because the EU wouldn't give us an extension then you can be Parliment will be thrown into chaos, May will be pressured to step down, we might see another GE, I imagine we'll get more Tories leaving the party to join the new indepenant party formed by Tories and Labor leavers. Then again if May is forced to revoke article 50 and keeps us in the EU we'll see the same thing, as all those who voted Leave will feel betrayed (They already do) The best thing May can hope for is if the EU grant us an extension but they won't.

[@hanzoshimada702]

@@ZipotheThird thank you, this whole thing is a mess, i don't understand why we don't just leave, I'd be surprised if the EU kept to their deal now

[@connorphilipp]

@@ZipotheThird Well...the first one is very unlikely as it is clear that Europe doesn't need the UK as much as the UK needs Europe. I also don't see Europe granting the UK an extension, as doing this could encourage other countries (f.e. Poland) to leave the EU, since it would seem thag Europe wants to do as little harm to countries leaving as possible. No deal is the best solution for Europe right now since UK can't seem to decide on anything, as it may hurt the EU, but it'll hurt the UK wayyy more Edit: Oh and the EU wants to hurt the UK because we want to prevent other countries from leaving the Union (if that wasn't clear already)

[@ZipotheThird]

@@hanzoshimada702 tbh we're all a bit confused why we didn't just leave, for the Tories who have been pushing to leave the EU since 2012/2013 a no deal brexit was the best way to get what they wanted and secure their seats against backlash from Leave voters. The fact they've voted down a deal and voted down a no deal brexit is mental, they're in massive danger of alienating Leave voters and if we're forced to leave without a deal because The EU won't give us an extension then the Goverment is in breach of it's own ruilings. My guess is that Tonight when the 2nd Ref Vote is put before the house we might see a majority swing behind that, the EU will give us an extension to allow for a second referdum, which if the vote comes out differently allows the Goverment to get out of having to accept any blame for a cancelled Brexit

[@jordan9318]

Wether you voted in or out surely people see how important it is that government actually carry out the result.

[@vishalchhabra2237]

Agreed, the only credible way for the UK Parliament to not leave is for the people to change their minds.

[@vishalchhabra2237]

@Firsthgyhgyhuy Lastujhujhuj Yeah, it might not. What I am saying is that the only plausible way to defy a referendum is via another referendum; and even that would be difficult. But if the second referendum were to happen, Britain might vote to remain, considering that in the almost three years since the last one, enough people have died and enough new voters inducted that Brexit does not necessarily have a majority even if no one changed their voting preferences.

[@stephenisom6089]

@@vishalchhabra2237 we voted 1 man 1 vote ,not back and for when has that ever happened in this century,,

[@NotKewl]

R.I.P Democracy

[@andrew300169]

Noob Zero parliamentary democracy at work, taking back control. 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@incognitoclam2612]

@Old Monty unless..........

[@andrew300169]

Old Monty unless the U.K. agrees to a 2nd referendum, alternatively the PM will simply revoke article 50

[@MegaHooper25]

Can we please have another vote about the other 50 votes that went on today...?

[@VaucluseVanguard]

I never thought I would see a coup de tete in the UK with people taking power against the will of the people. If this stands, ordinary Brits will have accepted they a not sovereign but vassals of the ruling class. I used to tell my Australian and American friends that the social structures represented in Downton Abby were not a real reflection of what the UK was like; but I was wrong. Belonging to the EU or not is no longer the issue, what democracy means in the UK is now hat is at stake.

[@stevepetty7009]

Democracy is ideal when facts are known and voters understand them. Votes on emotions and gut feelings are not likely to produce ideal results and do democracy no favours.

[@Tommmmm.]

That means what?

[@michaellorke1980]

really nothing, no-deal is the default option and will remain so, regardless of what parliament decides. the point is that no-deal is the default option by European law (read the precise wording of article 50), parliament has no say on that.

[@Andrew-is7rs]

T S Absolutely sod all. All it means is there is even less time to thwart our democratic vote to leave on the 29th

[@orlaoto5794]

The seating arrangements and voting techniques in the HoC are archaic and adversarial and make MPs grumpy and negative. If I was herded out into the lobby and the doors locked so I could stand around and be harassed by the Whips while queueing up to vote I'd vote no to everything too. (Except getting a laptop stand and an electronic voting button)

[@chriswilde7246]

Too close to call.... Do it again!

[@freddiecawston2892]

English Civil War 2: Electronic Bugaloo...

[@Jo-Jo8vs]

I just saw 2 days ago news about Frankfurt. Beginning of 2016 about 2 million square meters had been available. And today? Nothing, even the builds they currently build are all occupied by banks and their support companies. So, as I'm working in Frankfurt and living nearby, go on and hopefully we will have a hard Brexit. Increase my wages and make my house much more worth (within the last 2 years the value of my house increased about 50,000). From this point of view, well-done Brexiteers.

[@bogdantudor7835]

What a joke of politic class have Uk ! It is s circus?

[@isobar5857]

Default position......we leave on the 29th.

[@mc-ec3bu]

They will get there way they have the money, inference and the civil service .We have the GE but by then they will have it all stitched up.

[@timmins316]

No Brexit

[@interdimentionalwizardwiz4468]

And so..... MPs demonstrate that they are not democratic.... now it is ONLY possible to leave with no deal on the 29th of March. This was NOT a vote to take 'no deal' off the table... that is the LEGAL DEFAULT. This was a vote to determine if there were sufficient MPs that woul vote FOR a no deal Brexit, if so then no further considerations would have been considered..... However this does not remove 'no deal' in fact that is now the ONLY OPTION left that maintains democracy.

[@traceybyrne721]

Delay

[@interdimentionalwizardwiz4468]

please see the video in the message below... that shows there will be no delay... its only 1 minute long the government's promise at the referendum

[@traceybyrne721]

Can they delay because we leave by law is the default

[@rmason4358]

Revoke Article 50

[@fje1948]

R Mason Yes......

[@freddiecawston2892]

no

[@andrew300169]

👌👌👌👌👌

[@high-fivehigh-tech3884]

END of DEMOCRACY

[@KentVigilante]

No deal is still possible they just need to vote down and extension of Brexit if it gets voted down we leave with no deal by default on the 29th of March.

[@h3akalee]

@Old Monty A long time because people are too comfortable and soft in the UK.I know cos i had my 21st in Iraq and i see the way the worlds going trust me.

[@claudiar7186]

You mean end of your illusion of democracy.

[@claudiar7186]

@Old Monty This vote means you weren't really ever getting out scotch-free anyways. They always intended to keep the boot on your necks regardless of what they called it.

[@andrew300169]

Brexit is dead, the ERG are looking at Mays deal, could complete climb down, Parliament has taken back control, economics, jobs, futures has won the day😂🤣🤣😂😅😅😅

[@papanino4415]

So nearly 50% of the house of commons are ready to jump off the cliff without a rope? I think it's officially time to be scared.

[@abt6419]

@Firsthgyhgyhuy Lastujhujhuj you are an idiot. Read some of your other comments... oh boi

[@alanbrooke144]

The Guardian must be happy, seems the UK’s politicians have decided that the electorate made the wrong choice, and as their betters, have decided to keep the UK in the EU.

[@fannyannie7799]

If our MP’s can’t get a deal that’s ‘reasonably’ acceptable to the British people; then they MUST leave without a deal (and sort this s**t out with the EU leaders afterwards)! If the cowardly politician’s keep the UK ‘tied’ to the EU against the majority will of the people, then the respect for ‘ALL’ politicians and the current political process will be irrevocably damaged. Eventually civil unrest will inevitably occur (small scale initially, but growing to large scale over a short period of time)! 😞

[@andrew300169]

Fanny Annie nope anybody with half a brain will have seen HQs leaving, car companies haemorrhaging jobs and investment. Do you think Sunderland will vote brexit again? Wales has gone completely remain. Face saving way to end brexit and it goes away a bad idea

[@Andrew-is7rs]

WTO here we come baby.... Any more meaningless votes are most welcome as they suck the remaining days until the default position in UK law to leave on the 29th, could this be a fumbled master stroke from the Maybot? 😂

[@peter7660]

Indicative votes to come, majority in the commons for custom union and close ties with the single market. Bye bye brexit.

[@Andrew-is7rs]

Peter E A perfectly silly reply. There can be no customs union unless a deal with it in is signed upon. That was kicked out twice in case you didnt know. The single market? Every nation on earth has access to the single market...try again. The UK is bound in LAW to leave on the 29th, there is no time repeal it. An extension? The EU would want a very good reason, years of extension and of course a bribe ie a second referendum. Not going to happen. Bye bye the EU. Simple

[@georgedoorley5628]

@@peter7660 time is running out for sense to prevail ......!

[@georgedoorley5628]

@@Andrew-is7rs art 50 can be suspended ..................

[@Andrew-is7rs]

George Doorley It CANNOT BE SUSPENDED, it is UK LAW, it can ONLY be repealed. There is no time left to do that unless the EU ‘give the UK’ an ‘extension’. And even then, NO GOVT will dare repeal Art50 Time is on my side.... Tic toc, tic toc

[@acelectricalsecurity]

All these scare stories about a no deal, total rubbish, as usual a small group looking after themselves, I remember we were all doomed in the year 2000, planes dropping out of the skies hospitals going into melt down, and what happened nothing, oh a few people got very rich, remember the millennium bug, all seems very similar

[@UnknownGnome1]

A massive amount of people worked years and at a minimum 200 billion dollars was sunk into making sure the millennium bug wouldn't cause the fallout it was predicted to cause. If it was left unchecked then the effects would've been catastrophic. Nothing happened because of the countless software engineers tasked with solving the problem. Rather than parroting what Jacob Rees-Mogg said you should do some research and maybe learn something.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

@@UnknownGnome1 yeah I am sure they would have, I knew several people that worked on that and in their words a licence to print money, and they said that probably nothing would happen any way, and that's from the horses mouth

[@andrew300169]

Perhaps the HQs leaving, jobs leaving, weren’t enough, did you need unicorns flying away as well?? Dyson flew away is that the same?

[@acelectricalsecurity]

@A b1986 ha ha, probably, I like to think as myself as a realist

[@themightydash1714]

So now they'll have a vote on extending the leave period. That needs full EU approval, which it's very very unlikely to get. The default position is to leave in 16 days wiith no deal, If there is no extension, we leave with no deal in 16 days unless there is another referendum, which needs a minimum of 28 days notice. which there is not. The UK leaves with no deal in 16 days. Unless the UK and EU want to extend the deal, the EU have already said there is no more negotiation, so if thats true. we leave in 16 days :D

[@nacimsouni8539]

Just there something i don't undestand. Why would the EU members refuse to postpone Brexit ?

[@applecrumble8424]

Uh, no. The EU will agree an extension for a good reason; i.e. a referendum, an election, indicative votes leading to a decisive vote etc. You're not well read on this issue.

[@fannyannie7799]

Yup!... I think the EU will allow an extension to give the government (with encouragement from Labour & Liberals) enough time to arrange a 2nd referendum... GAWD HELP US ALL!!!

[@xoooxthanks6957]

whats scary is that almost 50% are for a no deal brexit

[@MrNukedawhales]

actually tories were "whipped" to vote for it (contrary to mays promise). so there have been several tories, who didnt vote with the party line... all im saying is, that this vote doesnt mean, that 50% of parliament think no deal is a genius idea, it means that 50% of parliament care more about their own job security than their country. so cheer up! ;)

[@andrew300169]

No they were promised the greatest deal in history, Norway style deal, cakes and eat it, easiest trade deal

[@incognitoclam2612]

she tried to pull amendment A then whipped against amendment A, then again against her own bill, even after saying it would be a free vote

[@simonwest1977]

Why's is it scary. No deal is what we want

[@andrew300169]

simonwest1977 nige promised a Norway style deal, easiest trade deal in history was promised

[@4bigmonk]

Come home nigel farage!

[@strofikornego9408]

No-Deal is illegal now 😂

[@googleisshittoss]

Do your research you idiot

[@Andrew-is7rs]

Strofi A perfectly stupid reply

[@stephenisom6089]

no//

[@strofikornego9408]

Those who support No-Deal defile the WILL OF THE PEOPLE !

[@Andrew-is7rs]

Strofi Kornego You are the gift that keeps giving... If there is ‘no deal’ then WTO is the default. Get used to it

[@DerbJd]

General Election NOW!!! Jeremy Corbyn for PM!!

[@levon5574]

Come on lets just stop this we had our fun

[@stephenisom6089]

were british we do not do give in ,,,unless your a remoaner ..

[@levon5574]

@@stephenisom6089 brexit is a english wet dream there is no us british

[@a.l.rockliffe]

To the combined Breixiteer brain cell, this is a meaningless (advisory) vote, as the default legal position is to leave on 29th with or without a deal.

[@Andrew-is7rs]

How charming... And in case you didnt know, we knew about this default position a very long time ago, and were never bothered snout this meaningless vote anyway as it isnt binding. So yeah, calm the smugness down, Opinions like yours were the reason why remain lost, and now have inspired more and more people to support a WTO ‘no deal’.

[@slainesaxon3809]

That's because this vote has no basis in law, were as article 50 was implemented by a majority in order to enact the will of the people. The contempt you and remain minister's have for the electorate is dangerous.

[@fannyannie7799]

OK! But what I’m shocked about is the reports today that the female Labour MP who was charged with FRAUD by the police (following a driving offence)... HAS BEEN ALLOWED TO VOTE ON THIS!??? When are we going to stop criminal MP’s from entering Parliament? Don’t we usually wait for them to retire and join the House of Lords instead? SHAME! SHAME! SHAME!

[@a.l.rockliffe]

@@slainesaxon3809 No, you having a vote is dangerous.

[@a.l.rockliffe]

@@Andrew-is7rsI did not "lose", I moved to France and "won". You will be the losers.