MrBeast is in some YouTuber beef and he is not happy

[@elliegd]

mr beast using charity to back his argument as if jacksepticeye doesn’t also donate a huge amount to charity is hilarious actually

[@ciciamanda.]

that and the "i'll just take the punches and be the bigger man" at the end of a three paragraph tweet is so funny

[@elliegd]

@@ciciamanda. ikr, like maybe if he wanted to be the bigger man he would’ve messaged sean privately but idk that’s just me. they’ve squashed it at this point but literally if mr beast never responded it wouldn’t have been this big 😂

[@shorkelili]

this! he acts like Jack didn't raise 10 MILLION last year for charity!!

[@raven_moonshine39]

@@elliegd If he really wanted to be the bigger man, he'd have let it pass and not done anything about it at all.

[@hashtagmate]

@@ciciamanda.i felt like i was back in middleschool/highschool when I read that 😂😂😂

[@twindrill2852]

To be fair those lie detector machines are borderline pseudoscience, but Mr. Beast’s response to Sean’s opinion is lowkey proving him right.

[@Chiefkeefer78]

Sean def wasn’t lying tho

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

its not proving him right its just proving that mr beast can't control himself which is a bad thing for business

[@SapphireSeahorse494]

idk exactly what you mean by borderline pseudoscience. I personally think it's just falsely advertised. the part where it detects the difference in heartrate and blood pressure and stuff is scientific, but the conclusion that a certain change in the heartrate = for sure lying is not.

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

@@SapphireSeahorse494 its more like a very manipulative anxiety detector

[@tortellinifettuccine]

​@@Ye1diamondOfficial....

[@joeybaddog398]

Jimmy only perceives Sean’s comment as “disrespectful” because Jimmy feels that his power, wealth, and capitalist philanthropy warrants a high level of respect.

[@joeybaddog398]

It doesn’t btw

[@glowraiser]

NAILED IT

[@hiddenh0es]

couldn't have said it better myself

[@soupy_soup2]

Exactly. He believes that just because he does charity that means he’s immune to criticism, which is just stupid. Classic billionare mindset.

[@codered2358]

EXTREMELY well said. People are allowed to not like you, even if you’re the biggest youtuber in the platform. Plus jack was literally hooked up to a lie detector idfk what jimmy wanted in that situation💀

[@anna__345]

saying “i’ll take the punches and be the bigger man” while making a 3 paragraph twitter post and ending it with “sigh” is crazy

[@VGbeck22]

He literally says he could talk so much shit and in the same breath says he’s the bigger person. It’s wild lol

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

he was angry

[@sam2572]

literally so wild

[@moonlit_sky127]

@@Ye1diamondOfficialthats not an excuse mate

[@skyethenerd1054]

​@@moonlit_sky127pretty sure they were agreeing

[@HeisenbergFam]

You gotta respect Sean's balls of steel to be brutally honest and not be a "yes man" sucking up to the biggest guy on the platform

[@MY_LEG-]

Do you watch every single KZbinr on the planet and comment on every video?

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

@@MY_LEG-watch? That’s a stretch, he just comments fs. Respect but I can’t help and hate it lmao.

[@CatmunistCom]

bruh to be fair he was hooked up to a lie detector. he doesnt have much of a choice

[@wartygourd]

thank you!

[@n0tlauren]

amen

[@Beeboopbop94]

What’s crazy is Jacksepticeye didn’t even say anything THAT horrible or that disrespectful. He just had an opinion and Mr Beast got SUPER defensive. Also really not liking how he’s using his charity as a shield.

[@Joyed3650]

He got triggered because Jack stated something about him tht isn't true. And it wasn't some random who said it - it was a creator he is friendly with, has collabed in videos with, and has been a fan of since he was a teenager. That would have felt to Jimmy like being stabbed in the back. Also, Jack is almost 10 years older than MrBeast, so of course there is a maturity difference.

[@magentatime]

Nah Jimmy came off pathetic and sad with that response. Stop dickriding him, he's not any different than other billionaires who ALSO give a fuck ton of to charity for the tax write offs, just cause he makes videos about it. Not to mention you cant even say what jack said "isnt true" because its literally just his opinion. @@Joyed3650

[@de1516]

@wormyMemes idk i feel like both parties are objectively immature in this situation. jack KNOWS that he ALSO has a huge influence on a lot of his fans therefore, when he voiced his negative opinions on mr beast a lot of jack's fans are bound to agree with "their youtuber". that all just leads to this dumbass drama that EASILY could have been avoided.

[@Joyed3650]

@wormyMemes Sometimes it is because they saw private things like upcoming videos and don't want to spoil. Usually they record months in advance. They also worry about leaking private things about his location. Also, people usually try to avoid saying mean things about people who are popular.

[@lottie-3-3]

Yeah, just because you do some good things doesn’t warrant you doing something bad. It’s like murdering someone and then using the defense “I take care of the homeless and give to charity”

[@amelieebelle]

if mr beast just knew how to properly handle criticism none of this would be an issue

[@noodlesofoodles]

it was weird for him to be criticized to begin with but he should be an adult about it

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

he's 50/50 on that

[@fallenbee]

​@@noodlesofoodlesI mean there are valid criticisms for Mr beast, like how he convinced everyone there's a cure for blindness- ofc helping people with sight problems is a good deed, but he labeled it as curing blindness which isn't a thing-

[@noodlesofoodles]

@@fallenbee that’s the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard. he helped people see for the first times in their life, and i doubt he claimed to have any medical knowledge that wasn’t verified. the only thing he did was demonstrate that it shouldn’t be hard for people to get easily accessible medical treatment. edit: also if you’re dumb enough to think all blindness is the same, that’s on you

[@fallenbee]

@@noodlesofoodles that's the misinformation I'm talking about. He didn't help them see for the first time, he helped them see more clearly. Again, a good deed. But he's exaggerating what he did.

[@EleanoRa99]

Sean said the quiet part out loud and it’s refreshing seeing a big KZbinr criticise mr beast. He uses the fact that he donates to charities etc as a get of jail free card too often. Doing good deeds shouldn’t mean you’re immune to criticism.

[@alexj-t2331]

It’s like the Bill Gates effect, you hear about all the charity he does so that it overshadows everything else to criticize

[@balldropper3423]

If KZbin gets filled with shit content and results in the aid of hundreds of people I am all for it.

[@khadeejones1136]

It's wild how Mr.Beast said "I'll just take the punches and be the bigger man" while making an shady internet beef post.

[@VGbeck22]

I was thinking the same thing. It’s wild to say “there’s so much I COULD say about them but won’t because I’m the better person.” he’s just leaving it up for his fans to speculate what he is referring to lol.

[@allyrose6437]

​@@VGbeck22exactly, essentially making his fans do it for him

[@khadeejones1136]

​@@VGbeck22 I guess just not responding would have been too easy.

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

i'm sure jimmy was just mad while writing it or it could've been y'know a crew member writing it lol

[@mhincredible4598]

@@Ye1diamondOfficial a crew member writing a risky post? Uh no, if that were the case his pr team needs to be fired bc thats not how to deflate a situation☠️

[@ambi_cakes]

He gave his opinion, and that's where it should've ended; Mr.Beast's response was unnecessary.

[@norwhal3703]

Exactly! Its not a crime that he has a different taste in youtube videos! He was talking attacking mr beast he was just saying he doesn’t care for his videos

[@vlad5042]

i mean he could've expressed his own opinion, or even just been like "man that hurt and i don't personally think its a fair critique" and i, personally, wouldve respected that i guess, but pulling the whole "this is so disrespectful" card seems exaggerated and like he more or less explicitly wants his fans to go pester sean until he takes it back lol

[@quinnjd]

yeah. like why does he care at all.

[@jenice7057]

ok but why does Nick treat Sean having an opinion as an argument? He legit goes “he’s wrong and here’s why” and tries to “debunk” his opinion.

[@O_O.The.Commenter]

Because he’s a Mr. Beast fan?

[@aliciaward1185]

It’s Nick’s opinion that Sean is incorrect. You can disagree with the opinions of others and think they’re wrong.

[@raskali7268]

Kinda annoying how people arent allowed to dislike MrBeast because "he does charity!!"

[@smwatertasteslikewater]

Exactly! It’s always the same defence from his fans

[@abbyz13]

the few billionaires holding onto the majority of resources but spreading crumbs now and again in hopes of looking good is a tale as old as time

[@waddledeep]

I never understood the charity defense when he clearly makes money from merch and youtube.

[@kay-collins]

Which is stupid bc Mr Beast is also trash.... he let a man “win” a million dollars who was broke af (according to the “content” he posted anyway showing his terrible living conditions) THEN for more “content” FORCED HIM TO SPEND IT ALL IN ONE DAY! That man needed that money to SURVIVE off of & he MADE him spend it after showing his living conditions to everyone & all... MADE him spend it all in one day on BS so he couldn’t put any back & save it or make any interest or anything. So while yes, it probably did help him it wasn’t NEAR how much it could have & should have! Also, not like they don’t ALL do “charity” work bc they all do but they only do it for the tax breaks.... as if that’s not also trash af.

[@kay-collins]

@@abbyz13yep!!

[@sillycreature]

you’re allowed to hate on millionaires, all and any of them, unless its mr beast for some reason

[@lilguy693]

enstars icon jumpscare ...

[@juli5945]

Tbf the ones who endlessly defend mr beast might be the same ones that defend certain other millionares as well

[@kay-collins]

@@juli5945they are!!

[@kay-collins]

Which is stupid bc Mr Beast is also trash.... he let a man “win” a million dollars who was broke af (according to the “content” he posted anyway showing his terrible living conditions) THEN for more “content” FORCED HIM TO SPEND IT ALL IN ONE DAY! That man needed that money to SURVIVE off of & he MADE him spend it after showing his living conditions to everyone & all... MADE him spend it all in one day on BS so he couldn’t put any back & save it or make any interest or anything. So while yes, it probably did help him it wasn’t NEAR how much it could have & should have!

[@ineedsundaytiddies]

ENSTARRIE GHOST AND PALS FAN ⁉️⁉️

[@champagnesiren]

Sean is actually a good person. He participates in charity too, he just doesn't plaster it all over the place. Sean and Mark (Markiplier) have been around for basically as long as youtube has been relevant and both are very actively charitable. They both make insane views, have a massive subscription count, but neither of them scream from the rooftops about the charity they partake in. Mr. Beast will always be problematic because he makes content under the guise of charity. He is just some dude who got lucky and has a lot of money and he wants respect and power. Every single one of his charity videos screams 'KZbinr records themselves giving a homeless person $100'. There is a fundamental issue with blasting your charitable acts all over the place. If you are doing charity and expecting something in return (the very act of uploading videos of such charity for money and views) you are doing business, not kindness. If you need credit for giving, you are not giving.

[@aryanram02]

yo remmember when mark made an OF for charity? lmao now thats what i call true entertaining charity, it was just a phase, he actually helped ppl out and moved on unlike mr breast

[@Its_Bepps]

“If you need credit for giving, you are not giving.” THIS!! Thank you SO much!! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@aryanram02]

@@Its_Bepps i agree too!

[@koalba]

I have the feeling that I read somewhere that mark gives more than 60% of his money to charities but im not totaly sure, I read it a long time ago so just read it as a vague memory

[@champagnesiren]

@koalba I think he mentioned a certain amount of what he donates to charities in the interview he had with Anthony Padilla I think? I'm not certain. I do recall Mark on a few occasions making it known that he isn't comfortable with how much money he makes, and that's why most of it is funneled into charities/supporting other youtube creators and making content etc.

[@modelmajorpita]

It's also important to note that Mr Beast lied. He didn't "buy a mansion" but he did spend several million dollars buying an entire neighborhood of nice houses for him and his workers. Not to mention he constantly flaunts his wealth but because he gives some of it away we're supposed to ignore that his entire brand is based around flexing about his money and he only helps people if he can monetize them.

[@notshardain]

the fact that he has made a company neighborhood and everyone forgot about it is so wild to me

[@lemonmuffin2656]

Company houses/neighborhood is something that should be criticize more

[@thatsdisco]

wait,, he did a small version of what Walt Disney wanted to do with Disneyland????

[@ceeloanders5481]

I feel like it's only a "flex" if you're jealous

[@jigsawpiece8690]

So if they quit/got fired they could possibly lose their house... Yh doesn't sound very good to me

[@uzuilover4ever]

even if mr.beast is helping ppl, people can still not like his content.. idk why he got so mad

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

he got mad because sean is assuming a lot about him and sean is only basing his statements on himself without knowing jimmy

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

@@Ye1diamondOfficialman you are coming to his defense like a fanboy. You seem just as mad as he is lmao. You are making so many baseless claims and aren’t even sticking to your opinion.

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

@@D44RK_Iced_Yogs so we're not allowed to answer questions without being a fanboy now? one i'm a girl two i love them both and three is sean was some no name you would not defend him

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

@@Ye1diamondOfficial You made baseless claims of both parties. For all we know they’ve talked before so why say Sean is in the wrong for the baseless wrong reasons when you don’t know either of them? I would defend the shit out of him. He’s a lovely man and has a great personality, that’s why he got big in the first place and why I started watching him years ago. Views, charity and money don’t have a hold on opinions about someone else. Also, the view thing is not a card you can pull when that’s simply not the case.

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

@@D44RK_Iced_Yogs you love the man, if he was a no name you would not love the man, therefore you would not defend him at all i'm right with that. "for all we know" is not proof of jimmy and sean talking in depth about their relationship with the content they make. I love sean and jimmy they're both from what i've seen good men and attacking either of them without hearing out the other one solves nothing seans fans are going to defend sean and jimmys fans are going to defend jimmy, i'm both so i am a non biased party. do not defend people just because you like them that's just plain weird you know neither of them both are in the wrong. jimmy should not have publicized this, sean should not have answered the question and tommy should not have asked that question. none of them from my knowledge are bad people and you treat jimmy beast like one because you simp for sean to an unhealthy level. regards me

[@lissasaturn1766]

i think it’s an L take to say that sean shouldn’t criticize mr. beasts because of sean does gaming videos and tik tok reactions.. he’s been on this platform for a long time and has made videos for his audience, which was mostly children at one point, for just as long.

[@marciahunt6442]

Agreed! Especially when Sean has made charity focused content frequently throughout his time on KZbin as well. One of the major draws to Sean's content for me has always been his discussions about mental health and how so many people have said just even putting his videos on in the background have reminded them that they're not alone, provided them company, etc. These gaming videos have been the companions of so many lonely kids for years and years. That alone, on top of the tangible impact of thankmas and other charity content, gives his content so much more substance than I feel like Sean was given credit for in that major L of a take 😂

[@taylorjohnson3141]

i totally agree, that part of the video kind of rubbed me the wrong way. gaming videos aren’t some like lower form of content that excludes sean from criticizing mr. beast’s content

[@vlad5042]

i think by posting a video expressing his views on a certain type of content "ruining" youtube opens sean up to criticism of his own content and its impact on youtube, but i agree that that doesn't mean he shouldn't express that opinion.

[@number1whalesharkfan]

i hate how everyone is okay with criticizing billionaires unless it’s mr beast. just because he does charity, doesn’t mean he’s prone to criticism and he should handle criticism better edit: i meant immune lmao

[@SallyBerry9]

And the worst part is; all billionaires do charity work! Why? To get out of paying taxes due to charity donations being a tax write-off

[@LizzieBelina]

​@@SallyBerry9 Right? I just commented this. Charity is a HUGE benefit for the rich. Both in the US and the UK. Both Sean and Jimmy get it as a tax write-off and if they do it through the corporation the tax write-offs are absurd.

[@SallyBerry9]

@@LizzieBelina I know it sounds bizarre, but considering the differences between Jimmy and Sean; I feel like Jimmy does Charity with the full thoughts of ‘oo, tax write off’, while Sean doesn’t think about that and his accountant just does it as accountants do.

[@LizzieBelina]

@@SallyBerry9 no I 100% believe the same thing. Otherwise he'd do more charity events. Sean does one big one that everyone involved has fun too. It's not a fundamental part of his business.

[@hannae2056]

exactly

[@mikaelasmith5202]

Jacksepticeye took a long break to find the joy in creating and now focuses on sharing what he finds enjoyable. I'm not a fan of mrBeast, he could enjoy what he puts out but it often feels like he's trying to one up himself every time he uploads. JackSepticEye can post how he wants and mrBeast can post what he wants. But there is a different motivation behind each of them. This is neither for or against any one. To each their own, but I do think Jacks comment about fun comes from his personal experience of being overworked by the algorithm.

[@Lapagfam]

I completely agree they're on this platform for different reason and neither is inherently wrong for that

[@anna.owo.]

I agree with, i found it unfair that jack criticised him for not "enjoying it" when he needed to take a break to love what he does again. This is a very personal thing and you can't demand it from others

[@lalacustard]

​@@anna.owo.I don't think it was meant as a criticism, more as a warning to not burn out. If you do what you enjoy, burn out is less likely.

[@hsa9728]

If Jack didn’t make enough money out of youtube he wouldn’t have came back. it has always been about money you can choose to enjoy it as well, but don’t lie to yourself and say that all these creators would continue if they didn’t get paid as much as they do, jack is being a hypocrite

[@EtGemitusMortis]

@@hsa9728 You have no idea who Jack is if this what you consider his prime motivator for coming back. Content Creators need views, and that gets them money, yes, won't deny it (if it survives youtube's censors anyways). But he says he had to take a break in his actual comeback video because he kept trying to adhere to the algorithm and it wasn't working and it burned him out. He came back because he wanted to continue his job (regardless of what you think of it, content creating is now a job) and was dealing with other irl factors in his life on top of the burnout. It's also not hard to miss his passion for his work now that he actually makes content he enjoys again but sure, my friend, you do you.

[@tess2241]

jacksepticeye is a youtube veteran, and has had this job for long enough that his opinion is well worth listening to.

[@GLENDALE_ISBACK]

No it's not

[@shorkelili]

@@GLENDALE_ISBACK yes it is. if anyones opinion is worth listening to, its Sean's. he's been through it all on youtube, the rising popularity, the overworking, the burnout, and then the rebirth. his take on the fact that mr beasts content has changed youtube for the worst, is 100% valid. he would know, since he's been doing this shit for 10 years and has witnessed the platform dramatically changing.

[@eleventhecccreator]

I just don’t know why people aren’t talking about him addressing pedos and focus on the mrbeast comment 😭

[@soupy_soup2]

@@eleventhecccreator Because that part is not really debatable. There are way too many groomers and pedos who make money through KZbin. They get canceled once again for some weird shit they did and people forget about it and they continue making content (albeit less viewers than they had before). You have to do some truly horrible shit to be booted off the platform (Colleen is really the only example I can think of this happening).

[@eleventhecccreator]

@@soupy_soup2 I’m not saying to debate him on it, I meant to back him on it. I’m sure if big goated KZbinrs standing together to get them off the platform might make a change but instead mrbeast wanted to challenge him on the least important thing said. Jacksepticeye didn’t even say he hated mrbeast, he didn’t like him but he HATED the groomers and chomos. Mrbeast missed the ball on declaring he hated them too

[@sasuxsakuxfan]

My gripe with this whole thing is that Sean was under a lie detector test. It’s not like Sean wanted to vocalize his opinions about Mr. Beast just to start shit. Mr. Beast makes himself look bad and petty by responding to this. When a guy has to say they’re a nice guy, it makes it harder to believe them. Like you don’t have to explain anything if you and your fan base knows you’re a good guy.

[@binnedbag]

also its a fifteen minute tommyinnit video hes not going to talk in depth about his whole developed opinion when hes meant to be doing a lighthearted video

[@plutoprojector1140]

yeah like he was put under the pressure of having to respond. it's not like he's trained to be able to trip a lie detector, so there's really no way he's going to lie. idk man it just got so blown out of proportion like he was making a 45 min hate video.

[@raven_moonshine39]

His line of "I guess I'll have to be the bigger person" made me roll my eyes so hard they almost stuck. The "bigger person" doesn't draw attention to something no one else is talking about while whining about how someone on the internet doesn't like you. The way Mr. Beast always reacts to stuff like this just shows that all he cares about is praise and attention. I learned at 13 that some people just aren't going to like you and there's nothing you can do about it except move on with your life. He's 25 and still hasn't figured that out. It also just backs up what Sean said--if he was really having fun, he wouldn't care so damn much about what other people think about him.

[@FallenShadowwalker]

The biggest part I find bafflingly stupid about all of this is that the entire tone of the video is NOT SERIOUS IN ANY WAY. They were answering silly and "controversial", and very obiviously pointed, questions in order to be funny. Jack's comment wasn't a carefully thought out official statement declaring war on Mr. Beast. It was a gripe with the explosion of channels making content that can feel empty and soulless, content-farm style. I personally like Mr. Beast videos, but the sort of challenges or street giveaways need to be filmed in a way that isn't exploitative and a lot of people who are inspired by him don't seem to either get it or care. Not all of course. Often times Mr. Beast's clones are superficial imitations that take the content format, but not the behind the scenes practices that make sure you aren't grossly exploiting people and justifying it by just throwing them a hundred dollar bill in a video.

[@Chiefkeefer78]

I don’t understand why mr beast even responded, it’s not like Sean made the video to broadcast his opinions on mr beast, it was just a few questions that literally thousands of people have shared the same opinions on

[@FallenShadowwalker]

@anj7506 Exactly, it was rather offhand of a comment. It wasn't like Seán made a big exposé video.

[@YakitoriQueen]

exactly. like it should be obvious that when youtubers do lie detector test videos, the entire point is coaxing each other into saying mildly controversial stuff in order to be funny because everyone knows lie detectors are bullshit. it's so weird that mr beast took it so hard and went to the point of saying it was "insanely disrespectful" like no matter how valid either of their arguments are that's such an insane overreaction and it does Not bode well with all the talk abt how mr beast has a massive ego. i'd understand if jack said something truly offensive abt him but his claims were like. the mildest shit ever. everyone and their mothers has said that about mr beast before. in my opinion it's just embarrassing for mr beast that he overreacted so much to claims that were like, extremely mild and unserious

[@FEKana]

​@@YakitoriQueensadly Most of the people who look at lie detector videos don't actually know that Lie detector test have a high margin of error

[@sera.tonin.]

THANK YOU! everyone just immediately took everything personally rather than taking a second to understand the goofy context of the video. asking incredibly leading questions to make the person in the chair as uncomfortable as possible, all for good laughs and fun content. it’s fine for mr. beast to be upset, but he exposed himself way more by responding the way he did.

[@Justapikachu577]

The fact that Nick is treating Jack's opinion as a argument is very strange. He wasn't arguing he was filming a lie detector video. Obviously he didn't fully think out a argument on the spot for a unrelated argument to Mr Beast.

[@LordOfElysium]

Yeah, and I’m pretty tired of Nick playing centrist. It’s okay to have an opinion, c’mon Nick, let us hear yours.

[@maizenalbrecht1156]

I feel the same with Nicks's views, There isn't a right or wrong for me so I like Nicks view on this discussion. Jacksepticeye is one of my favorite KZbinrs and I enjoy his content far more than MR. beast. I don't think its bad to play the middle of a discussion. It's good to be balanced between perspectives and I'm sure if he thought one side was worse he'd tell us. @@LordOfElysium

[@brookeartz]

but i think thats part of the point in most of his videos, hes here kinda as a journalist, he wouldnt be as credible if he was biased yk?@@LordOfElysium

[@GraceCleo]

@@LordOfElysium is he "playing" centrist? maybe he just doesnt have a strong opinion on every single topic he makes a video on? its okay to admit when there is nuance. also nick does share his opinions on things frequently.

[@b3dbvgs]

the problem is you guys are taking this video super seriously, while saying that nick is taking the situation too seriously 😭 this situation is not that big of a deal, all nick did was give his two cents on it and people are acting like its the end of the world. if sean is allowed to express his opinions about mr beast, nick can express his about the situation.

[@Raccoonidiotfan]

The fun argument with people saying that Mr. Beast is a good guy because he does charity clearly do not know about thankmas, a massive charity where Jack and many other youtubers invest into charity that isn’t used for just content to seem like he’s a good guy. While Mr. Beast might not be 100% the cause of youtube becoming clickbait content he has contributed massively to it. And him not being able to take some criticism is honestly just sad

[@gem9535]

"I did a good thing so you're not allowed to dislike me!"

[@dimwitdove3813]

he, also, had a year where he did a 24 hour charity stream every month dedicated to a different charity. the man has done an insane amount of charity over the years and without exploiting the people who benefit from it for content.

[@cait3196]

@@gem9535 exactly. throwing money at poor people doesnt give u a free pass to do and say whatever without criticism

[@jigsawpiece8690]

​@@cait3196also that money he can get back as giving money to charity is/can be tax rewrite off so no matter how much money he gives he will always make money whilst exploiting vulnerable ppl to make money

[@tamhuy10]

@@cait3196 it wasnt even harsh criticism from jack

[@GodKnowsWhatIsInHere]

The difference between Jack’s vs MrBeast’s statement is that Jack’s was said off-the-cuff in the middle of a video and so I doubt it was 100% reflective of his actual opinion on MrBeast’s content. If he had time to actually formulate a legitimate argument then I bet it would be more comprehensible than him going “he’s not having fun because his videos are short”. MrBeast had time to think of a response (or to not respond at all).

[@mhincredible4598]

Exactly. He was strapped to a lie detector. Knowing Jack, he wouldnt have said anything ever unless he had time to fully explain himself. He doesnt go around saying who he does and doesnt like all the time

[@aki_fletch]

right! its hard to give a nuanced take on the evolution of youtube as a platform while strapped to a lie detector in the middle of a silly video lol

[@mroy27042]

my thoughts exactly

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

i think jimmy had just seen it and talked while angry instead of waiting till he cooled down

[@mroy27042]

@@Ye1diamondOfficial that’s on him tbh.

[@Syrec0]

People are also completely forgetting the amount of charity that Sean does (Thankmas), and he doesn’t shove it in people’s faces to use as leverage either. Yes Mr Beast does charity, but he clearly does it more for his own benefit and self-image than what he’d like everyone to believe.

[@StanleyNumber427]

For those interested in anti-capitalism (which is and has always been the correct way), Mr Beast's philanthropy reproduces a capitalist status quo, and does more harm than good. “The capitalist class is charitable out of self-interest; it gives nothing outright, but regards its gifts as a business matter, makes a bargain with the poor, saying: ‘If I spend this much upon benevolent institutions, I thereby purchase the right not to be troubled any further, and you are bound thereby to stay in your dusky holes and not to irritate my tender nerves by exposing your misery. You shall despair as before, but you shall despair unseen...’” -- Engels

[@frogofalltime]

Sean/Jack seems like a genuine person. Mr Beast kinda seems like he broadcasts poverty porn and gets offended when people call him out for it. Jack has a right to an opinion. KZbin feels like a cult these days

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

jimmy has a right to have a reaction, jimmy is in the wrong though that wasn't something to be publicized

[@Curiosity_R]

​@@Ye1diamondOfficialWhy not? Isn't social media literally made so people can broadcast their reactions?

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

@@Curiosity_R twitter users be like. short answer no. long answer nope

[@Curiosity_R]

@@Ye1diamondOfficial That's not people on Twitter, you just said that

[@shigushigu741]

​​@@Ye1diamondOfficialHave you *ever* been on Twitter before? Twitter is the exact *opposite* of that. What website were you on?

[@junebugx1312]

mr beast donated a disgusting amount of money to autism speaks and that’s all i need to know about him

[@breeeeeeeee7386]

WHOOP THERE IT IS

[@medea__witchhh]

wait wtf how have i not heard of this

[@perrytheplatyhoe3501]

OMG REALLY ew

[@xoch1717]

as someone with several autistic family members this makes me so mad. I doubt he even tried to educate himself on how he could actually help the autistic community. as long as he’s throwing his money at something he’s a good guy right?

[@mega88maru]

@@Novaellarabasically autism speaks thinks autism is curable instead of a neurological disorder, and has done extremely questionable or just straight up harmed autistic people. its been a while since i looked into it, but there are so many videos talking about the AS. horrible organisation.

[@soupy_soup2]

You know what’s pathetic? The fact that it wasn’t even beef until Mr Beast went and got butthurt that someone has a negative opinion on him.

[@turboshazed7370]

It's not worth getting upset over sure but pathetic? Eh I've seen a lot worse.

[@soupy_soup2]

@@turboshazed7370It is pathetic that he went and got butthurt over someone just having an opinion. You’d think that he would have some self awareness to realize that just because he “does charity” doesn’t make him immune to criticism. The only reason he’s angry is because he realizes that he won’t be remembered as fondly as Sean will. He and his videos will fade out of the limelight and everyone will forget about him.

[@greyblueme9711]

My guess is that Jimmy was a fan Sean's channel, he's a KZbin vet after all and since Jimmy was a fan of pewdiepie I assume Sean was also recommended at one point. Since it's not like he hasn't gotten this comment before, people literally call him terrible stuff every time he uploads so maybe it was just personal this time? Still shouldn't of tweeted that though

[@soupy_soup2]

@@greyblueme9711 Yeah i really don’t understand why this comment specifically got under his skin. I guess maybe because it came from someone he respects who doesn’t seem to respect him all that much.

[@manarmpits]

Sean is 100% in the right and for jimmy to respond that way is so funny "im gonna be the bigger person" while talking like a middle schooler bullying someone behind a screen

[@neussd8752]

FR three paragraphs responding and then saying "I'll be the bigger person" is so funny to me. Isn't being the bigger person literally not responding?

[@manarmpits]

@@neussd8752 YES EXACTLY!!! to say all that and then end it with saying ur the bigger person LOL

[@mxmissy]

That's what I don't get, like how can you be "the bigger person" and then drone on about how much good you do.

[@krys7643]

Fr, instead of just ignoring it and moving on, he just makes three fucking paragraphs then saying he's the quote on quote "I'll be the bigger person".

[@Altruistic_Hall]

Are people not allowed to dislike people now? Jack was literally just stating his opinion lmao. I've never watched one of MrBeast's videos because personally I do not like him - i only have the tiniest sliver of respect for him regarding how he sometimes does charity work

[@kageokami35]

Apparently not if it’s Mr Beast

[@smwatertasteslikewater]

Exactly

[@imafknloser4268]

Mr beast is a god don't you understand?????

[@mhincredible4598]

​@@imafknloser4268huh?

[@Altruistic_Hall]

​@@imafknloser4268you must be a child

[@TobyFloof]

mr beast pretending to be humble when he literally owns a mansion and a entire company town is hilarious.

[@goosiewave]

mr beast got more angry at jack not liking him than the internet calling kris a pedophile

[@Womper1992]

Ding ding ding

[@laurenangelss]

Haha, those were my first thoughts when I learned about this.

[@balldropper3423]

He made one tweet about this and several about Kris. What are you on about.

[@O_O.The.Commenter]

Did you not see his tweet calling out all the transphobes???? He obviously got more angry over Kris

[@bdaarmy9736]

​@@O_O.The.Commenter I did not whatsoever. It's interesting how this is big news but the other one was brushed over. Probably cause he wasn't more angry about that thing 😂

[@tackycardia]

Mr beast obsessing over his perception on the internet rather than focusing on his charitable acts gives away how self-serving his motivations are. Also he never smiles with his eyes.

[@calupoh9788]

I've been getting this kind of uncanny valley vibe from him for so long and I never really could pin point the exact reason this is exactly why, he never smiles with his eyes, I finally have the words to explain why the way he emotes makes me feel almost uncomfortable I guess it's to he expected when the default expression he has to maintain throughout most of his videos is a big, wide smile 😬

[@frogofalltime]

I wonder what he's like with the cameras off tbh. Is he genuinely that generous? or is it about some kind of rich guy self-gratification?

[@00bones00]

@@frogofalltimei feel like he's a very emotionally manipulative person w some anger issues but thats j the vibes i got

[@frogofalltime]

@@00bones00 yeah I feel similar

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

all acts of charity are self serving

[@cassidym.7687]

Mr. beasts response showed just how much self awareness he lacks and how little he's able to actually see the issues with his content. I think its important someone like jack called him out.

[@lsagee]

that’s what is was thinking, the line in his tweet “i’ll be the bigger man” is ironic.

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

i'm sorry do you realize the irony of this

[@ideac.]

all that "drama" was worthless lol

[@Acesspaded]

What is bad about his content?

[@GoodTimeForARoll]

​​@@Acesspadedit's not even really the content but also him as a person. Mr Beast is definitely the type of person to have a lot of privileges but not understand how privileged. Kind of like Shane not understanding offbrand foods

[@wthvickie]

I don't see why Sean having a personal opinion had to be "drama" in any way. He was asked a question and he answered it.

[@monamizumi4990]

mr beast is successful but jacksepticeye is literally a youtube legend

[@athrowawayperson9990]

yeah, that's the major thing. mr beast is rich and successful, but sean is going to be positively remembered by us for our entire lives.

[@neobonney]

haha hey we meet again

[@D44RK_Iced_Yogs]

I remember finding him when he made his BEAMNG videos. Seeing him grow into the legend he is was amazing. Although I don’t really watch his new content anymore, I frequently visit back to watch him play games or revisit old series’. I still remember being so happy for him when he got his first apartment, him thanking his dad and family for the support was touching even as a kid. I really feel like the golden age of YT was 2010’s and the rise of so many people is something I will always remember and appreciate!

[@monamizumi4990]

@@D44RK_Iced_Yogs i think it was because it was a new platform. when something was popular, everyone on the platform knew about it.

[@monamizumi4990]

@@neobonney hey you were the person who made fun of my anime pfp! good to see you again.

[@renatal.129]

jack's fanbase will not go out of their way to harrass anyone and, in my opinion, isn't in the same demographic as mr beast's, so i can't come up with why he would react that way to jack's clip if not because of a bruised ego. if mr beast can't deal with criticism, he shouldn't be on the internet.

[@neobonney]

I agree. I think that Jack's demographic used to be quite young but I do think it's aged up, meanwhile MrBeasts has kinda been consistently children viewers.

[@Altruistic_Hall]

​@@neobonneyTotally agree

[@moonlit_sky127]

yea, even the concept of his “responding” to sean is so strange to me 😭 like its so far off from any expected response. hes treating it like old youtube drama

[@emilyb.8219]

Also the fact that Mr Beast said it was disrespectful?? Like buddy, people are allowed not to like you, you're not inherently owed deference and respect from everyone just because you think you deserve it

[@Ok_Friend-il9of]

It’s not going to hurt the 100m+ subs mr beast has so why is it so important for Mr beast to throw a temper tantrum

[@Bully_Biscuit]

IMO this shouldn’t be a whole drama. Mr.Beast just needs to learn how to handle criticism.

[@tleigh4583]

Sean’s a smart guy, I’m sure if he sat down to really talk about it he’d have a much more nuanced take on creativity and KZbin content. Sean’s a creative, Mr beast is a businessman. To react like that to a nonchalant and clearly hyperbolic statement is so insecure, maybe he should invest money into himself and get a therapist.

[@hayleywho]

LMAOO true

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

jimmy is the type of man to take things personal and i feel like he should work on himself that being said the entire situation is drastically blown out of proportion

[@Lucifersfursona]

When Jimmy has all the money in the world for mental health resources he suddenly can’t find any

[@moonlit_sky127]

@@Ye1diamondOfficialblown out of proportion BY mr beast. he did this to himself lol

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

@@moonlit_sky127 you reacted to a man whose clearly mentally unwell making a thing into drama is blowing it out of proportion even more stop harassing me in specific cause i know with how frequently you reply to me in specific you must be either searching for me or purposely taking issue with everything i say because you're unhappy with the fact the mr beast is rich and you think i defend him and only him because you absolutely simp for sean in ways that are unhealthy and he did not ask you to defend him so let me get this clear.. stop defending a rich irish man from a rich american man they are both rich beyond measure if it helps you listen to me my birth name is sean to so stop responding to specifically me trying to start an arguement in every single place i am let me watch hasanabi in peace

[@amordesdemona]

It's funny that Jacksepticeye wasn't really making any points yet mr beast's reaction was so overdramatic and cringe that it overshadowed it

[@shigushigu741]

Thats the thing. The guy was just staying his honest opinion. He wasn't trying to give points, he was just saying why he didn't personally like the guy

[@amordesdemona]

@@shigushigu741 I mean, if you say someone's ruining youtube that's different from saying 'I don't like Mr Beast'. You can simply dislike Mr Beast anyway, it's not like you need a reason to dislike a person and a justification to publicly say it.

[@shigushigu741]

@@amordesdemona thats fair, but also I feel as if stating someone's ruining youtube is just... an opinion at this point and not trying to be literal, you know? The phase is used so often for youtubers that its just... normal to hear. Ot maybe everyone that I watch uses the same phrase to describe content they don't like. Both are very easily the case

[@amordesdemona]

@@shigushigu741 Idk man, i guess I don't know the guy enough to figure out that it's hyperbole. Whatever the case may be, the idea that Mr Beast goes around making sure everyone likes him is the funnier part of this

[@shigushigu741]

@@amordesdemona it definitely is the funniest part of this situation. His response was just bad to a hilarious extent

[@theanxiousavocado]

The thing that has always rubbed me the wrong way about Mr. Beast is the explicit power dynamic he holds over his participants & audience. Every episode I’ve personally seen has been him collecting dozens of fans and having them compete for some prize while, in turn, humiliating them and putting them in uncomfortable situations - which is always downplayed because they ‘consented’ to it. Although they may have agreed to participate, there’s obviously a clear power dynamic in terms of Mr. Beast’s audience, wealth, and popularity that is evidently impacting their contribution…. Maybe it’s just me, but it’s always given me Hunger Games vibes and I just don’t enjoy watching working-class individuals be exploited & paraded around like zoo animals in order to receive some sort of financial gain. It just seems like his videos are going to greatly skew what “charity” means for his young audience (I.e. the ‘do something for me and I’ll do something for you’ mindset), which is just sad. I don’t mean to hate on Mr. Beast, as I’m sure he’s just doing what he sees on his channel as popular, but I do wish he had more parameters in place to deal with these widely-held concerns head-on rather than continue to profit off of it.

[@beththebubbly69]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@tfkdandsvkc]

Well said another evil thing he does is he makes the participants stand for 24hours or extreme challenges that are very dangerous worse still he is known to be an evil dictator boss firing people at his whim and not giving people notice he does always gives me major hunger games vibes

[@mammoneymelon]

that's exactly why the squid game video made so many people uncomfortable. the show was explicitly a critique of how working class people have to sacrifice themselves to the rich if they want to make enough money to live. so when this super rich guy comes along and is like "haha what if i recreate this show (minus the deaths) using working class people for entertainment because they really want or need the money, wouldn't that be cool" it comes across as very tone deaf and ironic. i don't think jimmy is some cartoon villain intentionally exploiting people using his power in society, i think he's just so disconnected from how normal people live that he can't wrap his head around how we view money. you could also take the "curing the blind" video as an example of him really just not understanding how power dynamics work. personally, i would hate my disability being used to make someone else money. appearing in a very famous person's video just so he could use my disability as entertainment for mainly nondisabled people would make me extremely uncomfortable. but if that famous person offered to pay for a medical procedure that would improve my quality of life? i would absolutely do something i'm not comfortable with if it means even a little less financial strain on my family. in that case, you could argue that i "consented" to the situation, but the power imbalance means i'm willing to put up with something i absolutely wouldn't be okay with otherwise. and i don't think jimmy even realizes that he uses his power over others to essentially reduce them to props for his videos

[@theanxiousavocado]

@@mammoneymelon absolutely ALL of this 👏👏👏👏👏

[@tfkdandsvkc]

@@mammoneymelon well said girl🙏👏👏

[@dinosaur1583]

Mister Beast responding with "there is so much i could say about his content but i'll just take the punches and be a bigger man. Sigh" is proof that he is, in fact, not being the bigger man. Him being so insecure about one man's opinion, no matter how popular or how much of a legend that man is, says a LOT about him.

[@rickygermaineco]

yeah, if you were the bigger man you wouldn’t even mention that

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

to be fair sean is a giant among men his prides hurt and men tend to be very prideful i do agree with sean it is correct that he killed youtube

[@ilsavil]

Also, the humble brag of him not buying a mansion or a sports car even though he could but he just reinvest his money and "inspires kids to help people"....I physically cringed at that. Why did it read like that Dharmann video where the characters told Dharmann that he's such a great person.

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

@@ilsavil i personally think jimmy was hurt by seans statement and got defensive which is a bad habit all of us indulge in

[@paullopez2021]

Imagine being the biggest content creator **of all time** on KZbin - and still being petty like this. I really like how Mr. Beast brought the energy of "peak TV" to YT, but idk about him as a person.

[@seafoamottra960]

I feel like what Jack was trying to say isn't that his content needs to be fun, it's that Mr. Beast doesn't make content that he enjoys and just does it for the Money, Fame, and Views

[@skyrat1896]

Yeah, his poimt is that Mr Beast himself isnt having fun, which honestly i agree, you see him for like maybe 1 quarter of the video in which he always takes the role of a host explaining whats going on, and then lets his friends react to the stuff instead

[@nathalia120]

Or even if Mr Beast is having fun that isn't the point of his videos. His videos aren't about having a good time and having fun with friends, it's all about how big it is or how much money is being thrown into it and it always needs to be bigger and better than the last video. It's, like Jack said, more about how much money, fame and views is involved and less about just having a nice time and doing fun shit with your friends. KZbin has now become corporate and is no longer that cool website that allows people to do what they love for fun and I can see how an older creator can get annoyed or upset by that

[@chase5436]

@@nathalia120 It's always been about the money. He said he wants to build a 100 billion dollar company and a couple billion dollar companies on the side. Dude doesn't give a shit about helping people, he just knew it would be a great monetizable angle for his videos to start building his wealth. Don't worry, he'll be the next Elon some day. At least Jimmy would have actually built his own wealth by that point instead of relying on daddy's blood diamonds.

[@kait.5437]

Yeah I think that’s even his point where “if he had fun they would be longer” though I think that’s not the best way to say it, I would imagine the point is that I’m his opinion mr beast making video that are 10 minutes is just to get ad revenue.

[@saori5808]

He’s just saying mr. Beast is the pinnacle of the complete corporate youtuber takedown where content isn’t genuine anymore

[@theovenisfrozen5345]

"I'm not defending Mr. Beast." Proceeds to give a lengthy explanation into who Mr. Beast is, shows off a clip from his channel, scrolls through his channel, Shows view count and subs at the top of the channel. Proceeds to give Jacksepticeye the bare minimum intro, shows his channel but not the top of the channel so we can't see sub count , and doesn't talk about the millions of dollars Jack has done through Thanksmas every year and his other work. "He just plays video games and says Top O the Mornin'.'"

[@douglasharrison4842]

omg yes tho

[@wishbone-p4550]

it's so nutty to me that people absolve mr. beast of everything because of his philanthropy. he makes WAY more money than he gives away, so it isn't like it's any skin off his back

[@Chiefkeefer78]

And if you were such a good person you wouldn’t have to base a whole channel on it 😭

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

well he does kinda have companies to run and employees to pay but clearly thats not a reason he doesn't give his entire networth away, also so does sean he's just alot more upfront about it

[@LordOfElysium]

@@Ye1diamondOfficialhe’s a capitalist, trust me, he’s doing wage theft.

[@princessofjedi]

like especially to use that against sean who also does a lot of charity work. it's just not how he also makes money. soooooo

[@berrymerry1141]

If you do charity just to shield yourself from criticism then I don't think you're doing charity for the right reasons lol

[@ivasanchezify]

Well at least he donates even though it's not for the right reason better that than nothing

[@berrymerry1141]

@@ivasanchezify well yeah but with his and that same logic, jack also has donated a shit ton to charity and not all of it is publicly known. you’re not going to find many multi-millionaires that don’t do any charity work, just bc he’s very loud with his doesn’t give him a shield lol

[@ivasanchezify]

@@berrymerry1141 oh don't get me wrong you are completely right I'm not even trying to defend him I don't even like his content I'm just saying as someone who doesn't do charity if I prefer some multi millionaire donating or not to charity even though it's only for views and ego lifting at least he's putting money

[@berrymerry1141]

@@ivasanchezify yeah i get you but like i said, you’d be hard pressed to find someone with millions who isint donating some of it. it’s better than nothing but my original point is that it shouldn’t be used for social power when it’s not that uncommon of an act. i think it usually means more if it goes unheard, im someone that also donates a little to charity and i do some volunteer work on the side so i’m usually someone that prefers for people, especially people with lots of money, to do it out of the kindness of their hearts and not to remonetize and use it for social standing :)

[@sanji6245]

Let’s just forget all the charity work Sean had done.

[@Lyysabeth]

But he doesn't announce it to the world and profit off it so it doesn't count as charity... duhhhhhh

[@threewaystreet]

Jimmy's response is insanely manipulative, sheeeeeesh

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

jimmy's response is fueled by anger he shouldn't talk when angry

[@shigushigu741]

​@@Ye1diamondOfficialYou can be angry without being manipulative

[@moonlit_sky127]

and immature

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

@@shigushigu741 i agree jimmy should get psychological help however he's not that bad of a guy just a very prideful one

[@dirkfernandez827]

@@Ye1diamondOfficialwas anyone saying he should get psychological help?????

[@CorrectFossa]

I don’t like that Mr. Beast claims he’s “reinvesting” in his content when the quality of the video is more or less the same, the piles of money he’s throwing around are just getting bigger.

[@salemcrow5078]

Tbh I thought that's what he meant by "re-investing" - that he uses the money to spend more on the next video (like building that squid game complex) and/or give away more money each video.

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

so putting alot of money into videos only counts if it makes the video better? he just wants to give money away

[@AddyOkay]

Your point doesn't make any sense. That's exactly what re-investing money into videos is

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

who are you replying too @@AddyOkay

[@shigushigu741]

The problem mostly lies with his react content. Its hard to find obvious credits on those, and his reaction content i feel borders the same line of Okay/Not okay with the structure of them

[@jess-fg4vo]

Also, a millionaire using his money to “help people” when it benefits his image doesn’t really make him a good person it just makes him a rich guy who does things to make him look good to become even more rich

[@ohimaia8496]

Just because someone is a millionaire doesn’t automatically mean they don’t genuinely want to help people? And if he wasn’t rich he wouldn’t be able to help people to the level he does in the first place

[@neussd8752]

@@ohimaia8496 I do think Mr Beast wants to help people. The issue is him blasting it everywhere and making it his brand. It feels like he does it for the wrong reasons. Maybe helping people is part of the reason, but his public image as "the guy who helps people" also greatly benefits from his charity. It's also an issue for him to use it as a reason not to be criticised. Like someone doing you a favor and then you not being able to express when they did something bad because they did something good for you once. In short, helping people=good, helping people for your image and weaponising it in arguments=bad

[@ohimaia8496]

@@neussd8752 Ah okay I see what you mean, yeah I do agree using the charity as a shield for everything is kinda crappy

[@neussd8752]

@@ohimaia8496 happy to help!

[@hamdadaha2984]

Even if he doing it to better his image,he is still helping people

[@Unhappytimeaper]

Fun fact; there are many people who do charity not just out of the goodness of their heart and do it for the glorification and gratifications from others. It doesn't mean what they are doing is bad, but it doesn't make them good people either and Mr.Beast does a lot of questionably ethical content and treatment of people for his content that I don't think can be saved by just 'he does charity.' And I don't think he's a bad person necessarily, but he is has been a blueprint for many creators and the changes to KZbin just like how back in 2012 the big KZbinrs were and in 2016 they were such as thumbnails and push for content. All of his content feels somewhat out of touch and comments like this make it show how disingenuous he kinda is to everything he has because he does some good while still being a millionaire. Also charity work and donations making a creator 'good' feels like a low bar because most creators I know of have done fundraisers and charity content without it feeling feeling like its done for the gratification of proving they are better but that's just my own take on how people argue for Mr.Beast.

[@rayraymind]

exactly! funding charity does not make you an inherently good individual. in 2022, amazon donated nearly 450 mil to charity, and elon donated nearly 2 billion in stocks, but that doesnt make bezos or musk remotely good people. charity can be a vehicle to DO good, but it doesnt determine the decency of your character

[@HadalStreetlights]

im not enough of a fan of Sean's to be familiar with his charitable works, but he also doesn't constantly drag his charity work around like a security blanket. that said, I'm almost certain that he, Markiplier, and some other KZbinrs have done giant charity events and livestreams throughout their histories, so I'm totally bewildered by Mr.Beast's seeming implication that those events NEVER HAPPENED. have i been gaslit?

[@dirkfernandez827]

@@HadalStreetlightsthey do, p often lmao. sean himself does “thankmas” which raises millions every year since hes started

[@Lucifersfursona]

Fucking thank you people pretend not to understand predatory altruism and egotistical altruism and it’s embarrassing

[@RainyDays2790]

​@@HadalStreetlightsI know Sean does thankmas every year and think that's the only public charity event he's in. Nothing wrong with charity but you guys are right that doesn't mean you're a good or bad person

[@skywxter]

the big red flag to me is his fan base. they’re so upset about chris’s transition and now calling chandler “the last hope” because now another guy on the squad came out as Ace.

[@bjam89]

Huh, so how many queer people is in his squad?

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

i'd rather get mad at them than the dude who has a whole channel dedicated to doing charity work and another channel where he usually just gives money to people

[@shigushigu741]

Seriously. Imagine being pathetic enough to get angry at people's identity or sexuality? They're literally just living their life how they want to? I hope those kids grow out of it

[@paullopez2021]

People forget about the MrBeast2000 era. All those gay jokes and racial jokes. His style of comedy back then was borderline alt-right. So is it really surprising there's still a big chunk of his fanbase who don't like Kris being trans or Karl being ace?

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

@@paullopez2021 kris actually goes by kris now i forgot to correct the main commenter i just realized lol

[@walkerharris2043]

Jack didn’t articulate his point in the best way imo but at the same time he was just making an off-the-cuff remark in a lie detector video, based on a pointed question. Meanwhile MrBeast had the time to prepare a tweet response and then came up with essentially “it’s disrespectful if you dislike me.” Not to mention he didn’t have to respond at all, when basically all Sean said was that he doesn’t like him or his influence on the platform in a snippet of some youtube video that has now reached way more eyeballs because of MrBeast’s response.

[@mammoneymelon]

seriously, if jack had had time to think through what he wanted to say this wouldn't even be a thing. imagine getting so defensive over a quick remark in a lie detector video

[@RyeBread271]

Mr. Beast saw the phrase "white savior complex" and decided to speedrun it

[@AJR355]

Is it even a question that JackSepticEye > MrBeast

[@__dollyep]

IVE NEVER HEARD OF HIM .WHATS HIS CONTENT😭😭😭

[@saspitite]

@@__dollyepyou’re kidding… he’s literally awesome

[@seventysix92]

@@__dollyepLiterally one of the founding fathers of youtube

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

yeah for americans and most europeans and some other places but some people have never heard of them @@seventysix92

[@byeleavemealone]

@@seventysix92hearing that makes me feel so old (Also, always team Jack.🙏)

[@omnipotentfaces1514]

Donating to charity is a MASSIVE tax write off. Most explorative businesses and billionaires do this too, it doesn’t make you a good person or a good company. Mr breast has promoted and encouraged rampant, uncritical consumerism, particularly to young boys and kids. His content makes him millions, charity gives him a tax write off and good public image ( which the rich have been doing for centuries) and his content doesn’t even inspire himself let alone contribute to culture, be it socially, informatively, creatively, inspirationally (other than making money to trash stuff) or within the industry of video content. Other than children I don’t understand why people mindlessly worship his business.

[@laurenangelss]

I agree 100%, great comment.

[@indigosky722]

Not to mention that he could probably write off the money that he "reinvests into his content" (to use his words) because it's a business expense!

[@hanjisnug]

“mr.breast”

[@klarakeuroeaton5737]

Jack is from a generation where people did have more fun making KZbin videos and were less about selling out. Jack has every right to criticize him and have an opinion.

[@hsa9728]

If jack didnt make enough money out of KZbin he wouldn’t have gone this far jimmy is just smart about it and jack is being a hypocrite and salty 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@klarakeuroeaton5737]

@@hsa9728 he didn't say it to cause drama he was asked under a lie detector

[@hsa9728]

@@klarakeuroeaton5737 don’t lie to yourself, he knew what would happen, he’s not stupid. guess he wanted those views after all

[@vxreme]

@@hsa9728the lie detector video isn’t even on his channel, how would he get views from that 💀

[@waewae]

​@@hsa9728jack is rich as fuck at this point. he simply gave his opinion, which is now controversial for some reason.

[@baslewis]

love that literally no one here is saying mr beast is right 💀

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

because people like to use jimmy as a crutch for everything bad that happens instead of understanding that the system is the issue jimmy wouldn't have to do what he does without the system being this way

[@Emu19]

It's only because the ones agreeing with Mr. Beast have chosen to air their grievances within the replies of other comments that do support Sean 😂 Proof has already found it's way into your replies HAHA

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

@@Emu19 ham sandwhich

[@LordOfElysium]

Except that Ye dimond dude arguing under EVERY COMMENT

[@booooo4700]

@@LordOfElysiumong bro😭😭

[@elenaspeaks8817]

I disagree with your initial take on this one. Mr Beast literally helped start the idea of high production youtube which made people think you have to basically have money to produce a game show to be successful on youtube, which immediately is shutting people out of the platform these days. He is a rich gatekeeper on a platform that was originally meant for people of all backgrounds to be able to participate and share their experiences, and whether he meant it or not, he is giving off vibes that you need to be rich to be popular on here. And I'm not against his messages, but yes if you are rich enough to drop $10,000 for people in need, then use it better. Don't use disadvantaged people as bait for your videos. Find a better way to help them. "I can't do anything wrong, I'm helping people". Okay. So then find a better thumbnail that doesn't belittle them like you singlehandedly saved all of the blind peoples' lives or something. He comes off to me as some sort of self-designated hero that no one asked for, sorry. His videos are fun and well-intentioned, and I agree he most likely has good intentions, but he can do wrong and he isn't infallible. He is conceited.

[@Rubyoreo]

True. I've heard recent people say they went 20k into debt trying to start up a youtube channel. Used to be anyone with a computer camera could make it.

[@GLENDALE_ISBACK]

Cry about it

[@baintreachas]

Also, the way he frames shit is concerning given how influential he is- the “curing deaf people” angle, for example 💀

[@liviwaslost]

@@GLENDALE_ISBACKlol you seem to be the one crying about it in a lot of the comments. So sad 😂

[@champagnesiren]

The amount of money he donates to charity vs the amount of money he spends on dumb stuff like a train or a Lamborghini to just... destroy them for views... is disgusting to me. He has so much money and he definitely abuses his popularity. Charity is a tax write-off and a shield for him. He is self serving and very wasteful of resources.

[@3matcha]

let's not forget the incident when people said his squid games video was painfully ironic and his stans kept trying to bully anyone who mentioned it 💀

[@MagicalPuddinPops]

Charity is not a definite solution to suffering. Mr. Beast promotes greed while never challenging the systems that clearly only favor people like himself. He’s going to warp the minds of the kids watching him. THAT is why you shouldn’t like Mr. Beast.

[@SirSoup44]

100% agree, it's better to go and physically help where you can and give directly to places/people. It could be money or just things they need. Even doing a bit of education at the end of a video to do with whatever thing he's trying to help. I really dislike how surface level all of his charity is. I don't believe that he's doing much good.

[@amelietreacy1387]

I completely agree with you, in an ideal world we wouldn’t need charity. But as we do, if you profit off videos that are “for charity” then you’re just a shitty person

[@chaoticneutral699]

I've been looking for a comment like this!! Mr. Beast's videos and charitably are all short-term and short-sighted. With how much he's worth and how he's already shown that he can get (pay for) the best team together, he should be doing some long-term solutions for some type of community and system.

[@amelietreacy1387]

@@chaoticneutral699 totally agree! Also doesn’t it make more sense to do local community work when you have that much wealth, you could do so much good and really connect with the people around you

[@SallyBerry9]

Money given or used for Charity is also commonly used as a tax write-off. So I can’t help but get this horrible feeling that he’s doing this short term bullshit under the guise of helping, and then not paying taxes (because of the write off) that could be used to fund things that help people in the much longer term (schools, medical care, housing, etc)

[@RandomSwiftie13]

Mr whatever's so manipulative. It's actually giving me second hand embarrassment.

[@felixtownn]

YES. I've always had a bad gut feeling about him, as if he's manipulative. Now I got proof XD

[@waddledeep]

I actually do feel that mr beast has kinda ruined youtube and is responsible for most of the clickbait on the site

[@Altruistic_Hall]

Agreed

[@_e8a]

confirmation bias. it was a problem before Mr beast, but he capitalised on it and made it an identifiable aspect of his successful brand

[@sprengar]

oh 100%. although i think jack could've had a stronger case if he had said "engagement" instead of "views." all of the engagement hacks he uses have infected the rest of youtube (baked in captions, hyper-fast editing, etc) and it turns things into sludge

[@mhincredible4598]

@@sprengar yeah, unfortunately mans was strapped to a lie detector and was asked out of the blue for a fun video, I doubt Jack got to say everything he wanted to say nor was he able to go into great detail

[@tortellinifettuccine]

​@_e8a no one says it wasn't a problem before him, he didn't invent click baiting lmao, but he did popularize it, since you know, he's THE biggest youtuber

[@Moosetery]

Saying that JackSepticEye doesn’t really have grounds to talk like this because of the “types of videos he puts out” discredits his ThankMas productions, his other projects with other creators, his coffee company, and much more. This sounds like a very biased video because you are a Mr beast fan and haven’t been a recent jacksepticeye fan (he doesn’t even do the “top of the morning” intro anymore)

[@Moosetery]

Not to mention the other red flags of me beast that you could probably make additional videos about (Jimmy for using homophobic slurs on stream and in his videos, The NY Times investigation, etc)

[@namelesspunkstar6463]

@@Mooseterythank you!!

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

"this seams like a biased video" he literally states at the beginning of the video that it might be biased

[@hattarapilvi]

yeah nick says hes gonna be unbiased despite being a mrbeast fan but then spends the whole video defending jimmy lmao

[@somegeek4086]

yeah I was confused when he said that. Jack raised over 10 million dollars for thankmas, Mr. Beast helps a lot of people and it's admirable, but we shouldn't discredit Jack's achievements either.

[@jazzywazzy8906]

I’m glad that you disclosed that you’re a mr beast fan at the beginning, I would have been very confused as to why you rode for him so hard without the context

[@marciahunt6442]

literally

[@slayingmorin3171]

I mean he is right that KZbin was already goin in the direction of huge videos for spectacle and profit before mr beast even came along but yeah a lot of his other arguments sounded very mr beast sided

[@Gemmedbygi]

be so srs y’all know damn well mr beast’s philanthropy doesn’t help people on the scale he makes it seem like and if you truly wanted to help people you don’t have to shove a camera in their face and monetize off of them. so many ways to help without directly monetizing off of them and getting the money he gave as a gift refunded with a single video..

[@Gemmedbygi]

plus jack still doesn’t profit off of other peoples problems n his platform isn’t made for kids and neither is the games he plays he does what he wants when he wants for enjoyment + dedication for his fan base

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

you do realize he can't donate without making the videos then he wouldn't make a living and he wouldn't have the money to donate you don't know how the world works and that's clear capitalism is solely based on profiting off of others thats the only way you can make enough money to donate an amount that actually matters get mad at the system and not the men using the system for good

[@Deviousbun]

​@@Ye1diamondOfficialyou are responding to every comment. Mr beast is not free from criticism and other people do greater charity he shouldnt be put on some altar. Mr beast has inspired con artists and scams and has yet to crack down on this. He has power of fame he doesnt have to make every vid some click baity charity poverty porn

[@SallyBerry9]

Also, as the daughter of an accountant, the whole philanthropy thing has ‘tax write-off’ vibes plastered all over it. If someone questions why he’s paying little tax or he gets audited he can just point at the videos and go ‘there you go! Charity donations are tax write-offs! And if there’s a cap, well, the money went to my business expenses… another tax write off!’

[@Joyed3650]

Not all of his charity is online or on videos - which on his philanthropy channel are used as fundraisers. He runs a major food pantry distribution in Eastern North Carolina, an extremely poor area with not a lot of infrastructure. He almost never mentions it. Someone shared that he saved a homeless shelter in the area from going under. Someone else mentioned he got a house for a family of 9 to live in after the parents lost their jobs. You would only know that from other people not him.

[@DANI_EXXTACY]

MrBeast saying "i reinvest my profits back into the content!!" like no business has ever done that ever is so funny to me

[@bokehblind]

As a blind person, his curing blind people video gave me such an ick. Not because he helped people, but because it was filmed. It was made into content to profit off of.

[@dandelion_official4812]

And he didn't say too much about the reason why they needed help with their healthcare in the first place. It just seems exploitative to me. I'm sure he made more off that video than the sponsors put in the pot to help these people

[@hannah-ws9de]

I also felt put off by the deaf video considering I study ASL in school (but I am not deaf myself. Merely surrounded) considering his language, lack of expansion into ASL, and in my experience, a lot of his terminology was partially offensive and disliked in the community. Many are so glad to be deaf and do not consider it a hindrance.

[@izzebreezy1554]

True, however we don't really know how much money he spent trying to make these things happen. Though it's weird to post your charitable acts, it's tough to be able to continue to give in the amount he gives without making money. It would make sense to make money off of charity so that you can invest the money into the next charity. The main point is he gains from giving and continues to give what he gains.

[@tophatturtle6452]

@@hannah-ws9deyeah i was gonna say the same thing. also he advertises it as “deaf people hear for the first time” which implies he has cured them and that they are hearing the same way as a hearing person, which is just inaccurate. hearing aids simply amplify hearing that’s already there and cochlear implants replace hearing with an electronic simulation of it (you can look up what it sounds like, it’s very different). acting like he’s curing them is very misleading

[@walkingonneedles]

he also implies in the video that no government would ever do what he did when lots of countries have, namely socialist ones like cuba.

[@mccjae]

My problem with Mr beast is and always has been poverty porn. I grew up in intense poverty and as someone who has and has had family who had to turn down medical procedures, didn't have food, and is still trying the heal from the trauma growing up poor gives you, its gross that we had to exist for homie to make millions and call it 'philanthropy'. Obviously he cannot fix poverty but pretending hes profiting off of it for 'good' is gross and exploitive so no thanks. Keep making super high quality videos and using the money for good, stop acting like exploiting poverty is the only way you can help poverty.

[@sari9645]

Preach! If he actually cared he’d just do all the philanthropy off camera

[@jigsawpiece8690]

​@@sari9645also he wouldn't be rich enough to do all this to begin with lol

[@Joyed3650]

A lot of his charity is not online or in videos. Often those that are for fundraising. Are you mad at St. Jude for sharing the stories of children with cancer ? This is similar. Offline, he runs a major food pantry distribution in Eastern North Carolina, an extremely poor area with not a lot of infrastructure. He almost never mentions it. Someone shared that he saved a homeless shelter in the area from going under. Someone else mentioned he got a house for a family of 9 to live in after the parents lost their jobs. You would only know that from other people not him.

[@mccjae]

@@Joyed3650 like I said, that's great. St judes isn't a 20 something millionaire screaming about how great he is. Why not just pay for ppl to get their eye sight back instead of telling everyone how amazing it is that he did it. It's disingenuous, exploitative and annoying af. Poor ppl don't exist for content. Sick people don't exist for content.mand if you can't tell the difference between a hospital raising money by sharing success stories and a KZbinr who got big off the backs of ppl with less then idk what to tell ya man. Seems pretty straight and forward to me. 🤷‍♀️

[@SS_DT]

I don't love that you're arguing someone making less ambitious content (although it's really just different content) doesn't have the right to call out a bigger player, and I think it discredits Sean as expert on the subject and a true KZbin veteran. Everyone knows the guy. Jimmy's content, whether a cause or symptom, effected a major shift in the landscape of KZbin. Sean was more reasonable and respectful than Jimmy in my opinion given he would not have expressed that opinion in public if he were not in that exact scenario of being directly questioned. I'm just saying it would be true fan behavior to think KZbin is more fun now than it was before that shift or that his content is what the platform was originally intended for. Growth is good! But some people will dislike it, and that's okay. They should be allowed to without reproach.

[@StarRose108]

Honestly if Seán felt super strongly about it, he would've made a bigger deal out of it. But since he only spoke about it in a lie detector test, makes me feel like he has his opinions but he doesn't really care too much about it. I remember when he took a break for a bit because he felt like he was getting caught up in just pushing videos out as quickly as possible that he wasn't proud of the quality of his work, and wanted to step back and re-evaluate what he wanted to do on his channel. Mark has done this as well. But I just really feel like Seán doesn't see it as a huge thing if they basically had to bait him into saying it.

[@taylorjohnson3141]

i agree, it didn’t seem like he really cares at all. he wouldn’t have said anything if they didn’t ask

[@malevolentsnow9867]

Yes, that’s why I hated when the jimmy vs Sean tweet was shown about mentally burning out. Like that’s a horrible argument people burn out faster and Jack has literally taken breaks before lol.

[@Lynislost]

Let’s not forget that jack is literally one of the founding fathers of the biggest genre on KZbin (gaming). I’m not gonna pretend like I’m not defending jack bc I honestly am but that’s bc jack has been on the internet so long and has proved over the years that he is probably one of the nicer KZbinrs on the platform.

[@shorkelili]

he's one of the only youtubers who doesn't have a problematic past 😭 he just cares about his content and his audience, and he has such a genuine heart. the fact that THIS is considered his big drama? insane

[@hashtagmate]

And Sean is honestly a good person that's why he isn't constantly saying "I'm a good person" as opposed to mr beast lol like dude if you constantly have to tell everybody how good of a person you are then maybe you aren't that great lol

[@mammoneymelon]

this is such an odd situation because on one hand, jack didn't explain his position well because the questions was on the spot, so i can see how mr beast could interpret it as insulting (especially coming from a youtube og). on the other hand, the man gave a middle school level petty response when he could've asked for an elaboration and taken valuable advice from his senior

[@memphiskash]

im sorry but if you physically type out the word "Sigh" on a Twitter post, your argument is immediately invalid.

[@gracesblythe]

Right??? Feels like something I’d’ve written in like 2011 at age 15 (If I’d had social media then lol)

[@peachkitt]

“i’m not here to defend any one of them” *proceeds to defend mr beast for the entire video*

[@theovenisfrozen5345]

AGREED

[@kaskaskas]

I think nick is just trying to be neutral lol. not criticizing someone isn't the same as defending them.

[@kaskaskas]

nick straight up said mr beast isn't a good guy because he does good things and that he does profit off of them lmao. I don't think that's defending.

[@azul4904]

i thought we all knew that doing charity doesn’t inherently make you good- and what he does isn’t exactly charity, it’s his business

[@maybemango6028]

The fact that this became an issue despite the fact the Sean didn’t even bring it up on his own and only talked about because of the lie detector test is insane. Like what do you think he’s gonna do? Pass the question? Pretty clear he doesn’t care as much as people are acting like he does 😭

[@Lapagfam]

Exactly he was playing a game, why the fuck would he make an argument to 'justify' his opinion. Like bruh he was just trying to have fun

[@pip4773]

The situation is so silly bc Jack just said a throwaway line and people blew it up for no reason. Bro was just having fun with The Boys. Mr Beast responding like that was just embarrassing 😭

[@krys7643]

And he has the balls to say that "I'm going to be the bigger person" when he made a three paragraph.

[@liluziintrovert]

I love how Mr beast says he makes videos to inspire kids meanwhile his videos are like “today I’m going to crush this sports car” and that’s the whole video

[@kaylieb.1265]

jack: tells the truth during a lie detector. everyone: DISRESPECTFUL

[@kat8559]

I'm sorry but sean is 100% right to have that opinion (even if it's not articulated the best bc he's being put on the spot) and the fact that nick is trying to argue that his opinion is wrong is so embarrassing and delegitimizing for nick.

[@Freya_Blue]

I dont understand how so many people have been conned into accepting competitions as charity work. So now every game show, survival show, or any other monetary-award competition is charity work?

[@AddyOkay]

I don't think anyone thinks that's charity work, it's his actual charity work that they see as it

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

you do realize he has a whole channel dedicated to charity work

[@Zenikai_]

what?

[@notshardain]

@@Ye1diamondOfficial ok? that doesn't nullify everything else, lol. he still makes poverty porn. he still does game shows where poor people do wacky zany activities to earn him money on youtube. he's a smart guy, i'm sure he could figure out a way to do charity without forcing the poors to entertain his audience so they can "earn" medical care.

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

@@notshardain you have no idea how the world works, the only way to make money is to step on other people in this case he's stepping on people and giving them money

[@hyph3nat3d]

Honestly I’m on Sean’s side, I don’t think Mr. Beast was in the right to just go and blame him. It’s not like he made the question lol. And like, why bother indulging in someone’s opinion of you? It feels really insecure.

[@Ye1diamondOfficial]

to be fair if sean called your craft mid you'd care its not like seans some no name, they both had reasons to do what they did and jimmy should've handled it privately if he did the internet would not care jimmy is in the wrong here however technically speaking tommyinnit is in the wrong too for asking a grown mans opinion on another mans craft

[@Zenikai_]

@@Ye1diamondOfficial what? if Sean said my job was mid, I literally wouldn't care. however, if he said what I enjoyed doing was mid. I also wouldn't care. it's the insecurity that makes you care about someone's comment about you. my insecurity is not being good enough. so, if Sean told me that, I'd probably go cry in a hole.

[@kiralonely]

@@Ye1diamondOfficial If Sean called my craft or work mid, I'd be like "damn...okay" and like move on with my life. I don't give a shit what one dude thinks about my work, and I'm literally a Jacksepticeye fan. Like cool, sucks your idol doesn't like your work but like it's not like I'm going to cater my work to him or like bully him into liking it? I don't give a shit. At most it'll make me reevaluate how I do shit a little bit and think about his perspective because that's how basic empathy works, and if I feel there's nothing I can change to be a better person in the work I do atm, I just...go back to what I'm doing. Like they said, caring a bunch about what some random person thinks of you is insecurity. Whether it's your favorite celebrity or KZbinr or actor or whatever. Also people are allowed to ask questions about what you think about other people. It's on Jimmy to be a mature adult and not be insecure about what people think about him. Unless I am actively friends with someone, I generally don't care what people think of me, lol? Like have you never been called ugly by a stranger? Or had people shit on you for no damn reason because they think you're weak or lame? It's like a part of life. Not everyone is going to like you or your work. It's ridiculous to care what everyone thinks. It's just a situation where you go "huh, that sucks" and then you move on because you're a grown up with a shit ton of money and a lot of responsibilities that don't include trying to manipulate your audience and fans into thinking you're the messiah of philanthropy. Jimmy has the platform and the money and the responsibility that comes with his status and influence on people. It's his job to have his shit together and not act like a kid being told someone doesn't like them.

[@anna.owo.]

​@@Zenikai_ well because you wouldn't care doesn't mean others feelings are invalid. My main problem is that jack makes lazy content so how can he call out beast and blane him for ruining the platform when he and his buddies did that long ago?

[@Zenikai_]

@@anna.owo. yea I know. I wasn't saying his feeling are invalid. I was telling the other guy it's insecurity that made Mr. beast respond the way he did. personally, I don't watch either of them anymore. I used to watch jack back in the happy wheel days. and Mr. Beast in the pewds V T-series days. so, my opinion is purely from an outside view.

[@fentina]

Nick acts like jacksepticeye made a 30 minute hate video on why everybody should hate mr beast...instead of answering two questions he was asked during a lie detector test regarding his personal opinion That's not sth where you can analyse and dissect "the argument"...

[@ramenstitches]

If you say you're being the "bigger man", you're not really being the bigger man.

[@missjax97]

My biggest issue with this whole thing is that he was expressing his opinion. He doesn’t like mr beast and gave his reasoning & his reasoning doesn’t need justification it’s just his opinion even if others don’t agree

[@meganbock3819]

Sean just stated his opinion... he was also under a lie detector test and had not been prepared for those questions with arguments and fights to start. He was asked on the spot and gave his honest opinion which is amazing to hear from someone that is considered a legend of KZbin. He doesn't pretend to like people just to fit in or to gain more subscribers. I'm 100% on his side with this one, even though there didn't have to be sides until Jimmy decided to take it personally and begin this whole "Drama" in the first place.

[@zoeelerby2423]

Frankly, I feel like you leaned a little hard toward Mr. Beast, especially in the middle half. A lot of my perception of Mr. Beast is through commentary KZbinrs, specifically FilmCooper's video giving a thorough rundown and history of controversies as well as Jake Doolittle who spoke about why the blind and deaf videos came off as ableist. Mr. Beast has been on KZbin for a long ass time because he wanted to be seen. He wanted attention, views, etc, and that is NOT a bad thing inherently. Every KZbinr wants views thats how it works. But when Sean would upload at his height it was clear that he was doing a lot of it because he loves video games and knows other people wanna see these games so they watch him play them. A lot of people in Let's Player's audiences deadass cannot afford to see wonderful stories that video games can and it helps indie game developers as well (like the guy who made the kids game about dead kids and a serial killer; FNAF. ;)). I don't think Mr. Beast is a bad person but he did make KZbin...different. A lot of KZbinrs like Sean have had to censor themselves aggressively, they can't make the exact content they want to make anymore because that doesn't get the platform views. That's not solely Mr. Beast's fault but he is the biggest KZbinr after the notorious vulgar Let's Player Pewdiepie. The platform did an entire 180 because Jimmy has short punchy loud censored videos for the kids to watch when Parent is busy. I'm not saying Sean doesn't make content for kids but spoiler he doesn't and never has made content for kids. He might have had to fall in line with the algorithm so he could continue the job he loves but he also just came back from a LONG ass break. I feel like Sean and Mr. Beast have their respective audiences but Mr. Beast was very clearly butthurt that a legendary KZbinr (that he used to look up to :'( ) gave his honest opinion during a lie detector test video

[@hayleywho]

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[@axolotlchaos2318]

On top of that, Mr. Beast literally donated to "Next for Autism," which is another anti-autism organization.

[@holdmacat9932]

Yh mr beast has kids audience, and sean i think has now more adult audience as everyone grew up, and now we are all adults who watch him

[@bekcha4170]

Calling Pewds notorious and vulgar is kinda wild 😭 I mean he curses, like most KZbinrs and people overall, but he’s one of the chilliest and most down to earth KZbinrs on the platform. All of the OG three are (Pewds, Mark, Jack)

[@zoeelerby2423]

@bekcha4170 "notorious" = well known. "Vulgar"= he makes sexual jokes and swears a lot. Hes made some jokes in EXTREMELY bad taste. I will say the same about every let's player I've loved. Game Grumps is a big one. Mark has done it. Sean has done it. Me acknowledging their flaws isn't an attack, in fact, their vulgarity is why people fell in love with their content. The lack of censorship and unfiltered joy/rage/sadness is what made the legends legendary because we did get to see some raw emotion (Pewds crying at the Walking Dead, Mark crying at his 8 million music video, Sean crying over The Last Guardian). These guys defined my childhood but that doesn't mean they're absolved from choices they've made. But that also doesn't mean there still can't be love for them as a *current* adult fan.

[@abrasivesoup]

Personally. I one hundred percent agree with Jack. Though I feel that KZbin was becoming more money based way before Mr Beast got popular, Team Ten being a good example. Also, Mr Beast acting like Jack hasn't ALSO done a shit ton of charity work. I remember the fundraisers he would do back in 2015 when I actually watched his content. If Mr Beast really wanted to help everyone, then he would do things like, advocate for government provided healthcare, advocate for affordable housing or PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING SEEING AS HE'S SITTING ON MILLIONS. But things like that don't make him money. They don't boost his image enough. Thus. He doesn't bother. It isn't about helping people. It's about power. Because with company owners like Mr Beast, it's always about power.

[@kendralocke7749]

jack still does the christmas fundraising streams i don't really watch them though 🥹

[@shorkelili]

jack still does the charity xmas stream! and he actually raised over 10 million last year! he cried when he realised. THAT is a man with a genuine and kind heart who wants to use his platform to help people. Mr Beast just does it for power, and I will die on that hill.

[@Kloves818]

Mr Beast has said himself if a thumbnail isnt perfect he will scrap the entire video. Doesn't matter how much he spent or how long it took to film, if the video won't get clicks he won't post it. It's all about traction for him -and thats completely okay if that's what he wants to do. But let's not pretend he hasn't lead this type of content/mentality.

[@GLENDALE_ISBACK]

Who cares cry about it

[@nottoday3561]

There is no way that's true. Hes not going to spend thousands on a production just to try all the footage away because of a thumbnail when he could just... make a different thumbnail.

[@Kloves818]

@@nottoday3561 he literally said it? Now his team has learned to do thumbnails first to avoid wasting their money/time. That way if the thumbnail is bad they don’t bother on that video at all

[@laurenangelss]

@@nottoday3561 It's true that he's easy to scrap a video! IDK about just a thumbnail, but there's lots of examples of him saying this on KZbin. Look up "Videos I Could Not Upload..." by MrBeast, there's a few examples in there, and there's more he's talked about that he didn't react to and just never uploaded that we will never see. Or, look up "How I Stole a KZbin Video from MrBeast" by Ludwig, and skip to 7:11 to hear them talk about it.

[@nottoday3561]

I'm sorry but I don't believe that for a second. I don't care if they said that, its not true. @@Kloves818

[@n0tlauren]

fully agree with jack. all jimmy cares about is jingling keys in kids faces and milking their money and attention span dry

[@marissa8847]

this is genuinely just silly. it’s stupid. it’s not like jimmy and sean sat down and had an actual debate where we as viewers could pick sides. sean said an opinion, as is his right, in a video that seems highly edited and jimmy slammed down on him about it. as jimmy mentions in his tweet, he didn’t even know what sean MEANT. if you don’t know what he meant, jimmy, how about ignoring it or reaching out to sean and be a grownup about it? his argument and shit-stirring was so juvenile. he is not being the bigger person here. that’s my opinion

[@marissa8847]

oh i see that they made up. still very silly drama. it shouldn’t have even been drama in the first place. jimmy should’ve messaged him in the first place instead of lashing out lmao

[@trashpanqa5946]

@@marissa8847 literally. what was even the point of tweeting about it publicly, especially knowing his fans will see it? "I'll be the better man" but the entire tweet sounds like an attempt to bash sean back, which doesn't even make sense because sean's comment seemed completely offhand. in a video, for entertainment purposes, he was asked a question so he answered honestly.

[@turtleyoutubeaccount]

mr beast calling himself “the bigger man” is crazy cause his response is all passive aggressive ego bs

[@mammoneymelon]

if you have to say you're being "the bigger man", you're not. an actually mature reaction is not responding to two sentences of not thought out criticism

[@krys7643]

​@@mammoneymelonFr If I were Mr Beast I would just ignore it and move on. But instead Mr Beast made a three passive aggressive fucking paragraph.

[@devons.3481]

mr beast's response has big "i put a roof over your head so how dare you criticize me!" energy

[@hylvic6707]

Philanthropy from the rich isn't generosity, it's just a different way to make money. The way he uses his good deeds to defend himself and his content from criticism says to me that it doesn't come from a place of kindness.

[@maxsglutes]

"Philanthropy from the rich isn't generosity, it's just a different way to make money" is so well said!

[@StanleyNumber427]

"The English bourgeoisie is charitable out of self-interest; it gives nothing outright, but regards its gifts as a business matter, makes a bargain with the poor, saying: ‘If I spend this much upon benevolent institutions, I thereby purchase the right not to be troubled any further, and you are bound thereby to stay in your dusky holes and not to irritate my tender nerves by exposing your misery. You shall despair as before, but you shall despair unseen, this I require, this I purchase with my subscription of twenty pounds for the infirmary!’" -- Engels

[@soph6539]

Love ya Nick, but gotta stand by my boy on this one. The fact you broke down what Sean said in a 40 second clip that was not even a serious commentary or meant to be some big statement is kinda hilarious 😂 im sure Sean actually has more legitimate reasons for not liking his content but this was a spur of the moment "lie detector" test. It wasnt meant to be anything big.

[@dinopines9191]

Exactly, in my opinion this shouldn’t even be drama in the first place :/

[@soph6539]

@dinopines9191 well tbf Mr.Beast turned it into drama

[@maddilynelove802]

Sean is allowed to have his own opinion on him. Jimmy isn't being the bigger man. he's just making an ass out of himself.

[@primcasiha]

"how can you dislike Mr Beast? he gave out money to people!" Jeff Bezos does charity and I still hate him

[@HesteHoved-ew8iy]

I agree w Sean. Especially when you think of what OG KZbin was, it didn’t need a whole production team. And it’s honestly a little weird to see Mr. Beast “commercialise” KZbin.

[@mammoneymelon]

THIS EXACTLY. when you think back to when youtube was silly skits and people yelling and video games in their room and compare it to now, it's easy to say that content like mr. beast's has contributed to the "corporatization" of youtube. i think nick didn't realize that a lot of us miss when the popular stuff on youtube were cat videos and normal people filming with their iphone 7s and not being afraid to say "fuck"

[@hildegarde7962]

But Jimmy does have a massive mansion and sports cars. Why did he word his response like he didn’t have those things?

[@vlad5042]

i guess he means another mansion and another sports car lololol