Mr. Bill's sub bass - but in Serum

[@ehcmier]

Yay! Our own oscillation overthruster! Thanks, Mr. Bill and MR!

[@De_Bars_Gullible_Travels]

😊using Serum now…. WoW!!!! Thanks Mike….

[@DanielTheia]

also, remember to put the phase randomization to zero :) thanks for your video tho!

[@shotaro_music7625]

Thank you very much for your clear and easy to understand explanations!🙏 I learned.💪

[@MikeRenouf]

You are welcome! Thanks for commenting ✨🪐

[@blindcamel6236]

Thank you again ! Your an absolute legend for this!

[@MikeRenouf]

Happy to help

[@blindcamel6236]

@@MikeRenouf you explain things very clearly and straight I have a few other video tutorial suggestions even though there are probably a few videos on it on yt i think they are not very well explained or offer very complex solutions, but im super grateful and happy with this knowledge already I don't want to ask for too much ahah once again thanx

[@MikeRenouf]

Well, if you dont ask, you dont get! 😆. Im always open to suggestions. ✨🪐

[@blindcamel6236]

​@@MikeRenouf A lot of people like to use the 'FM from A/B' in serum but it detunes at certain points, why it happens or if that's too complex what are some solutions around the detuning if it's possible to tune it back again with an external plugin or so? Also I just seen a different video by 'Ghosthack' that the serum FM actually uses Phase Modulation rather than Frequency Modulation but I think a few more people doing tutorials/explanations on this would be beneficial and maybe help to clarify what the differences are between the two phase modulation and frequency modulation ?

[@MikeRenouf]

I found your question on Ghosthack's video and tried to answer it there (so that he gets some benefit on the KZbin algorithm 👍). Its an interesting topic. I think its simply more efficient to code phase modulation than it is to code actual FM, and in most situations the sonic end result is almost indistinguishable.

[@DJeMo]

Nice one ma man, good stuff 〰️

[@iamlouisbullock]

Single Subway

[@MikeRenouf]

Spicy Italian is always a good choice - plus chipotle sauce 👌

[@dreamaera]

Man forgot to eat before recording 😂

[@MikeRenouf]

Dammit, now I'm thinking about nachos.

[@Reconsiderate]

🤔🤔 interesting technique

[@CosminPerisan]

Man, what about the phase randomization knobs? I think they need to be at 0. Great video tho🤟

[@MikeRenouf]

You might be right on that. I think perhaps the two oscillators use the same random seed though, so they stay in phase unless you have them at differing random amounts - otherwise the oscilloscope would have shown phase cancellation. Not sure, just a guess. I would definitely turn off phase randomisation if I did this again though 👍

[@CosminPerisan]

​@@MikeRenoufCan you please explain how would a "phase cancelation" situation would apear on the osciloscope?

[@MikeRenouf]

I think it would result in the output wave being reduced in volume.

[@CosminPerisan]

@@MikeRenouf Thank you for the reply! I think you might be right about not being worried about the phase randomization knobs being up, but I would still turn them down to 0. :)))

[@MikeRenouf]

Agreed!

[@maffickmusic]

so whats the difference here from just diving into the wavetable editor and adding a 3rd harmonic to the sine?

[@MikeRenouf]

Probably yours is a more elegant solution. When I made this I wasn't as familiar with the serum wavetable editor, so I used a directly equivalent process. I imagine there are several ways to do it.

[@Rollthered]

Mr.Bill credits Copycatt for this in one of his videos.

[@MikeRenouf]

Great! Credit where it's due 🙏 ✨🪐

[@WildWildHame]

Should you turn off phase randomization?

[@mothyy9]

yes

[@MikeRenouf]

Good question! I just tried this by re-making the patch I showed in the video - and with both oscillators having full phase randomisation on, they stay in sync. I'm guessing the phase randomisation uses a numerical seed which is the same on both osciallators. These means if you have one dialled with a different level of randomness to the other, they'll go out of phase and the effect is ruined. If both have the same level of randomisation you retain the reinforcement of the waveshapes. Hope this helps.

[@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135]

me I just use Operator for that tbh no cap

[@MikeRenouf]

Yeah totally makes sense. They're all just tools, and if you have one which makes a task simpler, then use that. This was just provided as a quick answer to a question I saw in a comment section.

[@colourbasscolourbassweapon2135]

@@MikeRenouf yeah and you only need one osc to do that, you can just draw it in serum or Operator tbh that's what i do and sometime in serum i used bit of bend aka +/- to make it a bit sawtooth wave to give a bit more of a fat sounding sub bass and a bit of a Texture sound tbh

[@lukeestes1637]

What oscilloscope are you using please? Thanks for this tut!

[@MikeRenouf]

Hi! Sorry it took a while to reply. The Oscilloscope is from www.socalabs.com and its free ✨🪐

[@lukeestes1637]

Thanks!

[@Niro_sounds]

Why not use the wavetable editor in serum?

[@MikeRenouf]

I suppose you could! This was just one method to achieve the result.

[@minawasan771]

Its both the same : D

[@HANENSMEDIALAB]

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[@coleeckert6182]

I don't think it's correct to say it's louder "because it's at it's highest extent for longer", because our ears don't hear that way. It sounds louder because it has a harmonic that's more perceivable.

[@MikeRenouf]

Thanks - that's a fair explanation. I agree with the correction. ✨🪐

[@arcerionmusic]

mfs when they learn about perceived loudness

[@coleeckert6182]

@@arcerionmusic :)

[@oxymoreproducer]

you can literally design the waveshape in the waveshape editor by picking exactly the harmonics you want, their loudness, and their phase. This tutorial is not thought through enough, make another one with the real technique. edit : keeping the second oscillator free could not only save a tiny little bit of CPU but also allow you to then modulate the first one for instance, or add actually anything of your choice on it, so thats another bonus point.

[@MikeRenouf]

Heh. There are many ways to do it. I was just asked how to achieve the sound in serum. You definitely could use the wavetables, as you say. The method I showed was intended to teach a little about FM. I could certainly do one about wavetables if you like? ✨🪐