Is HP Inflation Too Much? | Prydwen & CN V2.6 Memory Of Chaos Analytics

[@nat6lbg440]

It's crazy how half of the old DPS can't clear in 10 cycles. Hoyo have to slow down jesus christ.

[@claudiowiseman8488]

do you know how maths works? lol

[@eckology016]

Why would anyone, even F2P, need to run 1.x DPS as we're getting to 3.0? New players can pull for the new chars, and vets get like 100 pulls per patch. It's really not hard at all to keep up with power creep.

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

​@eckology016 you assume nobody is losing 50/50. I'm f2p, lost the 50/50 in Acheron, Firefly, Rappa, didn't get enough pulls for Feixiao and Boothill, the only 2.X DPS I managed to grab was Yunli. I cannot clear this MoC in less than 11 cycles, none of my DPS are physically capable of dealing with Svarog's HP

[@giovanniford123]

@@LucasGomes-ng2go wait so your just pulling with no plan because if i lost 50 50 on acheron why wouldnt i use my guarantee on ff

[@SerraAbyssAlisaris]

Its actually worse caues they aren't including the 10+ cycles in Data. If they Did DHIL would fall under fail.

[@mirei9225]

Remember guys, every patch is a buff for topaz and jingyuan. Until we meet again!

[@manfredstorm7599]

because investing in victory...

[@ChrisWilliams-ur7fn]

​@@manfredstorm7599 ..means playing the long gaaame!

[@Lewa500]

As it should be.

[@noobgaming5341]

Bro even after so many buffs both of them are trash respectfully speaking

[@ZytenEspada]

You misspelled Himeko

[@BeautyEnjoyer]

E2 this, E2 that. Is it just me, but pulling for copy’s of units just not fun, it’s change nothing, but damage numbers. And being pressured by hp inflation to consider copies it’s really sad direction for game development :(

[@eternitiesx]

yes. this is why i refuse to pull for e2 acheron

[@BeautyEnjoyer]

@ same, it’s not even investment question it’s just dumb. If you NEED eidolons for comfortable clears this characters who came up not in this patch, then it’s a game problem, not mine

[@TheJH1015]

exactly. Same with Harmony units. Why do I NEED to pull Robin to have a FUA team that can actually make a chance to clear MoC now?

[@BeautyEnjoyer]

@ nah, now you need e1 Robin to clear it fast with out proper MOC buffs. That’s ridiculous, really.

[@nongsense26]

​@@TheJH1015Robin makes FUA team look like an actual FUA team. Harmony units are way more valuable than you think

[@magilou1150]

Very generous game: - you get 80-100 pulls per patch -need 180 pulls to guarantee a character -need 2 teams with 4 characters -devs purposely make frustrating to play your characters after 2-3 patches -after 4-6 patches your whole teams are already outdated -your old e2s1 looks like a clown compared to the new e0s0

[@sct77]

Archetypes are a thing buddy, this isn't 1.0 lol.

[@muhammadkhairulhaziq2905]

@@sct77 get the latest archetype character with higher multipliers or lose lol

[@sct77]

@@muhammadkhairulhaziq2905 The multipliers aren't significantly higher, what matters the most is the rest of the team. When dot started falling off players didn't ask for their multipliers to be buffed, they asked for a dot support.

[@nikolmari]

I was still able to 36* MoC with IL + Sparkle, and Kafka + Sampo teams 😅

[@alex5623]

Day 1 King Yuan haver gonna be clearing all content on time in 2.7 with the power of Sunday stonks. Never in doubt. And no vertical investment needed.

[@Linline02]

I think the problem isnt the hp etc increasing its that the fights are getting designed around certain units. Moc used to be just a check if your characters are build well and now its "do you have the right charaters?". We dont need another mode where you need specific characters we have pf for that.

[@poiboi4712]

I’d say pf is the least specific. It’s just use any aoe. AS has specific buffs and mechanics. I had to mess around with so many relics to finally clear that.

[@The_Evening_Sun]

I think the tier list is kinda skewed based on what team a unit is going to get used on. Topaz is higher than Feixiao, because I'd argue that except for die hard Ratio players, topaz will never be played on an unoptimal team as she's a support for a specific subtype. On the other hand Feixiao as the dps a team is built around will sometimes be built on a suboptimal team.

[@Wawawawawa750]

and FuA teams are like the best team in the game. She and Moze are like the clearest benefactors from this

[@elereto9246]

This is so wrong

[@kikopikac2806]

@@elereto9246 in what way?

[@IIIlllIIllIlIl]

Same with Jiaoqiu and Acheron.

[@elereto9246]

@@kikopikac2806 why would a dps bave more usage then a sub dps/support

[@yowaii4862]

4 star only moc video was actually so fun to watch can't wait for more

[@liudnasvakaras2595]

Pela the OG Goat 4star

[@kook3585]

The bennett xingqiu of hsr

[@sakuseihuoshen]

​@@kook3585 Glad my favorite 4 star is still safe

[@coraW]

​@@kook3585and tingyun is like sucrose. replaceable but still good

[@ladyhdwastaken]

You know shit gets real when everyone has slower clear times. Damn. Preparing us for 3.0 I guess.

[@Egghead930]

Inflation is almost as bad as Americas national debt.

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

Ain’t that in the trillions atp? Non American here so I genuinely don’t tknow

[@kingsimba9513]

​@@Gottaloveaxolotls36T 🥶

[@AlwaysThirstys]

@@kingsimba9513 Feixiao will get powercrept, your wife is not safe.

[@kingsimba9513]

@@AlwaysThirstys I hope so, I don't even own her lol. Unfortunately I initially chose worthless Acheron to be my main. UID is in my profile page btw. Glaze at that top 0.1% build on Seeleland (you can only dream xD).

[@y4y8y5]

​@@kingsimba9513 dont worry brother they will just raise the celling again 🗣🗣🗣

[@muonluocrau7603]

HSR got to a point where you actually get punished if you simply pull for every character. The old characters get outdated and forgotten in 2-3 patches (0.5 patch for Argenti, RIP). That's exactly what they want - you have to spend non-stop. The only counter is not to pull and save for e6 of the most OP character. If a c6 character is worse than a c0 new character, it's time to leave the game.

[@invertbrid]

Ppl who pulled E6 selee prob feel like quiting now lol, or quit already 🤣. She was most op dps in 1.0. even after few patches until IL came around. Tho to be fair her eindolons indeed sux as 1.0 dps.

[@sikuaq1035]

e6 sparkle being outshined by e0 Sunday 💀

[@invertbrid]

@@sikuaq1035 sadly this game rewards horizontal investment. Investing on E6 is literally the WORST decision anyone can make, unless whales. Pulling more characters is definitely better than overinvesting on one

[@JohnStamR]

That 5mil hitting like a truck. Man I wish I won that 50/50 on Lingsha.

[@pillowhead4456]

You really dont need her, i cleared with Gallagher

[@Kirraii]

​@@pillowhead4456 lingsha best dps

[@Dogz271]

@@pillowhead4456 Galaggher Coper Spotted.

[@yagodestiny400]

I didn't pull Jiaoqiu cuz I was saving for Feixiao, now I somehow got E2 Acheron by a miracle. (I already had her before) Gonna save for Jiaoqiu after Sunday.

[@Sarahlomaistro]

At this point I won't be even surprised if the next nihility will be a jiaoqiu on crack lmao

[@Tammiel-A9]

hp inflation, their solution to their inability to increase combat difficulties

[@pally3370]

Something important to note as well here isn't just average cycle clear, but also the difference in how many cycles they went down. Everyone except for nihilities, gepard/lynx, JY, Blade, and DHIL went down by a whole cycle or more. This is likely because without a proper cleanseable CC on the field, Lynx+Gepard actually end up being viable in this MOC cycle, while nihilities who rely on their ultimates benefited greatly from the TV's energy regen (or fast movement in the case of Ach+Jiao), JY loved the shared HP boss+energy buffs, DHIL benefits from the shared HP and the SP/energy, and Blade is well... uh we don't talk about him...

[@student76543]

Something that you, like many, many of the HP inflation doomposters are missing is the gimmick of the current Moc which is a start of turn damage based on stacks that don't go away. Meaning your damage will increase over time. Yes 0-cycles are far less common, but those shouldn't be a relevant metric and I'd argue 0-cycles being extremely hard to get is a good thing for the game.

[@Dr_Smash]

Bro really forgot Boothill literally implants his own weakness on enemies.

[@Mamjamsham]

Doesnt matter, he is still facing physical resistance unlike Jingyuan. His implant doesnt remove resistance. Not to mention no mobs for pocket trickshots and weakness locking enemies on first half, 5 targets on second half this MoC, Boothill is a Hunt character. Jingyuan clearing slower is still very concerning. Save us, Sunday. Then again, Acheron's avg cycles is only 0.6 cycle lower than Boothill's even though both sides have lightning weak boss and shared hp 5 target boss is literally her best case scenario, shows how overrated she is 🤣🤣

[@inferno4165]

boothill only implants with ultimate, and you dont get ultimate that often

[@Dogz271]

@@inferno4165 Fugue gonna Fix that soon.

[@GA4836_]

@@MamjamshamI agree Acheron has fallen off a bit but keep in mind that loads of people pulled her compared to boothill so more people have her and don’t build her properly which drags her down.

[@Yinami]

I have e6 jingliu, outside of combat she has 270% crit damage and 50% crit rate, which means when she enters her special enhanced state she will be over 450%+ crit damage and 100% crit rate, and im also pairing her up with dedicated supports like ruan mei, defense down units like pela and silver wolf, despite all of that jingliu's damage is... really low... i feel like the recent e0 dps units with alot less investments are able to achieve like 100x more damage is just really sad to me... i understand its powercreep but still

[@proles8]

knowing that getting you fave e6s5 doesn't auto win the game sounds like ass, im sorry

[@Yinami]

@proles8 I'm using them extremely optimally though? I'm just saying what it is, it's just powercreep

[@proles8]

@@Yinami I'm not saying you're not, I'm agreeing with you tha the powercreeping is ass

[@wizsword.]

so happy i started playing again on the Topaz/ Fu xuan banner a while back and got both. fua has been fun af

[@ChrisWilliams-ur7fn]

All the people that crapped on "sidegrade" Lingsha ignoring her actual mechanics.

[@zarwd3005]

Hp inflation is the reason i quit hsr i love the game but i don't like the powercreep

[@lawrence5164]

As much as i hate it, i could see from another perspective that turn based games like this will eventually turn to powercreeping because the devs can't sell their characters that well if there is no literal upgrade from just say 1.0 to 2.0 roster. Even then, i still have mixed feelings about the moc buff and format, it feels like their pushing the agendas to sell one specific character (i mean so people will pull the new char) but maybe if they could give better matchup and buffs for off banner characters (but still not as big as the banner so it will still be fair) then things could get better. Finally, maybe just maybe, they could give a special quest to ascend or buff old characters to at least be viable (i still love seele even though benched) not by releasing new characters for example sunday to buff jingyuan, that's just predatory for people like you have to pull this or that to use your char.

[@inferno4165]

@@lawrence5164 its obviously gonna have powercreep, thats not the problem, the problem is that its almost purely hp based, meaning characters released some time ago will never be able to clear anything, as their damage numbers were meant to clear lower hp enemies, being forced to pull for a new unit because of simply damage is annoying and just not fun

[@rochdilucas4533]

@inferno4164 depends, you still can clear with old units but it will need really high investments in terms of build, light cone and supports,and if you are dedicated to a specific character you probably will

[@Platinumsnake2024]

@@lawrence5164 reverse 1999 it's have kind of power creep but it's not as bad bad HSR did, they bufff old DPS

[@Platinumsnake2024]

@@rochdilucas4533 yeah and make sure your old DPS can compete with 9+ Million HP BOSS in 3.0 good luck investing with money

[@JayRashford]

What I learn from the recent patch, when someone doomposting one character, it turns out to be one of the most useful character in the future patch

[@FD-wl7xq]

Honestly.It’s so funny to see alot of people doompost about lingsha and look where she is now.I want to see those doomposters so bad rn

[@JayRashford]

​@@FD-wl7xqsame as jiaoqiu, my God he made my acheron so much better in clearing end game content, e0s0 jiaoqiu btw

[@Fraudkuna]

​@@FD-wl7xqright behind you

[@YumiSumire]

Jingyuan, Seele, Jingliu, Blade, Silver Wolf, ...

[@PabloRodriguezreal]

​​@@FD-wl7xqMaybe because you just make assumptions and make things up. Nobody was doomposting her capabalities, after all she's a big gallagher. It's just that people don't care as much for a sustain that does basically the same thing as s 4 star one

[@MrFrexys]

I'm convinced the real meta is having a fully synergistic team. It doesn't really matter what you've pulled; if you have the full superbreak comp or the full FuA comp, any MoC is easy. The issue is when you maybe didn't pull some part of that team, RM for example or maybe Robin, then your clears plummet. It's why Acheron seems mid to people; nobody pulled her best support because it's a dude. Then they complain that Acheron fell off. If you pulled FF without Ruan Mei you'd be convinced she fell off too.

[@Accountthatexists]

Average clears for a team are 7-8 cycles.....theres two sides.....and the cycles u get is 10? What in the hell

[@w3t_wlpes]

I mean its not rare for one team to be weaker than the other. My ratio team often clears in 6-7 cycles while my FF clears in 2-3. As long as its under 10 its not uncommon for one side to clear super slow and the other very fast.

[@MrNess640]

The stat is for both sides. So if you spend two cycles on side 1 and six on side 2, it will be tracked as eight cycles for both teams. Yes, this statistic is as useless as it sounds.

[@TetGodOfGames]

@@MrNess640I mean to be fair it’s hard to pull data of only one side, only way is if people manually gave the data

[@TheShadowMonarch23]

@@TetGodOfGames I think, no one argue that it is hard, the point is that you should not rely on this statistic because it is kinda not objective. A lot of people could 0 cycle one side and 8 cycle other and statistic for unit that 0 cycled still will be counted as 8 cycle.

[@exu7325]

Prydwen's survey isn't exclusive to full-star clears. It's basically useless data. CN's survey is a lot more accurate (even if they don't select for eidolons).

[@VioletFoxSyndicate]

i live for e1s1 jade on my feixiao team. jade, feixiao, robin and aven are an incredible team on any side since jade gets her stacks so quickly. jade's lc lets her ignore 20% of def with her fua and ult and her fua goes often an insane amount of times with feixiao as the debt collector

[@eray2098]

ok jq salesman I will pull him on rerun

[@saltisgreat1522]

2:38 .... hahahahhahahaha (non rappa haver here), yeah so about that... I had to 2 cycle Svarog with FART, and took a whopping 8 cycles with himeko superbreak 😭😭😭 (Dont have Lingsha or Jade or Acheron either), and while I have DHIL hes unbuilt, hes like my account's trophy wife-

[@516callersurge4]

Yeah Hsr hp inflation is so outrageous. Need hella built characters and if you use 4*s need most cons for the supports or else you ain’t touching 36*

[@imrane161]

Rappa enjoyer here. I can 2cycle ocasionally, with a very very comfy 3 cycle. E0s1 rappa (156spd with 3.5k atk, ik its too much atk), e6 hmc (crap build 136 spd s1 dance3x), e0s0 ruan mei (143spd with s5memories, with a build that isnt too good but its fine cuz she's broken), e0s0 ligsha (145 spd, relic healing body, gallagher lc) everybody on er rope except hmc I havent been trying too many rotations tho cuz i wanna save that for when fugue comes.

[@cuni8666]

yo bro how much break do you have on your guys?

[@mononomo7940]

I can 3 cycle with mid relics and no sig or eidolons The boss is clearly made for rappa

[@HeyItsme-c8x]

​@@mononomo7940 meanwhile me with 2.5k atk,299 BE,151 speed FF clearing 5 cycle (I believe last time I did) e0s1 .. yup they really trying to sell rappa

[@kingsimba9513]

Just wanted to point out that if you want to have the flexibility of not running DDD, you're so close to the SPD breakpoint of 157.1 (assuming you still play with RM, otherwise it's 166.7).

[@sakuseihuoshen]

You should've showed break effect instead of atk for Rappa. I have 220% break effect and I can 1 to 2-cycle moc

[@christopherwilson7139]

"No one is running Blade on the second side" Cough, yes... who would be so foolish? He came is so clutch for me to 3 star this cycle.

[@Ele3esGurak]

Hail Jiaoqiu before watching the video

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

Hail Jiaoqiu. I don’t have bro ngl TvT

[@NeededElsweyr]

(edited) Anyways, hail Jiaoqiu.

[@ondironc5535]

Hail Jiaoqiu

[@chugchag6814]

I'm so glad I pulled for him instead of sparkle Hail Jiaoqiu

[@firte3899]

Hail jiaoqiu

[@nickarooroo6397]

Sunday about to elevate Jing Yuan to all time highs at least

[@izumolee6714]

For about a patch until the next OP summon character is released than Jing Yuan falls back into irrelevancy unfortunately.

[@Ocacadordecasadas]

​@@izumolee6714literally Aglea lol,bro will have 1 patch of relevance

[@exort7010]

People acting like he's going to get nerf or some shit after one patch lol

[@Moonfairy127]

​@@izumolee6714 by that logic ratio would also need to fall massively because of feixiao. But he doesn't.

[@magilou1150]

@@exort7010 he wont get nerfed, the enemy hp will get buffed to accommodate new characters stupid damage numbers, like every single patch until now lol

[@kiwee4577]

Lingsha is a LEGENDARY phenomena by now

[@noerufrost643]

A true erudition GOD 😂😂😂

[@MartianMage]

35% appearance rate lol

[@izumolee6714]

And we had people say she's not needed cause Galachad exists. I love Galachad but people have to admit it that Lingsha is just THAT much better.

[@kiwee4577]

@@noerufrost643 crit build ftw when break is dead

[@MartianMage]

@@izumolee6714 she isn't given that the huge majority of submissions don't even have her

[@MatthewEason-j7j]

As a Jade fan. This puts a smile on my face.

[@Wawawawawa750]

Jiaoqiu + Acheron is hella consistent, and while yes the banana boss is AoE check, the fact that they are actually only very slightly behind FuA and Break when Hoyo decided to stop shilling FuA and Break bosses/turbulence kinda insane Geppie with trends is getting bumped by acheron comps and lynx is prob used less than luocha so more experienced players use her. Also Sparkle falling off is just proof that Sunday powercreeping her was inevitable when her performance is that mid (ngl im expecting him to not perform cycle wise to his potential until summon bcs he aint stupid proof unless he has S1 and he's not robin level strong to cancel out not being stupid proof)

[@Wawawawawa750]

Also Bronya faster than Robin bcs Bronya is only used by skilled players atp and they use her WITH Robin and rly specific speedtuning, her best team in fact is Robin Fei March Bronya or replace march with galla if you can't run sustainless. Dude Bronya E6 overrated her best eidolon is literally E2

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

not really that insane, banana boss is tailor made for Acheron and Rappa, it is their best case scenario, its like choir for Firefly or Hoolay for Yunli, if they didn't perform on those cases it would be really fucking worrying

[@Borovski213]

Banana boss has lightning weakness and shared HP. Its the best enemy lineup for her and rappa who can hit all 5 enemies

[@Nightmare-361]

Acheron is literally better than FF/Break btw. I'm mad because her numbers are pulled down by all those brain rot JQ skippers, i'd bet that less than 30% of Acheron havers pulled for him. Her true clears are literally JQ's numbers since he's in Acheron's teams 90% of the time

[@Wawawawawa750]

@@Nightmare-361 30% of acheron players pulled for him, 90% of acheron teams use him.. what?

[@kuroeinao8561]

is anyone having problem with MOC 11?

[@LucasGomes-ng2go]

I particularly didn't, but I've seen a lot of people not being able to 3-star 11

[@thegray6868]

Nope is it hard😢

[@icon_of_horny]

I couldnt clear MOC 11 trying to use Jingliu or Ratio on the first half and just went for Rappa first half and Acheron with Aventurine second half and it was okay

[@azuremoon4754]

MANY people had and issue with it. I barely cleared

[@RavenShugo]

I restarted 11th more, than 12th... The problem was Adventurine boss, who loved to target supports and do 3 attacks in a row basically oneshooting someone...

[@bjornnilsson2941]

So glad to see Bronya getting her time to shine before Sunday, both in CN and global. Even after she'll still be quite strong with eidolons. The CN Rappa data *has* to be scuffed lol, there's simply no way unless she's the only character nobody whaled on. She's so perfect for side 2 it's silly.

[@nightowlowo149]

15:50 Theres a gimmick with Welt that after Imprisoning any of the TV head enemies, they always recover in the happy state. Theres a video on YT for this :D

[@synchrosaint4830]

Xueyi is a victim of being too reliant on the enemy having Quantum weakness. I really hope Fugue brings her usage rate up.

[@Aglaea-hsr]

I got a 1 cycle clear against both halfs with E0 S1 Acheron, Pela, E0 S1 Aventurine and E1 S1 Robin. I think Acheron is fine without Jiaoqiu however he makes Acheron more comfortable to play

[@YASUOMURAMASA]

Since the top 3 teams are running sustainless, could we say that Boothil is the best sustain of the patch? 🤔

[@АндрейАлгазин-н8н]

latest moc was surprisingly good for dots, swarog - dot team 4 cycles, 2nd half acheron, jq, pela - 4 cycles

[@Why_So_Mean]

acheron, jingliu, jingyuan gonna get evalated by Sunday trusssssst

[@ZytenEspada]

Jingliu 😂

[@hxlydied]

if you use Robins ult on Svarogs 2nd turn you can kill the hand before it acts

[@AlexanderSama]

This guy makes me feel like my english is not good enough after 10+ years of consuming 90% of content in english.

[@deldalus]

typical HSR comment "BuT yOu DoN't nEed tO puLL aLL cHArActER tO cLeEr" which is correct. but as current. you are needed to pull these characters at least E0 regardless of your like/dislike or waifu/husbando preferences. ・Acheron and her debuff stacker support units (Blackswan, Jiaoqiu, Sparkle[for E2 Acheron]) ・Firefly or Rappa and her SB support units (Ruan Mei, Fugue) ・(optional)Feixiao and her FUA support units (Robin, Topaz, etc) [although Feixiao is optional, you are still required FUA archetype regardless] ・(optional)Jade for PF ・(optional)Kafka for when dot buff drop in MoC/PF [dot archetype is required regardless but its sucks now so its optional] ・any sustain units that support archetype mentioned above (Aventurine-FUA, Lingsha-SB) holy molly that's about 10+ of 5* characters !! oh, you can't afford them all because you spent some jades on 1.x units (which got powercrept) and now you can't keep up ? no worry, some of characters will still perform okay without their crucial support units/vice versa. even 1.x attacker they will still be fine with 2.x supporter, right ? (wrong, it will take more cycle) huh ? you don't even have signature LC on them ? oh boi, its suck to be f2p and low spender, I guess. that's what the game telling you, not me. you pulled wrong and the wall is high. also some of those mentioned characters above will get bench in about next 5 patches anyway if HSR still go on with this pace. so good luck 🤣

[@drakehound2244]

Just skip Sunday if you are F2P .. if you have firefly or going to pull for firefly save up for fugue as well, but even better for F2P is Herta 5 star. she doesn't need anybody else to be OP. Herta 5 star is like Lingsha, one of those MUST pull if you are F2P. but want Algeae... sadly every character that needs somebody else like Robin or Jade, you know you either have them or must pull for them. make use of the Free 5 star character in 2.7, so either pull for Bronya or Himeko. himeko means you are going Firefly Fugue Lingsha Route. Bronya cause you either already have Firefly, or just a universe character that can fit into any team, but you need to learn to use Bronya.

[@afish4583]

Idk I never pulled Jingliu Acheron firefly or rappa and I clear just fine

[@yorchmr3603]

idk im clearing just fine still on jingyuan lmao

[@ineedmorecarrots6063]

feixiao already going down in damage per screenshot is crazy

[@sarahracicot2299]

Surprised Firefly is so low. I don’t have her, so I used superbreak Himeko on side 2. But it looked like side 2 with break bonus in MoC and all that fire weakness would be great for her.

[@shugo2355]

Are these avarages based on clearly both sides together or one side? For example, is Topaz taking an avarage 7.6 just fighting the first side?

[@shugo2355]

nevermind, answered in the video.

[@akdrzllol1698]

2:44 you can also run jingliu side 2 because of all the ice weakness.

[@gummyboi7544]

A lot of this is on Hoyo for sure but what im also gathering from the statistics here is that some people dont know how to build teams

[@coraW]

4:01 they murdered healers i think☠️

[@Nightmare-361]

The agenda even Pokke is pushing is insane lmao. Let's see how Feixiao is clearing without Robin. Let's see how Firefly is clearing within Ruan Mei. Let's see how these "Acheron killers" do without their best support lmao. Absolutely ridicolous the agenda that's been pushed recently.

[@hanabii14]

We gonna see later jing yuan rising up👀

[@ZytenEspada]

Himeko rising higher when fugue drops. You love to see it. I'm just glad Jing yuan going up too. ❤

[@Kuddochan]

Just wait until he sees the 3.x MoC numbers lol, literally double the AoE HP of 2.7.

[@derb1809]

As a recent player. I think I won't be able to clear MOC probably would take me 2 years just to clear all the end games

[@franktownsend3483]

I played every day from 1.0 to 2.2 just came back with some good gear and still struggle lol, can’t clear PF or APOC shadow just MOC. I’m literally just done with endgame and it’s kinda killed me desire to wanna log in and play.

[@Richard-nb6fv]

16:32 i used e2 Acheron w pela and sparkle and fu xuan but got a 4 star clear first half so i don't see the need for jiaoqiu

[@Shadow_0736]

If this list includes e's then My e2s1 acheron cleared first half in 4 cycles and 2nd half in 2. Im satisfied with her considering i dont have jiaoqiu and my pela's traces are not max out

[@Dsvorn]

4 cycles is really bad tho, i cleared both sides 0 cycles with acheron, even E0S1 can 0 cycle, even if you don’t want to 0 cycle, 1 or 2 are not that bad, more than that is skill issues lol

[@Shadow_0736]

@Dsvorn well my acheron got sucked by that arm which took me a lot of time to break it Tho I agree I have a skill issue

[@superserperioryt3108]

For side 1 I used mono quantum QQ and side 2 I used firefly without Ruan mei, with March 7 as replacement and cleared overall in 9 cycles

[@NiCeNuKNaN]

My E2S1 JQ and E2S1 Acheron destroy everything in this MoC, though it takes about 1-2 turns

[@breadman5638]

So basically I'll just have to pull for a 3.0 unit as soon as possible? Damn.

[@the_delusional_dreamer]

By the time 3.0 MoC dropped, the HP would have inflated by FIVE times compared to when the game was launched Although Genshin is a different genre (and alot of you still want to use this as a point), but it took 5 years for Spiral Abyss to inflate by the same amount compared to HSR’s nearly 2 years

[@XbenjaminXL3]

They introducing true damage so gg

[@VioleGrace-fk4li]

We’re cooked especially f2p

[@JunoAndIce]

How is CN clearing with Rappa in 8 Cycles?! Don't they include constellations on that tier list? E1 Rappa can do bananacademic in 2 cycles. Are they putting it on auto or something?

[@grampaseri]

I think CN got cooked by the Firefly marketing and largely refused to pull Rappa for the same niche. HoYo went super hard with the girlfriend experience in CN particularly.

[@Valency_chemfreak]

Lol, not me using dotcheron to clear 1st side with 4 cycles and himeko superbreak 2nd side with 6 cycles... I'm f2p btw (not to brag guys, just honestly shocked). I did feel the effect of the hp on himeko side, almost didn't clear it (gallachad coming in clutch)

[@ZytenEspada]

Fugue literally will make himeko 2 cycle honestly. But I got 5 cycles without her.

[@sakuseihuoshen]

11:00 Cuz of Rappa skippers

[@christopherhu7189]

I was able to kill stage 12 under 10 cycles, but it’s 11 and true sting that’s the real issue

[@17mikeToreno]

Let’s face reality and admit that the Acheron team doesn’t exist; there is only the Jiaocuo team and his servants 😂

[@aliounethiaw1443]

4:15 because of Arumaton, your hwehwe can do nothing against it

[@THEGoncaloPaulino]

Some supports and DPSs are "suffering from success" as Smack would say

[@handrel1]

JQ is for rerun because Feixiao is top priority that time

[@styregt2006]

No intro :c

[@Dafydd4]

Hoyo genuinely trolling making Acheron's best support the most NPC 5 star in the game, actually has to be social experiment.

[@ZenixAce]

Still doesn't look more npc than you. So thats a win

[@ZenixAce]

@melopilled me or that guy?

[@leka2095]

i love jiaoqiu but the first time i saw him in-game i was 100% sure he was a 4 star COOKED

[@orion615]

Id rather have my acheron 5 cycle than pull that npc ahh character

[@alex5623]

"Why won't Hoyoverse make Male 5*'s" they plead "Why is this Male a 5* he looks like an NPC" they scream

[@alex5623]

Absolutely DIABOLICAL content farm but I respect it get those clicks king

[@peppy_24788]

chat pause at 12:16 if u wanna giggle

[@kebabenjoyer1]

I got a 3 cycle first half with E0S1 Yunli, she can cook off element

[@drakehound2244]

It isn't the powercreep, it is most people giving bad advice. now if you are a whale then pulling for all characters is your choice. But for Dolphines and F2P, they are limited to Certain characters. and have to ignore hype, unless they really want those characters. But most important is learning to use characters. Bronya in CN says enough. even with only 5.6% usages rate she comes out ahead of anybody else. Sorry to say you can safely skip Sunday. even in the Summon team for Algeae he isn't needed.

[@LieutenantMerks]

DoT is good because with Ruan Mei it's easy to get DoT users to 161 speed

[@kaede4]

The best I could do as a subscription buyier only is 8 cycle clear: 1st half e0s1 Acheron, e0s1 Robin, e0s1 Aventurine, e6s0 Pela 2nd half e0s1 Firefly, e0s1 Ruan mei, e2s0 MC, e2s0 Gallagher. And that's was diabolicaly annoying, i couldn't pass through until i replaced SW with Robin in Acheron team, and still you can see that i have a bunch of 5* light cons, meaning that for pure f2ps it is even harder... Hoyo, stop

[@Shadow_0736]

Switch sides Acheron absolutely destroys second node

[@kaede4]

@Shadow_0736 I tried but unfortunately it's kinda annoying playing against swarog with break need to management perfect timing to break the shield before his hand spawns

[@XenosZombie]

20:25 it's not only Acheron teams that are sleeping on Jiaoqiu, Yunli currently the best team is Yunli, Huohuo and Robin, with the 4th support being Sparkle, Tingyun or Jiaoqiu, yet Jiaoqiu is mostly slept on even though he provides non overlapping buffs. Sunday also potentially replacing Tingyun and Sparkle because of the action advance and the energy battery which Yunli likes, so I would be curious if Jiaoqiu would be beaten by Sunday or not. That said Sunday's buffs aren't that important for Yunli.

[@adamcobb7892]

I was thinking of running QQ since i dont have an ice dps. I know one thing, when The Herta comes out, my Jades ganna be eating guuuud Off topic but grabbing Kafka (i had swan bc i simply liked her design but coped in thinking dot will make a comeback) over Fox dude is one of the worst choices ive done on my account. Big L

[@peacefulmind1771]

my feixiao cleared in 3 cycles e0s1 completely f2p acc with robin e0s0,topaz e0s0,fu xuan e1s1 and since i have no firefly or anything i cleared 2nd side with himekoE0 with sunday lc/hmc/ruanE0S0/gallaghar all 5 stars e0 without any limited lc which took 7 cycles. I could do it 10 cycles overall as an complete f2p but damn life without firefly/rappa was hard but himeko at least could do it.

[@ZytenEspada]

Himeko about to be T1 when fugue drops tbh. She's that insane for her. T0 in pf again where she rightfully belongs.

[@marcchristianchan-chan3093]

WELTCOME TO MY WORLD~

[@nebula9878]

Nah I would’ve pulled for jiaoqiu but lost the 75/25 to bailu’s lc in huohuo rr 😭

[@Bahamutalee]

Topaz WILL NOT stop winning

[@ZytenEspada]

Moze won not her lmao.

[@Mimic_656]

Nah in 3.x they gonna be release some better supports and she would not be useful in the summon teams bro

[@esaualfaro3447]

If Jiaoqiu was a woman (Yae Miko).... people would still have skipped lmao. Until the rerun after people realize he/she is broken. BTW the character I really really want and I´m sad she skipped me is Lingsha... Queensha.

[@invertbrid]

I would pull tbh, I wanna upgrade my Acheron team but I don't pull dudes so I skipped JQ

[@pumpkinut5314]

People need to realize Hoyo is purposely making bosses to prevent 0 cycles. Aventurine is a perfect example. He has a mechanic which basically forces you to waste turns on his dices therefore cannot 0 cycle.

[@afifsukma]

i clear using acheron e0s1 and himeko superbreak exactly at 20 cycle remaining xD

[@brianwaterman9154]

As a F2P, mentioning Eidolons is an not worth it because the game will punish you for saving Jade and pressure you to pull because you will reach a point where you can't play your current teams. HP inflation on enemies will honestly deter a lot of newer players too.

[@Musashi42069]

Because they want you to nonstop pulling for the new characters

[@orion615]

Proud Joaqui skipper, I ain't pulling bro

[@accelerator9145]

Same I just used Pela with Acheron and never had issues.

[@inferno4165]

@@accelerator9145 and for second nihility?

[@ChrisWilliams-ur7fn]

​@@inferno4165sylvie

[@Hamorich]

​@@inferno4165 either sw or gui for me, Gui is better for current 2nd half. Tho I'm thinking of getting him later on because I heard he can make E0 Acheron function with 1 Nihility + Robin.

[@LeW-tu9ko]

Yea, he looks too much like an npc for me

[@shanaxis9074]

Na people must be playing Jingliu on auto cause how are they clearing so slow.

[@mangasinatanaelpanjaitan3048]

21:00 That's where you're wrong. I won't pull for just any female Foxian to support Acheron. It has to be a Yae expy, and just genderbending JQ won't cut it

[@markgruner5812]

I wanna know who bad these Firefly owners are with Eidolons cause I have E1 Feixiao first side 0 cycle and Firefly side 2 taking 2 cycles, 3 at worst.

[@EmiliaBestWifi]

My E2S1 Firefly with Gallagher can only 2 cycle the Banana boss waa

[@solarenity]

stfu, youre lying. i have e2s1 firefly and it took me almost 7

[@vickdinvick5485]

i think thats good no? those banana fks have like 1 bilion hp, and i did that with boothill lol, imagine the pain but it was my first and only time trying that, have no idea what to expect.. funny thing is, it was first try, thank god my feixiao did first half in 2 cycles, and boots spent 5 or 6 cycles (don recall now) with sustain

[@Gottaloveaxolotls]

@@vickdinvick5485 opposite for me lmao Had a longer first half with Feixiao Robin March and Gallagher and then e2s1 firefly with rappa to do a sustainless 0 cycle the second half

[@vickdinvick5485]

@@Gottaloveaxolotls ohh try moze instead of march, it will be much better, i guarantee, i think if i had aventurine it could be 1 for sure or perhaps even 0 cycle, was using huohuo, moze is really good first half with feixiao

[@skcmoonlord]

Skill issue man. Work at your rotation. This should be easy 0 cycle

[@shotgunshogun4707]

Lingsha is great but not to sound like a hater...she at minimum NEEDS FF...or all enemeis to be fire weak (or imaginary for obvious reasons) by default to even be remotely close to "the fire erudition of superbreak" as we've been labeling her. Remove these 2 factors and she's an inferior gallagher (kind of) cause atleast blud can give more sp and is the best aventurine sub on a robin comp (not just FuA, any robin comp...QpQ is great). She is still a unit of our time no doubt...key word tho...our time. I didn't mention toughness lock enemeis...cause all superbreak are fked into that naturally so she's not alone there. Tho i guess u can run crt with sunday and robin...it's probably rly good with a jade or topaz or smthn like that, so there's that, i guess. But yeah...hypercarry has been fked to all hell and beyond and the only reason feixiao and acheron aren't is cause neither follow traditional hypercarry comps nor function like them. There is only soo much investment u can give a hypercarry dps before u face the need the address their inherent mechanical issues. Case in point, the general...38 different indirect buffs since launch,T0 builds, and supp eidolons...none of that did fk all to em except make em somewhat acceptable. Sunday comes and he's now the honered one? Ye...cause sunday isn't JUST more numbers. Hypercarry dps need either direct reworks and buffs or "indirect" "fixes" from the upcoming supps.

[@arclet9599]

fugue will help DPS lingsha bc the weakness ignore (if I understand the kit correctly). so you don't need firefly. not saying FF is bad ofc, but they don't have to team together

[@shotgunshogun4707]

@arclet9599 I mean...yes, but it's assuming tingyun's values are enough to break the enemey on her own. That's gonna depend on her speed, overall toughness on ult, and her ability to cycle said ult. At that point, ur better off running anything but superbreak if u have to worry about all that on that particular side (again assuming ur not using a FF). Now I agree that she doesn't always need a FF cause as long as u have an aoe breaker, ur good... but how many aoe break specialists do we have?...3...2 of which are fire (FF and himeko). So u have 1 breaker that covers a none fire element. Anything else is brute forcing a none breaker into break. U literally might as well unironically run "Supp FF" ...even if FF still does abundantly more dmg (no pun intended) over the course of a fight but it sure bears praying tingyun break or using a breakgenti into physical (lord, save us if we fall this far lol).

[@zytake]

@@shotgunshogun4707 he meant fugue skill makes lingsha ignore weakness

[@shotgunshogun4707]

@zytake oh...I wasn't aware of that... did they mention that on the stream? Well, in that case, that helps for sure...it's better than going in screaming, yolo. Tho I still feel like you'd rather buff ur main carry and not linghsa...unless if u run double superbreak, then linghsa IS the main carry, lol.

[@lurkera7351]

​@@shotgunshogun4707this is only at 50% efficiency btw so not only ur breaking slower but the break damage is also lowered against non fire units. These "lingsha DPS" propaganda is made by people that don't understand how break works, they see these high numbers bcoz coincidentally see showcases where they trigger the initial break with lingsha so they see inflated numbers.

[@datgladiatah]

Bro if Yunli gets grabbed like just reset cause it's so fucked LOL, who's going to break the hand, hwe hwe?? tingyun?? But also i don't have S1 so it's not like im taunting ;(

[@drakehound2244]

So if are F2P you don't want Super Break teams. cause too many to collect, Firefly Fugue and Linghsa , (himeko takes the last spot soon in a all meta fire team) and want characters that are universal, then you are in luck if you missed Lingsha, Herta 5 star is coming up, pull for her, she can fit in any team and isn't reliant on anybody else. So make sure you don't miss Herta 5 star. those are the characters F2P need to go look for to build a team around. or learn to really play the game min max system.

[@RefugeeNT]

HP inflation is going to be even worse in 3.0 3.0 MOC12 HP(Single) = ~16mil 2.7 MOC12 HP(Single) = ~10mil. #HSRCouldNever #DevsListened lol

[@skcmoonlord]

No way. Probably there's a boss which gets way increased dmg or has shared hp

[@danksouls6128]

@@skcmoonlord I had a "dream", where I am pretty sure the boss has a alternative way to deal damage to them, which does % hp each time the mechanic is done

[@markgruner5812]

Yeah as somebody that checks leaks, it's getting even worse lol.