What They Don't Tell You About The End of the World in D&D - Ragnarok

[@Reddotzebra]

My favorite thing about the infinite staircase is that if you spend enough time traversing it, there is a chance that you will come upon a door that literally, with no trickery whatsoever, leads to your greatest desires. Stepping through that door is basically game over, as whatever you find on the other side, you will not want to leave behind. If you reject the door, however, you will never come upon it again.

[@agsilverradio2225]

But what if your greatest desire specificly includes your current loved-ones being a part of it? Will the door summon your loved ones, and what if their greatest desires conterdict yours?

[@piketheknight2581]

That is quite scary if you think about it

[@mistergiraffe9425]

@@agsilverradio2225 for you perhaps, its possible that its like a duplicate/alternate world with said people. The character is actually UNUSABLE when they cross the door interestingly, and a lot of things have a "can be broken by a Wish spell" clause, this one does not. How it works is, its not actually greatest desire perse (but it is). Its described more as like... the ending of your character's story. The character becomes unusable because it puts them in a place when there's nothing more for them. Think of it as writing a book and officially publishing it with its concrete ending. Its just done. Edit: also important to note that the door only opens to someone who walks alone in the staircase. It has like a DC 18 Wis save to not open the door, and thats pretty low for 3e standards for smth that was in Fiendish Codex I (3.5e demonlords and abyss sourcebook) so Ig its sorta rare anyways

[@LoreFoundry]

Interesting. I'm running curse of Strahd. The party is near the end of the game and may end up at the Amber Temple in the next 5 games. Maybe I can use something like this concept to see if I can kill off a player or two.

[@AriesBozz]

@@LoreFoundry I’m literally just starting Strahd with my players and this is already popping up as ideas

[@jonathancampbell5231]

The reason Loki turns evil in DnD (and in the myths as well) is that the prophecy of Ragnarok was made while he was still a blood brother of Odin (though increasingly rubbing people the wrong way) and the gods turned on his monstrous children as they knew they were prophecised to kill them. Loki was absolutely furious at how his children were being treated because they feared their power and nature, and became ever more malicious out of revenge. There is one particular myth where he shows up to a party and starts mocking and insulting everyone and he brings up the mistreatment of his children as an example of how selfish and hypocritical the Norse gods are. Hel was thrown into the underworld shortly after she was born, and Fenris was tricked into being chained up by being fooled into thinking it was a sort of game (can't remember what happened to the Serpent but it might just have been banished). Loki was always kind of a d*ck who pulled pranks on everyone for his own amusement and was generally pretty amoral, but this infuriated him and he vowed revenge.

[@The_Keeper]

Yup. The serpent more or less just got chucked into the sea...

[@jonathancampbell5231]

@@Rfk551 Nah. In the real.world mythology, EVERYONE knows about Ragnarok and the events leading up to it

[@patrik90a]

Wouldnt say he ever turns evil, the norse gods have always been dicks and he revolts, he is just "evil" in their eyes

[@Tourak]

@@Rfk551 In the real world, the prophecy is recited to the gods by a nameless female seer. She also recite thing like how the world came to be.

[@shishoka]

Then a giant tricks Thor into trying to lift the serpent out of the sea which she apparently doesn't like since he tries it again for hurt pride or something. Then again... he did love snakes...

[@williamrish2736]

My dnd campaigns have benefited massively from your videos. I appreciate the effort and depth you go in to. It’s so amazing to be able to learn so much from each of your videos.

[@dkronikmusic]

I literally post his videos as Lore references for my games. I've even gone as far as allowing someone to watch a video irl, and have them find that knowledge in a dusty book or tome or journal if they nat 20 a certain check looking for info

[@Spiderboydk]

Same here. 5e is so lackluster with lore info.

[@otyugsdisplacerbeasts7943]

Same!

[@JustThatGuy23]

Between him, Pickett, and dungeon dudes you don't need anything. Maybe throw in esper

[@gopro_audio]

100th like on this post!

[@ZoeLycan]

lil fun fact about Loki, on the Norse poems. Loki is the "Mother" of the multi-leg horse.

[@SageSaga25]

I was checking the comments to make sure someone pointed out that loki didn't "bang" a horse- a horse "banged" loki. Well done. XD

[@ZoeLycan]

@@SageSaga25 I believe in other versions/poems he also gave birth to the World Serpent, Fenrir and Hel

[@mikehorne4053]

@@ZoeLycan Loki being the mother of Sleipnir, and father of Fenris, Hel, and Jormungand (world serpent) is fairly universal in the poems.

[@danielstellmon5330]

Wait, the multi-leg horse? Does that mean more than 4 or more than 1? A one legded horse sounds interesting.

[@ZoeLycan]

@@danielstellmon5330 the horse Loki gives birth to has 4 front legs 4 back legs, by the Mythos making it faster than any other horse, so Loki gives this to his father (Odin) as long as NOONE ever asks about the origin of the horse. From that moment uses it as his main war steed. So funny to think Odin rides his Grandson to war

[@jonathancampbell5231]

Ragnarok in DnD is actually very, very faithful to the myths (or versions of the myths anyway). It's not 100% accurate, but they've clearly done their homework. The Norse and Greek pantheons described in "Deities and Demigods" are actually a pretty bang on portrayal of mythology, and to a lesser extent so is the Egyptian.

[@thevashfan12392]

I have a later edition of "deities and demigods" shame that it lacks the 36 missing pages of melnibonean lore but apparently that's "protected" or moreover "forbidden" lore to go over..... durn copyright.

[@joshuarichardson6529]

@@thevashfan12392 The only thing more powerful than the gods of D&D, are the copyright lawyers.

[@thevashfan12392]

@@joshuarichardson6529 wonder what that makes record labels out to be.

[@jonathancampbell5231]

@tlemgr Rulebook is "DnD Deities and Demigods", which is 3rd edition and is more Greyhawk centred. Ao is Forgotten Realms and I believe first appears in the "Time of Troubles", which has novels, a comic and games covering it.

[@conradoccaminha]

Just a correction on Loki: You mentioned, about loki's offspring, that when he bangs ladies, monsters come out. That's wrong in the sense that it doesn't only happen in relationships with women. Idk about the world of d&d, but in the original lore, to fuck the stalion, Loki turned into a mare, and it was he who got pregnant with Odin's horse.

[@andrewohagan2962]

also his children with his god wife were normal gods, it was his offspring with an evil giant that produced Hella, Jormungundr and Fenris

[@Sypossc]

Let.

[@alexinfinite7142]

Imagine looking at your mutant grandson and thinking: Yeah, I'll ride that into battle

[@minnumseerrund]

@@alexinfinite7142 Loki and Odin arent related. That's Marvel-only

[@alexinfinite7142]

@@minnumseerrund oof my mistake

[@xana3961]

As a disclaimer, this is but one of several proposed scenarios in the books. There's about 12 or so. So this is but one of *many* possibilities for doomsday. Feel like MrRhexx should have led this off with or ended it off with that disclaimer.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

What are the others?

[@Doublemonk0506]

@@nicolaezenoaga9756, from the top of my head: Tharizdun, krakens, dracoliches, mind flayers, oberynths take control again, the Elder Evils.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

@@Doublemonk0506 So bad all around. Thanks!

[@mistergiraffe9425]

There's an Abyss legend in 4e's Demonomicon its said that when the Abyss reaches a certain number of demonlords, they will all fight til one remains and the remaining winner becomes the Avatar of the Abyss, they basically tun into the Walking Abyss if you would. Which is fcking horrifying because they'd be BEYOND Deity power, like its common knowledge that even if you could wipe out all the demons, no god could erase the abyss. And this thing basically channels the infinitely-growing, indestructible power of the abyss.

[@Dragondan1987]

He shouldn’t of led with it, because it’s completely irrelevant unless you are some autistic person that needs your hand held all the time… those scenarios are irrelevant to the topic of the video.

[@323starlight]

You know, I think you'll enjoy Overly Sarcastic Productions' videos on Norse myth. Especially her analysis on Loki as he was in the actual myths he came from.

[@zenvariety9383]

Her trope talks are informative. Have you also watched terrible writing advice. The sarcastic bad advice is usually meant to heeded as what not to do when writing.

[@VeRG1L_47]

Red is awesome) Blue is ok too

[@deuscain]

Yeah, that was a really interesting video! :)

[@sono_chi_no_sodium_chlorid7635]

"You can finally play as a dragon" Are you kidding me? I can finally play as an ogre!

[@Gabe600]

with layers like an onion

[@MrRhexx]

hellz yeah brother!

[@leonardogomez8812]

Feast and Fight for the Maw! what do you mean we aren't doing Warhammer ogres?

[@superiorrule34]

No one makes shriek jokes because it’s to easy.

[@thezerowulf2046]

Giants > dragons. Ordning gang rise up

[@323starlight]

Just finished the video, I can understand the confusion surrounding the whole thing, this is kinda the problem when you try to blend so many different mythologies into a single world. I believe it's only referring to the Nordic pantheon since Ragnarok is specifically the Nordic apocalypse.

[@alteryl]

Not to mention that it's kind of a hot mess. The Eddas were not only written 200 years after Snorri's native country of Iceland took up quite fervant christianity, but he was also very close friends with the Kingdom of Norway, which itself had been christian for almost 300 years and was a Christian Monarchy by the 1200's. This is the landscape he wrote the Edda's in. Loki for example has never appeared in any written record before the Eddas, check out OSP's video on Loki for some interesting theories on him, there are some that believes that he is an analogue for Jesus to be reborn in the new world where the Norse mythology dies after Raknarok and is replaced by Christianity.

[@323starlight]

@@alteryl I have actually seen that video analysis. Personally I prefer the theory that Loki was a mischievous hearth god.

[@Tourak]

@@alteryl Christian have used that analogy, that Ragnarok is meant to represent Christianity, but it doesn't hold the water when you consider that other norse gods survive the event. Imo, the Norse mythology was meant to be cyclical.

[@VeRG1L_47]

Great to see some Red & Blue watchers)))

[@mattd7695]

I love apocalypse stories, sure it's sad to see something you and your freinds built destroyed. But at the same time it's a thrilling and heartwrenching adventure that dosen't let ya go. Great video as always 😀

[@zenith110]

A big thanks for bringing some attention to the Dragon Age verse's lore! I love that series to pieces!

[@charlessaintpe8574]

In actual Norse Mythology, Baldr and his mother Frigg dreamt that he would die, so Frigg went around and got every object to vow not to harm him except mistletoe. Some time later, Baldr was showing off his invulnerability by having the gods throw stuff at him. Loki, knowing his weakness, gave a mistletoe spear to the blind god Hođr, Baldr's brother. Hođr threw the spear at Baldr and killed him. After the funeral, Frigg convinced Hel to release Baldr if everyone in the world wept for him. Loki, disguised as a giantess, refused to weep. This did not start Ragnarok, nor was it the reason Loki was imprisoned. Loki went around slandering the gods, and they eventually captured and bound him due to that. He was bound beneath a snake who would drip painful venom on him. His wife collected the venom in a bowl to stop it from falling on him, but sometimes she had to empty the bowl, and the poison would hit him, and he would writhe in agony. This is why we have earthquakes according to Norse myth. The actual first sign of Ragnarok will be when the wolves Skoll and Hati, who chase the sun and moon across the sky, catch their quarry. They will devour the sun and moon, casting the world into three years of winter, the Fimbulwinter, at the end of which Ragnarok will occur. Edit: Vali was not born to kill Loki. No-one knew Loki was to blame. Vali was born to kill Hođr.

[@justicedemocrat9357]

wait, so frigg asked the mistletoe not to harm his son and the mistletoe said 'no'?

[@charlessaintpe8574]

@justicedemocrat9357 no, mistletoe was too young to make a binding oath. Sorry, shoulda mentioned that.

[@justicedemocrat9357]

How old does a plant have to be to make an oath? Also, she didn't ask again when the plant was older?

[@justicedemocrat9357]

Also, why didn't Loki's wife bring two bowls so there's a spare one to catch the venom while she is emptying out the full one? Also if the wolves devour the sun why will there only be 3 years of winter shouldn't it be a permanent winter without the sun?

[@charlessaintpe8574]

@justicedemocrat9357 I reckon Loki's wife isn't too bright, because there are plenty of better ways to solve that problem. After 3 years of winter they have Ragnarok, the final battle. After the battle, only a few gods survive, led by Frey, and only two humans survive (or the gods create new humans, I don't remember which) and their names are Ask and Embla. The world kinda starts over from that point, and presumably they make a new sun and moon, or dig the old ones out of the corpses of Skoll and Hati.

[@KefkaCasselstone]

in my Homebrew world, which uses alot of the same outerplanes gods and lore. Odin, always seeking to control fate and destiny, sought out prophesys and knowledge of the future and saw ragnarok, and what major players were involved, and while Loki was a blood brother, many of his children were harbingers of that end, an end he sought to prevent. so he had them bound, almost cruelly so. Loki, who was, mischivous at best, would slowly take umbrage to these insults to his children, and his festering anger and hatred was what slowly made his tricks more and more malicious. by the time of Baldr, Loki had fully given into his anger and sought to strike back at the gods. Loki does orchistrate events that cause the giants to invade, and the release of his children, with the help of his wife who stayed by his side and collected the venom from the snake in a bowl to offor some ease to him. This is just our homebrew's interpretation of corse, but in the timeline, it results in "The Schorching of the Material plane" which becomes a Dark Souls like "Dark Sun" setting after Ragnarok.

[@cgreen7157]

The difference between Ysgard and the Abyss is a little more pronounced that the author of the video described. There is true malice in the Abyss and it pervades everything. In Ysgard, malice between rivals is much diminished, if not completely absent. Even if you lose, you are respected if you still show bravery, and given a place, however humble, in the ranks of those you serve. Rivals don't necessarily hate each other and sometimes even like each other. In other words, true malice is largely absent.

[@bjarnivalur6330]

Funny little fact about Freys' sword. In the poems, the sword was considered to be one of the grates swords ever made, It could even fight on its own for you. *_But,_* the reason why Frey didn't have Gram with him is because he used it as payment for Gerðs hand in marriage.

[@ragna6410]

Again awesome video. My hopes for the Platinum dragon Video is still there.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

ALL HAIL BAHAMUT! MEY HE GUIDE US TO A PERFECT WORLD WITH HE'S WISDOM!

[@Mori-Jin]

Sure. Why not?

[@firetarrasque4667]

I love the idea that Thrymn isn't even involved with Ragnarok. He just wakes up one day to see everything on fire and goes "Hey what the *fuck"* and freezes it.

[@Micaerys]

Amazing video!! About Vali: there's actually two of them! One of them is the son of Loki and his wife Sigyn, the one who gets transformed in wolf and kills his own brother Narfi. The other Vali is the son of Odin and a giant called Rinda/Rindr, and indeed, he is born solely to avenge (although later they give him some divine attributions beyond that) The thing with Norse mythology is that some names are repeated (there's a giant called Utgard-Loki, and the father of the personification of night is sometimes called Narfi) but for the Vali situation there's also a bit of confusion because apparently there's a text that was interpreted a bit messy so it's like "blablabla Vali involved in Narfi's death blablabla" but it's unclear if it means Vali Odinson doing the revenge or if it's the name of Loki' s now wolf son

[@bpopsicle4898]

You have brought a wealth of knowledge into an easly understandable format. Good on you brother. I hope lots are helped by your work.

[@TheLokiel]

In real Norse mythology, Baldr is supposed to just resurrect at the end of the world (probably because Hel was not around anymore to keep him prisoner) and rule the world with the surviving gods.

[@jonathancampbell5231]

That's actually true in DnD as well

[@grimnir8872]

Not ressurect; He rides out of Helheim when the doors are opened and rejoins the battle, turning the tide of Rangarnok and leading the survivors to hide within the bowls the world tree.

[@TheLokiel]

@@grimnir8872 he is dead, escapes the Land of the Dead and rejoins the living. That’s a resurrection.

[@Michael-du2fv]

Sounds like Balder is the one who benefits the most from Ragnarok, maybe he's the mastermind and Loki is just a pawn to take the blame....

[@dracorex426]

Well yeah. Loki dies, which means every living thing had wept for Baldr, thus the bargain is fulfilled.

[@RIlianP]

I think Loki kilning Baldur (I prefer Baldr) is somewhat one of those warped myths that were created during the Scandinavian Christianization, I am not saying that is not the case in the original Norse myths but the Christians really had a hard on for making Loki a parallel to Satan (in most cases the Christian missionaries just absorbed the local customs instead of banning them thus mitigating the most of the rebellions that might have occurred otherwise, making exceptions for most of the fertility holydays with some exceptions that survived for quite a while before getting banned) and in what survived in older myths Loki is not as nearly as bad or cruel as the later myths that were "recorded" during the Christianization. The one with more cruel sense of humor and a real love for disproportional punishment in the older myths was Odin for some reason, he was the mightiest god but at the same time a real douchebag.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

I guess the moral was power corrupts.

[@Reddotzebra]

My personal favorite is still when Loki tricks Odin into thinking that Freya will sleep with anyone who returns her magical necklace. (This is BS of course, and hilarity ensues.)

[@TacticalReaper56]

His hubris is what ultimately kills him correct? Would make sense if odin is the asshat of the story AllFather, Wise one, High one dude was DRIPPING in pride.

[@grimnir8872]

@@TacticalReaper56 Odin wasn't dripping in pride, on the contrary, he had absolutely no sense of self-dignity. He practiced female sedir magic, which in Norse mythology was literally punishable by death, yet Odin could do it purely because he was the top dog, and anyone who crossed him usually ended up royally dead. Odin had several stewards like Ullr and Tyr specifically because he was off wandering. He was like this because he was finding everything and ANYTHING that can stop Ragnarok. For clarity, Zeus was the same, Zeus was fucking women not out of pleasure but because he was told by the fates that his Son is the one that will stop the titanomancy, the return of the titans, but in turn will overthrow Zeus; So Zeus spent ages trying to birth a son strong enough to help kill the titans for good, but not strong enough to overthrow him, most people think this son is Heracles.

[@justnoob8141]

@@grimnir8872 it was Ares, isn't it?

[@0_Body]

Nidhogg: We had one Ragnarok yes but what about 2nd Ragnarok

[@ximec.r.2643]

Wow, that was an intense video. It was so much cooler than reading it. with the music, images and your voice. And Loki might actually have a reason to go for Ragnarok, if Odin did to all of Loki's children what he did in norse mythology. I felt a lot of sympathy for Fenrir, Jorgundarg and Hel for being punished for crimes 'fated'. I think it's a case of a self-fulfilling prophesy, Fenrir in particular was tricked by using his trust in a friend to be tied down in chains and then betrayed. If I had any love for my kids I would hate Odin's guts.

[@arykaas]

Well I'll be damned .... I did not read the full title before full-screening the video, so I only knew it was about "The End of the World in D&D". Only when Rhexx said "an axe age, a sword age", I started to sing the chorus of "Prophecy of Ragnarok" from Brothers of Metal , but then Rhexx continue and basically paraphrase the end of the chorus (I'll paste it a the end of the comment) I was all like WAAAAAit a minute , and saw the FULL title ......... well played mister, well played :D - The Chorus in question : (Axe time, sword time) Gods go under (Wind time, wolf time) Death to all (Axe time, sword time) Shields are sundered (Wind time, wolf time) Worlds will fall

[@The_Keeper]

21:36 No, you've got it ass backwards. *Loki* too the shape of a filly, to distract a Jotun/giant stallion and, well, he distracted it alright. The result of the "distraction" was Sleipnir. Apparently Loki, for some reason, never resorted to female shapes after that particular screw-up... :P

[@KnightofLightfire]

Not true, other Aesir occasionally mocked him for having given birth to the children of mortals and many motherless sons were seen as the children of Loki

[@celarc99]

Read the 3.5e Gods and Deities book. He *clearly states* at the beginning he isn't talking about the real norse mythology, but the specific mythos attached to the D&D pantheon. He explains it perfectly, following the descriptions given there.

[@redfogwhitefrost2583]

it's always a pleasant surprise to see you've uploaded more dnd content. this one really did turn out to be very interesting. can't wait for part 2

[@AGS363]

21:38 Fun Fact: In the original norse story he turned into the female horse.

[@Panda_Roll]

"Loki once banged a horse and from it came a baby horse with 8 legs" ... Sorry to brake it to you, but the lady horse in that particular one WAS loki. The baby horse came out of him, well, her at the time.

[@The_Keeper]

I guess thats the reason Loki apparently didn't take female again form after that...

[@nigelthornberry3568]

@@The_Keeper yep

[@Panda_Roll]

@@The_Keeper Oh he did, multiple times! Guess it was an experience like no other XD

[@WillMoff0]

I love your videos! I've been playing D&D for 28 years, and still learn stuff from them.

[@Varizen87]

It's very possible for Loki and Odin to both be the parents of Vali. Loki was Sleipnirr's MOTHER, not Father. He had a penchant for turning into female creatures. As a trickster god, it's not beyond the realm of reason that Loki messed around with Odin in the form of a woman.

[@Otaku_Reaper]

Man all of these videos on the different planes are going to be crucial for my homebrew new sigil campaign.

[@phillipbernhardt-house6907]

It's not a misprint! In Norse myth, there are two divine beings called Vali: one is a son of Loki (that you mentioned as being "minor"), who is turned into a wolf and kills Nari/Narfi his brother, and Nari/Narfi's entrails are then used to bind Loki; and one is a son of Odin that avenges the death of Baldr by killing Hodr and then binds Loki. While the "gay romance" idea that you suggested is potentially present (Loki did get around, and being a "blood brother" in some medieval cultures often meant more than we think it does!), it's not what is going on in this particular case in most understandings. These are two separate characters with the same name. That happens a great deal in both Norse and Irish myth, amongst many others.

[@rhuiah]

New item for D 'n D bucket list: dump a box of teleporting, self-replicating slinkies down the infinite stairwell.

[@themuzzy2020]

This just gave me a delightful (and probably unoriginal) idea on how to structure the cosmology of my own setting. Thanks Rhexx!

[@VelociraptorsOfSkyrim]

Yeah, same here. XD

[@XyerDark]

Your vids are always a great help in shaping the setting for players and DMs. Since this isn't the first time you mention real myths and pantheons from our world, do you have any plan to cover greek/roman ones? I've had a hard time finding anything on it (except for Theros obviously, which is its own thing), and I'd love to know more or even just be pointed toward where I could learn more.

[@Silver-Spartan]

I cannot express how BADLY I needed this second book for playable monster classes! I’m prepping my first ever D&D campaign as the DM and your book on dragons has been nothing but stellar inspiration! Topping it off with a video on the multiversal endtimes simply made my day even better 😎✨

[@YeaItsMeMatt89]

Dragon's Age: Origins One of my favorite games of all time. Grey Wardens are badasses

[@Reddotzebra]

My personal favorite is still that colorful clarification about the inscription that the gods themselves watch over the temple of sacred ashes... "It sounds better than 'Snorri toiled for many a year perfecting this curious contraption which projects a sharpened spike up the arse of the unbeliever...'"

[@chaosgyro]

Depending on which origin you choose the Wardens either seem awesome, or like worthless douchebags. I remember thinking Duncan deserved everything he got, and then some, when playing as a human noble, but as a city elf or mage he comes off much differently.

[@superfrans100]

I wish I was half as thorough in my daily life as you are in your videos. Like holy damn you never cease to amaze :3

[@tinkerjae]

Yo dude you're still uploading! Loved your Skyrim stuff back in the day, glad to see you're still doing what you love man! Keep it up!

[@VeRG1L_47]

Happy to know that you're alive... Was a bit nervous without any posts...

[@rpghorrorstories]

I've noticed that Primordials in DND seem to have a lot in common with the Giants of Norse mythology. Maybe that's why Surtur and Thrym survive, because while people might think they're gods, they're not actually.

[@TeodorGeorgiev]

You know what dragon you haven’t done a video on? Drakes is love one. They’re little wingless versions of their parents. Also the more is kinda weird as I understand it (they have no autonomy?) so something cool to uncover from earlier editions hopefully

[@TeodorGeorgiev]

Haha I have no idea what autocomplete did with "is love one" but the point is drakes.

[@Tyrannosaurus_Hec]

the skyrim soundtrack is a nice touch.

[@idontno6d105]

I would like to see a DnD campaign taking place after the events of Ragnarok where Asgard/Ysgard has burned but the multiverse is yet to be destroyed by Nidhog or someone else taking the throne of Asgard while the pantheon is still weak. They could try and destroy Nidhog using some of the other overpowered weapons in the multiverse or try to find the Norse pantheon in the Astral Plane and bring them back. I also think that if the blood war ended, the first place the winning side would go is to Ysgard through the roots in Hades. This video alone which isn't even the main Ysgard video shows that Ysgard is probably the most tactically significant plane in the Multiverse, which is unexpected for a plane of its alignment (the ones that don't exactly correlate to an alignment like Lawful Good or Chaotic Evil tend to not be as important or recognized, I've noticed) edit to continue thought: it's things like that that make Planescape really interesting. No plane is 'filler,' each has a place and purpose in the multiverse, and each has interesting characteristics that are worth exploring. Planescape is such a rich setting because they give you so many unique settings to explore and ways that connect them all. I've yet to see any other setting like it because each usually has to be grounded in a reality with concrete rules and finite space, but Planescape doesn't have that, and it allows for so much creativity both inherent in the setting, in the gaps it leaves for the DM to fill, and in the adventures that can take place in it.

[@jdizzy192]

Small correction, Slipnir wasnt just Lokis child, Loki was the mother. Father was still a horse tho

[@PapaWolfDogZeus]

Thank God! A new lore drop! I was starting to get the shakes

[@lgbel3950]

yeah... I'm pretty sure the horse banged Loki actually...

[@wimfranken826]

Don't know about the dnd version but in the norse version i only ever heard him being the mother of sleipnir.

[@doctorjay8673]

I did a revamped Lost Mines of Phandelver but it was a Norse myth campaign that lasted about 2 years. Black Spider was still the villain, and Fenrir and I made him the son of Loki. He killed his own dad in Jotunheim to take his place in Ragnarok. The entire battle was insane, a player turned into a dragon, Black Spider summoned an illusory dragon which then he turned physical with magic. He got killed in one shot by a PC monk who did over 300 damage saving another player and his spirit merged with Fenrir. The party literally had to wish Fenrir away from existence, which broke the timeline into three parts all of which house separate campaigns I run in this clusterfuck of a universe I made. It was truly amazing to end a campaign of 2 years like that.

[@thepopemichael]

The thing about Ragnarök is that it's circular. It's just what happens at the end of an age. "Rock fall, party dies" then everyone rolls up a new character. It's happened countless times before, and will happen countless times again. This was one of the more fascinating concepts that I studied when I was going for my doctorate in philosophy. We all think that time is an arrow when, in reality, it's a circle according to a lot of cultures.

[@grimnir8872]

Indeed, the point of Norse myth is Odin is trying to STOP the cycle, but is destined to fail.

[@thepopemichael]

@@grimnir8872 Kinda like that one episode of Supernatural when they keep trying to prevent Dean from dying, and it was not working.

[@Spacecowboymo]

I started out here years ago watching your elder scrolls lore videos, and the lore train keeps chugging along! Love your videos!

[@lmao2351]

Love the good ol' skyrim music

[@andrewsettle2323]

This man is using Skyrim music. Thought we wouldn't notice, but we did. Love it. Thank you.

[@youtuberdisguiser6075]

Been waiting for a new video for quite sometime. Thank you.

[@bruhverlybruh4012]

If I were to guess, perhaps Loki resents the god of beauty because he is loved by everyone and Loki is not between his mischief and the divination which would make some spite him by default.

[@0_Body]

A typo? Sounds like another one of Loki's tricks!

[@KimAlmighty1]

Odin do have the ability to change gender..

[@The_Keeper]

@@KimAlmighty1 Really? I thought that was more Loki's thing... although that backfired on him. But still, Odin got a kick-ass mount out of it.

[@KimAlmighty1]

@@The_Keeper in actual Norse myth odin has turned himself into a woman dont remember why i think it was to spy on freya but arent sure was a long time ago but odin changing gender kinda stuck with me.

[@drarsen33]

Seeing how strategically valuable this realm is one would expect each and every realm would march to battle once all prophecies of fates are fulfilled. Ragnarok would just be round 1. Prophecies cant be stopped so it is senseless to throw your armies in there just to fail because of prophecy.For instance anyone fighting Odin would be doomed to fail to kill him as wolf has to eat him etc.

[@jacobthurmond6210]

NGL hearing MrRhexx with Skyrim music brings me a good sense of nostalgia.

[@stanleyholmes1266]

So why did Odin and everybody else obsess so much about the one son guy and not have a darn to give about anyone else? Some massive mental compulsion effect? Sounds like what would happen if somebody's marysue selfinsert got killed (by the editor) and the author then threw a fit with all of the other characters.

[@jonathangrant6835]

I have never been more excited for the next video

[@Heyyaka]

NEW MRRHEX VIDEO?? My life just got better

[@Taygon45]

I heard that the Lore isn't very fleshed out but I want to know where and what Eilistraee's realm is in this plane. If it was even spoken about. What I read about made it sound like her home there was underground and constantly warmed by underground hotsprings.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

I doubt it given how the plane is kinda evil (I DON'T CARE what the chart says). Like ,,the weak have no right to live'' sort of vibes and her treatment of drow shows that she stands for the helping of the troubled and misfortuned.

[@Taygon45]

@@nicolaezenoaga9756 I never got that vibe from it. "The weak have no right to live" sounds antithetical to the plane's 'law' that the loser should honor it. If it is the law of the plane that the loser honors the results of a test of strength, that means they need to be alive to honor it. That is already not 'the weak shant live'. That stands to reason that it is also dishonorable to kill someone you have already proven yourself better to, and thus the Plane and its denizens won't accept you. That isn't evil to me. That's a bunch of drunk warriors having fun and punching the teeth in of anyone that doesn't play fair.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

@@Taygon45 I think I didn't express myself how I should've. Sorry! What I actually meant was the plane seems to be about ,,if your not strong enough your going to live in misery, if your not strong enough to stand up for yourself your rights are not going to be respected'', meaby not to the same extent as Gahana or Bator but still a moderate amount. At least that's what I took from it.

[@Taygon45]

@@nicolaezenoaga9756 I still disagree. This plane is rules by strength, but there should still be community. And as said in the video, the strong lead and those who were shone to be weaker follow them. That implies that while the strong is placed on top and the weaker respects the stronger, that doesn't mean they are subjugated to a life of hell. It just means they were shown who to follow, and if this Norse plane is anything like the real world Valhalla then they are still a band of warriors that stick together. The leadership might just change depending on who's strongest. As I said before, where is the 'honor' is making somone's life miserable just because they lost an arm wrestling match to you? In a community based around strength, sure, it means they are fit to lead, but to subjugate again seems antithetical to the loser honoring the winner, and the winner honoring the loser's right to challenge them again some time down the line. That's evil. Even if you already won, keeping others from winning later by starving and beating them endlessly is no less evil then the backstabbing that demons do.

[@nicolaezenoaga9756]

@@Taygon45 I guess I just don't like the mentality of might make's right.

[@lorossilvers3490]

"Heavens have spirits" I AM BYTOPIA.

[@tyrannicaltypomichaeltester]

Always love Some Norse Mythology.

[@Gashren]

21:42 Are you sure it was Loki who "banged the horse"? I recall it being the other way 'round, as the Loki transformed into a mare (female horse) to distract the stallion of a giant that was to built the wall around Asgard, so that the work will not be done in time (and the gods would not need to pay the giant). Long story short, Logi gave birth to the Sleipnir, so it wasn't technically from his "seed". (see also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sva%C3%B0ilfari)

[@triumphoverdeath]

I have never played DnD but i love all the lore the world has it is very interesting to me. Love the videos!

[@backonlazer791]

If I'm not mistaken, in the actual Norse myths Loki didn't bang a horse, he got banged by one. He turned into a mare in order to distract a stallion who was helping its master in building a wall around Asgard (there's a bit more complicated reason behind this). After Loki's "dealings" with the stallion he gave birth to Sleipnir some time later.

[@autisticallyaccurate]

Awesome, Bravo, I wish that I can compose videos like you one day soon enough!

[@Eramiserasmus]

Appreciate the amount of lore I learn from your videos.

[@brandonprescott5525]

"If you know Norse mythology or more likely have seen the Marvel movies..." Ragnarok can not come soon enough.

[@andyenglish4303]

Ragnarok was 5 years ago, and if you missed it it's streaming on Disney Plus.

[@KomradeCPU]

@@andyenglish4303 makes even more sense

[@minnumseerrund]

32:30 Both Odin and Loke have a son called Vale. Odin's son is the one prophecized to avenge Odin by slaying Fenris. Loke's Vale is the one who is turned into a wolf who then kills his brother, Narfe, the entrails of whom Loke is bound with.

[@lucaalduino-kq9ww]

Might makes right is a big part but what differentiates Ysgard from the Abyss is fellowship. That’s why they don’t stab each other in the back. It’s fellowship.

[@TDuBs97]

I’m a huge god of war fan and recently got into a bunch of theory videos for the upcoming game that should be centered around ragnorak so this was really cool to see the dnd version of it rather than the liberties the people at Santa Monica studios put into the story. Great videos though rhexx keep em comin!(:

[@sciverzero8197]

For the curious... The thing about real world mythology... Its NOT consistent. That's especially true for Norse, a mythology we only know about because some guy _400 years_ after norse religion(s) was _completely_ dead, decided to write down the folktales from his youth, and one other document which was another historian's compilation of poetry. Neither of these sources is FROM the era in which those stories were being told, and since it was an oral tradition, there are very vanishingly small numbers of actual first party sources of writing for.... anything norse. I mean like... Less than paragraphs. We have a few not-even-proper-sentences of writing from the norse age that can be considered original sources... and they only allude vaguely to things... often things that weren't recorded in either of our larger sources from centuries later. Moreover, even the tales in the poetry and prose we have from later period... don't match up. Sometimes they don't even match up within the same source. Similarly, one of the historical-historians who recorded the stories, has a very visible obvious need to make the stories fit his own world view rather than simply reflecting what was actually true of the stories. What we do know about Loki is that he is a shape-and-sex-shifter, He was a mare when he gave birth to Sleipnir. It is also true that he is blood brothers with Odin. Loki is also usually the one who gets tasked with doing any sort of underhanded thing the gods want done, which are MANY, and most of the time Loki does this without asking why or for recompense. He has also been known to play the fool, going so far as to injure himself for the amusement of one of the Aesir women when she was sad... which he did without prompting. Loki frequently accompanies the gods when they go on some errand or another, seemingly just to be doing something. Loki doesn't seem to have much in the way of malice... he really seems more like that friend you've got who has a bad habit of trolling everyone, but also is always there to lend a hand... at least in his own way anyway. Baldr was immune to damage from any source except what was mistletoe, because his mother made everything in existence swear an oath not to harm him, and it did... except for mistletoe which was too young to make an oath. Loki... I guess, thought it would be amusing for Hodr, his own brother who could know no better, to kill Baldr accidentally with the one thing that could actually do so. The gods had a common pass-time of throwing and hitting Baldr with weapons and such, as a game, because he was invulnerable. Hodr's slaying of his brother Baldr, required that he be executed for the fratricide. (Blame seems to fall on the _hand_ that did the act, not the instigator that caused the act to be done, in Norse society. It comes up a LOT). This did still also lead to (a bunch of conflicting stories about how) Loki being punished as well for his treachery. There is at least one source of myth that claims Loki had a son named Vali, however norse mythology also makes frequent references to _different people_ who have the same name, and it is seemingly meant to be just another person with that name more often than not.... norse mythology as we have record of... is also rife with mistakes which we KNOW are transcription mistakes, because they contradict the immediately previous statement in the same thought, so it is also possible that this Vali is just misattributed to Loki, exactly like you thought it might be a typo in the D&D book. Norse mythology also loves to just go on for pages at a time listing names, without context for who they are or why they're being mentioned. It also uses different names for the same people, in order to better _alliterate_. Odin is known by many many many different names, most of which he admits are aliases of his when he goes in disguise to... seemingly do nothing more than make people sacrifice themselves in his name, so he can have more soldiers between him and his death at Ragnarok. He also loves to hurl insults at his son Thor for no apparent reason, in disguise as a mortal man... who is described as looking in no way different from how he normally does. Odin in the mythology seems to fit better the trickster we all think of as Loki, while Loki fits better a more classical description of trickster, in that he is usually a chaotic element that makes a story not simply be "they all said they would do a thing, and then they did a thing, and that thing was done, the end." (Which does come up in norse a lot too. Norse doesn't seem to care about imparting morals or wisdom... a lot of it is just there to be there it seems... at least from what we have record of.)

[@agsilverradio2225]

5:35 And that's why I actually agree with Therusdune when it comes to keeping the planes seperated.

[@jmhaugen4757]

How to head off Ragnorak and save "the world": 1. Use Infinite Staircase, go back/forward in time to just before Ragnorak starts. 2. Start pestering Nidhogg. 3. Enrage Nidhogg such that he comes after you. 4. Pull a matador trick, and get Nidhogg to chomp Yggdrassil. 5. Yggdrassil dies, no longer connecting the multiverse. 6. No armies can reach Ysgard. 7. Activate your Hail Mary artifact to teleport away before Nidhogg eats you. 8. Run to Sigil, as the entire Norse pantheon now wants to murder for the destruction of Yggdrassil. 9. Spend the rest of your days getting drunk and telling everyone who'll listen how you saved existence.

[@justinjohnson2802]

Yessss new MrRhexx videos give me life

[@Lepppy]

Wasn't the story of Baldur that his mother heard a prophecy about his death, so she travelled everywhere making everyone/everything forge that pact not to hurt him. But Loki tricked/convinced her not to forge the pact with mistletoe and that's why Baldur was weak to it?

[@abiroabellalla781]

Again another great great ammmazing video from "MrRhexx" like always.. he did it in purpose beeing so generous and kind ... knowing what i want and need... i mean he already is an exellent content maker of d&d but this video is just on another level for me... thanks a lot again i appreciate it... i finished the video and still thinking about it and i know i'll be replying some parts if it over and over for the next days.. he gave us all the information we want to know the what? and the why?... psychology of the plane and it's inhabitants.. where is this comparing to that?.. who's the strongest and who folows who and why? Aaand how?... i cannot ask for more... By the way he revealed some great secret that have been hidden for thousands of years(one of them is that arabs have been beeing posessed by "ysgatd" genes befor centuries the prophet mohamed was born and are still posessed me included and not only them barbarian also and soo many ) ...the illustrations and photos are literaly from another world... he answred all the questions that i had and didn't find the answer till now!... sir please please keep making such great videos...

[@guanglaikangyi6054]

I remember you mentioned Asmodeus was bidding his time on the 9th Hell, waiting for Ragnarok. Where does he fit in? Is he the worm?

[@tzuedespeaks9092]

Intent. The Plane senses intent. It makes itself easy to conquer. Specifically to entrap and destroy anyone who was anti-existance. Considering all the pathways..Surprising the ShadowFell (Shadow Step you made a video on before) isn't mentioned.

[@cmelton6796]

The quiet Skyrim music really works here. Great choice.

[@anonymouskitten4715]

A video on the far realm would be cool

[@hakuzoable]

Gotdamnit Imma bout to buy those rulebooks. I hope at some point you can make these into hard covers or paper backs.

[@astarianaira6968]

In the Forgotten Realms setting, the World Tree was destroyed as part of the Spellplague in 4E. I haven't found anything conclusive stating if AO's Second Sundering restored it but I'm assuming it's back now since the Ethereal and Elemental planes that were also destroyed at the same time have since been restored.

[@Vandelberger]

As a modern heathen, you need to listen to more Amon Amarth...or Heilung if you like to vibe and chill.

[@mynameisd2849]

Why the last good plane, what about elysium, arborea and arcadia?

[@adambielen8996]

He said the last good plane before you get too Limbo. As in it is last one in the spectrum. If he continues the voting then the next plane would be the one of our choice.

[@WisdomThumbs]

This will be great for traveling back in time to make my “Horns of Valhalla” oneshots even more exciting.

[@kly8105]

"a lot of it sounds premeditated by loki" 26:00 That sounds unrealistically simple, let me give you a fanfic of what could have happened to trigger ragnarok. Odin was jealous of Baldr, he was the one doing all the labor for his realm and protecting the most important/dangerous realm, while his brother was the one getting everything even invulnerability. He was probably even jealous of Loki for whatever reason, maybe about how free he was and how he got around, he basically lived in the shadow of people who had lower jobs than him. So just like how Schnee tried to pin the murder of her own husband on her daughter, Odin devised a plan to frame Loki for the murder of Baldr, he probably either impersonated him or enchanted him, meanwhile it was Odin himself who broke Loki himself, Loki couldn't break himself free because he was in such constant pain that he was rendered helpless and immobile. Therefore Odin tried to remove his shackles of governing the one thing he couldn't discard, his pride as the strongest lord of the most powerful realm, hence Odin was always just a narcisistic egotistical maniac who framed his two brothers out of secret spite, and to get rid of the job he didn't want while mantaining the status quo. And being Odin he found it easy to obfuscate the truth even to the fates, or maybe he promised them something. Also considering he literally has enough daughters and sons to fill an entire realm, having Odin convince one of their children to collude against Loki, or impersonate Loki to trick a dummy spawn of Loki into unassumingly framing Loki, well these are gods, Schnee isn't necessarily the most devious, nor Shar for that matter (i mean i still think Cyric is more devious than Shar). Hell if Loki was really imprisoned by Odin after framing him, when Odin releases Loki, it necessarily isn't Loki anymore. (and yeah i know Loki can shapeshift in a way that can fool gods, but who knows, maybe Odin does something like creating a magical artifact to steal Loki's powers from him) My point is "Fates: guys, Loki goes bad someday and triggers Ragnarok in the future for some unknown reason, trust me okay?" "Sybils: Yeah Ragnarok happens but i can't see why" and then "Loki: yeah sure why not, sounds fun" is kind of weird if there is no framing involved.

[@justinrazon7200]

So... if I'm in front of my PC and use the Bifrost to go to the bathroom, it will take me at minimum 1 hour to get there? There's a lesson here. Avoid using interdimensional godly apparatuses to go to the bathroom.

[@bigles025]

great video, glad to hear you again...Here to humbly ask about once again for a video about Sigil :D

[@FirstLast-wk3kc]

They make him a male horse in the sleipnir story? Shit. In mythos HE shapeshifted into a FEMALE horse and GAVE BIRTH.

[@KatrinEgilsdottir]

Tihr was trying to steal a silmaril from Morgoth's crown

[@HawaiiAdventures808]

this needed to be addressed , great video

[@steeebs6609]

Its MY sleepover and I get to pick the movie

[@baruk9706]

It would be so cool if Asmodeous was involved with all this. Like he was the one that swayed Loki to complete evil and it turns out Asmodeous is actually Nidhogg, the devouring snake, in a little bit of makeup.

[@Hjorth87]

For those interested in the Norse Mythology, the comics Valhalla is a very good, popular culture, introduction to it. I don't know id they have been translated to English, but the cartoon from 1986 definitely has.

[@Fallkhar]

About the whole Sleipnir situation. I don't know about DnD lore but in the sagas it is implied that actually Loki gets banged by a horse. He transforms into a beautiful mare to distract the horse of a giant who built the wall of Asgard. And then later Loki gives birth to Sleipnir

[@plantsoup6456]

Skyrim music? In a Mrrhexx video? Man that takes me back…

[@agsilverradio2225]

Yep. Definently the pvp surver of the upper planes. Everyone's constantly trying to kill each other, but they all undersrand it's a game and they will all respawn, and nobody likes a cheater.