WAGON BUILDING (IS IT WORTH BOTHERING?) ON FARMING SIMULATOR 25?!

[@uncle_zlivo]

Worth an extra like for the breaking and entering using a tractor. :D

[@SinkyYT]

I really don't understand why Giants didn't make it Amish carts. That would make more sense, especially on the American map.

[@silentgamer666]

Religion. That's why.

[@SinkyYT]

@@silentgamer666 True. I never thought of it that way.

[@stormchaserscoots]

Because of where the game makers are. Also not really a American map. Farms dont look like this in the U.S.

[@alceees]

Ah, americans always think everything is centered around USA :P

[@johnbarley8525]

Clever Trick with the tractor.👍🏻 The yacht on Silverrun worked the same. But I have to say I preferred the boat lunch at 14:00h once its completed. And you only needed to make 3 yachts to break even

[@Feldynn]

Great video, MrSealyP, thank you for doing all the maths and spending the time to see this through for us! For me what this shows is the wagon building is roughly equivalent to a middle or end game "side quest" production, for me I'd think by the time I can afford to safely spend nearly half a mil on the facility itself I would already have one or more productions to make the required ingredients which would offset the cost of buying some pallets. The reason I call it a "side quest" production is that it's really not a necessary one, it's that sort of end of chain production I'd want to do as a sort of story goal for a playthrough but it's not one I'd consider as a means of direct income like say a sawmill or spinnery would be. I do think leasing productions like this one specifically would be a fantastic thing for GIANTS to do, it would be effectively like hiring a person or team to build you a wagon and you provide the materials and pay them. In a way it could even be a constructable unit of sorts, pay 10k to put down a temporary workshop, bring it the supplies and it builds a wagon over time and once it's complete you can sell it for a profit or keep it as a decoration (which is how I think the constructable buildings should work anyway, the finished value is the a little less than the cost of buying all the materials to build it).

[@Mavererick]

There is a mod for PC I believe that lets you lease productions.

[@johndravis1562]

Correct, there is a pc mod to lease productions

[@stormchaserscoots]

​@@johndravis1562PC is the ONLY way to play this

[@AlRoderick]

It seems like the game is balanced in such a way that you need to be doing at least some of the production yourself, buying from the warehouse is for replacing the one part of the process you don't want to do. So presumably you'd be able to make some profit if you made the planks but bought the fabric and rope, or if you made the planks and the fabric and bought the rope so you didn't have to buy the rope maker.

[@ndegraafndg]

There's a mod on PC that lets you lease productions, I love it as I use some productions for only a few months here and there depending what I'm growing or wanting to do.

[@jimjasutis5046]

What I have come to realize is that the economy level you are running may influence if some things are worthwhile or not. For example, I am setting up a pig farm. If you run on easy economy and make a perfect trough of food with 50% corn, 25% barley, 20% canola, and 5% sugar beets you could actually sell all those items for $1499 per thousand liters. Since you can buy big bags of pig food for $1000 per thousand liters, it really doesn't pay to mix your own. I am guessing there may be other things in game where the economy level might determine if something will work or not.

[@sleddogs76]

I don’t have exact numbers but I’ve been of the opinion that the majority of the production chains are more worthwhile the harder the economy you run on. On easy it often doesn’t seem worth the hassle for the amount of profit you get. Normal economy the values are .6 of that and hard is .3 but difficulty doesn’t impact the cycles of a production so it seems like it’s much more worthwhile in perception wise if you play on hard vs playing on easy. Just my opinion.

[@TheMrScoffer]

The math on this is slightly wrong because of the partial palates and only building 1. For example, you bought 9 pallets of Plank Long, 3 Pallets of Fabric and 2 Pallets of Rope but with the partials you have some left over. For the actual math split the cost down to price each and multiply by the number needed. So for Plank Long 1k costs 5028 which works out at 5.028 per plank multiplied by the 8400 you need. So actual costs: Planks Long 42,235 Fabric 20,902 Rope 13,195 Actually works out at £76,332 and you get paid £99,900 per wagon meaning a profit of £23,568 for buying and transporting Not sure if economic difficulty changes any of these numbers (I'm running on Normal)

[@Blackmere65]

If I was doing it, I probably would do the planks and fabric myself and buy the rope pallets from the warehouse.

[@sleddogs76]

The additional drawback of this is that at the current time of this video the rope maker actually loses money when using wool as an input and has a very small profit when using cotton as an input so any additional rope you make that isn’t used for the wagon is kind of a lost cause. At least you can actually make money from a sawmill and spinnery outside of wagon building.

[@MagFireUK]

Most likely the person emailed you about leasing as a few streamers on KZbin have been leasing productions (it is a PC only mod) but it is way out of balance. You can pay about £800 per day to lease a sawmill then one full log trailer from a just 3 or 4 trees will produce £20K so you make a fortune with a production then return it when it runs out of wood and just lease it again when you need to. Saves spending £300K on the production and not using it very often. But the lease cost either needs to be increased or there should be a minimum contract such as lease for minimum 3 or 6 months

[@brianboruroyalty]

Excited to see how this goes before i make a mess of it myself 😂

[@Revy501]

I literally commented about clipping through the wall but I see you figured it out haha

[@fraserskomorowski2311]

Can you sell the 5 pallets of fabric, 20 pallets of planks & 3 pallets to the wagon shop to choker block the storage and then offset the purchase with those profits? Will the facility retain that quantity when it becomes yours? Also, as an FYI, you would have to build 125 wagons for that 8L rope and 16L of fabric to get 100% efficiency of the material input into the facility. The total input is 1,050 pallets of planks, 252 pallets of fabric and 126 pallets of rope. Time commitment is 72years & 11 months.

[@peterclarke3300]

Great video MrP as always they need to up speed which it’s made and lower the price off the productions to make it a better experience 👍👍👏👏⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

[@sweethomeTN731]

I'm still questioning why snow collects in all the base game farm buildings on Riverbend Springs. I just made it to winter and have started to notice a game I paid full price for that was half made when it came out. They really need to do some quality control. Things like that should have easily been noticed prior to release.

[@peterpike]

You actually make your money on your SECOND wagon, because you don't have to buy the extra pallets for production.

[@revartmusic3075]

Be good if you could hitch up a couple of yer owned horses to it and drive it back to your farm,

[@halo-rain]

Hey Mrsealyp. Thanks for the work that you've put into this. Always appreciated and good helpful information. An additional thing I'd like to know, what difficulty did you test this on? I'd be interested in finding out if the sell price for each wagon varies on each difficulty. If it doesn't, it would make the profitability more appealing for the harder difficulties.

[@BanditFarms]

I feel like if you own the sawmill and wagon maker, you'll be able to get by without the wool/cotton side.

[@playingforfunsies2271]

One actually needs to sell 38 wagons to break even, as you could have sold the products for $77k. So, each wagon only nets $22k and $800k/$22K ~= 38.

[@FarmSimTrucker389]

Hey Mr. SealyP, if I understand it correctly the reason you're loosing money is because it only paying you for the materials used and not for the extra thats left. It will pay you for the extra on the next wagon. That's IF I understand it right lol. Still an awesome video!!!

[@JimKayaker]

That probably works when you own the production because it was only 2.6k short and even the planks are worth more than that, but when he delivered materials he only got paid 75% of the cost and there is less than 20% (by very rough, 3/15 pallets type maths) left towards the next wagon so I think that would still be a loss. It doesn't leave much excess to amortise the £425k cost of the produciton though, strap in for a several hundred year commitment! LOL

[@FarmSimTrucker389]

@JimKayaker man I think the cost of some (most) of the productions are ridiculous lol. I can understand higher cost for faster output (paying wages and what not in a role play setting) but my opinion is the productions are astronomically high!!! And as far as your breakdown i do think you're right, there still would be a small loss. Not worth the money or effort in my opinion

[@KorpiklaaniLordi]

Hi there, may I disagree with you on this topic? You say, that you need 102k worth of input (if buying from warehouse), but you do not count for overage, since wagon builder can store goods. Your values are 2000L of rope at 13090 $, 9000L of planks at 5028 $ and 3000 L of fabric at 10368 $. Total 102 536 $. Actually you need only 1008L of rope, 8400 L of planks and 2016 L of fabric. Using the same prices of goods, thats total of 76 332 $. Complete wagon is 99 900 $, so you are in profit about 23.5 k per wagon. Thats about 20 wagons built to return investment for buying the production when buying everything at warehouse.

[@lightspeedbiker]

20 wagons take 12 years

[@ScorpionTazzGaming]

There is a PC mod for leasing productions but it is a script so no go on console

[@DJ57BEN]

Wasn’t fixed crop price a script mod? That’s also on consol

[@davidvanmol5199]

@@DJ57BENfixed crop prices is just an xml if I’m not mistaken.

[@bradleymuro6807]

I watched someone on console do a time lapse of completing the temple on Hutan and it took 8 years and 8 months of constant filling of products to complete.....that's insane....im just gonna use it as a sell point and if I complete it then so b it but just krayzie

[@Twsly76]

I said everything up to do myself and I have yet to see anything actually distribute to the to the wagon builder I’m curious do I have to physically take it there or can I have it distribute through the production chain

[@Ken_Stauder]

I do not think the productions are part of the distribution chain, I may be wrong but I think you need to deliver these goods.

[@JP94]

Weird why i cant buy the dairy on riverbend springs, it makes you place one down to produce mozzarela

[@haplowizard2743]

Thank you for your hard work. Great video.

[@AlucardBond007]

Yes I totally agree with you Mr Sealy P that no matter which way you do it that's a lot of time and money to put into something to not get more than that out of it now maybe if you had some sort of multiplayer server setup so somebody else on that product production and you still got paid for what you brought there then maybe yeah it would be a bit more reasonable

[@Dustbunney54]

Dec. 9, 2024 Mr. Sealyp, I know you're an advocate for Giants but IMO, Giants are Idiots. THIS IS A GAME!!!! At least on Silverrun, when you bought the boat builder, you got to watch it being built AND watch it get launched!! That was COOL. This wagon building is just ludicrous. By the time you buy all the productions needed, including harvesting cotton and feeding sheep, you're so far in the hole moneywise, it would take F OR E V E R to break even. And the fact you don't even get to watch the wagon be build OR see it roll out before it sells is just plain ridiculous! It's obvious to me that NOBODY at Giants actually Play the game becuz if they do and this is "fun" for them, I feel sad for that person (those people). Their idea of "fun" is extremely different from mine or even the definition in Websters Dictionary!! Thank you for taking the time to show us that wagon building is not worth doing. Take care.

[@indyskeepproductions]

I think if your using the Production Chains and selling anything extra you can make the money back, but if your just trying to make wagons you will lose out. The Roller-coaster was similar in a way, you did get decent cash, but everything you had to do to construct the roller-coaster needed to go to other productions that could be sold elsewhere when the coaster was either full or finished. I'm thinking it is just a similar situation. I likely wont do the wagons, they may come up with something more fun later on other maps.

[@AceCat69]

you can lease productions on pc with a mod, and it makes a pretty big difference in early game when you cant afford to buy

[@Excelsiorgaming97]

This could have been a 10 minute video 😢

[@jimjasutis5046]

There is a mod, available in game to let you lease productions that are built into the map. The mod does not work on productions that you place yourself.

[@MikeHoughtonasUnit8720]

well, maybe if you get other ppl to buy the sawmill, etc and you buy thw wagon maker then you could except you gotta go cheap on buying from them

[@stevebender2265]

There is a mod that permits production facility leasing. I’m not sure if it’s PC only though. I’m PC. It gives the option of either buying or leasing and then the cost. For instance, buying the sawmill is around $300k. Leasing it is $812/month.

[@Patricula]

But you'll make it up in volume!

[@MikeHoughtonasUnit8720]

imho it wouldn't be a giants game if there wasn't frustration.

[@petejose1701]

Yes it’s a loss on each wagon, but you can make up for it in volume. 😅

[@deanthompson5075]

There is a mod on mod hub to lease productions for pc only

[@bradleymuro6807]

Theirs a mod on PC that allows u to lease productions....Daggerwin uses it

[@Adam-tp6ch]

You would need to have all the big productions, not the little farm ones. You wouldn't get 8400 worth of long planks from the small ones in a year. It would take quite a while, so unless you plan on playing the same map for the next few years, in real life time, making a profit probably wouldn't happen. It would be more just for something to do besides just farming fields.

[@SwissFarmerDood]

The Empire State building didn't take much longer than one carriage. Modders will have that fixed in no time 😅

[@arsadorap3619]

There is a mod to lease on the map productions.

[@jockeivanhoe]

Is there any projects on the European map?

[@chiefwiggum1976]

There is a lease productions mod on modhub. I’m not sure if it’s PC only, but I assume it’s a script mod, so likely is.

[@gameingHyenia]

Yes maybe there is something they did not fore see as Making a profit in.

[@paulgander1936]

Just wondering if it would pay over more wagon. 1016 litres of rope (or whatever it was), that pallet would do another 4 part pallets so 6 pallets for 5 wagons etc. Can someone do the maths😂

[@neodemonhawk]

Yes you come out ahead about $23k versus inputs after the second wagon and keep making money for the next 60 or so (dip there to restock again). It's slow but absolutely long term profitable.

[@burnsyd17]

Thanks for the "getting inside" tip, but yeah pretty disappointed it's unprofitable without producing yourself all the materials. Seems very much a "late game" production, not worth doing until you've obtained and paid off the subsidiary productions.

[@Roosternurse]

I do lease, there is a mod on PC for it

[@jameswood5938]

Production lease is a pc mod

[@bradleymuro6807]

Someone needs to make a mod with a cheaper cement factory and rope factory

[@joshrutledge5142]

the dedication this guy has! unreal! great job man!

[@bluebutterfly6394]

Can you make a video on the woods toy tractor builer please

[@whackojacko0]

Lease productions is mod for PC

[@QRLSpoon]

I really like your videos but i don’t have 30 min to watch a wagon build. Could be a 8-10min video. Sad because i like your content.

[@Bosay831Gaming]

I'm sure there will be some mods released in the future that will cut into those pallet costs. GIANTS has never been that good with balancing the in game economy when it comes to these production projects IMHO.

[@Bosay831Gaming]

Just another random thought but purchasing any facility is capital project and always should be considered a long term investment. That being said one should still turn a profit but the only thing is how long it takes before such is the case.

[@neodemonhawk]

@@Bosay831Gaming You do turn a long term profit on this already. The startup cost is just too high to see it after one wagon. If you make a second though you'll be up 23k versus materials at warehouse prices.

[@AssociateBob]

I find this very disappointing compared to FS22 it just looks lazy in 22 you could go into the room and see the boat was being built and when the boat was finished, you watch it set sail, once you built the rollercoaster, you could ride the rollercoaster, it's the same with the sawmill in silverrun forest you would take your wood to the sawmill and watch the animation of the wood being loaded from the Millpond up into the sawmill in 25 in Riverbend Springs they have a sawmill with a mill pond but there's no animation the wood just disappears when you press the sell button it's like the game gone backwards or they couldn't be botherd.

[@surrrtan]

There must be a struggle inside Giants, what about they should go with simulations or arcade with the game - they do both, right now. 3D textures and realistic driving, and at the same time you got milk from cows before they even mature, and these productions that make you loose money, and the totally unrealistic prices on everything.. I hope they can decide on wich way to go, some day, before the game loose it's fanbase on booth sides. Personly i'd like the simulation perspective, but i'm old..

[@FeNcEcHILD]

Realistic textures and models yes, realistic driving? Not even close mate…

[@tims9434]

Its a stage coach not a wagon

[@anthonybarstow5514]

👍

[@daveschwerdtfeger7842]

👋🏼😎

[@MikeMorley-o3h]

I believe there is a leasing mod for factories

[@anticheat3300]

Leasing mod is only pc. Not allowed on console

[@TheRickyflores]

Jump in

[@chriscoles3901]

Morning all

[@mikecatalano6781]

Jump over it

[@johnheckles8239]

This game is bugged out so bad.. So far Iv lost half my equipment after reloading a save costing me hundreds of thousands.. Grass doesn’t regrow and Iv just accepted a contract but with a loan of the equipment and the seeder that dropped couldn’t plant soybeans 🤷🏻‍♂️😂 They really need to get to work asap.. Iv also had some mad visual glitches and the steering is absolute pish.. Wish I’d of waited 6 months before buying it 😒

[@DancerOfClouds]

Thanks Mr. SealyP, but no thanks

[@gkw9882]

Seven months to build one wagon? My internet search said 2 - 3 weeks for one man. The wagon builder does 7 cycles per month. What does each cycle do? Can't be 7 items on the wagon each month, there weren't 49 items on it. No wagons for me, no rollercoaster on Silver Run for me either.

[@jlytollis4]

The game could have been so much more. Then what it is I think giants have missed out massively. I'm making this one of the best farming simulating games But unfortunately it's failed on so many levels.I feel that giants have put out a Sub power game and left it to the modes to save the game. But their mods, tractors, etcetera etcetera. I've only put in basic equipment and have not sorted the underlying problems with f S22. They just rode into events 25, so we're all having the same problems we had in 22. What with grain crashes going freezes? And a new one is restricted areas. I hope that you wish to do everything sorted when they bring out further updates and patches. But at the moment's frustrating, put something in. Can you get the restricted area? You can't level the ground round it. So you got bumps and ramps. Were you trying to play the game? And it's just let's gain down from giant side. They've had 2 years to bring this game out. They put it invited modes who specialise in Maps to make some maps with no problems and also invest in modest.To do some equipment leaving them to do bass game.

[@TrainzmanUK]

Just a money pit, this game is getting more like a production SIM than a farming simulator

[@davidvanmol5199]

Indeed. It’s a shame. No crop rotation, no germination, no fungicides, no pesticides, no bale rotting, no veterinarians, no precision farming, … but yet we can make wagons, piano’s, etc… Giants should rename their game.

[@niwde73]

All these bugs made me not play the game yet. We Need 3 or 4 updates from giants before most bugs are solved. Big disappointment again.

[@davidvanmol5199]

Yes, the same with their horrible optimization. I have an 13900K with 64gb RAM and a RTX4090. Every other game runs smooth in 4K with a lot more then 100fps. FS25 in 4K is all over the place, low 30fps up to 215fps with a lot of stuttering. 😡

[@Compy-oe2kf]

This game really is becoming pallet manager

[@ninaMHF]

Wagon's no

[@Robbbed]

Thus game should stick to farming and animals , this stuff is ridiculous

[@Bosay831Gaming]

None of this is required to play so all YOU need to do is stick to farming and animals.

[@Lucif3r_morningst4r666]

Great vid MRSEALYP, i suppose the reason for doing these things is for you to actually produce the products yourself, it's probably why the warehouse is so expensive 🫰🏻, on another note if you can't get into the building could you not use the camera on build mode to zoom into the building, just a thought

[@daveschwerdtfeger7842]

👋🏼😎