HUGE Leveling Changes in the War Within Pre-Patch

[@Ty-oe4dr]

i wish they had a chromie questline that was just a "the story so far" type thing. a questline where you run scenarios detailing the most important events/questlines/instances from each expansion up to now. you could run it on any character at any time. it wouldnt be able to get everything obviously but it would help a lot for new, old and returning players. you could even make scenarios that are mockups of warcraft 1-3 events, or shit from the books. would only take a few hours to complete the entire questline.

[@BlueFireDrakka]

or some kind of Chronicler/Bronze Historian that has a walk and talk scenario where you basically get a guided tour and watch events happen and who major characters are and why you should care about them, like a history Of Thrall or Anduin beginning with their births and ending where they are now kind of thing like if you say Tiffin to a new player some people are like who the fuck is that? put Tiffin in the game Blizz!

[@scientistbird]

Yeah, just casually put in a scenario recalling that time that the entire world fell asleep and had nightmares for days and then walked on stormwind and orgrimmar in one of the biggest apocalypses ever, also this happened just shortly after WotLK. I'm sure people will love seeing that as a sudden scenario retelling of a book.

[@Ruintek]

they would have to make the story so far make sense in order for that to work

[@luiscamacho7559]

This is what i have been saying for years! thank you!

[@redrenegade13]

A few hours of quests to cover 25 years of lore is a pretty big ask, tbh. I don't think that's realistic. Just have chromie time cover 1 single expansion in its entirety now. Put back in the removed critical storylines like the Battle for Undercity and the War of Thorns, also let new player experience the dungeon and raid storylines with follower dungeons and raids.

[@BloodVixen]

It's subtle, but interesting that they chose 71 to end chromie time. I would like to think it's blizzard giving you the option to wrap up what you're doing once you hit 70 instead of having to abandon your entire quest log. Convenient! I approve.

[@Manoomu]

Also a better experience for anyone who doesn’t have TWW yet. Before you’d reach max level and be kicked out of content that’s scaled for you without anywhere to go. Now new players can play through all the old expacs before buying the new one without having to know how to freeze their level.

[@SSquirrel1976]

In DF we had that crafted blue gear that required L61. If there is similar gear at 71 that helps explain it

[@Connor-bp9nu]

chromie time is till 61 now, at least it won't port you until 61. They changed that in an early DF patch after complaints, sometime in 10.1 I think

[@JumpscareRodent]

This is how they reel me in to level alts again.

[@xsvrrx]

Remix did that for me 8 70s in about 2 weeks

[@erinopheim1125]

Level alts with the Pandaria remix, it's way faster and fun

[@masonmcconnell9375]

@@xsvrrx you can get like 5 70s in 10 hours right now lol

[@fuzzypockets]

I‘m excited! Now all we need is a Chromie Time revamp, or maybe make some type of WoW remix the default leveling style for alts

[@TheBlueDsc]

Honestly, I'd be happy if Chromie time just ran to the level cap after you've done it normally once. My biggest holdup with alt levelling is having to do the current expansion over and over and over for it.

[@______-nh7ib]

Some weeks ago I heard an idea of making a "campaing story mode", it would be a new chromie thing that guides your for all expansion, and in it you would do some of the most important raids, it would be awesome for new people who want to enter the game, and they dont know anithyng about wow or haven far for wow

[@kholio4377]

1,000,000,000% It is the cleanest smartest most immersive unique story lore experience they could do. Various people have mentioned this over the last 6yrs and STILL hasn’t occurred to the devs that it makes more sense for new players than Chromie time Xpac option. Not to mention there exists an option to follow a HERO through time. You could level experiencing Thralls life. Or Jaina or whatever.

[@edaumaysol]

Dragonflight as the default leveling experience is actually a good idea imo. It doesn't have the "HERO, YOU SAVED US COUNTLESS TIMES" vibe like BFA does that makes new players extremely confused. I hope they continue to basically make all previous expansions obsolete and only accessible if you want to, and STOP referencing things that happened with the player character before a certain time (I guess in this case Dragonflight)

[@ConeyIslandKing]

Im a new player but never did BFA lol. I always level in legion and then go dragonflight

[@Myst9066]

That’s not fun for long time players though. To have characters “forget” what you’ve done in previous expansions ruin the lore for the rest of us. I get what you’re saying but new players already know how long the game has been out. We’re 9 xpacs in on a continuous story. I agree there should be something for new players. May something to do a fun lore dump to get caught up on everything going on.

[@heathmcrigsby]

It's gonna hurt having to manually switch flying styles. Having dragonflight and normal mounts immediately accessible is really handy.

[@LordMuzhy]

For me it’s a no brainer I’m just going to keep traditional flying. I’m not a big fan of dragon flying

[@heathmcrigsby]

@@LordMuzhy Dragonriding is a lot better for hauling ass across the zone. But normal flying is best for doing small quest areas.

[@arstulex]

@@LordMuzhy The problem you'll have is that the new zones are going to be sized with 'Skyriding' speed in mind so traditional flying is going to be incredibly slow, even with its pre-patch speed buff.

[@arstulex]

@@heathmcrigsby For Druid especially. Being able to hover over quest objectives in flight form and interact with them without aggoing mob packs is a huge game changer.

[@LordMuzhy]

@@arstulex I played WoW during the classic era when you had no mount until lvl 40 and you had to just walk everywhere, I think I’ll be alright lol

[@griggins]

The best thing I saw here is the "Space Ghosts by the Coast" quest name. Makes me wanna watch Space Ghost real bad.

[@RBen23]

Please make it so I can set certain mounts to dynamic, and others to classic flying.

[@christopherludwig5886]

Boosting. Yes please!!!

[@싸넬동지-7성담배]

Gonna be awful if you have to land on a specific spot and have to cast 5sec every time to switch flying mode

[@Solo_Traveling]

Nice! Although I do think that switching between TBC flight and dragonriding (whatever it's called) should be instant cast.

[@LordSadCat]

It's because of WPvP. They don't want people to easily hover and fly faster in a snap of a finger.

[@askinnakklevaar98]

@@LordSadCatmake it have a cast time when you toggle war mode although idk how complex that is for a dev haha

[@Kytrion]

@@askinnakklevaar98 It should not be hard but in some specific situations there might be some bugs

[@OrbObserver]

Nope, choices need to have consequences. They want people playing the game, not metagaming flipping back and forth willy nilly.

[@Kytrion]

@@OrbObserver Why making it 1 second cast outside of Warmode is bad for the game ?

[@MrGM]

What do you think of the leveling changes coming in the War Within Pre-Patch? twitch.tv/MrGM

[@weescamp]

It feels that each expansion they try and funnel players to the endgame faster and faster than ever.

[@R.Jasper]

I'm lowkey mega excited about the reg flying on dracthyr. Being able to just hover with the wings is such a nice change.. plus, flying at lightspeed as a tiny druid in owl form sounds fantastic.

[@kalsizzle]

Good even though leveling in retail is extremely fast it still feels like a pointless chore and classes don't feel fun until you're 60-70 with the full toolkit of spells.

[@markibear8251]

it didnt get mentioned in the video. are evoker still going to be 1 per realm?

[@Kytrion]

on 99% not

[@UlrikeLucassen]

waht about secondary professions? like fishing? Will my warbands alts still have to fish to have the max skill?

[@harryperdomo5998]

I love dragon isles but I restarted playing in season 3. I am very happy that it will become 10-70 so I can level up alts there and experience it again, hopefully doing the story quests in order this time.

[@Southboundpachyderm]

They missed their chance to call 420 speed flying “blazing high”

[@TheGoldenAngel82]

Still waiting for Dash to get renamed to zoomies xD one can hope

[@daku5623]

such a blizzard move to make switching the flight modes a pain in the ass just make it instant cast and be able to do it while mounted.

[@kingd1486]

Won’t need to swap if you just fly instead of making everything an issue

[@daku5623]

@@kingd1486 and lose on like 300% flying speed? 0 logic

[@Scoqupt]

“Oh noo so hard to click, my small hands can’t do thattt 👉👈>_< ” ahh reaction 🤠

[@BundyBro_]

Can you use the warband bank for gold to use the AH or vendors to buy stuff? Or do I have to go withdraw first?

[@TekLWar]

You had me at "You don't have to do your last 10 levels in dragonflight anymore." I don't hate the content- but god damn if I'm not bored after having to do the exact same 4 zones, on EVERY alt.

[@Felsparx]

Yeah, I leveled up 35 characters through DF. Safe to say I'm pretty over it.

[@Linna17]

When this come live guys? I'm pretty interested in leveling but it's very slow

[@bubbleaddict]

What is that yards per sec speedometer you get when flying, is that an addon or part of the expansion?

[@1ViivviiX1]

I use an addon called "Monkey Speed" I believe that shows a percentage of movement speed as moveable little bar. I recommend it if something like that sounds useful.

[@lukethiel]

What day is prepatch?

[@imaginihs]

Regarding Skyriding, do you automatically have Whirling Surge and stuff for fresh accounts? Most people unlocked all the skills by doing the campaign but for fresh accounts that leveled up through dungeons you don't actually get all the abilities (and Nokhud/Tindral require a friend to carry you lol). Just not sure if those are going to automatically unlock or what

[@scottsawyer4032]

Darn I lost my ability to switch to druid flight form mid air when I ran out of vigor lol

[@tekamer6566]

Just keep some vigor for switch

[@scottsawyer4032]

@tekamer6566 no like right now I can be speeding along run out of vigor and then midair dismount. Once I start falling switch. To flight form and keep going seamlessly. Was hoping they'd find a way to maintain that lol

[@Get.Ganked]

​@@scottsawyer4032Haha u are cool dude friend let hang out sometime

[@scramman]

I'm interested in the pre-patch but have never done it before. What are the requirements for this event pls?

[@Sheriff_K]

If DF is the default 10-70, why can you ALSO do it with Chromie time? What’s the difference? 🤨

[@CyclopsWasRight616]

idk if anyone has the answer to this, but when the pre-patch hits, will we be able to move all our bronze to one remix character ?

[@drillmansi22]

How does the warband achievement work? if i got an achievement on one character will it on my all characters?

[@omedon666]

I wouldn't be surprised if the change for chromie time going to 71 is so heirlooms can click over to the new gear paradigm in the future where heirlooms go to 79.

[@dumbidiot4793]

Heirlooms go to 79 and the new cap will be 80? ....heirlooms were tolerable back in the day but what even is the point of this? How is it fun to use the same equipment for 79 lvls lol

[@mrfrupo]

dracthyr going to level 10 probably means that there will no longer be a limit on how many you can make. Right now it is 1 per server.

[@CEOdawg]

Let's hope. DKs and Demon Hunters are still one per server with the start at level 10.

[@ramistotle]

Not related to the video @MrGM but, when i middle click your username on KZbin, it opens a page with 404 error, this only happens with your channel for some reason lol

[@blahblahgdp]

Is chromie time like you experiencing the lore in an abridged version to level up? Idk anything about WoW since i mainly played wc3

[@davidflint6917]

does the warbank (tm) work cross realm? and have Goblins got a new perk since everyone has access to the bank anywhere now?

[@redrenegade13]

No change to goblin racial. Warbank is not the personal bank. It's a separate feature.

[@atrumael2142]

will we be able to make more than one dracthyr per server ?

[@miamoehre]

I like that flying speed gets faster even for the regular flight style. Personally, I dislike dynamic flying. It's fun once, but doing it all the time is too much work and gets me motion sickness.

[@CadenAdam]

Khaz'Algar has the zones locked to skyriding (formerly dragonflying) regular flying seems to be locked behind some sort of pathfinder. This is currently on the beta.

[@RT42-v6z]

What about bags in the warband bank?

[@nana661]

I wish option with chromie that you can go and scale selected expansion to your character. I wish to do Loremaster on max level character playing new expansion and for relax "switch" timeline and do ex. TBC or dreanor not insta killing enemies. I know there could be an issue with some group quests (as it may require a bit of rework). Just scaling open zopnes to your character level as a Chromie toggle with her could bring much more fun :)

[@Vidious808]

As a level 60 returning player do i instantly unlock dragon riding when i log in or do i have to still unlock it?

[@gabeq01]

Yes

[@mafiakiller987]

Sorry if i didnt hear it or miss it this is live now ?

[@albertmassingo4249]

I keep going backwards for me. My favorite part of this game is always been leveling. And every expansion it gets faster and faster to level. We have level boost, we don't need faster leveling.

[@camdenshirey5918]

Level boost is 60$.. and who the heck enjoys leveling it’s always been the least favorite part of wow for the vast majority of players

[@Dimekaw]

are they gonna squish the dmg numbers ? its kinda strange doing 4mil dps

[@Dragonking1984]

The only thing that sucks about this is the timing as it means the pre patch & perhaps the expansion launch itself is likely to happen while MOP remix is still ongoing.

[@Aikouyami]

Mop Remix ends on the 19th of August a week before the expansion launches. We will have Mop remix for the pre-patch though

[@TheHateHarbinger]

This is looking to be the most alt friendly expansion yet. Shared renown and rep is huge.

[@rockurox]

the scouting maps have never worked for me, any tips? i get an error message "Not ready yet"

[@kholio4377]

Ticket blizzard in game. Mine have always worked 100%

[@t.branson9150]

Wonder if warband bank will work cross-faction and/or cross realms. Would finally help getting gold over to new toons.

[@MrGM]

It does

[@mazz85-]

Zeppelins are what could interest me over dragons. They could be the player housing, just park it anywhere. Customization must be a thing, and it could hold your achievements like a trophy case. There could also be 1v1 arena inside and other minigames. How about a game of chess, Warcraft details, as minigames.

[@Zemilia22]

I wish they would apply the lvling/xp adjustments whenever they have them fully designed instead of waiting for prepatchs, reducing the xp with the war within is cool and all but it makes lvling alts NOW feel like a waste of my time if in a months time I could accomplish it in under half the time. Which is effectively what is being done, you say its about the same speed it would be now but that's not true, it would be comparable to the 1-60 right now which is only like a half of the lvling time currently. Even on a hyper optimized lvling route right now its about 3-4 hours for 1-60 and then another 2-3 hours for 60-70 assuming you have average luck with dream surges, Cutting the 60-70 xp needed by that much effectively takes like 3+ hours off your lvling time doing an optimized lvling route and even more if your just casually lvling.

[@davidafonso3201]

You need skyriding in dragon islands to do the quests, one in particular so makes sence you have acsses to it.

[@viniqo]

They need to add Heroic/Mythic leveling mode which makes mobs tougher... You get rewards when you reach max lvl or something

[@simondemoulin5815]

I'm wondering, does the addition of "Battle for Azeroth" and "Shadowlands" to Chromie mean that Timewalking events will appear too ?

[@siddhianishkala4543]

Most likely.

[@Tyranno-Bore-Us]

Does this mean that you can do the dungeon related quests through follower dungeons mode to level? 🤔

[@pherocks2634]

Ye good question as it unlocks at a certain leven right ?

[@XCVIII]

So as soon as prepatch hits I can do legacy raids and get all the Transmog? Or is that only on full release?

[@redfinale]

yes. prepatch changes the game to 11.X, meaning all the TWW changes that come to the entirety of the game (such as skyriding to all flying mounts and the warband system) and don't specifically require the xpac become live.

[@redrenegade13]

That is a pre-patch change. Go wild on the mog farm!

[@KrikitKaos]

Losing my ability on my druid to flip into static flying flight form in mid-air in a split second is gonna be very painful.

[@ksmoorthy87]

Is mage tower dead in the pre patch ?

[@jordanrockett8877]

I have 1 issue.... considering Remix.. Pandara.. how/why are Pandaria reps not Warbanded in the prepatch? seems daft, personally.

[@keithb6344]

Because converting the reps is going to take work and they said they were going to work backwards.

[@Thandar324]

Looking forward to this

[@manemperorofmankind8119]

I wish they’d make it easier to freeze your levels, I don’t wanna over level out of certain zones if I’m exploring older content

[@skeezixcodejedi]

Any word on how the new quest log works? like, if you're quest 3 out of 10 chain on one toon, and then log in with an alt, can you just pick up? ie: the done quests will be grey, so you know they're done on another toon but not the current one so you can redo them, but how will you know what quests you're on as a player, and where in a chain? ie: is it one shared quest log (would be awesome), or more likely each toon has their own questlog like today, just that quests completion is shared. So is there no way for one toon to know where to go picking up a quest chain in the middle? ie: I'd like to be able to just log in and quest with whichever toon I like, and just keep going .. not have to figure out which uests to pick up at. Or does this even work?

[@Kytrion]

I want to know the answer to this question too

[@CarpeDonnelly]

The best use of in-game-time until TWW is speed running every class to 70 in Mists Remix.

[@aaronwylie6928]

i already have more 70s than I even want

[@slugfest513]

Ye already did that for both factions

[@sakaraist]

knocked out 30 alts lol

[@SideQuestAbroad]

Sheesh I need get on board lol

[@astral_Y_T]

@@sakaraist Damn dude! I did 1 of every class and thought I smashed it. 30 is crazy haha!

[@Bothersomeoneelse]

Make some extra characters in MOP Remix of classes you want and run a normal raid a day on as many as you'd like. I plan to have a high cape and see if I can go from 30 to 70 on them using the "don't pick up bonus xp" trick. I enjoy playing as different races now because of how easy MOP Remix has been. If they lower it more in pre patch, maybe I'll make something besides blood elves and void elves.

[@csabatoth8960]

Im very sad Zaralek and Emerald dream doesnt scale at all. 6 zones for 60 levels are way better than 4 only. Also you could complete the whole dragonflight campaign.

[@Arkades9]

Sounds like alot of good changes; I'm still on the fence but maybe I'll give the exp a shot in Sept.

[@xsaviour5910]

Whens the prepatch?

[@siddhianishkala4543]

July

[@ravnos04]

You know, I’m a casual WoW player now and have been for a decade since starting a family. I wish Blizzard would allow me to “rebirth” my character. I usually main a Prot Pally, but would like to try the Ret changes coming. It would be easier for me learn the class re-leveling the character rather than creating another one and deleting when I cap. One of the better things I liked playing Diablo 3 was the ability to do that for a seasonal character and try the new things in that season. Let me keep my gear and gold, put it in the bank then give it back when I cap. Similar to the level boost inventory items you get.

[@dmike3507]

This all sounds good. Kinda makes me want to play again.

[@molten_software]

Can Jeeves access the warband bank?

[@philx10]

I would also like to know this

[@sheldor40]

Nice video but I don't think I need to level anymore in pre patch 😂 ik have made 12 level 70's in remix and that puts up a total of 42 70's so yeah I think I'm set😬

[@Dhalin]

So, dragonriding automatically applies to ALL mounts now? Currently, playing MoP Remix, I was enjoying the ability to choose between steady and dragonriding just by which mount I call out. I don't think I enjoy the idea of having to cast a spell to keep switching every time I want to change my flight style, that sounds like annoying tedium. The rest of the stuff is awesome, though. I have *A TON* of alts I never touched during Dragonflight, because of just how sloggy the leveling system felt, and the fact reputations were still not account-wide. Now that they are, I wouldn't mind working on said alts again.

[@Kmaitland89]

The reduction in XP is the same thing they always do. They do this XP change every expansion to keep the length of leveling the same.

[@ZachariahSloan]

Good Content

[@Dufacts17]

Can you play the pre-patch without buying the War Within expansion?

[@marekrolinec2079]

It will be in the old zones so yes

[@joshputzke5400]

i still haven't heard the change where you play more than ONE dracthyr

[@MrGM]

You can have as many Dracthyr as you like

[@joshputzke5400]

@@MrGM is that a real the war within update

[@wildwix152]

will they merge realms? in tww

[@Sheriff_K]

I guess I won’t need to grind for Jeeves on my new main anymore.. 😅

[@yanomamo89]

Is having a bank alt still a good idea?

[@nitrium6599]

Id imagine having an alt posted at the AH could help?

[@yanomamo89]

@@nitrium6599 Cool. Thanks.

[@FumaPetardos-vb7qb]

Maybe this is a hot take but i would love that they rise the level of older zone to 60-50 to not oneshot things in some old mission like on wotlk

[@imthrillz5255]

Doing a dungeon with NPCs has already been a feature in the game for years

[@jamesspinner7764]

steady flying at lvl 20 gives me hope cause I HATE dragonflying

[@steveblease]

Levelling Levelling and more Levelling, no journey, just Levelling.

[@EduardoTyrannyth]

Just feels like Blizz are trying to make the new patch features looks like a revolution in the game as the things they're putting into the game was things we're asking for years. It's nice thought, but man... this game has more than 20 years. Took all this time to make the characters share some progress? 😅😅😅😅 I hope the storytelling is rewarding, and that there are fewer daily mechanics that turn the game into a job again.

[@alexanderthegreat7721]

NOOOO!!! My favorite part of making a new character is using the scouting maps and spamming achievements in the chat 😭

[@daylost3192]

Okay so my level 10 dracthyr from timerunning isn't gonna be special lol

[@matteoclementi]

I know I know, it's not their focus and I am not pretending that it does need to be BUT you don't know how much this expansion benefits the f2p community.

[@Arquias]

Nice!!

[@koligan1234]

Please give Demon Hunters permanent wings and flying aswell aswell!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@itsforby]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[@furkeys114]

please give them self b-res! once they die they get a option called "Go to Twisting Nether", they kill a demon and if they succeed they come back to life like it's a brez

[@JeyDB]

I don't think MrGM has the power to do that

[@josh29221]

Their wings are vestigial, which is why they can only glide. Soooo nah.

[@koligan1234]

@@josh29221 Illidan can fly, so why not DH?

[@BoboTheBarbarian]

Doesn't mean all that much for me, leveled every class to max in DF. Disappointed that I didn't get an account achievement for it. :/

[@nickd5117]

I don’t like that we’ve reach level 80 again and millions of health Stat squish 2.0 incoming ?

[@Lyghfe]

*3.0 First stat squish was in 6.0.2 and the second one in 9.0.1

[@NLnaga]

i think the extra xp achievement is a cool idea but i hope u can turn it off. cuz imagine u leveling with ur friend and u just casually level 25% faster

[@DevForward]

I really want to be able to just........play leveling at a nice pace... I guess ill still stick with classic, to enjoy completion etc. Everything about retail wants us to rush to end game, and I dont care about the end, I want the journey back. #FreshClassic ftw

[@NoTruth_42069xdgodxqtjaja]

should of been retroactive. that xp bonus thing. had like 8 level 120s. cmon man.

[@ggravenngg9885]

I Never understood why do blizz speeding up leveling..leveling is still super fun tbh, i dont like getting levels after killing 10 mobs and no, i dont want to play Classic i just want to play retail, want appriciate character that i leveld up

[@Jackedpure]

Really wish they'd nerf the amount of exp you get while leveling, it doesn't even feel like a rpg anymore, they may as well just hand out boosts to everyone. They are way too focused on getting players to endgame when alot of people enjoy the journey and levels actually making a difference. But with scaling the way it is it doesnt make much of a difference anyhow. They really need to look into the whole scaling situation at some point

[@chaoshunting5659]

Yo can we get some death knight lore or some more flavor. Hero class has been forgotten lol .

[@gleadr6869]

Really wish they'd change the Toy C/Ds. So annoying, they are toys why a sled needs a c/d makes no sense for example. Who care how often someone uses the vast majority of them. Its for fun

[@killerbam1234]

good changes

[@WhyteTyger8]

It's super minor, but someone did point out that Earthen get a bonus to exploration experience earned, so they might lose out if you use the heirloom maps on those characters once they are unlocked.

[@Paulrover-kg6ut]

Well that kills that idea, I want nothing to do with this dragonflight crap again.

[@lennoxraynewood2741]

I like being able to use regular flying mounts alongside dragon flying ones it’s easier to get around when you run out of vigor and have to sit around waiting for it to fill up again which can be around 3 mins wasted or when just flying around back and forth to complete quests in a small area back and forth from the quest giver. Having to toggle back and forth is going to be a pain I think.

[@chuff008]

[@mrfrupo]

Who would even use a flight path at this point? Flying at level 10 lol