SERVICING A 3 JAW LATHE CHUCK

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[@cmarwood2]

Thanks for another great video. I used to work for Cushman Chuck in Hartford CT in the 80's. All of their chucks were assembled with moly disulfide grease.

[@mrpete222]

👍👍

[@stevelacher8092]

I watched this video before going over a Cushman chuck. It has a grease zirk recessed into the face. Thanks for the disulfide

[@Bob_Jones_]

Always enjoy seeing the inside of anything mechanical.. You had a cricket for a co-host this time :) .. heard him chirping constantly in the background

[@jeepnhusa]

and I was gong nuts looking for the cricket IN MY HOUSE, before I ....

[@Bob_Jones_]

@@jeepnhusa lol me too .. I had to pause the video to make sure

[@glenlivingstonegl]

He was chiming his version of a soundtrack 😂

[@greghumphris174]

This is the very first video of yours that I have seen. I think you did a great job explaining what I must do to free up the motion of my 3 jaw chuck with 3 keyholes. Thank you very much.

[@mrpete222]

Glad it was helpful!

[@machobunny1]

I bet you couldn't even hear that cricket in the background, but your mike picked it up loud and clear. Can't edit that sound out, but it's OK. Kinda adds a homey touch. Thanks for this video. I think my 3-Jaw is about ready for a clean out and this truly helps.

[@johncloar1692]

Thanks Mr. Pete I think I will go to the shop and work on mine. Thanks again for taking the time to make these videos, I know the effort it takes to make these.

[@feathers352]

Wow. What a great detailed video. I think after 40 years + my southbend chuck should probably be serviced. Really, really appreciate it. I am primarily working in brass so it has not gotten too dirty over the years. But I need to clean it up. Thanks a bunch.

[@mrpete222]

😄👍

[@rocketscience777999]

Great video. I always wondered how a chuck worked. Most of it is fairly common gear grinding, but they probably had to create a custom grinding machine that could grind the presumably hardened scroll. By the way, tungsten disulfide grease has a lower coefficient of friction than molybdenum disulfide, but both will work well. Its probably overkill for the chuck, but in the world of gas turbines and rocket engine turbopumps, using a specialized process that bakes on the tungsten disulfie would last the longest, have the lowest friction, retain less chips in the moving parts, and would be less than .0001 inches thick (probably way more info than you wanted though).

[@Sizukun1]

My vote would be for grease: it'll last longer and give just as much lubricity and rust protection, and is thicker to stay where it should stay. I think oil is too thin to hold onto the chips making it feel like grease attract chips more whereas force just slings chips away with oil.

[@garthbutton699]

Agreed

[@SilaseJimson]

Thanks a lot i have learnt a lot

[@TheUncleRuckus]

I used to use oil but I switched around 15 years ago after a suggestion from a friend. Now I use a Dry Moly Lube spray that has Graphite in it when I service the 4 jaw self-centering scroll chuck I use at work and on the one that I have on my South Bend lathe at home, which works quite well. Since switching I've found that I can go longer in between services bc the dry lube doesn't attract and hold chips & grit like oil and grease does, so there's less chance of jamming and wearing of parts. Also it's a lot easier and quicker to apply an even coat to the parts and best of all I no longer have to worry about the chucks spitting oil at me for a week or so after servicing like I did with oil lol. So for me it's a win win in my book.

[@rickhand8228]

When I bought my Craftsman (Atlas) lathe the three jaw chuck was like new but lacked the pinion. I contacted the company and was told there were no parts available. After much pondering I noticed how much the pinion hole resembled a drill chuck key. I found a key that matched closely enough to work. I removed the cross pin handle and used it that way for many years although it really was not safe with the body of the chuck key protruding from the chuck periphery!

[@mrpete222]

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[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

Cleaned up my 3 jaw Craftsman chuck here recently and thought I had been very conservative about oil but when it started to turn I started to get coated. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.

[@victorie2437]

Always a pleasure to see a new video, thank you for all your wisdom and experience.

[@brianbutler3954]

Yes the lathe gives you a streak of oil on your left sleeve, but the mill and the drill press balance it out by splashing oil all over your shirt. I find Goop on the stains before washings makes them all come out

[@mrpete222]

lol

[@junkmannoparts9696]

Hi Mr Pete good video. I used way oil on ones I've done . Happy 80th and you can tell its spring by the sound of your friend also keep up the good work . JM

[@paulhunt598]

We greased our chucks in the industrial production shop. We used an extremely high quality grease with high tackifiers. This reduced how much grease was slung out by centrifugal force. High quality industrial chuck manufacturers usually specified the preferred grease. Once settled on a shop standard, chuck grease was universally applied throughout the shop regardless of chuck maker. Grease suppliers changed over the years, but usually we used a dark gray grease that probably was high lithium base. If you use flood coolant I suggest that you look for a grease with high moisture resistance. CNC spindle speeds normally well exceed the hobby lathe spindle speeds so centrifugal sling out is less of a problem in the home shop. Over greasing or oiling will likely give you a lubrication spatter pattern on your shirt, the lathe bed and wall behind the machine.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@100yojimbo]

Very good and detailed video thanks Mrpete 👍👍👍♥️

[@kanonhile]

Thank you Sir for the time and effort to serve the community! I needed this video to help me refurb a 1927 South Bend chuck!

[@mrpete222]

😁😁

[@TsunauticusIV]

I’m happy to see that you are getting rid of your hoard. It’s not fair to leave all that mess for family to deal with after you’re gone. It would be different if you had a family member that was passionate about machinist work… but if you don’t… get rid of it all. Leave nothing for others to have to deal with. It’s a massive headache for grieving family to have to deal with such a hoard. You’re doing the right thing. Cheers Pete.

[@mrpete222]

Yes

[@bearsrodshop7067]

Well Lyle, when we here the heater fire up in the background, know IL must be still chilly as we are too here in TX :-( ...I haven't shown my little 6 in Bison 3 jaw spindle type chuck, but a must have. No one bid on it back in October, and sure happy to own :-) Thx for taking out time to share, I have to one day clean up my 10 in 3 jaw. Bear. Have a great wk end, and hello to the Bride for me !

[@mrpete222]

😄😄🙏

[@CraigLYoung]

Thanks for sharing 👍 I always put Neverseze on my fasteners. I've had trouble with just oil where I live.

[@ellieprice363]

I just serviced my 8 inch 3 jaw chuck, thanks to Mr. Pete’s excellent video. I applied a light coating of Moly grease in the teeth of the three jaws. Works much smoother now.

[@machobunny1]

That screwdriver. Whoa, memories. We moved into an old house when I was 7, about 1950 I think. I found THAT screwdriver under some straw in the barn. My Dad and I used it for years.

[@JaredAF]

Awesome timing, about to service my Cushman 3 jaw chuck which came with my 1920 South Bend 15"x6' :)

[@mrpete222]

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[@lathammarx1458]

Good video on cleaning the chuck, Tubalcain. You can see the swarf that gets into the gear and scroll area when you pulled it apart.

[@aktrapper6126]

Excellent content and video ....... AS ALWAYS. Thanks mrpete

[@adamchandler3162]

Thank you for sharing this information with us o absolutely love it. Am a proud owner of an atlas and a Bridgeport don’t know anything about them so thank you for the education

[@markharmon6392]

Lol! Yep! I have one of those ZYankee cordless screwdrivers too... but on mine I modified a hex drive bit holder like we use in drill motors to fit into mine so I'm not limited to the couple old bits mine came with. Sort of modernized it! BTW, I have a nice 3-jaw chuck I need to disassemble and clean. Thanks for making this informative video! Alway a pleasure watching and learning from a master!

[@mrpete222]

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[@XPFTP]

clean and mantained tools never a waste of time ... worth every min

[@G1951-w1y]

The dishwasher is a good idea. Don't forget using the Mrs. tooth brush for those hard to reach places.

[@JamesP_TheShedShop]

I finally heard the cricket!!!! Watched all you're videos and I've finally heard it. Never before. Jimaddy is just fine.😁😁

[@jhawker2895]

Oil and clean often .... Thanks for sharing ... Stay Safe and Well....

[@ypaulbrown]

Just took my 6 inch chuck from my South Bend 9A apart today..... a bit more complicated, as it has 3 slots for the chuck key..... lots of very old grease, but next to no wear.....the nice thing is, it has reversible jaws I think it was an after market addition, as the lathe is 1950's era... .I am debating using white lithium grease or oil now....hmmmm.... it is 1 1/2 by 8 ...but Plan on using on my 1 7/8 by 8 ....13 " SB....mounted to a 4 jaw... as the 9A has never been set up......Cheers Lyle, Paul down in Orlando.....

[@mrpete222]

👍👍👍

[@bobcote1375]

Thank you Mr.Pete!!

[@MichaelMullarkey-ze4ri]

Lubriplate No 105 engine assembly, fluid film. Thank you MWM Blacksmith

[@robert574]

Had to chuckle a little when you talked about cleaning it again after the scotchbrite considering what it looked like when you took it apart. Of course there may be some abrasive from the final sanding. Kinda made me want to go get one of my chucks and slide it out there so you could do it too while I watched. No doubt mine needs cleaning. I'll probably have to settle for regular diesel fuel. Did anyone else besides me think that the little bevel gear looked exactly like a drill chuck key? It even had the little tip to hold it.

[@ernerstowerdum3942]

Excelent vídeo. A heavy oil, like 320, 680 or similar is good for internal gears, because its easy to clean with wd 40 without desarming pieces. Thank you for share your knowledge

[@mrpete222]

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[@user-wo7rz3yn4o]

I used to use straight 30W oil but there was still quite a bit of it slinging out of the chuck. I now use 30W oil thickened up with STP oil treatment. I use that mixture throughout my lathe now.

[@mrpete222]

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[@davidbaker308]

I recently rebuilt my 12” Cushman because it was stuck together from old grease. I was very well preserved by the previous owner but with the tight tolerances and glue like grease it was near impossible to disassemble. I put it back together with oil which by the way if you are going to do this Mr. Pete is very much correct on the striped left shoulder. But it does work very smooth and I believe for my use the oil will work well. In a constant shop use environment grease is probably superior. Thanks again for another great video.

[@edwickyates5374]

You must have a lot of patience, not because of the cleaning of the chuck but the cricket in the background. I would have had to hunt it down. Lol. Maybe you did cause I didn't hear it at the end of the video.

[@billmckillip1561]

I use oil and find much less crud in the chucks at cleaning time. You can add a few drops now and then as well which doesn't work so well with grease.

[@ElTelBaby]

@ 3@12 To facilitated this even further... I'd use a minimum of 3 wedges a ratchet strap around all the wedges;... the chuck with the heaviest side to your bench... Then tap all wedges in turn keep the strap taught...

[@mrpete222]

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[@mechaform]

I took apart a Burnerd 3-jaw chuck and could not get it back together again; the clearances were too tight. Had to get someone with finer sensibilities to get the scroll plate back into the body without damage. It’s all good now. I have a few Yankee screwdrivers that keep on going even when the power is out - true “green” machines.

[@DavidHerscher]

I like to use oil. I’ve tried both, and every time I’ve slathered it with grease i feel like I’ve regretted it. Oil will sling when the chuck gets to spinning, but it’s better than the grease i think.

[@carrollprice1213]

Dry Graphite in spray cans seems to work well as a chuck lubricate due to it coating and lubricating the metal without attracting chips, etc. It comes out of the can as a liquid due to a carrier something like Brakeclean that quickly evaporates, leaving a coat of fine graphite that appears to go into the grain of metal. There are probably several brands available, but "Blaster" brand from Ace Hardware is the one I used.

[@johnhawkinson]

I'd speculate that oil versus grease depends on how frequently you're willing to tear down the chuck for servicing, since you can [kind-of] add oil without full disassembly. What to the manufacturers of comparable 3-jaw chucks (without grease fittings) recommend? Surely there is some guidance, even if we don't know who manufactured this particular chuck.

[@angelramos-2005]

Very good video.Thank you.

[@bradjohnson9671]

Lyle, I've always used a moly based grease. Just a thin coat does the job.

[@garychaiken808]

Good job 😊. Thank you

[@rcurry8531]

Thank you sir. I always used grease. 👍👍👍

[@leeroyholloway4277]

I need to do this, it's been a while. As far as lubricants, choose one. In the aircraft business we never mix lubricants. There is the tendency for one to break down the other.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@358trucking]

Who even knew this was a thing? 😀👍Awesome Video!

[@garthbutton699]

My vote would be for grease,thanks for the video🤗😎🤗😎

[@jossfitzsimons]

I'd go for the motorcycle black used to put a motorcycle grease that comes in a broad tin which is heated up to immerse the chain in. It repels grit while lubricating with graphite in a matrix of grease. Maybe a motorcycle shop would you some.

[@bobjimenez4464]

that little bevel gear does lots of work....I won't crank down too hard on 3 jaw chucks.

[@4SafetyTraining]

Well off to cleaning chucks...... thanks I was looking for some thing to do.....

[@mikesgabellone5089]

many years ago i had a specials lub for forklifts it was an aerosol that was mostly graphite so no dust would stick to it, seems like a good use for it heei t dried completely

[@mrpete222]

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[@JourneymanRandy]

I cleaned mine and it works much smother now.

[@transmitterguy478]

That should be done on a monthly maintenance schedule along with cleaning and adjusting the lathe and the other shop tools one has.

[@charlesvanvalkenburg7592]

In a shop where the lathe is in daily use a monthly service and maintenance schedule is the way to go. But. In a shop where the lathe is only used occasionally I would recommend service after every 160 to 172 hours of use. I know that means keeping a log of machine hours which many of find inconvenient. But a little inconvenience is worth while to keep your tools and machinery in good working order.

[@larrykrise3609]

enjoyed it and thank you for the info.

[@4GSR]

Your wife's electric toothbrush works really good on the scroll gear teeth, too! She has one, doesn't she?

[@mrpete222]

lol

[@emonsahariar9292]

12:39 Are these screwdrivers hand-made? That's a beauty sir.

[@Unrivaledanime]

When you asked for a hand to hold the chuck I was yes I would lol

[@Jpetovic]

Thank you 🙏

[@ElTelBaby]

@ 1-:03 I would use a Dry Spay Lubricant...

[@christurley391]

Thanks again

[@PaulSteMarie]

Bison sells special grease for chucks, rather expensive IIRC, but my Autostrong chuck has a ball oiler on the front, strongly indicating oil is preferred. I think the answer is simply that you need to lubricate the chuck.😂

[@anthonyraffin1034]

Yup! Need to get chucks for my 10" Atlas

[@TXShelbyman]

I use Pratt Burnerd Chuck Lubricant. It is a grease and seems to stay in the chuck pretty well.

[@duron700r]

Doggone it, i have one or three of those screwdrivers around here. Why dont i use them? This video is a must-see for owners of brand new off shore chucks as well. Thanks!

[@davedunn4285]

Hi Lyle Are you serious when you say your going to go upstairs and put these chuck parts in the dishwasher .😂 Man you have got more guts than me

[@mrpete222]

We don’t even have a dishwasher

[@dablakh0l193]

My shop teacher from many, many years ago always told us that for the shop tools - gears get grease, and metal on metal sliding surfaces (like ways) get oil. I have kept to that now for 50 years, It works for the most part, and I have only ever found 1 or 2 things that didn't follow the rule. Other than that, keep up the great videos. I recently came into possession of a 1946 Logan 820 lathe with quick change gears and taper attachment, and your videos have been a great help as I disassemble it to clean and refurbish it. Thanks for the help

[@thomasking2081]

GREAT VIDEO MR PETE, COULD YOU USE A DRY LUBE ON THIS?

[@bobbyw9046]

Because of all the chips that obviously accumulated, I believe oil is the way to go. While grease will last in place much longer, all the chips that get in will stick to the grease and act as an abrasive. I suppose cleaning and lubricating every so often will extend the life.

[@SMOKEY-JAYS-DIESEL]

That is the same exact 3 jaw chuck that is on my 1934 south bend model c 9 x 48 lathe

[@PrairieTraveler]

Do you think graphite would work? I liked the cricket sound effect !

[@surlyogre1476]

lol... I had to take my headphones off (briefly) to make sure the crickets weren't in _my_ place.

[@vtwin6]

Get that cricket Mr Pete..!!

[@callahansmachine]

LOL My old timey screwdriver has a twin!

[@jimc4731]

👍 JIM 🥰

[@daviddauphin838]

Good Morning!

[@robert574]

I found two sets of jaws yesterday in a box for a 3 jaw (one large and one small set). I wonder what the odds are that they are for one of mine. Probably better than a lottery ticket.

[@mrpete222]

True

[@bin_chicken80]

This channel never gets enough likes. There is 290K of you and there is only 265 likes :(

[@mrpete222]

😂😂

[@bin_chicken80]

@@mrpete222 I'm pleased to see that the figures are rising 😀 Thanks for all the effort you put into sharing your knowledge and educating people here. I'm pretty sure your channel is the longest continuous channels that I have subscribed to. I had a bit of a scan back through your catalog of videos and I think it goes back about 10-11 years ago when I first found your channel. It may be longer. So many videos and so much knowledge and wisdom shared 😂 Thank you!

[@michaelcerkez3895]

Grease or Oil, what does the South Bend Lathe book say? I like the grease. Centrifugal force with displace the oil in a skinny minute.

[@johnabramson9572]

I always thought High speed use oil, high pressure use grease, although there might be exceptions to that

[@BaconbuttywithCheese]

Centrifugal forces determine molycoat for chuck innards. Years of top, non sticky service!

[@chuckyounger7298]

Is that Brass wedge something you made or purchased? Got my day pre-planned after seeing this, thanks

[@mrpete222]

Those are commercially made wedges. I got them at a swap meet

[@nychillboy8724]

I noticed some markings on the chuck after you cleaned it. what's it say?

[@bcbloc02]

I use powdered graphite to lube my chucks.

[@JimSmith431]

Oil or grease - I don't think it really matters all that much. As long as mating/moving surfaces have lubrication either will work.

[@longcaster]

very good

[@stevelacher8092]

Before lithium we just listened to the voices!

[@therealme613]

Mr p is that the same cricket that’s been in the basement for 10yrs now?

[@binbashbuddy]

The cricket are back already? I vote grease myself.

[@RayFinchum]

I have model 1066 5'' 3 jaw chuck that needs the bevel gear that the chuck key turns do you know where I can buy that part it is on a Logan 210-1 lathe.

[@mrpete222]

You can probably find it on eBay.

[@RayFinchum]

@@mrpete222 Thank you Sir.

[@lesmaybury793]

I use slidway oil on my chucks. Only a small amount is needed. It is tenacious and very slippery. I was just thinking, very dangerous for me, has anyone tried sticky motorcycle chain lube? It is designed as anti-fling so should keep your left shoulder clean.

[@normesmonde5332]

I’m an oiler for the last 50 years grease attracts the chips

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@clifeddens1658]

Is Jiminy Cricket in the shop??

[@bobweiram6321]

The question is how did those tiny chips penetrate and get inside the internal gears?

[@ironscrap6244]

wormhole ....😇

[@steveclark..]

Anyone work for or know someone who makes chucks? Do they use oil or grease when they are assembled I wonder.

[@CDN_Torsten]

I'm assuming there is an inside joke here...did you really put the chuck in the dishwasher?? My periodic chuck cleaning is usually done in Varsol, followed by oil in the scroll and bearing grease on the 'rack and pinions'.

[@SloopyJohnG]

Oh yes, into the dishwasher, brushed off with Mrs Tubalcain's toothbrush, and dried off with one of her softest bath towels.

[@chuckyounger7298]

Wouldn’t oil and grease just attract and hold chips? Dry lube, INMO would be better...