Does Age Matter In osu?

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Spazza17

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@Spazza17
@Spazza17 2 жыл бұрын
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@spelpotatis7240
@spelpotatis7240 2 жыл бұрын
ok
@blossomscat5077
@blossomscat5077 2 жыл бұрын
i could only take 1, 6. or 10 moths
@npas76
@npas76 2 жыл бұрын
age certainly doesnt matter to the average osu player
@npas76
@npas76 2 жыл бұрын
oh nvm this video is about skill
@bakamitai4723
@bakamitai4723 2 жыл бұрын
@@npas76 💀
@Brisckey
@Brisckey 2 жыл бұрын
@@npas76 wait what the fuck
@Rezeee
@Rezeee 2 жыл бұрын
@@npas76 Especially if you play hard rock.
@lGream
@lGream 2 жыл бұрын
Same as average GD player
@aimtenshi
@aimtenshi 2 жыл бұрын
kids just have motivation and time to play and older people have real life
@senttex1407
@senttex1407 2 жыл бұрын
you forgot kids go to school as well i dont think "time" is something we have a lot💀💀💀
@fiskars9800
@fiskars9800 2 жыл бұрын
also they learn faster i think
@souland3566
@souland3566 2 жыл бұрын
@@senttex1407 summer?
@dr804t5
@dr804t5 2 жыл бұрын
@@senttex1407 Well, Adult have to do ALL the housework, buying their food, learning things that's necessary like finance, how to make money, how to deal with stress from work, how to work with people you didn't like and...a lot more than just working. (Speaking from me who just turn into an adult this year)
@senqui
@senqui 2 жыл бұрын
Where I live, we get 1 month of summer break and that's it. We have exams every 2-3 months and hw the size of mountains. I haven't played osu in about three weeks and this is a common occurrence. So kids don't get time *everywhere* around the world. Maybe USA tho.
@HoundBlueDragon
@HoundBlueDragon 2 жыл бұрын
it's true about mentality, honestly most players just end up losing interest before they get into their mid 20s. personally as someone who is currently dying of old age (24) i feel like i only improved over time, and every time i felt like my skill was decaying was purely because i hadn't played the game as frequently as i did in the past. if i start playing again now i'm going to suck much more than i did when i was 17, but after like 6 days of consecutively playing i'm 100% going to be setting scores i couldn't do before
@neys2310
@neys2310 2 жыл бұрын
r u big black mapper ?
@milknoreos716
@milknoreos716 2 жыл бұрын
oh hey Mismagius, u're handsome
@hunglongtran3195
@hunglongtran3195 2 жыл бұрын
everytime i get bored of the game i start playing it less and only playing maps that i enjoy listening to and for somereason after 1 month or so i farm and get a new top play maybe try it?
@xxbatat4xx
@xxbatat4xx 2 жыл бұрын
Cada as lives?
@Invhytas
@Invhytas 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 27 and I'm still improving, but I got shit to do and can maybe play like an hour a day and I have to take obscenely long breaks due to work or exams. It's just that simple. If you're a zoomer that has 6 hrs of school and can play the game for 10 hours a day or more you're inevitably gonna improve much faster than someone who plays the game as a hobby on the side sometimes when he can.
@Thatgoo3y
@Thatgoo3y 2 жыл бұрын
I started playing right around when I turned 20 and got good enough to compete in OWC back then. I stopped playing when my first kid was on the way in 2014, and started playing again in 2018 after he got a little bit older. Stopped playing again for a few years due to kid #2, and started playing again in 2021. I'm better now at 31 years old than I was when I was in my early 20s and my skillset has expanded. My best plays are from very recent. I don't play competitive at all anymore, but I still give myself small personal challenges, a map or two at a time. Responsibilities play a huge roll in how much you play and how you approach a game like this. I still love Osu, but my life and life in general is much bigger than this now for me personally. I'd have to agree that for Osu, and most likely every other competitive video game, that circumstance of life does play a gigantic role in the "age" question. Cool video!
@Invhytas
@Invhytas 2 жыл бұрын
I'm currently 27 and I will try to get 3 digit out of spite as soon as life stops getting in the way
@manowasthere
@manowasthere 2 жыл бұрын
[insert osu player getting bitches joke here]
@impusu
@impusu 2 жыл бұрын
hi! cool story, do u mind sharing your ign? I'd love to get some motivation from that :D
@Thatgoo3y
@Thatgoo3y 2 жыл бұрын
@@impusu Thatgooey is my IGN
@fredtrentini6791
@fredtrentini6791 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, honestly that's so interesting to read about because you very rarely see those experiences coming from people "far" from the average "community standards" (in this example it's age), 90% of the time all you hear about is some 15 year old player popping off, so sometimes it seems like anyone above 20 is totally an elder person (currently at 21 feeling a bit like this)
@vioco
@vioco 2 жыл бұрын
Karthy's case is a real eye-opener even moreso because speed is something people often attribute to age.
@mathguy7612
@mathguy7612 2 жыл бұрын
Nah they attribute speed to genetics xd
@ibojofamily8472
@ibojofamily8472 2 жыл бұрын
Players like bubbleman or even cookiezi are good examples of how age can be negligible as long as you play consistently. That's not to say that being young doesn't have an advantage when it comes to learning fast.
@retrofizz727
@retrofizz727 2 жыл бұрын
i mean cookiezi started playing in 2008 so he was probably young at that time
@mercamia
@mercamia 2 жыл бұрын
@@retrofizz727 he was 12, cookiezi born in 1996
@retrofizz727
@retrofizz727 2 жыл бұрын
@@mercamia isn't 12 young ?
@mercamia
@mercamia 2 жыл бұрын
@@retrofizz727 according to the jedi council, no
@retrofizz727
@retrofizz727 2 жыл бұрын
@@mercamia bruh wdym
@ITotallyGetThat
@ITotallyGetThat 2 жыл бұрын
never ask a score farmer their age
@thesaltyspoon7483
@thesaltyspoon7483 2 жыл бұрын
💀
@WillyOsu
@WillyOsu 2 жыл бұрын
I will always be good. I am eternal.
@aJanzu
@aJanzu 2 жыл бұрын
vouch
@RedNinjaRacer_
@RedNinjaRacer_ 2 жыл бұрын
Willy will will his way into never needing to write a will. I will it to be true.
@rbk9582
@rbk9582 2 жыл бұрын
@@RedNinjaRacer_ Did you just blocked me for no reason?
@RedNinjaRacer_
@RedNinjaRacer_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@rbk9582 no?
@suirisoris
@suirisoris 2 жыл бұрын
Bro I’m 20 and I thought I could never be as good as when I was 17 but seeing karthy I just got motivated again
@rjc.05
@rjc.05 2 жыл бұрын
hi granpa
@fjordtrout
@fjordtrout 2 жыл бұрын
@@rjc.05 bro having midlife crisis at 17 yo🤣
@tamalumi
@tamalumi 2 жыл бұрын
I'm 26, almost 27, ranking 33k~. I'd say age doesn't matter that much, I work a full-time job, after I come back home I spend a bit of my time at osu to relax myself and it's really fun. As long as you do something regularly, you'll get better. I don't care too much about improvement anymore, as I've been around the game since 2012, just want to have a good time, listen to good music, set some cool scores. I am of course getting better at the game, in the same rate I did when I was 16, but it's not something important to me anymore. It was, when I was younger though. It's the first difference I've noticed through the years that I don't care that much anymore, I don't feel nerves at all even when I'm into 2000 combo having an SS. It's just "yeah, cool" now. Perhaps I'll achieve something in the game in the long run, who knows. I think the biggest advantage you have when you are in your late 20's is your mental stability, how you approach things like failures and overall maturity that helps you approach the game in a different perspective compared to when you were 16. I also live on my own, so I don't have to worry too much about "parents" or stuff, that may somehow hurt your "osu career", if I can call it that way. As long as you have fun doing something, you are never too old or too young to do that. When I'll be 30, 40, if osu is still around and I'll feel fun - I'll keep playing. I'm still waiting for Lazer though...
@RockerCraft
@RockerCraft 2 жыл бұрын
It's pretty nice to hear Karthy started osu in his early 20s. It felt weird since I started around the same age but now it's more motivating knowing that a top player started in their 20s too
@ilect1690
@ilect1690 2 жыл бұрын
aparently bikko was 30 when he popped off in 2015 (edit: he was born 86 so he was actually 29 but same thing)
@Vaxilion
@Vaxilion Жыл бұрын
I agree with pretty much everything in this video tbh. Life priorities are much more a factor than actual aging. I personally don't have a huge social life, I'll go out for food and drinks with friends occasionally but I mostly just work full time and play video games. I got really into osu just barely under a year ago after not touching it for a few years and went from rank 1.1m to 36k in just under a year. (I was at about 700 play count when I got "back" into it, and am now at 27,352 play count.) I'm 25 years old, and always trying to be improving at the game.
@aJanzu
@aJanzu 2 жыл бұрын
thanks for the advice grandpa. glad you’re still kicking it
@Mar_Thoradh
@Mar_Thoradh 2 жыл бұрын
When you think that old people are slow, just remember that Quake players that play this game like 20+ years and still have good reaction
@primalinea682
@primalinea682 2 жыл бұрын
Spazza, the statistically most based OSU player
@krivey
@krivey 2 жыл бұрын
"basically an old man, and not for sale fossil" LMAOO
@TsunaTsunaTsuna
@TsunaTsunaTsuna 2 жыл бұрын
As an osu player, I can confirm that age is just a number, and does not matter to us osu players 😏.
@patches2654
@patches2654 Жыл бұрын
I've always said it's higher neuroplasticity mixed with more freedom and motivation to grind something like a game, as you get older your priorities change and you don't want to, and probably don't have a lot of time to grind out games as you wouldve years prior. Unless you can make a career out of gaming, you are just going to fall off at some point. i also came back to the game after a year break at age 21, and peaked in terms of skill before losing interest again.
@w3llplad783
@w3llplad783 2 жыл бұрын
Blaming age is akin to blaming genetics for poor osu performance.
@TheBigSad8247
@TheBigSad8247 2 жыл бұрын
Started playing osu! At 24. Now I'm 26. Still just under 200k rank, but I'd say I'm doing well for myself despite my obnoxious work schedule. Regardless of how well you perform compared to others, the important thing is that I still feel the sense of my own improvement. I am expecting my first 200 pp play sometime soon, and I can't wait for it.
@wohnieosu
@wohnieosu 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck to you! Hope u get it soon
@mercamia
@mercamia 2 жыл бұрын
2h/day atleast 4 days a week playing is enough to improve, but your session needs to be efficient and use it mostly for pushing the limits of your skill, don't retry spam, and always play maps that you think is hard (but not too hard like you barely passed a map), I went back to my old playstyle because I was terribly rusty and after 3 months I have a new top play and significantly improved my speed and accuracy
@TobeGH3
@TobeGH3 2 жыл бұрын
I started playing osu in 2013 when I was 19 years old. Now I am 28, and still play. My peak in pure rank was 2015-2016, and since then I didn't really improve anymore, or just a little bit. However, I'll be honest that I had some major breaks in between, and most of the time - even though I of course played to improve generally - didn't bother to practice maps for pure improvement, but rather played maps I enjoyed (not going out of my comfort zone a lot). I feel like I could still improve, though, if I really put in the effort into it, I am just too lazy to do so lmao.
@andybuscus383
@andybuscus383 2 жыл бұрын
After the first year or so, playing consistently has always been a problem of mine. It's the main reason I never broke 4 digit. I'm a semi one trick pony when it comes to streams. I want to play more, but full-time job, family obligations, and poor time management do not permit. (You were always my favorite GH KZbinr, btw)
@TobeGH3
@TobeGH3 2 жыл бұрын
@@andybuscus383 Haha I appreciate that. But hey be greatful that you can stream, I struggle with 180 bpm streams, no matter how much I actually tried to practice streams. :)
@Likeanoob2
@Likeanoob2 2 жыл бұрын
I found this video through Twitter :) I like the conversation about how its mostly mentality because it really is everytging5
@vertoHUN
@vertoHUN 2 жыл бұрын
You can't get good at osu! because you are a zoomer with skill issues. I can't get good at osu! because I post minion memes on Facebook 12 hours a day. We are not the same.
@Grundoko
@Grundoko 2 жыл бұрын
I started playing at 27. Less than a year later, I'm 28 and rank 129k, and still improving at a steady rate. Age may matter when it comes to the absolute peak. I have no illusions of being able to reach top 100. But I don't feel like my age is blocking me from progressing, and I intend to break into 5 digits soon.
@AreaNeraTV
@AreaNeraTV 8 ай бұрын
Did you achieve 5 digits?
@cookieplayz9690
@cookieplayz9690 2 жыл бұрын
Let's start doing Spazza's daily routine when he was 16
@secmari8645
@secmari8645 2 жыл бұрын
I think the grindset and energy permazoomers have simply cannot be replicated at an older age and that's why they are so good... as a 15 year old I deeply cared about being the best at so much stuff that didn't matter, I would enter all kinds of competitions for fun, and now that I'm older I'm procrastinating going to the gym to write this meaningless yt comment
@SuperNatozunHD
@SuperNatozunHD 2 жыл бұрын
Rrtyui quote, will always be that simple "plz enjoy game".
@ACrawford00
@ACrawford00 2 жыл бұрын
I will play this game until I am physically incapable of playing anymore. osu is much more than just a game to me.
@ziwuri
@ziwuri 2 жыл бұрын
I think there is also a physical cutoff when everyone starts regressing in their gaming abilities, but that's probably at like age 40 or something.
@jessequick432
@jessequick432 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with a lot of your points but honestly being young, learning any new skill will give you a significant short term advantage. That’s why your parents say if you want to learn a language do it when you’re young. To be fair I think an older player could become as good as a younger player, but through a lot more hard work and a lot more of a time investment. Using Kathy, as a singular example of an “older” player to prove that the older players can be as good as the younger ones is true but how many Karthy’s are there in proportion to younger players in the top 500? You could argue that osu! targets a younger demographic but still, I don’t think that significantly changes the fact that the older you get the longer it will take to learn a new skill. Either way I think the subject is too complex to really say what is factual and what isn’t, but this is just what I think about it xD
@yukiko6137
@yukiko6137 2 жыл бұрын
It's matter of time tbh. Older players usually have less of it.
@jessequick432
@jessequick432 2 жыл бұрын
@@yukiko6137 I agree! They also don't overthink as much as adults, they just play
@mikeyda
@mikeyda 2 жыл бұрын
i can finally imagine a gamer dad beating galaxy collapse after watching this video.
@derinbecel
@derinbecel 2 жыл бұрын
Started playing osu! at age 12, now I am 19. Throughout my 7 year journey, my mindset has changed many times but what hasn't changed is the fact that improvement comes from experience / playtime. Literally just play more.
@gc1sheenes521
@gc1sheenes521 2 жыл бұрын
it's not reflexes or reaction time that slows me down as an old man, it's the pain in my hands..
@Chadison
@Chadison 2 жыл бұрын
i was thinking about the ages of formula 1 drivers and didnt expect that it'd get brought up in here
@kuratse205
@kuratse205 2 жыл бұрын
It seems like osu players get washed up only because the leaderboards favour pp farming. Which takes lots of time, and most people have less time the older they get. You can still be cracked out at the age of 40, but you just dont have enough time to farm the unforgiving for an fc everyday. Its just really about not having enough time to farm. I know a super washed up osu player that used to be able to fc 7* maps and ss 6* maps, and now is worse than some 7 digits. People generally fall out of having enough time or care to farm osu, and move on to actually important things in life. You wont be stuck in hell, there will one day come a time where you no longer hear _"see you next time"_
@ksweew7476
@ksweew7476 2 жыл бұрын
2:15 i don't think even formula 1 is a heavy reaction time sport... i've never been there myself ofc but im sim racing at an intermidiate lvl and what matters the most is your car control, track knowledge, anticipation, etc. If you're feeling a driver is seeing things way faster than you it's not because of his reflexes but because it takes him less time to adjust and read what's going on kinda like when you felt 4 or 5 stars maps were godlike speed when you could only pass 2 stars maps. And most professional drivers relate to this that you don't actually rely that much on reaction time or reflexes, because at a certain level it's impossible to react fast enough to do just about anything, if a car in front of you is heavy braking if you're relying on your reflexes to hit the brakes when he does you're going to crash and that just at a speed of 100km/h
@ksweew7476
@ksweew7476 2 жыл бұрын
I think people overexaggerate any kind of advantage a certain condition can give like genetics, material, age, etc thing is for you to know if those things were relevant to you, you already need to be in the top 10 or 5% of that thing you're practicing. Because it's always personal and if you're not even in the top 50% and you're already telling yourself your condition is too bad for that thing you're doing, you're already shooting yourself in the foot not even knowing if this really applies to you or not.
@RieMUisthegoaT
@RieMUisthegoaT 2 жыл бұрын
I 100% agree, I started at 16 and had nothing better to do so I improved quickly, now at 22 years old I have this one month break and I'm popping off but I can see it going soon once I got back to university, even if I continued playing I would still have this thought in the back of mind that I'm wasting my time playing osu! where I could be studying or getting certificates, it's kinda stressful tbh
@mintzs5128
@mintzs5128 2 жыл бұрын
Time you enjoy wasting is not a wasted time is what they say
@RieMUisthegoaT
@RieMUisthegoaT 2 жыл бұрын
@@mintzs5128 Meh, it's just a small dose of dopamine it won't be enjoyable being unable find a job after graduating with a shitty GPA
@NeonBeeCat
@NeonBeeCat 7 күн бұрын
I'm nearly 21 and I feel my reflexes/reaction time have much improved since the first time I played osu when I was 17, (i virtually didnt play from the first time i played when i was 17 to when i turned 20) and I'm not gonna let something silly like age keeping me for having fun and achieving my goals in the game. Maybe splitting my time between mania and standard isn't the best thing but I just enjoy both of the modes. Maybe one day I could become a 5 digit who knows.
@ivanmello1616
@ivanmello1616 2 жыл бұрын
I first played osu when i was 17, now im 27. I took a 8 year gap with barely no play inbetween these time period. Being completely honest, i dont feel at any disadvantage on my progress now that im older. Im at 4k rank right now, definitely not a top player, but its a considerably high rank overall, most of which i grinded this year. If anything, i can actually get better faster now that im more mature and have more self control and completely stopped to retry spam and stuff like that.
@tinyz7575
@tinyz7575 8 ай бұрын
I can see middle-aged btmc still kicking in the 5-digit zone
@Boxsnake
@Boxsnake 2 жыл бұрын
Cool video and all but that transition to the sponsorship was clean
@Ysnekx
@Ysnekx 2 жыл бұрын
great now I need something different than genetics and being old as an excuse for me being bad at osu
@Elitist
@Elitist 2 жыл бұрын
Just say you have no free time after work/college even though you actually spend 8 hours watching youtube a day (me)
@ryanzdral8895
@ryanzdral8895 2 жыл бұрын
I love the not for sale fossil reference at the beginning lmao
@DwAboutItManFr
@DwAboutItManFr 2 жыл бұрын
My priorities did not really change as i got old.
@AUG_Glow
@AUG_Glow 2 жыл бұрын
Thank god im 15 and i was worried id never get good Thanks spazza, i got motivation to play now that i know i can still destroy mrekk
@EinfachLuap
@EinfachLuap 2 жыл бұрын
Back when I was like 17, at the peak of my skill (rank 250 or smth), playing owc and many other tournaments and one day I set out to get good at DT. I am now 23 and I still have troubles with my left hand due to that period. I tried for 2 or 3 months. Not saying that was necessarily age but for me it was straight up not possible. Fucking 5 digit zoomers that could barely play AR9 were better than me at DT. I honestly think it does matter.
@jessequick432
@jessequick432 2 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind a lot of these zoomer gamers, all they play is DT, they literally grind a single skill set their whole osu! career where I can assume, you as a tournament player have invested a lot of time into other skillsets which they haven’t. Keep putting in the work bro you’ll get decent at DT in time xD
@peathyyy
@peathyyy 2 жыл бұрын
What people usually think of with "age" matters in a game like CS:GO where you're competing against younger and younger talent and they're gonna kill you if they can hit a shot in 5ms that you can hit in 6, and even then you can still be incredibly sucessful by not being braindead. "Age" doesn't matter in osu! cause if you fail a map you can just do it again whenever. Like sure if you're 70 years old with arthritis or you've got short term memory loss or whatever you aren't getting to the top any time soon, but as long as you've got enough dedication and can put in enough hours, there's not much stopping you. There's a reason I'm shit at CS now but better at osu! than I've ever been, and it's not because I'm 21 now instead of 18 like when I started.
@aSukiTibi
@aSukiTibi 2 жыл бұрын
When I was in my 23's I had sooooo much more reflex than now I am in my 27's now. Huge difference, I can tell. If you an average player, ofc age it's doesn't matter at all, everybody can be an average Osu player. If you wanna push your limits, watch your water intake and stuff, go to gym, do exercises, pay attention to your friends/family. Cause sometimes if you have bad mood, it highly affects your gameplay, for an example: U broke up with ur gf/bf, and you're sit down to chill a little bit, U will achieve 0 improvement.
@AmbataOSU
@AmbataOSU 3 ай бұрын
the reflexes and reaction times of formula 1 drivers are leagues above those of top osu players and some of those guys are in there 30s and 40s (i didnt watch the video before i made this comment he mentioned formula)
@pingusdingus99
@pingusdingus99 2 жыл бұрын
sponsored section so good no need to skip it
@pladselsker8340
@pladselsker8340 2 жыл бұрын
Getting better at anything is a matter of being able to set clear goals for yourself, and consistently practicing to achieve them.
@koya-l4v
@koya-l4v 2 жыл бұрын
29 here, didn't play osu seriously for 5 years and peaked after playing for a few weeks no lifing. Was (4.5k pp in 2015, 7k in 2020) I only go downhill if i don't play every day for 2-4 hours which is hard being an adult
@Dexterity07
@Dexterity07 Жыл бұрын
i think more than reaction time is energy and free time. As a young kiddo you can play a lot more than an adult + have more energy to practice and keep building that muscle memory.
@nolol9
@nolol9 2 жыл бұрын
"And not for sale fossil" LMAO
@miwiki6
@miwiki6 2 жыл бұрын
i made my osu account when i was 8 why am i not a top player yet
@Reznouken
@Reznouken 2 жыл бұрын
Im in my mid 30s. i started OSU when i was 27 and couldn't grasp the concept so I stopped. I came back when the pandemic hit because I was looking for an active rhythm game community. I've peaked at 160k. Some weeks i can go all in and set a completely new page of top plays and other weeks im just mucking around my skill ceiling which is about 6.3 stars. Yeah you ain't ever too old.
@potatoplayer6475
@potatoplayer6475 2 жыл бұрын
this was a pretty fun video, gj man
@alkimane
@alkimane Жыл бұрын
i startet playing osu with 34 and i still improve yes its harder to get better at a higher age but its not an excuse sure i ll never be a pro player because i just cant invest that much time in the game but as long as i am having fun who cares right?
@fearnugget9025
@fearnugget9025 2 жыл бұрын
you can definitely get good at any age, but i really wish i started playing when i was 13 and not 19
@abuuwu2798
@abuuwu2798 2 жыл бұрын
Bro that intro alone is worth an upvote
@bysku5231
@bysku5231 2 жыл бұрын
when you see a sponsor soo you don't skip it but put it on 2x speed soo spazza gets money
@EtienneYT
@EtienneYT 2 жыл бұрын
Idk man, neuroplasticity is just busted at such a young age, especially if you have absurd fast twitch muscles/inherent talent, etc. No one actually thinks playing at a young age alone automatically makes you good, but *assuming all factors equal*, starting at a younger age is objectively better and always will be, and it's been shown time and time again. The whole "mentality" thing is just semi-pointless, misleading rhetoric that doesn't actually tackle what is a much more nuanced and interesting topic to talk about, so idk what the point of 90% of this vid was just to say "it's all in your head, bro." Like yeah, all players probably aren't pushing themselves enough and shouldn't be discouraged to play rhythm games at a late(r) age (e.g. Mina, the best 4k player at one point started in his 20's), but it just comes off as a bit misleading imo.
@thesaltyspoon7483
@thesaltyspoon7483 2 жыл бұрын
Yoo it’s the goat 🐐
@strikercloud3682
@strikercloud3682 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly whenever there is a new debate in this community. Its always like "its 100% hard work and mindset" that comes as a counter to "its 100% talent", when in reality there is probably a bunch of factors that come into play. Yet people keep believing whatever is more convenient for them while quickly dismissing any evidence that would suggest otherwise. Really appreciate you for being one of the few relevant people to call out the BS!
@EtienneYT
@EtienneYT 2 жыл бұрын
@@strikercloud3682 Yeah, people don't think of these topics as remotely multifaceted. They just argue from a strawman and the point of discussion becomes nullified. It's like when top players bring up genetics and think it's not a pivotal reason why they're one of the best in the world, like fuck off LMAO. Like yeah, you played a lot and were motivated, but you also were playing 7*'s out of the womb. Some people are just hyper-responders to muscle memory, it's not rocket science.
@transposedmatrix
@transposedmatrix 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, saying that if everyone’s circumstances are equal, younger players will objectively end up the better players is really just a truism too. I think the question is whether you can become good, even if you start later, and that’s probably possible, though not as easily, as if you started younger. Also, there might be a survivorship bias at hand. Instead of looking at the absolute amount of young players who’ve made it vs. older players who’ve made it, it’s going to be more representative to look at the relative amount of players that are actually "good" (= some arbitrary threshold) vs. their age group. I’m not disagreeing with you, it’s true that age is an advantage, but I wouldn’t call it a prerequisite for success before your body really starts to give in. But calling this topic more nuanced than Spazza made it out to be, and then reiterating basically everything he, and others, said before doesn’t really do the discussion a lot of justice…
@EtienneYT
@EtienneYT 2 жыл бұрын
@@transposedmatrix I see what you're saying. I guess what I meant was that rather than tackling any of the previous factors mentioned, he just simply mentions them by name and almost dismissed them entirely by the end of the video with his mentality rhetoric. While what I was stating may be a truism, I genuinely think most people don't understand the *degree* starting at a much young(er) age helps compared to 10/15+ years older, which is where the discrepancy arises. I'd argue there's quite a few truisms that should be deemed as such, but the osu! community wouldn't view them that way unfortunately 😅 I'm not here to bring anything new to the table necessarily, but imo, Spazza virtually didn't hone in on any counterarguments at all for more than a few seconds lol, and the conclusion felt a bit preachy/unrealistic. The video also hyperfocuses on top players at the end, so I was under the assumption he was using them as a baseline for optimal skill. It would be fun to aggregate the top 1k players by age and see what the results are, but overall, it still wouldn't change my perception, personally, on age in anything muscle memory related given a majority of worldwide stars in other sports/instruments started at a super young age, and would be nowhere near as successful if they started like 10+ years later. Is the opposite possible? Of course! But downplaying the former is just unrealistic. I def agree with you overall though, I guess I'm still a bit confused on what the vid's *exact* goal was haha
@tundraosu
@tundraosu 2 жыл бұрын
Moral of the story: Age doesn't matter
@tundraosu
@tundraosu 2 жыл бұрын
wait
@Buhlake
@Buhlake 2 жыл бұрын
Spazza is like that cool uncle with the wisdom of a monk
@ttub5247
@ttub5247 2 жыл бұрын
No. My grandpa gets 1k's on a daily basis. He just plays offline
@kuro9519
@kuro9519 2 жыл бұрын
i remember when you can put your age on the old osu website rip feature
@z3df402
@z3df402 2 жыл бұрын
that title threw me off guard
@johnnyfrankenstein0123
@johnnyfrankenstein0123 2 жыл бұрын
i would've gotten rid of the "In osu" part but you have a sponsorship
@joeyjambohatdg
@joeyjambohatdg 2 жыл бұрын
judge (uhhh), am I the father? Mr.WhiteCat, you are not the father. Vas? You're not the father! VAS? Lets fucking go, holy shit. OH YEAHHH, no child support for this guy.. Holy shi
@D_4_N_
@D_4_N_ 2 жыл бұрын
turns out your channel might not be as dead as you thought, this is the first time you've been in my recommended lol
@timhan8667
@timhan8667 2 жыл бұрын
something interesting I noticed is that not all games favor younger players, eg. a lot of shooters. I'd say it's because your real-life experience can overcome younger people's neuroplasticity in these cases. in osu!, there isn't much real-life experience to use in clicking circles, I guess the only thing you have at your advantage is knowledge of how people learn and how muscles are built.
@mocsing6
@mocsing6 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, Rafis is going to be 50 this year right ? And he's still insane at OSU, soooo yea
@dgmortall
@dgmortall Жыл бұрын
Actually i've started playing when i was 13 but really got into the game for sure in the end of 2022 , i have only 826 plays in july 2022 & 1,125 june 2023 + this month , near to the 1k. Just to tell you that my play count is only 5k/6k and already at rank 24k in my country (pretty good imo cause i didn't rlly play too much & i only play w a mouse )
@theysaidimasian9766
@theysaidimasian9766 2 жыл бұрын
but 20s is still young tho, reaching 25 is typically considered "the prime of your life", you used nascar, theres a reason why a lot of nascar drivers retire when theyre around their 40s, mental capacity also plays a role when it comes to speed and dexterity, which age definitely impacts, more so the older you get
@lulkaku
@lulkaku 2 жыл бұрын
I woke up today, watched this vid. This guy is saying he's old while I'm 26. D:
@4hedron852
@4hedron852 2 жыл бұрын
"osu! is dominated by zoomers" -Spazza, who is definitionally a zoomer
@absurddive
@absurddive 2 жыл бұрын
Well, the thing is that you have very little time + too much things on your plate when you reach your mid 20s Work, studies, everyday life get in the way of even the things you love doing, so you don't have a lot of time to play. As a result, you stop focusing on improving and instead enjoy the game for real (a true "casual enjoyer") plus the fact that the body starts to kinda wear out when you reach your 30s if you don't take care of yourself You get pains you never got before, so you pay extra attention to avoid serious injuries Source: I'm 31, I miss being able to go zoomer mode orz
@regindms6653
@regindms6653 2 жыл бұрын
evangelion shirt damn i respect u even more now
@unknownceres5714
@unknownceres5714 2 жыл бұрын
Bikko 30+ year old in his peak
@abiecherry
@abiecherry 2 жыл бұрын
Im 26 turning 27, damn i am fucked.
@mango_c00kie67
@mango_c00kie67 2 жыл бұрын
bro at this point anything over 13 feels like ive gone from unlimited power to my hand hurt after slow stream :(((((((((((((((
@Nekomosh004
@Nekomosh004 2 жыл бұрын
23 years old is **old**??? 😳👴🏻💀
@kuratse205
@kuratse205 2 жыл бұрын
according to osu players, yes. Look at mrekk, in 4 years he is going to keel over like an old man in his deathbed.
@luneh7346
@luneh7346 2 жыл бұрын
Can confirm i am currently on my deathbed typing this (16) and i can still get 400s
@pastorfather8196
@pastorfather8196 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah people get worse with age mostly because they just play less and have more responsibilities. That simple
@whitecat7587
@whitecat7587 2 жыл бұрын
Im 26 and im still play osu
@nothewwo4719
@nothewwo4719 2 жыл бұрын
I think it's more rather how much time in your life that you actually have to play the game
@eMich1
@eMich1 2 жыл бұрын
I got a 99 accuracy play on galaxy collapse (99.23), blue zenith (still 99.23) and kai dan (99.69), 2 500pp plays, played in mwc, got a 99.92 on kumo no kireme, FC on C18H27NO3, 96.98 play on blastix gravity diff and all of that before i was even 13 and i got an S on galaxy collapse even before i turned 12 so theres that too
@NoNoWeb
@NoNoWeb 2 жыл бұрын
Same
@zhongxina7834
@zhongxina7834 2 жыл бұрын
next Osushalla?
@manowasthere
@manowasthere 2 жыл бұрын
wow
@Jotacesh
@Jotacesh 2 жыл бұрын
The add was so smooth xD
@notraycray7207
@notraycray7207 7 ай бұрын
bro my friend was 11 when he was the number 1 player in singapore😭🙏
@strikercloud3682
@strikercloud3682 2 жыл бұрын
For sure, the mentality is different between adults and teenagers, but I doubt it's enough to explain the difference in improvement speed overall. At the end of the day, you can see the exact hours you spent on the game on your profile and compare to others, and I think most people start wondering why age matters when they notice that they didn't get enough improvement relatively to the time and effort invested, meaning no adult is going to raise eyebrows when the permazoomer playing 8hrs a day is progressing faster than they are at 1hr a day but they will start asking questions when they keep seeing profiles getting to their current level (which took 800hrs) in a mere 300.
@snoxy1818
@snoxy1818 2 жыл бұрын
new spazza vid lets go
@timcan9483
@timcan9483 2 жыл бұрын
just imagine you are younger and voila
@sorenkair
@sorenkair 2 жыл бұрын
I peaked at around 40k 2 years ago after playing since 2016 cause i was improving too slowly and lost interest.
@coffeedvdrw
@coffeedvdrw 2 жыл бұрын
he finally uploaded
@oniichansugoi8910
@oniichansugoi8910 2 жыл бұрын
I did manage to hit top 40k after 1.5 yrs of playing at age 27, but now my tapping hand may be irreparably damaged, so I would not call it a success story. Could a tendency for older players to injure themselves be a part of why we don't see quite as many?
@beaudontknow69420
@beaudontknow69420 2 жыл бұрын
in osu it might matter but in real life it doesnt
@sganicocchi5337
@sganicocchi5337 2 жыл бұрын
i dont have time to play with college and a part time job fr
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