HexGaming Makes The BEST PS5 Controller Ever? - Phantom Review

[@itzdcx7991]

If it doesn’t have *"Magnetic Hall Effect Sticks"* then I don’t care about the controller That is a must have requirement on any Pro Controller This is exactly why the Dualsense Edge is a scam. it's an overated expensive garbage in my opinion

[@ThaTruPlug]

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[@PinkPanther2306]

What is that?

[@GameTechTalk]

@PinkPanther0623 It is analog sticks that use magnets rather than potentiometers to get the axis readings. They have overall a lot of advantages over potentiometers. They are not perfect by no means but people, understandably, like them better and I can understand. I see the value in both but at least to @itzdcx7991 's point, it sure would've been a safer bet from HexGaming to have put hall-effect, but I do wonder if the DRIFIX would've even worked with hall-effect, completely making their concept null.

[@riothegod5750]

You're a legit parrot. Have u actually tried hall effect? They're awful for FPS shooters.

[@GameTechTalk]

@@riothegod5750 Yeah that's mainly what I meant when I addressed in my video how ALPS have a certain... quality to them. But in all fairness, some hall-effect sticks are considerably better than others, the thing is there is gross inconsistency right now in the market in terms of hall-effect calibration and some brands definitely do a better job than others whereas ALPS seem far more consistent. So yeah, I think there is a market for both, at least until hall-effect is sorted and that they become manufacture-calibrated, and properly so I might add.

[@AliYassinToma]

Magenetic hall effect sticks are a must on these expensive controllers.. adding a potentiometer to coverup drift instead of fixing it is just dumb tbh..

[@GameTechTalk]

So they have a Hall effect solution now!

[@LoveSeeker81392]

No hall effect sticks, not worth. The stick drift problem has been solved. Why try to scam people into buying this gar age controllers you will need to replace too often. Unless they swap the sticks, no one should even consider this.

[@GameTechTalk]

It's not that simple, but I get what you are saying. At the very least, the option should exist and guess what, it now does! They have now given the option for backers to have Hall-Effect sticks instead, I think there is a slight price difference but the option now exists and no one missed out, they all get the option! They will be sending me a controller for me to test out once that is ready so stay tuned as I will really make that video 100% about the sticks.

[@LoveSeeker81392]

@GameTechTalk thats nice to hear. Currently i have a Gulikit kingkong 2 pro controller which i got when it came out and it still works perfectly. My only problem is that its big and i got small hands. The perfect controller for me would be a slightly smaller ps5 controller.

[@Sam-z1n]

In September they will release a premium version of this controller whit hall sticks on there in my opinion it's gonna be the best controller out there

[@GameTechTalk]

@@Sam-z1n They were supposed to send a sample so I can benchmark it and make a video but I haven't heard from them.

[@shvy100]

@LoveSeeker81392 one optional is having the conventional sticks and a calibration device, or hall effect sticks

[@Arctioa]

I think they should of just went the Hall effect sticks route, because their dualsense style controller with Hall effect sticks under 200 would of sold big. I don’t think it’s better than the edge, because replacing the stick is only 20 dollars and even for the hex you are gonna have to spend another 200 because the stick will be too far gone. So you will be spending less with the edge

[@GameTechTalk]

I don't mind the extra sensitivity and highly responsive nature of hall effect, I would've loved for both options to be available. Added durability and very low dead-zones are options I consider ideal. As for spending less with Edge, I think a mix between HexGaming's DRIFIX and warranty coverage should make it come out on top in that department. You know the part I wonder? If DRIFIX would work on hall-sensing sticks modded over the ALPS ones on the HexGaming controller.

[@Sam-z1n]

​@GameTechTalk they are in September

[@Sam-z1n]

You can pre-order them already whit hall effects

[@DarthLordRaven]

i don't see X, O, Square, Triangle on the buttons. kind of a let down for me. U know what it is a nice controller. But for 20 bucks you can modify a real dual sense, better sticks that are replaceable. for the edge i replace the battery 16 € for a 2000 mah and place even better caps on it. If it would have stickdrift again replace the module. alot easier. and yes you are right i use these extreme rate things all the time. really good

[@GameTechTalk]

I'm glad a "no hassle" solution exists but if you can mod yourself, that's always the best go to in my opinion. Especially nowadays with so many aftermarket solutions to get you 80% of the way for 15% of the cost, it's a no brainer! Good on you to mod my guy! It's not hard, I wish more people would trust they can do it!

[@zeohblitz]

Hex is genius. If you dont want their controller, you can buy a kit of back paddles and thumbstick to assemble it on your own ps5 dualsense by yourself.

[@GameTechTalk]

Yup, they gave many the opportunity to elevate on a budget (and with quality components) and now for them to offer that service while still retaining all the various layers with which they assist gamers is amazing. Great product and glad I got to review it!

[@zeohblitz]

@GameTechTalk I wish this controller had 2 more extra button like the razer wolverine. I play competitive shooters alot and even 4 back paddles isn't enough. I bought the hex kit with 4 back buttons and custom thumstick. I got the plusgear attachment extender where I can reach for triangle and up dpad with my index finger. However that attachment doesn't work with this controller since the adhesive attachment goes on the back where the trigger lock and smart button is.

[@da1bearsfan]

I so hard to trust the company when they send stuff for reviews. Because they have the power to send the best of the best to be reviewed because they know people are going to give their opinion on it to get sales. But it’s a great video bro thank you for doing what you do

[@GameTechTalk]

I appreciate the kind words. I get what you mean. A few years back, I backed a kickstarter product that was sent to one of my favorite creator based on finally seeing a video of the product in action, looked great... Never saw my money, or the product. I get what you are saying, I fear being used to con people out of their hard-earned money. I sincerely hope it never happens. Thanks for giving me a chance, it means a lot.

[@danielblackburn9012]

I have a PS5 controller my friend rebuilt for me using extreme rate equipment and man does it work like a dream especially the back paddles and everything. I think that this white one that you got from hexgaming is very nice though. I would definitely buy one from this company.

[@GameTechTalk]

Yeah, they make good stuff so with them having a solution like HexGaming is really a logical venue for them. Cheers and thanks for watching! :)

[@Jake_Powd]

Love the camera quality that's better than my actual eyesight! Instant sub!

[@GameTechTalk]

😂 Ahhh thanks, happy to know the quality is there. Cheers! :)

[@Macktube]

I own 2 Hex controllers. I love their designs, The back grip options, and the fact that they deliver them very fast. My only pet peeve is they never put the Playstation symbols on the button triangle, x, circle, square😅. I have other third party controllers that do include them😢

[@GameTechTalk]

You're not the first to mention it, I totally get it because everywhere else, I actually do mind that.

[@brucepreston3927]

It looks nice, but the thumbsticks popping off that easy is a deal breaker for me...I dealt with that on an xbox elite controller for 2 years and it was extremely annoying...

[@GameTechTalk]

Yeah, that was something I immediately addressed with HexGaming, they did tell me that they worked on improving the mechanism, while not being able to completely redesign the entire controller. I'll soon be receiving a retail version and should be able to look at the improvements and report back. Cheers!

[@PeepTheHues]

This a good review. A lot of the videos that come up first don’t seem like they know what they are talking about or like they even used the products they are talking about .

[@GameTechTalk]

Well thank you greatly! 😊

[@gamedad7336]

How much is the controller? I watched until the end and I'm pretty sure you didn't mention the cost.

[@GameTechTalk]

You are right. It was off the cuff and I realized only after. They do have multiple tiers, it starts at 190USD last I checked. Though, as it sometimes is with crowdfunding campaigns, prices do vary based off of tiers.

[@ryo-kai8587]

I'm interested for the back buttons since I use a DualSense for Street Fighter 6. I play on D-pad, and I even tried the Battle Beaver D-buttons to split the pad into 4 separate buttons, but decided the original worked better for me. As long as the D-pad in the Phantom is at least as good as the original, the extra back buttons could be awesome. I just wonder about their placement, how easy they are to hit without losing good hand positioning for precise inputs, and how easy they are to hit accidentally. _EDIT: I forgot to mention that your review was excellent! Detailed and informative, very transparent and honest, yet with a chill and laid-back vibe that's pleasant to watch. Nice work!_

[@GameTechTalk]

Thank you greatly for the kind words! The d-pad is as good as the original. The back buttons are very easy but depending on how twitchy your fingers are, they can be slightly easy to push, potentially unintentionally so for some people. The middle finger which I sit on the upper paddles? All good. My ring finger on my left hand, that one I find I got that extra grip on occasions. I'm left-handed also, maybe that has something to do with it? That's just me though, otherwise, it's also very easy to adjust accordingly and you may not have that issue at all but back to the paddles themselves, because of how they are positioned, it's incredibly easy to push them without feeling the need to reposition other fingers. They also have a nice "mechanical switch" actuation feel, I can rest on them without having to think about mistakenly pushing them (except that one twitchy finger 🤣). Cheers, thanks again!

[@ryo-kai8587]

@@GameTechTalk Nice, thanks for the info and breakdown! I find it's especially important while doing motion inputs on D-pad since your left hand does a lot of work, and it also moves your entire hand position a bit as opposed to a natural resting position on the analog.

[@DannyUntamed]

Love the White and Blue color scheme. I have the PS Edge controller and it's pretty good this one looks like a great option

[@GameTechTalk]

It really is!

[@Middo1994]

Legit sounded like he said welcome to game TikTok 😂😂

[@GameTechTalk]

😂😂😂 How have I never realized that ahahahhah!! Now I gotta rebrand dang. 😑😅

[@Middo1994]

@@GameTechTalk hahaha! Might be coz im British but thats how it sounded to me anyway dude 😛

[@randomgamer19170]

Why does no reviewer of this controller hold it up to the camera and show me wether I can cover all 4 buttons simultaneously with 4 fingers like I can on the elite series 2 or not ?

[@GameTechTalk]

Thanks an interesting suggestion. Can't say that ever crossed my mind but thanks for speaking yours, I'll try to include it when I get the HE Phantom for testing!

[@Greddy87]

Just Fyi , Hex Gaming uses parts from Extreme Rate & 2ndly i dont like the mouse click triggers and bumpers. I say buy the Extreme Rate parts and build your own 😂

[@GameTechTalk]

Yes, HexGaming is eXtremeRate, as in they are literally the same company, or what one would call a "subsidiary". If you can mod your own, I'm of the same advice as yours, make your own! 😊

[@DrBliff]

Thanks for providing honest reviews

[@GameTechTalk]

Always! Thanks for tuning in! 😊

[@retrolunchtime]

Box opening intro is rad

[@GameTechTalk]

I like doing mini skits from time to time, I just love it that much more knowing others can appreciate it too, thanks! 😊

[@liljdmef]

Extremerate shell change with grips and sticky buttons , plus the edge is wired 1000hz on ps5 all the dualsense are 200hz unless overclocked for pc, I’ve had my edge for 1 1/2 years and have two extra modules and I haven’t gotten drift on my original ones .

[@GameTechTalk]

The Dualsense Edge holds up very well to the entire market of controllers of the entire world. Still, I'm glad gamers looking for other benefits, like 4 back paddles, are getting options that are nearly as good without sacrificing too much of what makes the Edge so good.

[@liljdmef]

@@GameTechTalk that’s true , I’ve had the Astro c40tr the scuf ps5 and ps4 and I got drift in less than 3 months on all three the c40 the modules were hard to find and scuf wanted me to mail it to have a turn around around a month plus , this has been the best investment on my part

[@buddylee19082]

Not bad. However, I would've preferred they went with HE thumbsticks at this point. Also, this "Dry-Fix" feature has BEEN a thing on Battle Beaver's (albeit not as easily accessible) for years now. Truth be told it's hard to tell how "good" or "bad" any of these 3rd party rollers really are until you crack them open for urself to see what the real meat and potatoes are, inside.

[@GameTechTalk]

Yeah I can understand why many would’ve preferred HE.

[@davinwilliams3130]

A hall effect stick being more precise isn't worse for anyone.

[@GameTechTalk]

That's arguable but I get what you are saying though and do not necessarily disagree. As a reviewer, I'm just keeping everyone in the conversation and when it comes to hall-effect, I think of it the same way that people say modern cameras are too sharp. ALPS sticks have somewhat of a smoother travel and to someone that trained a lifetime with them, it comes with a certain anticipation.

[@davinwilliams3130]

@@GameTechTalk in that case though, the smoother travel would be the difference, and not the lack of precision. The lower resolution of the joysticks could be emulated with hall effect sticks, but the higher precision isn't a downside. It just means the stick can tell where you are tilting it more accurately, and with a higher level of distinction.

[@bleedsblue05esk8]

If it had Hall effect I’d order one right now. The other question I have will this fit on the PS5 Charging dock?

[@GameTechTalk]

Great question, it does work perfectly fine on that dock.

[@MIDNITE69]

Love that it comes with the rubbers, even if I wouldn't use em.

[@MIDNITE69]

wait...

[@GameTechTalk]

Speak your mind @MIDNITE69 don't leave me hanging with a "wait..." 😂 Much like you, I like that it's included but I wish metal rings would've been at least optional. I'll have to seek out that solution myself in due time!

[@iCreepyTrash]

I wish they sold the bottom shell as a kit through extremerate. I feel like I’d like the layout of the button/paddle vs the rise4 kit.

[@GameTechTalk]

I was responding to a viewer, the funny thing is I could’ve sworn I remember seeing it but I must have hallucinated that part or something.

[@Jake_Powd]

Might be a silly question: The actual "PS" button to pull up the menu, how sensitive is it?

[@GameTechTalk]

No silly questions, only silly answers. So I wouldn't say it is more stiff per say, because I think think the "button" underneath is any different, however, I would that it tends to not get pushed as easily. See, the original one being a circle, it's easy to push not matter the angle that you hit it, whereas this one, because it's like... a Transformer's head? It's definitely less prone to accidental pushes... With that said, I don't think it's a drastic change, nor do I think it's by design... rather it feels more like a happy accident?

[@illusion6477]

I have a big question for you bro, have you u tried over locking this controller and what were your results if you have? I’m highly considering between this and the scuf reflex FPS. I’m a big fan of scuf (I know they have really bad quality control but they have always been my favorite, have tried every pro controller on the market) my main was the scuf impact and I preferred it over anything on the market. Now I want to upgrade to PS5 controller because they can be overclocked to 8000hz which is a .125ms response time. I know the scuf Reflex FPS has the capability of doing so and it’s what I’ve been heavily considering. This however looks incredible with their stick options and different calibration settings. I am interested in Hall effect but I’m not completely sold on it so I’m not quite sure. Mainly what I’m looking for is the four paddles, mouseclick buttons and triggers, and low as possible response time. What are your thoughts on the response time and if overclocking would affect this controller negatively. Thank you for your time bro!

[@GameTechTalk]

I have, I usually don't to be honest because all of the inconsistencies that some users may have, as I don't want to set this as expectations, I usually don't address overclock at all in my videos, however, the exact information you are looking for is there 10:02. In a nutshell, performance is top tier, with that said, I have not tried overclocking past 1000hz because, coming from the creator of the tool itself, it is more cons than pros. It will cause heavy inconsistencies and bad jitter, best steer clear from anything past 1000hz, their words, not mine. With that said, I was able to match the Dualsense Edge by overclocking it to 1000hz and it worked phenomenally. I hope this answers the question, if not, please ask away and I'll assist. Cheers brother!

[@SeohnAranys]

They really need to make the 4 back buttons show as their own buttons and get Steam Support to make them fully programmable in Steam so that they can be mapped independently to do their own thing like any other button. I've yet to find a controller I can use it Steam that allows every button to be programmed to whatever you want for any game including noncontroller games and has 4 back buttons that can work independently of the front buttons as their own separate button. I already own one that has 2 buttons on the back and its great, but two additional buttons would be nice for even more control.

[@GameTechTalk]

That's such a huge ask. I get what you're saying but the thing is basically 99% of controllers roll on a handful of drivers. The Switch controller one, the Dualsense and/or PS4 and the X-Input which is Xbox controllers since late 360 era. D-Input is sometimes part of the package but that's legacy tech at this point. These drivers are designed with a set limit of keys, gyro for some, not others. So in a nutshell, it would be to ask HexGaming to make new drivers, they would lose the adaptive triggers and the haptic rumble data line as these two are proprietary to Sony but worst even, they'd most likely get a bunch of compatibility issues because games wouldn't recognize the drivers, the Windows, MacOS operating systems of the world wouldn't recognize them either. Enter the process of getting those drivers licensed and certified, etc etc... The one great exception could be Neptune which is Steam's own drivers but they hadn't licensed until a few days ago and that Hori controller is exclusive to Japan market for the time being. I totally understand what you're saying and I'd love to see that too but realistically, it's basically impossible to do if you are not able to go toe-to-toe with the companies I named and force your drivers to be so impactful and worldwide recognized, that they'd have to support it.

[@SeohnAranys]

@@GameTechTalk That may be why no one has made a controller with 4 back buttons. But from what I understand on the Sony Duel Sense Edge the buttons on the back can be programmed to be anything just like any other button in Steam. The controller doesn't lock the back buttons to being the standard front and top. So perhaps at least allow the hardware to let there be software created to handle independent buttons. Could even just have a switch to toggle is from normal Playstation and PC. As long as the controller's hardware allows for independent control. At that point its encouraging Steam or someone to get it to let Steam allow it full control. No other controller has 4 back buttons that can be set as their own button without being restricted to the fronts. And finally having one would set it above all other controllers on the PC gaming controller market. Assuming the battery life wasn't bad and the quality didn't suck. Plus it could also be a PS5 controller. PS... It could also be the best Steam Deck controller on the market too. Untapped potential.

[@emiliev]

Love the little intro!

[@GameTechTalk]

Glad you like it!

[@MikeG-rh1lk]

Need a controller with sunken right thumb stick so you can have longer shaft and the same distance to the front buttons from thumb grip

[@GameTechTalk]

I don’t think I’ve tested something like that outside of a handheld, maybe one or two mobile controllers. Are there controllers made that way?

[@legitballa0722]

Why don't these controllers allow double button programming? Example L1+R1 or L2+R2 programming to the back buttons? Seems like an obvious feature of a "PRO" controller.

[@GameTechTalk]

It's a mixture of two things in my opinion. Number one is, rerouting a key versus macro'ing key(s) is effectively different from a logic board point of view, one is very basic on/off paired with a set value to update on which key, whereas the other enters "Logic" territory, it's effectively two very different efforts and one would require a deeper control over the board of Sony's controllers, or to add latency to their product, very bad idea as an Elite controller, plus, I'm sure Sony keeps the board logic somewhat encrypted. The other reason is I wouldn't be surprised if entering that "logic" territory would be considered cheating for Sony, so they could go the extra mile to block that device on their systems. As a brand, I wouldn't want to sell a product and risk Sony locking my product out of it's ecosystem only to have buyers ask for refunds and whatnot, that's risky and not viable business. The Cronus Max and XIM attachments of the world don't care but if I was an "Elite" controller company, I definitely wouldn't risk it.

[@TheD0GGPOUND]

Wait!? So if i buy one of these awesome controllers it'll come with a life time warranty ? So if 2 years down the line my controller starts to have stick drift they'll fix it ?

[@GameTechTalk]

That’s what is written in their website yes. It’s a lifetime limited meaning that they won’t do it 10 times, let alone 5 but a limited lifetime usually means that if it happens in 1, 5, 10 years, they are supposed to honor their policy and fix it free of charge.

[@rob5162]

Do the controllers still retain the haptic feedback of the dual sense?

[@GameTechTalk]

They do, 1:1, it's not a cheaper or different haptic unit, it's identical. Same goes for the adaptive triggers.

[@Bickolus]

Hey, how are the buttons on the Phantom compared to the Dualsense? I noticed the Dualsense face buttons feel a lot less clicky than the other controllers, im hoping Hexgaming addressed that issue with their version of it

[@GameTechTalk]

Extremely similar, to the point that with my eyes covered, I wouldn't be able to tell. If that is something you dislike, I'd expect basically the same to be perfectly honest.

[@Bickolus]

@GameTechTalk good to know, thanks!

[@Talon97]

In my experience over the years the only good 3rd party controllers out there are the ones made by PDP (Afterglow & Rock candy) and 8Bitdo. Mad cats made good fight sticks during the 7th generation but that's it, Power A controllers have EXTREMELY delicate triggers and cable connections that get damaged easily on top of having HORRIBLE (AKA nonexistent) driver support for PC, Nyko controllers are uncomfortable to hold, the Logitech controllers are solidly built but small and only work on PC and nothing else, Arsenal gaming made decent controllers during gen 6 but have since faded into obscurity and the list of issues goes on and on. TLDR just buy official, 1st party controllers if possible.

[@GameTechTalk]

I think brands can be inconsistent, and what matters is whether the product is right for you. Thanks for watching and deciding if this product is for you.

[@MarinGarcia-x9u]

nice vid! great job explaining the stick drift fix adjustments!!

[@GameTechTalk]

Thank you greatly! It's been a fantastic product with great surprises. I'm hoping to have a follow-up video, I'm reaching out to them to see various ways with which I could bring more data for invested gamers and potential buyers. Thanks for engaging!

[@WolfOfJustice]

I'd be weary buying an expensive device from a kickstarter company, as there are a ton of scams and dodgy dealings. That being said, there is no point buying this controller when it lacks hall effect sticks. Nacon Revolution 5 Pro seems to be the better choice, even though it's far from perfect.

[@GameTechTalk]

Not familiar with the Nacon Revolution 5 Pro but if ever they reach out, I'll give it a spin, thanks for your suggestion. As for HexGaming, not a small company at all, in fact they are very well established and they do offer a Hall-Effect solution now, it wasn't announced yet when that review was made.

[@Secure_Da_Bag]

That controller is no where close to being better than the edge. The onky upside is 2 extra paddles. Other than that, there is nothing special or any better than the edge. N i honestly think that it looks like garbage. N the clicking paddles and whatever are ginna wear and get super loose. Good Luck with that piece of garbage.

[@GameTechTalk]

That's a tad aggressive there. But hey, you have every right to have an opinion, as I do to. Look, if there was an HexGaming tailored Dualsense Edge controller, I'd jump on that first. I'm not saying the Edge is bad, but whether you want to admit it or not, the Edge is barely better than the Dualsense regular and that's a verifiable fact. The biggest BIGGEST leap from Dualsense to Dualsense Edge is not even hardware based, it is the software that is being wall gardened behind that paywall for the Edge, that also is a verifiable fact. I applaud Sony for making the Dualsense so freaking good, that's the bottomline. With that said, the Phantom is literally built on top of a Dualsense, they may admit it, they may not but I stick to my take, I am CONVINCED it is. Anyone thinking this is not a benefit is sorely missing the point, Sony made a controller that is pretty much "too good" for third parties to try and best. They simply can't, not without stripping features. Assuming I'm right, that controller is already 90% of what the Dualsense Edge is, but it adds proper "tactile button feedback" physical hair triggers, it adds 2 paddles, it addresses the stick drift and it does all that without sacrificing anything that the original controller has, which for me is added value. But hey, some people want to strip the rumble motors, I could never but again, we don't have to want the same things but we should celebrate having options on the market. From where I stand, I trust that the Dualsense is a great controller, hence why I trust that the HexGaming is and no, I do not expect the triggers to get super loose in record time. But let's not forget that HexGaming offers a warranty that is superior on the work they make so from where I stand, I see no red flags with this product. You don't have to see value in those improvements but I do and understand why many would. As for the looks, that is absolutely subjective and I respect your take, to each their own as they say.

[@ELJefeReviews]

I appreciate the early look at this controller!

[@GameTechTalk]

Well thank you! Have you been keeping tabs on the crowdfunding campaign?

[@IICAPII]

Imagine they modded the edge as an option I would pay the extra

[@GameTechTalk]

When I was addressing that, I had that exact thought run through my head and I’m with you 110%. I would’ve jumped on that option no questions asked!

[@tekgeekster]

All the edge needs is a bigger battery. maybe an extra two paddles. other than that, it's probably the best controller you can use on PC. and specifically PC.

[@InnerFire6213]

useless for me. costs so much but doesn't even have hall effect. I've modded mine with HE and stickers and it still cost less than this

[@GameTechTalk]

More power to you my guy! I don't see this as the ultimate solution for people that can mod their own controllers, that is why I address it in this video. You have a skill that many do not, I also mod my stuff and I greatly see the value and benefits, but for the ones who don't, I'm happy they have a solution as robust as this one, and one that doesn't do by stripping features (or performance) versus the original controller.

[@johnhammond7579]

I don't think anyone has done a proper test of the latency for this, so I have asked the company themselves if they have data to share. I doubt they will respond, but will see.

[@GameTechTalk]

I'm curious to know exactly what you mean by a proper test? Because wouldn't a proper test include HDMI latency, frametime latency, panel latency and controller latency? (There's probably more I'm missing tbh). What in JohnnyPunch's legendary tool do you not consider "proper" ? Or do you mean someone with an Arduino board to eliminate any risks of "intermediate" pollution? Genuine question, I'm eager to learn. Thanks

[@johnhammond7579]

@@GameTechTalk I was actually thinking that it would be great if Gamepadla had results, but I don't see any for the Phantom specifically. Unless it is just using the same DualSense (non-Edge) motherboard. In which case, we can expect it to be about 8.1ms (wired) which is...okay. Asking someone to factor in panel latency and others in the chain for controller testing would probably be unreasonable, so testing with a GPDL would be enough to satisfy my curiosity. I can always look at the individual latency results for the other things (RTINGS comes to mind) separately.

[@GameTechTalk]

@@johnhammond7579 So I'm 99% sure that the Phantom is a Dualsense under the hood, it wouldn't report on Gamepadla as the Phantom unless the data is uniquely altered to look as such. The numbers in my video come from using Gamepadla and indeed, they perform identical to the Dualsense or when overclocked, exactly like the Dualsense Edge. As for Bluetooth, all three perform identically. I'd like to eventually equip myself with hardware to benchmark controllers but that'll be for the future if ever. Thanks for your explanations, greatly appreciated!

[@johnhammond7579]

@@GameTechTalk Fortunately, HexGaming did get back to me. It is as we both suspected: the controller uses the same motherboard, which means the polling rate and latency should be equal to the originals. So there you go.

[@GameTechTalk]

@@johnhammond7579 🫡 Doing the good work, thanks!

[@travel.w.p]

Intro is badass hahahaha

[@GameTechTalk]

Thank you greatly ahahaha!

[@Yuniqe..]

Can’t get them unfortunately in Germany / Eu

[@GameTechTalk]

They'll soon be launching a website that will be eu.hexgaming.com that I confirmed for a french viewer. Also, if purchased from the Kickstarter campaign, I am told from HexGaming themselves that there is no worries to be had, that they'll ship worldwide, EU included without any issues. I hope this helps, cheers!

[@patmack2871]

Whats over clocking a controller?

[@GameTechTalk]

Basically, you put the USB connector on steroids but it will mostly only be a solution for Windows and Linux (maybe MacOS one day?), not on consoles, because the overclock happens at the receiving connector level, not the controller itself. So by overclocking, it makes the controllers (or keyboard, or mice) give more data resulting in a more responsive performance. I hope this answers the question, cheers! :)

[@1037g8ming]

I play Pc and mainly play CoD Mw3 so what would be your opinion

[@GameTechTalk]

Definitely great controller for people that play shooters on one. The hair triggers are pretty much top tier in the PS5 pro controller market, the backpaddles are great, even better that you have 4 and you can beat down on this product with confidence as you have DRIFIX and a great warranty. I'd also consider the Apex 4 as a potential contender, I have a review on my channel if ever you're not familiar with that product. Cheers!

[@pac-man-ooo5520]

I was gonna try that on my controller to see if it actually work but they already made it on a controller that is smd pod to adjust the resistors for stick drift someone already came up with the idea well atleast I know it work imma diy my controller now

[@GameTechTalk]

If you got the brains and the steady hand for it, I say go for it my dude!

[@Atticus_Moore]

is it better than the flydigi apex 4?

[@GameTechTalk]

The lines are blurred when comparing to the Apex 4 for sure but utlimately, if just going after the entire feature list, it's on-par on many, better on some so I'd say yes. If looking at price in the equation, and for PC gaming? I'd probably still go Apex 4 because it's as good where it matters and for half the price. Cheers

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

You should test the Logitech G535 and use the app to test even further.

[@GameTechTalk]

Hey Mikey, thanks for engaging. Hmm just to be sure, the Logitech G535 is a headset, was that the product you were suggesting I should review? Because I have not covered anything audio so I was a bit curious as to if you meant to suggest something else? Cheers

[@mikeyplayzwrld]

@@GameTechTalk yeah I meant the headset.

[@gregorybolivar5712]

And an another one...🙃😎

[@GameTechTalk]

DJ KHALEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDD!!!

[@Dustrick]

It looks like that cheap Nyko brand that used to make accessories for stuff.

[@GameTechTalk]

I'm familiar with NYKO, haven't bought their products in quite some time. As for HexGaming, I can only take your comment as my filming equipment being cheap 😥 because clearly, in my hands, this controller is simply not cheap. So if it's not my footage that's the problem, I don't know what is... This controller is QUA-LI-TY!

[@tonym2585]

Brah dont think you mentioned the battery. Thats the worst thung in the duelsense

[@GameTechTalk]

You're right my bad. I can tell you it is the exact same capacity as the Dualsense controller. 1,560mAh. I would expect similar kinds of performance.

[@Sm.69dex]

Does it have haptic feedback?

[@GameTechTalk]

It does, the exact same as a regular DualSense.

[@Sm.69dex]

@@GameTechTalk okay pro controllers that has haotic feedback and adaptive triggers is life changing, i also forgot this is made in china Hex gaming is from china lol

[@GameTechTalk]

@@Sm.69dex They are but they basically strip a 1st party Dualsense and rebuild it so it’s perceived as the original, that is why it has all the original features and more.

[@1037g8ming]

When do they release ?

[@GameTechTalk]

The campaign ends in about 3 weeks which brings us to July and they are saying they'll ship to backers on August. I feel like I wouldn't expect delays as they are manufacturers of the parts but there is no saying for 100% certain with these things.

[@1037g8ming]

@@GameTechTalk so if I order now I’m not getting it till around august basically?

[@GameTechTalk]

@@1037g8ming Precisely yes, but you also pay less than if you wait until they stock their shop with the SKUs. If I recall, it'll be 190 in crowdfunding or 240 once it is released. Cheers!

[@PinkPanther2306]

Wich do you recommend hex or scuff?

[@PinkPanther2306]

Do you recommend hex more than scuff?

[@playerOG420]

Absolutely yes

[@GameTechTalk]

I am not too familiar with Scuf in all honesty but I am with Hex and eXtremeRate and I would feel more inclined to put my trust in the latter based off of my own experiences and what I have read online for nearly a decade about Scuf (that still doesn't seem to have changed). With that said, no brands are ever truly after anything other than their own interests so always proceed with a certain level of caution and make sure you buy the product that fits your needs best. Not to be cynic but I do need to give myself a reality check from time to time.

[@playerOG420]

@@GameTechTalk May I ask how did you obtain the Phantom? Because I know the project is still on Kickstarter till August, so they aren't shipping that model till August, but I see people like you have it.

[@GameTechTalk]

@@playerOG420 Sure, they reached out, said they like the content I make and offered to provide a unit in exchange of a fair review.

[@playerOG420]

@@GameTechTalk thanks 🙏🏻

[@kerpl0p]

280$ for a hall effect version - scummy price. while final result is nice, it's too overpriced. whoever buys it needs a reality check.

[@GameTechTalk]

It sure was a more appealing price during the kickstarter. Well, consumers can speak with their wallets, if they don't sell them, they'll discount them and if they still don't sell them, they'll eventually drop the price, or drop the quality to sell a new SKU for less. Offer and demand, that's on them to adjust accordingly.

[@FloaterKid]

These controllers need to come with a if it starts to stick drift you can return and we will send you a new one haha I’m on my 5th controller in what 2 years this is getting ridiculous at this point come on SONY!!

[@GameTechTalk]

So HexGaming actually has that exact policy on their website. Will paraphrase but basically it mentions that stick drift is covered lifetime and they'll repair free of charge. That doesn't mean everything is covered but the one thing that is the most important certainly is and some other stuff too, can't recall. The DRIFIX is a nice peace of mind for at least a couple of times that the controller would otherwise be dead.

[@FloaterKid]

@@GameTechTalk thanks might have to cop

[@DaSchwede1312]

Only with cable in on PS5? Thats Not so good 😢

[@GameTechTalk]

It works with wireless too, exactly like the PS5 Dualsense controller. It's just that wired offers better performance, like almost every other controllers in the world!

[@marvelsProtege]

The modding wizard could not find the company

[@GameTechTalk]

I feel like that is an inside joke I should be picking up on but I'm here standing with a: "Uh?" face... Sorry, I'm slow... sometimes? 😅

[@jasephase2k933]

Apparantly hex gameing site has hall effects to add

[@GameTechTalk]

At the end of the campaign, they offered each users to pick between ALPS and HE and now offer the option.

[@jasephase2k933]

@@GameTechTalk things take time first controller was modules has a kickstarter campaign obviously to achieve a goal more budgeting if not wouldnt have been possible to be hall efect these halleffects are improved is electro magnetic halleffects have changed the magnet to lower the error win win

[@jasephase2k933]

@@GameTechTalk contacted hexgameing preorders are available if a controller is going to beat duel sense edge will be the hall effect phantom controller

[@РомариоЧан]

Hmm very interesting information Okay, next time he will wait for a ps5 new game 2 or 4 Month 😎

[@GameTechTalk]

Glad you found it interesting, thanks!

[@damazsta]

Your taking this over the edge? Why? On PS5 edge is the best other than the stick drift epidemic

[@GameTechTalk]

Because this is basically a slightly altered PS5 Dualsense which I hope we can agree is basically what the Edge is, a slightly altered Dualsense. The difference is HexGaming now offers Hall-Effect options, has 2 more paddles, has slightly better battery (Edge battery is slightly worst than reg DS). They are both great don't get me wrong but tbh, the Edge's real only tangible benefit is the access to the PS5 software, that I can give it but for everything else, the Phantom holds up without little no effort to the Edge.

[@damazsta]

@@GameTechTalk after me having terrible stick drift for 2 months after only using the controller for 9 months has me compelled to agree with you. Because you can’t even BUY a stick module for regular price. When does the phantom drop? I’m finna sell this shit on offer up I’m OVER it. I love the software stuff. I had my profiles n dead zone set perfectly for each game. But it’s not worth it if I can’t replace them cheap ahh stick modules smh

[@ogskarface6646]

two words....LIFETIME WARRANTY!!!!

[@GameTechTalk]

Indeed, with that said, Hex is ghosting me right now... I'm a tad concerned, it's like they are giving me the exact opposite of the treatment I expected I'd be getting from them...

[@paulolsen2300]

Wish they would sell just that back shell but as of now they only offer the rise.

[@GameTechTalk]

Indeed, I thought they did for a moment but I must've been going crazy as I looked just now and much like you, all I see is the Rise.

[@Dyminxsh]

Please god no one ever buy a hex controller. I bought two and they both ARRIVED with stick drift and both of their hair triggers broke within ONE MONTH. save your money PLEASE

[@GameTechTalk]

Sorry to hear.

[@oumac]

If only they shipped to Europe ...

[@GameTechTalk]

I had no clue they didn't. That's weird, I was looking at eXtremeRate and they seemed to imply they had a foothold in the UK. I might have my memories mixed out here. Then again, Europe is huge obviously. Where in Europe if you don't mind me asking?

[@oumac]

@@GameTechTalk I've tried 2 month ago and 2 weeks ago to have it shipepd in France :/

[@GameTechTalk]

@@oumac Ahhh la France! Bonjour du Québec. Je me demande si ce n'est pas une question de "Francisation" de l'équipement. C'est définitivement un problème occasionnel que nous avons au Québec. Parce que les boîtes et les livrets d'instructions ne sont pas traduis, etc... Je vais tenter de voir avec HexGaming si il y a une cause pour cela, si j'obtiens une réponse, je vous reviens avec l'info. Merci de l'engagement! ☺

[@oumac]

@@GameTechTalk Oh Nice ! Merci beaucoup d'avance pour la prise d'information, leurs produit ont l'air vraiment bons et nous n'avons accès qu'aux pièces détachées de la marque sur Amazon. Ce serait vraiment génial de pouvoir commander leur produit entier. Merci d'avance pour la demande à la marque =)

[@oumac]

@@GameTechTalk Hi, were you able to get an answer regarding sending to France? Thanks in advance

[@Vizr.]

Such a lazy build, the time this video was uploaded there was already a webtool to calibrate both Pots and HE. For PS4/PS5. Using shitty 10-100k ohm pots as trim pots to try and recenter a poorly installed module and possible dmg pots. Remove range further reducing the stick module rotational simmetry. This has got to be a sponsored review. How else can we really take this serious. So many companies and ebay stores with crazy high prices on shitty installs. Dudes that depend on "driftfix" or calibration pcb to hide there terrible installations.

[@GameTechTalk]

Ok. Allow me to share perspective, as you have yourself. You are an intelligent individual right? You pride yourself in being eloquent and knowing stuff right? You stand out amongst the group because of your wits and skills that most people do not have right? See, everything I just wrote is called: "Assumption". You would know that because you make a whole lot of 'em yourself. Assumptions, that most people even understand what you're talking about. A lot of people just want to go home after a hard-working day, want to sit down and enjoy their games, without fear of having to deal with another challenge they didn't ask for. Blame HexGaming all you want but I am talking about their first-party controllers. They want it to just work. So your solution is to bash the brand, bash me, and assume what I do, how I do with, and with what integrity that I do all of it. Your choice. I, for one, will assume that people will appreciate having a solution, even if not perfect, made for them to easily address problems they have with a solution that is herego presented. But hey, you are welcome to make the "end-all" solution, put up a crowdfunding campaign, sell the product and I'll make a review for it and guess what, I won't receive a dime because that's not how I work, if I did, I wouldn't be putting everything on the line as I currently am. Heck, what am I even saying, you wouldn't send me a unit to review, since you're all up in arms assuming I'm something that I am not.

[@HelloImCrimson]

For this price, using ALPS is absolute dogshit. Im sorry, but no hall effect or TMR sticks. Nah dog.

[@GameTechTalk]

They do have a Hall-Effect option, they announced it about a week after I made this video.

[@abadman972]

ta vraiment pas peur pr laisser ton paquet dehors a mtl 😂 😂

[@GameTechTalk]

Oublie le paquet, j'ai installe une camera sur la camera qui filmais par precaution 😂

[@abadman972]

@@GameTechTalk better be safe then sorry!! 😂 😂

[@XDomX777]

So the thumb sticks you have to twist 😂. Put it on then twist to the right then they won’t flick off

[@GameTechTalk]

Oh man, I can't be that dumb.... Dude!! You scared the hell out of me, I got up so fast to go grab the controller! 😱 But you may be onto something, that's possible that the final product would have a rotation lock and that would effectively fix the issue. But assure you, the one I have do not. Don't scare me like that 😅

[@XDomX777]

@@GameTechTalk sorry to scare you lol. I recently bought their Xbox version, and that’s how the sticks are secured.

[@GameTechTalk]

@@XDomX777 Ahahah no worries! Truth be told, it would've totally been my type to miss something like that. 😅 When I get "in the zone" I often have the obvious most stuff go over my head.

[@theminibergy]

that's bad can't buy just one :(

[@GameTechTalk]

I'd say by year end, they'll probably have the product be regularly stocked on their regular website. Cheers!

[@ronthorn3]

No haptics? Meh.

[@GameTechTalk]

Haptics are exactly the same as the Dualsense. It has "HD rumble" and it has the adaptive triggers.

[@Rayzeo]

No, no they did not 😂

[@GameTechTalk]

I'd love to know which one is, maybe I don't know about the product you have in mind! Cheers

[@mikevbushy]

This controller lasted a few months and horrible stick drift has rendered it useless

[@GameTechTalk]

Are you a creator as well? If so, do you care to link your review?

[@jk47xo]

Awesome review! Now they have added Hall effect sticks and calibration tool as an add-on and stated that the HE sticks won’t work with the DRIFIX module. They haven’t explained how the calibration process will work yet. Which would you opt for? The way the controller was originally designed with the alps and DRIFIX module or the implementation of the Hall sticks? I’m interested in the Halls but kind of nervous it’s being introduced so late into the production cycle. I also play a lot of COD and not sure the Hall effects would impact gameplay? What are your thoughts?

[@GameTechTalk]

I was able to have communications with HexGaming and for them to gather user feedback from videos like mine and other creators. They are very receptive. The reason why I say that is I believe they heard the outcry of users that asked for HE. With that said, seeing how fast they were able to address the issue, I do feel like they have visited the option prior launching the campaign. -- This is 100% guess work on my part!! -- I think they made a conscious decision to stick to ALPS because as much as some want to *beep* on ALPS for drifting, and understandably so, ALPS do have a certain quality to it, especially with joystick resolution. tl;dr - Go ALPS + DRIFIX if you like the way Dualsense original sticks feel, but you only want them lasting longer. Go HE if you're the kind of gamer that is confident in being able to remap your brain into adapting to different components. HE are hyper sensitive in comparison so the curve often feels more aggressive. But you'll have peace of mind over time.

[@jk47xo]

@@GameTechTalk thanks for the clear and concise response man! Greatly appreciated! That is a great point that maybe they had visited the HE approach before the campaign and decided to offer it after customer request. At this point, I think I’m leaning toward sticking with ALPS and DRIFIX, at least until they reveal how the calibration process will work or what HE modules they’re using. Don’t wanna risk being a Guinea pig on the first batch 😂

[@KayezTP]

Nah bruh

[@GameTechTalk]

🎵 Oh nah nah what’s my name oh nah nah what’s my name 🎵

[@Itz_ReallyDee]

Are you able to map the back buttons to keybinds on mw3?

[@GameTechTalk]

So that heavily depends on what platform you mean. If you mean keybinding say your keyboard while playing on PC? No you cannot. If you mean keybinding for example your reload button (square) or your firing button (R2) while playing on PS5, you absolutely can yes. I hope this answers the question, cheers! :)

[@khyeplays9431]

Can you test out the ThundeRobot G45 Pro?

[@khyeplays9431]

Or Flydigi Direwolf 2

[@GameTechTalk]

Someone mentioned it in an other video, wasn't it you actually? I've been keeping a tab opened the Thunderbolt... I don't know that it'll happen at this point to be honest, I see reviews dating back to 6 months ago, my time feels like it would be better spent focusing on recent products, still I find it curious so we'll see. I like that it looks like the Classic Wii controller... As for the Direwolf 2, it's kind of the same thing, I'd love to be sent a review unit when the successor comes out, just because it's a careful balancing act and I have to be selective of the things I review to not overburden my ability to put out videos. Thanks for your suggestions though, I still write them down because we never know! Cheers :)