Mr. T, Swiry heated debate on sin and King Solomon roots in Africa -The Wicked Edition episode 262

In one of the most heated debates ever on #TheWickedEdition, Apostle T. Mwangi and Swiry Nyar Kano engage on levels and types of spirituality including the definition of good and bad people and editing of the good Book .The interesting conversation ends in future.
The first part of the show also includes a comment from Grace Wambere, a mitumba expert on the controversial campaign promise by the Azimio presidential candidate Raila Odinga.
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[@djraskull6663]

MOST PEOPLE ARE SCARED TO LEAVE RELIGION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T IMAGINE A WORLD WHERE THEY ARE 💯 RESPONSIBLE FOR THERE ACTIONS.

[@sibusisomichaels]

🤯....hit it out of the park!!!

[@Balance-222]

Very true my brother, just to add on that one ,there's nothing or no one that the human being fear more that it's own self. we don't even fear the creator as much as we fear ourselves, it really funny . Subconsciously we know that there's no need to fear the devine creator. Why then are we afraid of our own potential? Why do we fear taking responsibility for our own creation around us ,the thing we say ,eat and do?.

[@sheldonscott1878]

Well written enlightened one!

[@sheldonscott1878]

Well written enlightened being

[@joybrowne3160]

Couldn't have said it better.

[@Elizabeth111t3]

Only the enlightened ones will understand what the lady is saying

[@cocoainnature3112]

She speaks with enlightenment and meanings to overstand and so most ppl will only listen with the response to Argue.

[@313woodxavi3]

I don't like how they keep interrupting her when she's making a valid point, making light of the information with jokes, then Mr T with his condescending tone as if to say, "she's just a child, she doesn't know what she's talking about" and "the bible says this.. The Bible says that.. So you're wrong". It's sickening🤮. We are the temple of God. ASÉ!!

[@empressfree6342]

Agreed!

[@hersafari]

Yes,,, the wiches& what not.smh

[@onesmusjrojsichaza957]

Very true comrade

[@estherkungu4360]

The fact that ,everyone believes his God is the true one and whoever disagree is the enemy , that alone speaks of how religion is a weapon to control and condition minds, when one starts asking questions and research on how religion started ,you realize it is a plan ,the kingdom of God is within you ,

[@sanelisiwedlamini7142]

ABSOLUTELY FACTS

[@telicads]

I agree

[@nikiwek.h6728]

Unless someone has a personal encounter with God, they cannot speak about Him. You cannot explain what you don't understand. That's all I can say.

[@lolitsskelly]

Someone’s being talking with God lately? What’s his take on the violence subjected towards the African people from the people of the Caucasus and how does he intend on fixing it?

[@benmichael4265]

That lady is very misguided. She is lost

[@muanazion7967]

@@benmichael4265 how is she misguided?

[@ianmunyao1963]

🤌💯

[@yelloseeseeuwaoma6789]

@@muanazion7967 Ben is actually the lost soul. When you're not open to learning you're simply a lost soul.

[@mantsko7]

Those who understand Nyar hope y'all are spreading the knowledge too stay true to your journey alot of -ve energy out here ✌🏽

[@user-wc9rt9mr9u]

As Christians we need to pray like Elijah that the True God will be revealed to such as these. That is the only way this arguments will end.

[@carolinemwikali3121]

Absolutely

[@jacklineodero3984]

@@user-wc9rt9mr9u we don't need to pray, just look for facts, facts and more facts.

[@nyangiokinda318]

We are here. Staying true

[@bronzemanbvch]

We all need to come together and build a community in Africa where we can live in peace and harmony, something this world know nothing of anymore. We should create a forum where likes mind can Meet share experiences.

[@rachelwambui6087]

I absolutely love her. As many have mentioned, she is still on a path to articulate her understanding in accessible language. But she's a seeker, who has enough courage to speak her truth, even if it represents the minority. Glad we've come as far as discussing these issues in mainstream media. That's progress I suppose.

[@gathonimwangi5949]

It's major progress walai

[@samuelkamau3418]

@@gathonimwangi5949 I love her courage to take the unchattered path knowing the redicule she will attract. It is easier for Mr. T to appear to outsmart her considering that he is supporting the conventional ideology that have been consumed for many generation

[@emmanuelbecool]

Dooctrine of devils defying YWHV , spirituality without aknowleding Christ /God is foolishness and such will wake up to realization of judgement before Christ . So let us not be fools

[@G-Money90]

@@emmanuelbecool but you are African and you are referring to God in a fake language? What part of "say they are Jews and are not" don't you understand? It means that even the language is made up because they are Kazars which have they're own language and culture. They plagerized the Bible from Bantu people. So please sit down and re-examine your truth because the reason you don't understand this Queen speaking is primarily because you are refusing to stare truth in the face.

[@emmanuelbecool]

@@G-Money90 Well The true only God YHWV has made Himself known through His Son Christ and His Spirit The Holy Spirit who witnesses Jesus so the Father. About our African belifs we were in darkness but now the light shines and darkness naturally flees from the light of the glory of God and His coming Kingdom through the one He ordained Jesus Christ.so i prefer to live in the light and delight in knowing Him and proclamation of His son for the kingdom thank you

[@binjimaweng5183]

I am a Christian and all that I can say I've seen God working in my life.I have no doubt in the Lord God i serve...Jesus loves you all

[@masharianjuguna4990]

Its true, but there is no sin in knowing the truth. May be you can earn more blessings that way.

[@user-wc9rt9mr9u]

@@masharianjuguna4990 If Christianity has the power to destroy African spirituality where is the superiority you claim? Where is the superiority?. What was conquered can never return.dawa ni ile ile. You deceive yourselves into future humiliation ,pain and suffering.

[@masharianjuguna4990]

@@user-wc9rt9mr9u Well, I would agree if there is any Christianity remaining. To my understanding, Christianity is following the footsteps of Christ. Tell me now, how much of Christianity is remaining on earth today?

[@queenwere1]

@@user-wc9rt9mr9u I left Christianity 4 years ago and I am prospering with my new found afrikan spirituality To each his own Work out your own salvation through research and re-education of your life

[@gakahuarthur993]

Christianity is a religion. our relationship with God goes beyond religion. if we understand that ungezaliwa Mombasa ama Gulf most likely you'd be a Muslim. youd belive in God but communicate in a different way with Him. kama ni India you'll be a Hindu.

[@nigelminor5624]

Mr T is so articulate he is using actual tangible facts not hearsay.. he understands what he is doing..

[@tim04688]

His reference is the bible...he cant get out of it.. how can one book be a final reference?

[@ianwesley2569]

Facts ilichange meaning

[@RJ-3Ls]

Actual tangible facts according to whom? The white man? You have been deeply indoctrinated by the West brother but the sad thing is you wont realize it because they've taught you how to think and what to believe. Wake up and stop swallowing white man's deception and his way of living.

[@derrickmills687]

what facts ? oh you mean the bible he got from our slave owner

[@ianwesley2569]

@@derrickmills687 The man considers his as facts and discredits the ladies refere6

[@kogutu14]

I’m all about re learning everything that was Instilled in me and it should make sense. I would choose spiritually over religion anytime coz that’s where I found my God.

[@Jay-wi5gh]

Same!!!!

[@karugapaul7937]

What I respect about her is that she always makes it clear, "according to me!"

[@stevek8318]

Unamjua, feel pity for her??

[@karugapaul7937]

No I dont

[@vivianmwende7551]

The most unwise comment I've read ... wueh .... Kindly revise wisdom and make sure you can defend it 😌

[@karugapaul7937]

I respect people who speak out their mind not to be condemned but to be corrected. The fact that I put a quote and quote should question your grammar with all due respect.@vivian

[@vivianmwende7551]

@@karugapaul7937 When it comes to the Bible there's absolutely no debate on that or 'according to me ' issue. And no she wasn't condemned . She was corrected and more facts were added to what she said .

[@robertmuithya]

I liked the discussion, still waiting for part 2. I like the calmness in Mr. T he is wise in these deep matters of God.

[@beng-legit5718]

Romans 5:8 But God demonstrated His own love towards us in that while we were still sinners Christ died for us "

[@convinemukidanyi864]

God bless you Pastor T. Thank you so much man of God

[@klinsmann7627]

something to admire about mr T is his listening skills

[@bikoomondi8979]

you cant claim to listen if you already have a pre-judgment on what is being spoken to you.

[@samkarsamkar191]

The way he explains things unaelewa sio kizungu mingi na kupoteza listeners

[@mobdicklizardman6080]

He's just ignorant man u can see the way when the lady speaks facts he jokes on it but when the pastor speaks nothing he just give him a pass 😤🤦🏾‍♂️

[@Tydatrainer85]

He needs to shut dafuq u he’s lost 😂😂😂

[@sithabelamandlawenkosiwodu6298]

@@mobdicklizardman6080 this Mr T literally point blank said Instagram is not a library 🤣🤣🤣. These are the things people come up with when they have no argument.

[@kjohns4442]

Ooooh....this women bana... Am in love with her mind. So open !!!

[@anngacheri4260]

Beware that you can be so open minded that your brains fall off

[@fruitsarelife7073]

@@anngacheri4260 Be careful that you are so close minded that you become the arm of the Western colonial system that keeps us in problems. And also the minds of Africans.

[@hannahackerman5017]

She is telling the truth. I sooo love her. Yes i have sin...and sin to my own self for we are god .god made us ib his own image. Remember ????

[@ibanlimited2020]

the sister is knowledgeable, aware and quite expressive. She understands what 99.999% of the world's population don't. Mr. T is quiet intelligent, young and has the Potential to be influential not just in his local community, but Africa as well. However, he does not understand language or what language is about and how it works, because if he does, he won't be carried away by the poetry of religion, poetry in language make languages highly manipulative, which is what is used in religious teachings these days and use in the translation of religious scriptures for hundreds of years now. The lady understands it but does not have the charisma of Mr. T, who lacks the knowledge and facts that she has. He has cognitive dissidence, and honestly so, while she has knowledge, understanding and not interested in arguing about it. 'My people perish for lack of knowledge', not faith!!! Don't forget, Jesus NEVER preached Christianity, he preached consciousness. Read the Bible to inner-stand and overstand, don't read the Bible to just validate what you think you know already, you won't learn anything from it.

[@benmichael4265]

Naona pia wewe umepotea

[@ibanlimited2020]

@@benmichael4265 meaning? In English please?

[@andrewmungai6366]

she is possessed

[@ibanlimited2020]

@@andrewmungai6366 Why do you think so, and possessed by what?

[@tonimurphy4470]

@@andrewmungai6366 😂😂😂😂 how you know?

[@beasthacker4051]

All I can say is that if anyone doubt the existence of God just pray and he will direct you to do good

[@Noelitall]

Science shows there's no proof so...

[@brianowuoche2337]

This is an eye-opener. We need to review our histrory as blacks!

[@kencheruiyot4632]

We need more of these conversations. One thing I can add in support of Nyar Kano is that we can't rely 100% on the official history as taught by the Europeans and consequently as taught in our schools. This is because whoever is in power at the time a particular history is written will edit it to suit them. For instance Spain can't teach in their history that at one time the country was ruled by blacks known as moors because it isn't convenient for them. Our African heritage was criticized and demonized and sadly many Africans have yet to recover from this. They believe anything the white man says and scoff at their fellow Africans for lacking 'wisdom'.

[@danielkye_]

We need to expand on this African truths that were taken out of context, our spirituality as African's is higher than those of Europeans brought to use

[@wanjiruwambui8741]

Very true

[@queenwere1]

@@danielkye_ this is very true. We have been programed to hate ourselves

[@danielkye_]

@@queenwere1 which is a colonial default used through the religion they brought to us. We are creatures of heightened abilities and capabilities but limited by chains of oppressive religions

[@samkarsamkar191]

I totally disagree with you sir,just go back and listen to everything she was talking about its not the way you think,no evidence no nothing.

[@apostleanthonykuraru5628]

This lady is awakened.

[@patricknjau8072]

true...

[@patricknjau8072]

true..

[@user-wc9rt9mr9u]

Into demonology. She will never know peace. The devil doesn't do friends he will steal kill and destroy her. Why call yourself an apostle ?

[@jacklineodero3984]

💯 I agree, and we have a long way to go

[@jesusdaughter2121]

Even wizards are awakened, depends with what you believe in. Its either darkness or light...no in betweens🙂

[@Kibaet]

Im glad it's finally here Wake up Kenya

[@TK-rs4mh]

A colonizer watching this pastor is very proud of his work!! God come through for Africans Aki it’s been wayyy too long! 🙏🏾 this lady has so much knowledge it’s impressive!

[@sule_imani]

😅 Your hypocrisy is ridiculous. Look at you typing on your on your device powered by electricity, wearing your clothes. Mbona hujakataa hizo vitu za colonizer? Even good things can come from a bad person

[@sule_imani]

@@BF4REAL Buda, if you choose to accept the "colonizer's" things that work for you, don't criticize someone else for accepting other things that work for them. We are literally communicating in the coloniser's language. Siskii ukikataa hiyo. You chose smartphone, he chose Christ. Sit down and be humble

[@TK-rs4mh]

@@sule_imani what ridiculous is your comment continue worshipping your white Jesus in peace nobody is stopping you! SMH!

[@TK-rs4mh]

@@BF4REAL Huyu hawezi saidika 😅

[@truetohim4968]

You're such a joke. Get your history facts right. The true Israelites are of dark skin. The bible is black history. Colonizers just used what was ours against u

[@IamJemoh]

The lady! 🔥🔥🔥👍👍👍😅😅😅 She's speaking facts!

[@mikemekonnen9957]

Hello,... we Ethiopians are here too listening so please we know our history oky ,,. We protected our history with our elders bones and blood,.. don’t forget we were the dark at the darkest hours at adwa ,... thank you sister for leading the path to his reality

[@samuelkamau3418]

Mr. T rides on the fact that the audience is mostly composed of religious masses. I give it to him that he is articulate. However, being dismissive of your opponent's sources of information as merely youtube is arrogant and condescending. After all some of us are watching this through youtube and this doesn't make it less authentic. Respecting your opponent in a debate increases your likelihood of winning them over in the debate, as their invitation to participate as a panelist is already acknowledgement by the host of the value that they add to the debate.

[@wycliffepoet5201]

Good stuff

[@carrymastori1945]

makasiriko pelekea nyanye

[@samuelkamau3418]

​@@carrymastori1945 This is a platform for dropping wisdom. I think you lost your way...Sorry, I forgot that it is what christians do whenever anyone is of a contrary opinion. They make the devil look like a saint. You can now return back to being pointless

[@brianngugi5624]

Hahahaha 🤣😂🤣🤣😂 facts don't care how you feel.

[@michaelrapando6658]

@@brianngugi5624 facts from plagiarized text you mean

[@abelinxx2820]

Mr. T telling it like it is.. We want to kick God out of the equation because we don't want to be accountable to authority

[@KuiyuOfficial]

Be accountable to yourself. Your inner God

[@ndimuafrica]

Christians blame everything on the devil. How's that accountability?

[@Chigz_geey]

Exactly

[@mercyjumaofficial1943]

Which is actually what we do these days

[@abelinxx2820]

@@KuiyuOfficial please break it down for me... what do you mean by my Inner God?

[@maluethsantinobolweet6731]

I like this lady's IDEAS and points.

[@edddelarocka9753]

When the right button is pressed,every person is capable of going beyond the laws of nature.That part i agree with. 🙏

[@msaniinguruhsimon5523]

Mr T youre God Sent your wisdom is God given.

[@account0017]

Topic kama hizi zinataka podcast, corporates will not fully support such controversial topics on their tv stations.

[@samuelkamau3418]

I agree. They wouldn't wonna risk being politically incorrect as their audience is mostly composed of masses blinded by foreign religion. I always note a lot of bias in moderation whenever this kind of debates are held on our mainstream media.

[@Silas_Wahome]

this cant be quantified

[@trucksbypaul5867]

Smh 🤦🏿‍♂️, my people perish for lack of wisdom , pastor T God Bless you sir

[@mungainjogu3015]

Not wisdom... Its knowledge

[@ephantusgitahi5636]

I think you mean knowledge, and the knowledge you lack has been hidden from you intentionally. They have got you twisted and gave you a wrong perspective of everything.

[@cyrusogega6027]

No wisdom there..he is living in denial the laxy is much wiser and informed

[@mathainjoroge356]

Religion is a set of rules to divide and conquer. Spirituality is the way to go.

[@wanjirukamau9703]

So true

[@abubakarmohammed1924]

What's spirituality?

[@Trotterstradinglimited]

Please differentiate….

[@taipavevo1771]

@@Trotterstradinglimited watch roots party anthem pliz

[@rodgerswanjala3057]

Religion is religion and spirituality is a rebranded religion so spirituality is religion.

[@ericthaiya8630]

Mr T, good job. You have poured a lot of knowledge in a cool and collective manner. Kudos for not loosing your cool.

[@collodejesus9901]

The opening statement from Pst T is the summary of the whole conversation. As long as you exclude God you loose everything.

[@J_a_s_o_n]

Amen

[@obongo96]

Tell that to the millions of your ancestors that were killed by the same pple that brought u christianity

[@SeerMwihaki777]

💯💯💯

[@salomegichuho574]

💯

[@jditsheho]

Have you examined the etymology of the word "God" as to its time of concoction relative to the content of the Bible and original meaning?

[@julius795841]

Am here to listen to Mr T.... I like the knowledge in him

[@ngeshdaboprint1741]

It's a shame how some of you worship another society impression version of supreme being

[@petermbugua5617]

By the Grace of GOD through all this teachings by Pastor Mr.T, Dr. King'ori ata get saved.

[@henrikariuki4702]

Lol! What is getting saved? She might not be right on some points but neither is Pastor T. No one is right. Like he said all this things we were born with.

[@Wanjiku_Ngugi]

Amen Amen

[@Noelitall]

Get saved??? I'd rather worship goats than a hypocritical god like yahweh

[@emc9946]

People fear the dark because they fear themselves.... That hits different. Huu mwaka mungu ameamua kuchangamsha wakenya. BIG UP SISTER 🔥

[@thamcass5808]

ii ni bhangi

[@emc9946]

@@thamcass5808 the matrix has it's comforts so do your thing my guy. Sisi tulishagutuka. Na kura ni ya wajackoyah nigga 🇰🇪

[@obongo96]

@@emc9946 mwambie. Watu wanaamini tu vitu wazungu wanawaambia bila kudoubt na the same wazungu waliwacolonize na kuwaletea christianity. I mean we have seen what they do, how can we still believe what they say

[@freeze_maboringo]

Fear of the dark is evolutionary psychology. Predators hid in the dark while stalking prey because the dark conceals them, increasing their hunting success. We therefore came to associate dark with danger.

[@tabbypurechannel445]

Even without much arguing between them one can tell who is covered bythe glory of God

[@bacon1406]

So true

[@fridanjue1673]

Glory of God is not a competition...

[@tabbypurechannel445]

@@fridanjue1673 who said it is

[@fridanjue1673]

You implied

[@christnowinrahab2634]

True

[@laceyloops]

Mr T anadrop explosive truth bombs... We need more voices of reason like him. Wakristo tukae rada doctrines of devils zimeanza kupata mass media coverage

[@arthealing]

I think we need to be open minded,you are literally judging your African decent spirituality...we acknowledge and know God is there and we have seen the work of God.....but we worship him in an African way

[@TKavoh]

Mr. T consistently delivers wisdom. People nowadays can talk about anything and push for relevancy without a factual basis. I look forward to part two of this conversation.

[@joe-dc3zr]

So there is a factual basis about the existence of 'gods'.

[@mungainjogu3015]

He might be wise to you but most things don't require wisdom they need just a small amount of common sense..... Do you need wisdom to know that you were not created

[@curatedbycera]

That is a lot of praise for a man who has gone out of his way to belittle Kikuyu's for believing that God's dwelling place was in Mt.Kenya. The Supreme power Kikuyu's sought was in nature, what better reverence would there have been than to place his dwelling at the highest ground,visible to all without bias.

[@Noelitall]

Lmao you think Christianity is fact 🤣

[@ramseycollins6322]

Mr T. Alo of wisdom and calmness. We need part 2 of this.

[@queenwere1]

True! "As long as it is working for you it's fine " ~swiri People should find the god in themselves

[@alcatraz7950]

People talking about opponent's feeling and opinions, what about The Creator's opinion? Thank you Mr. T

[@buffsamuraifred6037]

Exactly

[@charlenedivana]

I agree, come with part two and hopefully someone more open minded than the guy

[@kompanysisi5735]

Dr .Kingori hii conversation lazima iishe,so many young people are at crossroads on this matter,there's is much truth to what both parties are saying,we we're born African for a reason and we cannot be ignorant to that reality.

[@K.greenbanks]

She’s pure and true full of wisdom and knowledge

[@wambuinjuguna]

I find Mr.T quite dismissive in this whole argument. Swiry on the other hand is open to hs beliefs but he seem to have some sort of superiority complex. Swirry makes some valid points and I commend her for going against conformity and deciding to question what everyone else believes.

[@zoeasianut3677]

Thank you Apostle T

[@Morningstar8tv]

This lady is too deep. It pains me a lot of unawakened people will not understand her

[@wambui6048]

My people perish due to lack of knowledge,ooh God please have mercy on us

[@MKL614]

Africans are the only ones who don't know themselves, that is a lack of knowledge..

[@officialrichardmbuguajomo9222]

When she says when you speak, you cast spells.. The proper way to phrase is that people who speak and their words manifest into reality.. From thoughts to reality...

[@kemetmeditation5358]

Swiry Nyar is a developing intellectual who has immersive knowledge about spirituality, however, she lacks articulation and full immersion on what she believes in. She represents the modern African youths who are tired with the white religion that 'enslaved' their parents and ancestors for decades. Is she doing the right thing? Yes she is. What is it that she gets right? She knows about the basics of spiritualism on both the light and the dark side but she wants to delve into the Dark side and perfect it just like every intellectual that excels in their path. Knowing and mastering your dark side is relevant and a must if you wish to protect what you have/ love or get what you deserve. Knowing and mastering your light side is relevant and a must if you wish to integrate well with the sophisticated humans around you. She is seeking the truth and I appreciate her for that. What does she get wrong? She as many youths think that religion is a set of rules meant to enslave people. Religion is what brings order in a community. Without a common religion within a particular time and space, chaos comes in handy. It is what governs mannerisms in regards to spirituality. Spirituality is a drop of water while religion is a sea (deep phrase). HOWEVER, pastor T who is an intellectual as well, understands what she wants and where she is coming from but he adamantly rejects her sentiments by terming them as KZbin gibberish (which is wrong considering I came to know about him through KZbin). For him to think that he is on the right side of knowledge by claiming that he is guided by God and he is in the light is more of a power move and there is nothing wrong with that. I expected a better answer from him on this though. Their source of information has some truth as well as flaws. I appreciate such conversations since they are quite necessary for our youth at this age of information. Keep on the good work. REMEMBER: Read, Meditate and know your GOD.

[@artist254grafitti7]

speaking of articulation.. hehe. long post,nimesoma adi read more. anw I hope Kingori invites more of us tuulize Mr T kama anaamini mtu alitembea juu ya maji na akapeperuka kama superman

[@karanjarodgers]

When Apostle T. was talking about KZbin gibberish, he was referring to the fact that some information in there is non-verifiable having no references or archeological evidence to support it. New age spirituality is similar to the Eastern mysticism and the old age spirituality of Africanism. There is a reason why African history was erased and is coming back in (controlled) bits and pieces. When researching, kindly have your sources intact while ensuring either they are verifiable or practical in nature. Otherwise you will be falling for another form of control that is marked differently. Shalom!

[@kabiruchege]

I would say spirituality is the ocean and religion is the drop. At one point in one's development we have to go beyond all forms of organized religions and embrace our oneness.

[@kenada254]

On point

[@beng-legit5718]

John 11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies. 26 And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”

[@jabezpartners4460]

Thanks pastor T for your knowledge and how you stand on God's Word as the mirror. I like the way Swiry is articulating her issues, but this is new age philosophy

[@queenwere1]

These pastors are just puppets of the system. They go to the yt man's colleges to be told what to tell their flock, and they do not question them

[@darscassel]

There is no but…. The Pastor speaks what someone told him. Does he have a relationship with God outside of what someone told him.

[@fynguessconcept1511]

You can't be a Christian if you're not hypocrite. Hard truth ❤️

[@radialimi1258]

So true ❤❤❤❤

[@joyh.729]

To be a hypocrite is to be human. Which is why Jesus Christ came. We are not the good news, He is.

[@kevinbaker4693]

This sister is spot on correct. Unfortunately my brother's are missing the points. Your masculinity does not grant you the right to be be correct. I understand the African culture subscribes that men are always right however in this case this sister is so far beyond the level of what these brothers can comprehend that this serves as an example of how lost the black man and women have become. It is no wonder why we are trapped where are in 2022. Listen to this sister. Try to understand what it is she is trying to tell us. A spell has been cast upon us and she is attempting to show us the exit. If you want to remain lost and confused fine but please allow the rest of us to receive the nourishment of her wisdom. We are thirsty brother. Blessings 2 U All.

[@glow-fh6ko]

The men in Africa are used to the patriarchy system but matriarchy system is back

[@bronzemanbvch]

All lightworking in Africa, We all need to come together and build a community in Africa where we can live in peace and harmony, something this world know nothing of anymore. We should create a forum where to Meet share experiences..

[@justinamusyoka4986]

All skin color is not kin.Africans are diverse..Ancient Egypt was dark skin but not the chosen people though the ten commandments were copied from the 42 laws of the Maat.

[@erickmunene6418]

Lord please grant them your grace.. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

[@emmanuelyambo4143]

Amen!!

[@rufusnganga1118]

For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. Romans8:7 This is exactly how Nyar Kano is behaving when speaking of Christianity

[@user-wc9rt9mr9u]

People like this you pray like Elijah that the true God is revealed to them awafanyie kazi. Watanyooka kabisa!

[@art.ikocreations]

This an interesting discussion, wacha Mungu aitwe Mungu. I'll stand with GOD all the way. Mr. T has his words together though.

[@tamaraTembra]

I wish Nyar could calm down and articulate herself, she has points that she wants to put out, but they don't come out as clear and they are all over. One of the reason pastor T is " winning " is because he is calm and collected. I hope Nyar gets to grow on media and limelight and holding such debates and public speaking. At the end of the day God is good.

[@jameskibe1924]

The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.

[@andrewmusola5585]

@ tamara... that is why it is important to listen. Pastor T. is listening, and understanding her even without her saying alot.

[@lenahowera1404]

@@andrewmusola5585 zii coz he missed the point on spirituality kabisa and abused Hinduism ham get

[@veronicaglouster1713]

Listen instead of expecting her to do it your way. Its what she , not how

[@songo1080]

Pastor T is always on point,factual and articulate

[@michaelrapando6658]

Where is facts in beliefs. Religious gang are believers because they don't know anything but lack the guts to do so.

[@rodgerswanjala3057]

How?

[@joefindingske]

which facts?you call the bible a fact?

[@cyrusogega6027]

No youre very wrong..

[@pheno4093]

But this lady ako na point

[@David_muchai]

Alot of wisdom Pastor T You are a real light to this generation

[@mungainjogu3015]

If he is to be the light... The sun will never rise

[@wanjiruwambui8741]

@@mungainjogu3015according to me he is misleading

[@charliehustle4833]

Since I don't understand religion I rather be more spiritual 🔥🔥

[@kap849]

Or you could take the opportunity to learn. Everything is taught/learned. Even the spirituality you know was learned/taught.

[@deinernst8483]

@@kap849 we are spiritual beings, you are were born spiritual, even if you are not taught. You lose it because of confusion caused by human beings.

[@ladysafari01]

In as much as Christianity is classified as a religion, practically speaking the key difference that separates it from other belief systems that are considered religions is Relationship. Most religions focus on reaching a higher state of being through his own efforts,sacrifice and good deeds; receiving a reward of Paradise and Nirvana. Christianity is opposite. God is the one who wants a relationship with his children. God sent His only begotten son to die for us. It's a Grace- based relationship. It's unlike the staunch legalistic Pharisee practice which was opposed to Jesus. In their effort to rule- keeping they failed to recognize God...they chose religion over relationship. Unfortunately many denominations nowadays have followed suit practicing man- made religion in the name of Jesus,masquerading as Christianity.

[@kap849]

@@deinernst8483 True.

[@jameskioi8901]

Humans who are spiritual? And?

[@marvinkigame2838]

She just confused me 😅 but Pastor T came with sound simplicity that made much sense.

[@Evans_KM]

I agree with Pastor T, Vivian is advocating for the New Age philosophy which is propelled by me-ism(self centeredness) minus God in the picture

[@elvo4123]

A good conversation..we need this more

[@hurdee_skybw4024]

This not new age philosophy. This is old skul philosophy that was about spirituality and oneness. You have to put christianity beside traditional African ways and scrutinise them to understand.

[@odalaopiyo6833]

@@hurdee_skybw4024 when she spoke about embracing both the dark side and light side that is the Ying yang and duality which is a New age philosophy of coexistence. Go and research more. I can share some resources with you.

[@shikulukevin1047]

The calmness of Mr T, his talks, I always feel his wisdom. African renaissance is a common thing today.

[@shikulukevin1047]

@Bintu ok

[@leonjoseph9170]

You need to re discover yourself.let no one lie to you that we didn't have a history before the white man came

[@shikulukevin1047]

@@leonjoseph9170 I know what you are talking about.

[@karanjarodgers]

There is a time that his breathing rate increased but he was able to control it.

[@jwwwmwww3707]

Having been an atheist, "spiritualist, " and then luciferian, I know how hard it is to come out of such matrix. I was saved by Jesus Christ in may 2022, and since then I've not turned back.. I was actually prayed for for several days consistently before accepting Jesus, and admitting He is the Lord. As a practitioner of witchcraft, you might think you have a clear conscience of manipulating energy positively until this power starts to corrupt your being, and you find yourself harming others or manipulating them intentionally. And then that's when you realize there is the Sovereign Lord, who abhor evil and those who use charm to ensnare His people. End of my real life story! Isaiah 5:20-21 (KJV) "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" Ezekiel 13:20-21 (NIV) “ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms; I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds. I will tear off your veils and save my people from your hands, and they will no longer fall prey to your power. Then you will know that I am the Lord."

[@glow-fh6ko]

😂

[@SagiFireSirena]

I love her!!!! From North Carolina, USA

[@samuelchege841]

Mr. T and Vivian, thank you very much for mind opening conversation, however, as WE ARE WAITING FOR PART 2, this generation rather than intelligence we believe we are intellectual and that's why we demand scientific facts, but African society indeed passed their knowledge through story telling and not in books as other society so lets also listen to our intuition as our Divine gift from our Creator.

[@Cvr5ta0ywa]

African history used both written and oral traditions, one of the first African writings The geez script was in ancient africa, there is also the meroetic script, The Nsibidi script and many more.

[@franchise.licensing.institute]

i have tried listening to this lady and i have left vacant. i wish this conversation can be structured and guided. when we leave the guests to run amok we the audience tend to miss the train of thought.

[@pattersonsversion2286]

When the right button is pressed , everyone is capable of going against laws of nature ..... Got me thinking

[@otienojames730]

From a son of a very learned Bishop in the matter, True Bible (KJV) ...I'm sorry to say the sister is right. The fellow is lost, unfortunately they're many.

[@CookingQueen893]

In all this God will still remain to be God

[@dantephilip8798]

MR T, is very wise, and a servant of God, IDK where swiry nyar kano bases her ideas on

[@mercyjumaofficial1943]

When i grow up i want to have knowledge and facts like Pastor T🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽eeeh God has got His back;?!! ..i don't think i would have handled this like Him...wow

[@BLAHNDIZ]

We need a part 2.Both have points..The only thing that remains constant in both their statements is there is a supreme power that governs man.

[@thamcass5808]

Wajackoya in woman form

[@reubenrubie4200]

God is the only one who can govern man

[@slippymass]

Huyo msichana amesema everyone sets their own mark to follow, which means that we are our own god. That philosophy is the same thing that the snake told Eve in the garden of Eden. If you eat of the fruit of knowledge, you will not die but you will be like God. Both Adam and Eve are now dead. It is all just Satan's deception packaged as "New age"

[@nibeeboy6482]

I am a supporter of Mr T but we cannot ignore what the lady is saying

[@stevostevozz1168]

She is saying nothing new ....no facts no evidence

[@nibeeboy6482]

From the side you are supporting do you have facts ama ni vitu unasoma ndio unaita evidence

[@stevostevozz1168]

@@nibeeboy6482 yes...lots written history..josephus ... archaeology...

[@stevostevozz1168]

The doctrine the lady espouses is nothing new.. mostly from descendants of Africans in the Americas.

[@nibeeboy6482]

@@stevostevozz1168 just like everything,,,even what you believe is also history,,,the other side also see's what you are supporting is history,,,its a two way

[@art.ikocreations]

Indeed we need a part two on this!

[@soothingcalmrelaxingmusic-9338]

Wonderful show

[@brianmberia3967]

The only way to test these two ideologies, is to wait for a disaster then we see which one applies. I believe if we listen to God who dwells in us as she says, and break down all limitations we have in our brain, we can experience God fully. I conquere with both but the lady has information that T doesnt want to acknowledge because he doesnt understand. In the end, we will be judged and we should not rely on papers alone as a source of information. Our bodies are God's temples. Isnt it written that God cannot dwell in temples made by man but only by Him. Our temples are his dwelling place so we should listen to Him.

[@karanjarodgers]

Where is it written exactly?

[@jacklinewangeci7546]

I acknowledge how pastor T is so sober as he address the emotional lady, who have decided to take things beyond her understanding a personal interest coz she wants to make her point clear. I love the energy of pastor T

[@kiraiowen]

She is talking of the Bible being edited, but want us to belief what she is saying with reference of the book still written by men who have also edited. I want her to explain or to show me how life was put into man and how oxygen was given to man free, and if she proves that, the next thing is to match to the street to fight for free oxygen in our hospital. Next I would like her to form a baby out of her spiritual beliefs and make the baby grow, I would also like her to prove that we can have spare parts of our body. God created everything but humans created themselves more than everything thus loosing it.

[@monicalauryn2172]

@owen Kish There are 3 theories explaining originality religion and Christianity is just one the theory... So you choose what to believe in

[@KM-zq4sk]

Today I Really Felt Wat Mr.Tee Was Talkin Bout👏

[@nelsonmwangi7767]

I pray for my lord God everyday,to give me the right way to follow,history won't help you to get to His kingdom,pray everyday

[@hersafari]

A moment of prayer for the lady...

[@bonifacenyati2039]

Weldone mama. Let us remind ourselves that there is what is referred to as oral history. This knowledge is also important and cannot be overlooked. Oral tradition is an invaluable part of history. My parents for example, orally passed on to me their wealth of experience and knowledge . They taught me to do good, to love my neighbor, to respect authority, to be charitable, humble and to love God way before I became a Christian. They taught me the history and customs of my tribe, information which they obtained from their parents. Let’s not forget that oral tradition is an important component of history even in major denominations and faiths. We cannot afford to adopt an attitude of ‘IF ITS NOT WRITTEN, THEN ITS NOT HISTORY’

[@donnahmwiti7984]

Mr T himself has raised "youtube" arguments many times. I like how he says the agikuyu god is fictional but his god is quantifiable. When the girl raises her arguments, Mr T wants to quote "scientific evidence", but on his arguments all data is thrown out the window. He wants to use science to discredit other people's arguments but won't subject his own convictions to scientific scrutiny. You can't use the scientific threshold to quantify god because you'll only make one conclusion; he doesn't exist.

[@ikm254]

Spot on! Mr. T has proven himself a conspiracy theorist from his other interviews on this show.

[@ikm254]

@@africacorporatetrends1 it's funny because the data available suggests the opposite of what you are claiming here.

[@donnahmwiti7984]

@@africacorporatetrends1 Everything I said seems to have just gone over your head. Yes, some scientists believe in God, but they leave God at the door when they do their work. Even if a doctor believes in God, they will still proceed to administer treatment based on the tested procedures rather than rely on belief. The existence of God is purely subjective, and no one can prove it scientifically. Scientists are still vulnerable to the normal human failings. The fact remains, no scientist has ever said "I have now proven that God exists".

[@donnahmwiti7984]

@@africacorporatetrends1 And don't use the word "agree" as if this is a known fact. The correct terminology here is "believe".

[@donnahmwiti7984]

The main point here is that you can't rely on archaeological evidence to prove the existence of Jesus but ignore the laws of physics when trying to defend the occurrence of miracles. Mr T's assertions are just equally as flawed as his counterpart's.

[@duwainmwangi8727]

"There is insufficiency of data" - Then cuts off Swiry when she tries to tell her the sufficient data.

[@kadzo6614]

Imagine!

[@josphatwangai7721]

So the Bible has sufficient to prove it 100% correct? Reason.

[@biblefanatic2902]

She knows nothing about the bible,she confuses book of John with genesis

[@TheMartow]

Honestly, she’s not qualified to debate mr. T.

[@duwainmwangi8727]

@@TheMartow "A calm man can convince anyone because he looks learned" She knows what she was saying but got too emotional in her conveying.

[@hezbonmaina4281]

Mr T to the world. We love you sir. Tutakutuma next time🥰

[@wendyalexa9737]

What is God? God is the creator of all, God of all gods, Controller of space and time, beginner and the ender!!! God is love, compassion, a directory, discipliner, and so much more!!

[@tambudzaimakoni4549]

I love the way our sister is gracious to accept the definition of the apostle . It shows that she is indeed a vessel of knowledge. I believe God can use such a beautiful vessel to reveal the darkness of one’s mind. “ my people perish because of lack of knowledge “.

[@diananyambura5872]

What is academic reference?. Who wrote those books? We have unlimited sources of information and that's what makes us powerful. Congrats swiry. You are bringing empowerment to Africans and you'll be fought fot it.keep going.

[@bosiboriboyaniyoutube]

True..

[@Ellena13]

Pastor is a Man full of God's wisdom ...I would listen to him everyday

[@keith_kiune]

same

[@KingofZamunda.]

thats how you get brainwashed. Seek an alternative before its too late

[@Ellena13]

@@KingofZamunda. Niko tu sawa

[@cyrusogega6027]

Another colonised mind

[@tish2592]

Such a colonised mind

[@Alboh_Jordi]

Wisdom from Mr T 🙌

[@ZjTimoh]

I really Love these conversations. Part 2 Please.

[@Vision-kl3mx]

The lady has more information than Mr T

[@patrickkiboi2930]

ageed

[@servantofjesuschrist839]

She has no information just deception

[@Vision-kl3mx]

It's not deception,just because she has not mentioned Jesus doesn't mean what she is telling us is a lie,as a matter of fact if a person can really know what his/her soul can do you will be surprised,and that's why God himself hid a lot of things from man because of his ability

[@servantofjesuschrist839]

@@Vision-kl3mx I actually was a new ager and practiced it a few years ago the woman has no knowledge on anything I practiced kundalini yoga chakras mantras mudras etc I've watched her videos she attributes things which are not even African to Africa like the tree of life from the Kabbalah which was made by white Jews in 500 AD🤣 She says the evil eye is African👁️ Things which originated in Iraq and middle East As a person who reads Hebrew I'd really like to know where she gets her info especially about the Kabbalah I would also like to talk to you of you think you know what you are talking about

[@KingofZamunda.]

Mr T only knows Rastafari came from Jamaica. How funny

[@jbkush099]

Pastor T..Lots of love and may God continue to bless you

[@Vince346]

Dr.kingori was very wise to cut the interview , he realized that he had to tell the lady to argue with facts and objectively , when emotions arose the interview became unstable

[@simonwachira2219]

Isaiah 45:3 I will give you the treasures of darkness. She is right in every way. She's done her research. It is the pastor who should argue with facts.

[@originalsp]

Loving the debate

[@teddykoibita7113]

Mr t, is very informative wise man he does his research