Budget LS Swap 5.3 700R4 TV Cable & VATS Bypass Update

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yes it still runs! all 5.3 truck stuff aside from ebay headers. modified truck oil pan and intake. its tight but it fits. they told me it wouldn't fit but i'm very persistent at not listening to negativity lol. new longer TPI camaro / firebird 700r4 cable from RockAuto
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[@vettster89]

Great job! What do you do with the stock ecu, car wiring, etc? Is there 2 ecu’s now or did you rip out all the stock wires and put the donor vehicle wires and ecu in there? I’m considering doing that to my ‘95 Trans Am but the wires scare me.

[@613Builds]

Mine is a 1983 it was originally carbureted so it never really had a ECU. I kept the old harness in there because it’s only a few simple wires back then . I actually use part of the old harness to power the new engine harness

[@andrewagape9244]

That thing sounds nice 😮😁

[@613Builds]

thanks its open headers right now lol. i might put some lake pipes under the doors :D

[@fet4784]

Tenacity, baby! Great job! 👍

[@613Builds]

Thanks! she's coming along... i think lol

[@jonulibarri3816]

Hey John just installed 700r4 in my 6.o lq4.was wondering if u have any problems with Dt cable. Or it shifting.

[@613Builds]

jon ulibarri yep I’m driving it . Shifting good when I have mine adjusted as tight as possible and I added a little spring on the end of the cable for a little extra line tension

[@GMLSX]

I guess the reason why it is quieting down is b/c it is idling higher with richer fuel/air mixture at start up to get the catalyst faster to operating temperatures. And yes, I know they are missing. I hope those BMW wheels as fastened with lug nuts that have separte cones? 0.65mm bigger pattern may not sound much but just to be sure those rims don't crack at the hub.

[@613Builds]

they are missing? what is "they"? sorry if i lost track. i had a leak at my duct tape MAF sensor coupler but i recently fixed it with a proper coupler. i just ordered a fuel pressure test kit today also. you're right 120mm is 0.65 mm different. now imagine 1mm. now imagine 0.6 mm. now split 0.6mm into a 5 lugs, or 4 directions, or into a pie. the difference 0.6mm total, but split accross the diameter it's only 0.3mm . 0.3mm is only slightly thicker than a human hair. but you're right, the pattern is 120mm vs 120.65mm. the bmw always used a metric measurement whereas the camaros always had a SAE american standard unit of measurement. i had 18" bmw wheels my 95 firebird also and i pushed her hard, put on lots of miles, and did burnouts with no issue.

[@GMLSX]

@@613Builds catalytic converters are missing. Good too hear about the wheels holding up. Manufaturing tollerances for this stuff are usually 0.2mm. I guess the pressed in studs are wiggling a bit anyway.

[@613Builds]

@@GMLSX yes i may need to have my absent downstream o2 sensors deleted by a tuner. im running upstream sensors only (pre cat) i dont plan on adding cat converters but who im very undecided on the exhaust at the moment

[@dedricbullock5567]

Sounds good and I am doing your VAT delete today. I have a 2002 yukon denali Im so glad. What headers did you go with?

[@613Builds]

awesome im using 2002 harness and CPU for the cable type throttle : ) . i used two cheap sets of ebay stainless headers, picked the best two fitting ones, and im selling the other two that i didnt use. i discuss the headers in previous build videos

[@MRRANDOM1]

Great Video MrJohn I see you putting that work in keep up the grind great video 5.3 sounds good!

[@613Builds]

thanks man, appreiated

[@MRRANDOM1]

Thank you!

[@CarlosGonzalez-qz8iy]

Hello why did you use the 700r4 transmisión better than the 4l60 which work better

[@613Builds]

personal preference. i like the 700r4, and this type of car originally came with 700r4 so it plugs right in. ive never had problems with my previous 700r4's but i have had problems with 4L60's before. 4L60 is known to be weak but i have always liked the old 700r4 because it fits, its simple, and it has overdrive. ive pushed these cars hard and no problems with the 700r4. mostly just personal preference. if you are pushing over 400-500 hp then i would switch to the 4L80e heavy duty overdrive (electronic)

[@NotAGarage]

Did you use the adapter for early 4l60e and 700r4 to get the flywheel to bolt up? What all issues did you come into with the 700r4? EDIT: other any the kickdown cable

[@613Builds]

Yes I used a spacer adapter. I show everything in my previous and newer videos check it out KZbin.com/MrJohn613 😎

[@trentdawg2832]

Did u have to use adapters to run those BMW rims......they actually look good on there....u just need to black out the center caps and put sum chevy bowties or Pontiac Aarowheads on them!!!

[@613Builds]

im only using wheel spacers this time. last time when i used 18" bmw wheels on my 95 direbird i only used hub rings because the 4th gen is wider so in that case spacers aren't req'd. i might have some pontiac centers which may fit...

[@tjavione9307]

I know this is an old vid, but what did u use for a throttle cable? I have a 5.3 as well in my 89 iroc, and I’m running the truck intake as well

[@613Builds]

I’m using the TPI fbody throttle cable. It’s the longest factory cable because TPI and LS both have the throttle body way up front .

[@tjavione9307]

@@613Builds were there any modifications u had to make? Cuz my 89 iroc had the 5.7 idk if it was tpi or not I never touched the old motor

[@613Builds]

@@tjavione9307 TPI has the throttle body at the front by the rad, same as LS engines. TBI and carb may have a shorter cable which may not reach the LS throttle body. I made my own throttle cable bracket from a stock one so no major modifications required. Optional/ side note: I took up some slack at the pedal end but you likely won’t need to

[@Gorillahousesteve]

Quick question. If I have a 6.0 that I plan on keeping fuel injected in front of a th400 do i have to get a special wire harness for it to drive? I plan on swapping out for a 4l80 later on down the road and don’t wanna have to buy 2 wire harnesses

[@613Builds]

you can use a factory truck harness with electronic transmission plug ins. im also using a factory truck harness. see my recent 120 km cruise video. im using an older automatic transmission 700r4 , i removed the electronic transmission part of the harness but you can keep that if youre gonna use it

[@Gorillahousesteve]

MrJohn613 thanks for the fast response

[@613Builds]

no problem , thanks for interacting

[@almostoemgarage8143]

what throttle cable is that? my original 305 was a TBI and it doesn't reach :(

[@brianfurbush8714]

How did you delete the vats out of the PCM I looked through your profile can't find the video

[@613Builds]

If you search “MrJohn613 vats” they all show up. The bypass video is the #1 video on my most popular playlist. I have 3 of those videos actually, the first time I bypassed it m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fZOXgaKGrqumpqs using my PCU in a running vehicle. The second time I did the same thing with 3 computers I had lying around. But the 3rd time I did was the CPu flash (vats delete ) which is a permanent solution via PCM tuning or flash programming m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4qqgKKkqdRga9U .

[@CarlosGonzalez-qz8iy]

I am putting a ls 5.3 and i am not sure what transmisión to use if recommend i want to put turbo the car i want to use it for the street

[@613Builds]

Carlos Gonzalez turbo applications would likely go for a strong manual shift like the t56 or a strong automatic like a th400 or 4L80e

[@theactoroflove1221]

Do you have a part number for rock auto and part number for headers that you used please thats where I'm stuck at now

[@613Builds]

I’m using eBay headers. Drivers side is the s-10 LS header and passenger side is the 2014 camaro & nova header . I show them in my older and newer videos

[@workingmansrestorations7071]

Those cables are very picky... if not adjusted right, it will burn up in a block

[@workingmansrestorations7071]

I commented before you were done, that looks good

[@613Builds]

@@workingmansrestorations7071 thanks man :) i used all the factory 80's bracket and throw lever / arm. should be good. i had done a very similar swap in my 87 firebird previously but with a 95 LT1 and it seemed to work great. i have faith in the kickdown cable geometry but i've never tried this transmission before so i hope its ok

[@jaypereira6903]

How is the kick down cable set up holding up?

[@613Builds]

I’m still running the same setup. I had the transmission rebuilt with a shift kit and corvette servo but I’m still running the same kickdown setup. She’s parked for Canadian winter currently

[@ericsellers9506]

I've been having a hell of a time with my tv cable. How many transmissions have you burnt out.?

[@613Builds]

I’m still on the same used junkyard 700r4 and I’ve been driving it already this year, I think this is my 3rd year driving it. I had it rebuilt once with a shift kit but I recently learned that you can now buy an aftermarket tv cable adapter kit to fit the LS engines. Might be the best way to go if you don’t want to build your own cable bracket with hood geometry and proper throw. 🤷🏽‍♂️ I noticed my buddy had one on his car and he said he got it from a transmission company I believe. Personally I made my own setup but it’s not very common to use the 700r4 behind the LS based engines

[@ericsellers9506]

@@613Builds yeah I made my own but cant seem to get the adjustment right. I've drove mine a few times but I'm babying it until I get someone to look at it for me. Trip to belleville or ptbo I suppose...

[@ericsellers9506]

@@613Builds I have you in messenger. I have that yellow 87 camaro

[@613Builds]

@@ericsellers9506 my friend said he got his cable bracket and kit from BowtieOverdrives. I might even look into getting the same setup for mine, although I have been driving it for 3 years this way

[@motorola12slvr]

What kind of gas pump are you using ??

[@613Builds]

its a junkyard in-line Bosche 044 pump from a 1989 F150. the 87-89 Ford trucks have a hi pressure inline pump in the frame rails. i will be replacing this pump soon with perhaps a new in-line hi-pressure pump because its old and weak now, it gets warm and needs to be replaced soon

[@williamzoom]

Congrats, now finish it so the dog can go for a ride :)

[@613Builds]

Will do ! Thanks :D

[@MrMovieMaker2542]

what starter did you use factory ? old or new ls?

[@613Builds]

2005 5.3 truck starter . Same to fit the engine

[@camodigital2]

JESUS you have some amazing skills ✝️

[@613Builds]

thanks bro

[@michaeldose2041]

Kick Down cable!!!??? LOL If you go to all the trouble to swap out a motor I'm not sure why you would not want to upgrade that old 700R4 to a computer controlled 4l60e. They are cheap to build and easy to find, it's a bolt in plug and play for your setup.

[@613Builds]

Michael Dose ya except I removed all the electronic transmission wires from the harness completely 🤦🏽‍♂️ if I could do it again I probly would have kept the 4LE plug and wires incase I wanted to go electronic in the future. I guess I could still do that but I’d have to swap the harness and my original speedometer on the dash is cable driven 1983 . I would enjoy a stronger manual transmission like a NV3500 or t56 or something but that’s a lot of changes which I don’t feel like doing right now. The 700r4 is working good for now. That’s what they came with originally in the 3rd gen was the 700r4 overdrive transmission

[@michaeldose2041]

​@@613Builds Yes, it came with a R4, which was plagued with problems. One of which was the TV cable. I get that having a bunch of "extra" wires is unsightly, and as you pointed out it becomes a whole new job to restore a butchered wiring harness. Definitely, not an easy redo. Just taking it off another donor vehicle is not easy. Live and learn. When I do an upgrade I like to take advantage of as much engineering as I can. GM spent millions to develop and improve the drive train that you only half adopted. The axle is pretty much unchanged but there were many refinements in the engine and trans. Yes it does lead to other problems like the speedo cable. I haven't personally dealt with that one but I am willing to bet there is an upgrade. I am currently working on a 57 Jeep and getting rid of the cable speedo is great because when you change gears and tires the speedo pretty much becomes useless. I can get a factory fuel injection, factory controller for a fraction of what an aftermarket F.I. system would cost for my old sbc which currently occupies the engine bay. So having a programmable speedo will be a great upgrade.

[@thestevestandardanthinggoe4170]

Please install that other alt bolt close to the throttle body

[@613Builds]

you're right ! i still need to put a second bolt in there. good observation. :) im going to be wiring it up soon, or a cleaner one of the same OOBS type, so i'll definately put the second botl in by then. the OOBS type requires a smaller bolt so i just have to find the bolt lol. but hey "anything goes" lol. Thanks for interacting ! i appreciate the input and the comments

[@thestevestandardanthinggoe4170]

@@613Builds nice man great job so far

[@thestevestandardanthinggoe4170]

@@613Builds i would measure and try your local hardware store

[@613Builds]

@@thestevestandardanthinggoe4170 thanks

[@613Builds]

@@thestevestandardanthinggoe4170 i have both original bolts but this older style alt i had to use for hood clearance requires 1 which is a smaller size. i likely have the bolt or another metric compatible here. i usually get a couple hrs per day to work on it depending on agenda and weather. mostly cheap junkyard parts as i'm trying to keep the budget as low as possible within reason of quality

[@TvzzR2]

Can it be done on electric throttle body ? Kick down cable

[@613Builds]

good question! it has been done before but it's not technically compatible. i saw one guy on youtube who talked about running the kickdown cable to the electronic pedal somehow. the reason why i used a 2002 throttle body and harness was so i could retain throttle cable. i need a mechanical connection between the man and the machine, personally i find the drive-by-wire systems to be laggy. ive driven several DBW GMs and it seems like you hit the throttle and 2 seconds later the electronic throttle body finally opens, so laggy i dont like the electronic throttle bodies. with my 2002 throttle body on my 2005 engine, it allows me to have an instant connection via throttle cable between my foot and the throttle body. either way the older mechanical kickdown cables arent made to connect to the gen3 engines. i had to custom build my bracket and throttle body lever for my TV cable

[@brownbriansjeep9020]

@@613Builds u got a part # on the tpi kickdown cable you used from rock auto

[@musclecarappraisal]

Sounds Great!

[@613Builds]

thanks !

[@HWCCEO609]

Good job brother.

[@613Builds]

Thanks 🙏🏽

[@DreadxHeadAR]

What did you have to do with drive shaft?

[@613Builds]

I used a 4th gen driveshaft, but any overdrive 3rd or 4th gen shaft will work with the factory 1” setback bellhousing position. A t5 driveshaft or a 4l60 or a 700r4 shaft will work just like factory. Personally I’m using the 1” setback position for the engine and I’m using a 1995 firebird driveshaft. I didn’t have to do anything aside from install new universal joints 😎👍🏽

[@done1012]

Well done.

[@613Builds]

thanks : )

[@themacofalltrades573]

You're a smart lil dude😅

[@613Builds]

thanks! big things come in small packages #BruceLee

[@blondgingazara7321]

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[@613Builds]

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[@michaeldose2041]

​@UCPU4Z1tfRvbB44QjHWr5hiw Yes, it came with a R4, which was plagued with problems. One of which was the TV cable. I get that having a bunch of "extra" wires is unsightly, and as you pointed out it becomes a whole new job to restore a butchered wiring harness. Definitely, not an easy redo. Just taking it off another donor vehicle is not easy. Live and learn. When I do an upgrade I like to take advantage of as much engineering as I can. GM spent millions to develop and improve the drive train that you only half adopted. The axle is pretty much unchanged but there were many refinements in the engine and trans. Yes it does lead to other problems like the speedo cable. I haven't personally dealt with that one but I am willing to bet there is an upgrade. I am currently working on a 57 Jeep and getting rid of the cable speedo is great because when you change gears and tires the speedo pretty much becomes useless. I can get a factory fuel injection, factory controller for a fraction of what an aftermarket F.I. system would cost for my old sbc which currently occupies the engine bay. So having a programmable speedo will be a great upgrade.

[@613Builds]

Michael Dose my harness is neatly de-pinned , it’s not “butchered”. And I enjoy keeping my OEM speedometer. The stock car harness is clean and uncut and the 700r4 only uses 3 wires , all stock. The LS engine harness has been neatly de-pinned but if I could do it again, I would have kept the 4LE part of the harness just incase I decided to change later

[@michaeldose2041]

@@613Builds Uh-oh, looks like I triggered someone. Okay butchered was perhaps a bad choice of words. Regardless, the 700R4 along with its 'kick down cable' LOL, needs to go. If you are going to go to all the trouble of upgrading the engine, the transmission is a no brainer GM already did the engineering for you.You should be taking advantage of the computing power you just installed not 'de-pinning it.

[@brownbriansjeep9020]

@@michaeldose2041 i just did what this john guy did with his 700r4 in a jeep with a TH400 on 4Linksuspension i had the 6cyl now i got a LSX TwinTurboCharged Garret GTX3582R , motor makes 560 N/A, no longer have stock ecu or harness , Base tune and self learning from holley Terminator X im waiting for a tune at my local performance shop from the best LS tuner in the planet , this kid is a genius, u should STOP HATING, it aint gonna make your tiny pee pee grow .... Get out & get laid.... may be a happier person / like life More 😅🙆💯💯💔 Oh and your momma str8 Hoe

[@brandentoomey5335]

What throttle cable did you use

[@613Builds]

stock throttle cable. dont wrap it around the throttle body cam like i see alot of ppl do. if you attach to the old cruise control stud on the side you will get 100% WOT throttle no problem. :D

[@billygreenhorn9275]

So do you need to program it or is it good to go once the vats is bypassed?

[@613Builds]

Most of my videos are to demonstrate achievement with minimal tools and minimal budget. This will work for me simply bypassed as I've previously demonstrated in 2018. I always try to do most stuff myself and try to be independent as possible. If I have a proper 5.3 CPU running on a mrjohn613 bypass, I don't see what or why you would need programming. Maybe you can San explain more what you mean? Most people will tell you that you will require a "tuner" , that's what they told me. But I didn't listen and I got it running by myself. I would consider running, tuning, and programming to all be 3 different things. I'm running DIY bypass and I can run and drive like that. If you want performance you need a tuner to tune. If you need to flash program , you need a dealer or a pro tuner. What do you need to program?

[@billygreenhorn9275]

I don't know, that's why Im asking. Everybody says makes different things that makes it sound so complicated.

[@613Builds]

@@billygreenhorn9275 basically in my situation, you only need "tune / program" if you want custom performance or custom CPU mods. in my case it will run & drive without paying any tuner, just my own DIY CPU bypass for the security. it just runs like stock but more performance can be possible if you pay a tuner