What's up with 6S vs 4S? (UNCUT Comparison) | FPV Freestyle

[@michaelmcneal8556]

Down to earth, honest, keeping it 100, and not being a crowd follower is why I continue to follow you... Thanks kid!

[@schmudge]

By the time I graduate from 3S , MrSteelio will be flying Uncut Car Battery

[@lepodeee]

Lmao im still on 2s 5000kv custom motors

[@caseyleonard6506]

I'm flying 1s mobula 6 and now ordered a 6s nazgul5 lol hopefully bigger is better, best of luck!

[@alexsteele3922]

Started to get nauseous around 2:50 you were going insane with the flips I FUCKIN LOVE IT ❤️🙏🏽 , please keep the videos coming

[@Spinfast]

Really liking the fact that you can maintain your power through all the flight time. Kinda had the most serious situations everytime i was grinding the volts down at the end of the pack.

[@dis3nchant3d42]

I'm aligned with you on the concept of not rebuilding everything once it's hyped and then having to work on your crap constantly to make it good. So I'm just now switching to 6s for the first time. It's funny because there are a ton of 6s vs 4s videos out there, but this is the best most informative and logical of all of them and i want to give you kudos for that. Especially since you're not a racer anymore and the biggest push for 6s comes from the racing crowd. That's what I do and still think this is the best comparative video out there.

[@flyingclint589]

Dope video, thanks for doing this buddy! This is what we were talking about the other night.

[@DaddyLion]

Thanks Steele, it was clear to me that I wanted to start with 4S, but you have clarified doubts about the 6S. This week I get the QX7, so give it to the simulator. Courage, we are many all over the world who appreciate your work. Remain who you are.

[@brknpropfpv3899]

Let the tuning nightmares begin! Thanks for the video Steele. Stay up 😎🎮🤙🏻

[@MrSteeleFPV]

I got you boy. I’ll do a video on tuning soon

[@1337flite]

Never thought I'd see Mr Steve board a hypetrain so early. And caps. OMFG. I started running 5s for the no sag reason.

[@Airguardian]

Same thing here with jets. Tried to move from 6S to 8S. Some very good advantages, mainly less power loss due to heat... but tons of other problems getting in the way. Finding the right setup takes time and money.

[@WarChest]

I really love your explanation of the pros and cons: particularly the increase yaw authority as well less throttle resolution. These are points other pilots or reviewers haven’t mentioned. 👍🏻

[@finbenton]

Thats nothing to do with 6S vs 4S setup, his 6s rig is just way more powerfull with that kv than his 4S setup.

[@WarChest]

I suppose he could have calculated and stepped down the kv (1300-1400ish maybe?) to have made it have the same amount of thrust as his 4S setup? Either way, point taken.

[@MrSteeleFPV]

It has everything to do with higher voltage. The more voltage and lower KV you have the more torque you have. Equaling more yaw authority..

[@MojoPapiFPV]

Throttle resolution has only to do with his KV choice. Steele motors are at 2350KV and the 6s setup is 2550KV theoretically. May be as high as 2650... needs to be tested. Anyway, the lower the KV the more the resolution. You could also compensate by adjusting the max throttle in your flight software or radio by 10%. Problem solved.

[@pkvillager]

More KV is more resolution not the other way around.

[@BiecherBender]

I'm still impressed how light your setup is. A slammed alien with the new kiss tiny on 6S is really quite tempting.

[@charliedoubl]

I usually get 4-5 minutes on 4s. Not sure I’m gonna switch yet only because all my rigs are 4s. I’ll probably start moving to 6s over time although I’m in no rush. Thanks for all your awesomeness Steele. Happy flying

[@rl2109]

Thanks for sharing your insight on the 6S set-up..! Good points made, and I hope this goes a long way in solving any argument or controversy... Ultimately, everyone is different, and it's up to each of us to find that set-up that suits us...!

[@nimbuslayer5142]

Heck yeah, I'm in the middle of updating my Alien from V1 to Steeles current setup. And I have a bag of 470's from my MikroKopter days. Great timing on this video for me. Rotor On Steele!

[@Caysonator007]

This video finally allowed me to commit to getting the 6s version of the nazagul evoque f5, instead of the 4s version. Thanks. 💯

[@MrChris9Chris9]

What really bugs me when people try and compare 4s and 6s is their setups are very rarely comparable. Yes, there are lots of efficiency gains by going to 6s, but make the comparisons fair. They would be a lot closer if the setups were more comparable. The 6s setup Steele is using is comparable to a 1650mah 4s battery and 2550kv motors, so of course it's going to be more powerful and last longer. If it were a direct comparison between 4s and 6s he should have used approximately an 866mah 6s with 1563kv motors.

[@MrSteeleFPV]

So I did try lower KV. Actually 1600 to be exact. And I found that the efficiency was essentially the same. Same flight times as 1700kv. But not the same top end extra power or the extra speed. For what I do both were fine but I preferred staying in the lower throttle range. And using the top end power in moments when I’ve wished I had more. Like chasing down cars or extreme sports athletes. Also. With a hero 6 and the added weight. The 1700s made it feel like you were running a Gopro at all

[@DroneRecipe]

when doing a comparison there can only be one variable: the lipos. this is just another bro science vid

[@DroneRecipe]

the science of bro :)

[@DroneRecipe]

lol

[@afrog2666]

@@DroneRecipe Just like comparing a 12V battery and the socket in your house right? Only variable..

[@pkvillager]

Man perfect timing, I have been wondering about this myself. My motors are getting worn out and half my 4S packs are dying. I get 4-5 min on my 490g AUW w/1500 lipo no GoPro rig. I can get 7min when just super slow cruising. All my gear is 6S rated sow swapping motors and packs can certainly double my flight times. I really like your slow methodical pace in gear choice. Master what you have if you have good components and don't jump on the bandwagon too soon.

[@blackforestfpv3046]

Best video imo covering the 6s topic by now. and i hate your facts. i have so many 2300 & 2600kv setups and 4s esc. what should i do with them now? just kidding ;) i personally ride the ultrlight/featherlight train the last couple months. AUWs under 450g incl. Session4 running 4s 1000 - 1300mah packs and 2205 on a light prop. 3-6min of energetic flight and also less voltage sag throughout the pack. I also discovered much lower damage on crashes due to lower forces on impact. The flight feel is not for everyone, i have been told... i like it. it is so different and responsive. and a new dimension of tightness. perhaps you already had the chance, if not, i highly recommend to give it a shot. thanks for all your effort. i love your van and all the craftswork you invested. keep on going!!

[@MrSteeleFPV]

HHaha :). Thank you so much man yup lower the weight less damage. For sure. With a freestyle rig it’s a sweet spot. For me between 550-600g is the sweet spot. Any heavier and shit breaks and lighter and it doesn’t huck as nicely

[@illusionfpv1326]

10:22 the fact that he knows what drone it is just by hearing the motors is amazing!! It shows how long he has been in this hobby for.

[@RobbieM07x]

done and done. thanks for all the necessary info without the hype. also It's Thursday My Dudes!

[@MrSteeleFPV]

Hahahah. Thursday. MY DUDE !!

[@scottmarshall6766]

Best breakdown of the situation I've seen - Thanks for the thorough analysis. I just ordered 7 6S 1250's for try. Running 2300/2400kv on most of my quads, but am going to limit throttle to 75% and start swapping in lower KV motors. It's the flight time that's drawing me. I'm like the long flight times, and like you say, you only can really fly hard on the 1st half of most 4S batteries. Love the outtro!

[@Ammothief41]

Really knocked it out of the park on this vid! It's off season out in arizona so might think about building one for next winter.

[@t0tobi]

Thanks for all the Information. Really helpful. Waiting for your 1700kv motors to drop before i try it and i will definatly go with the 4-in-1.

[@vangelis.gavalakis]

"I hear a phantom" LOL :) Thanks for video.

[@Skankhunt-42-]

*consistency. Good vid. Worth the watch.

[@TheSpidersoftheworld]

i have been watching steele video's for years just bought a controller want to get started in fpv freestyle just need to build a drone thanks for getting me into this rotor riot and mainly MR steele .just need to get the stuff to build one and learn how to program ;-)thanks

[@jasonhull5712]

Aww man... let’s see here... 44.00 x 30 packs , 119.00 bucks for new motors, soldering on them ugly ass caps... a whole new tuning sesh, oh and can’t forget about the backup quad so times that by two.. carry the one ... and whammo just went broke for a few more ticks of the tock’s .... that bruh I’m all in, let’s do this shit ! Doe’ nee’ noo’ dam sponsors my dudes, gots me a job.. .. .. .. (Fo now dat is) .... most excellent of breakdowns in the history of ever my dude ! Thanks much for all the help , and time spent laying it all for us ! You the man Steele. And also , you know we are all waiting to hear your thoughts on the whole “Rapidfire “ module I seen you testing ... you know we didn’t miss that shit .... 🤘😁 C-ya ..

[@PIDtoolbox]

Interesting comparison. - Side note, throttle expo can be used to decrease the steepness of the throttle curve around the hover/cruise point. The throttle-to-lift relationship is not linear to begin with.

[@aldenhauser9555]

Throttle resolution on low end can be fixed by editing the throttle curve.

[@immie7278]

awesome!! i really want to build a 6s alien now! thanks for the great video!

[@Phiqtional]

Great explanation. I can see many people selling off their 4S packs to get 6S now. But yeah, longer flight time is a no brainer. I wouldn't mind giving it a try.

[@outabody381]

Awesome comparison. I'm really liking these new videos. I have a 6s setup I'm going to try soon and now I know a bit more about what I'm getting into.

[@GrizwoldFPV]

cant wait to try this out, waiting for you to do this so I know it works !

[@MrSteeleFPV]

Haha. Hell Yeah

[@toddspeck9415]

U are the Quad core professor. Awesome info.

[@jackfufpv8134]

Thanks for taking the time to give us some good information man.

[@David__]

Great explanation Steele. Been flying on 6s for a while & agree it does take some adjustment to get used to the decreased resolution + you definitely need the Low ESR Caps. I'm particularly liking 6s on my long-range 7" setups too. :)

[@daveskiefpv1184]

David Martin I’m building a long range 7” Chameleon, what Low ESR Caps should I be using uF/V. Never used them before on any of my builds.

[@AllenBrooks]

Been on the fence for a minute, more so with racing an sag....Thanks for intelligent and correlating review, next build 6s! 💯🍻

[@eric-janvandenbogaard9415]

Great in depth explanation ! Thank you !

[@fsarfino]

Thanks bro!!! the battery industry sincerely says Thank You :)

[@purrunit4360]

Love your videos, it was your " why fly 800mw " video that inspired me to go build my own drone and learn to fly but, to be fair in this video I dont feel that as far as battery life is concerned this was a fair comparison between 4s and 6s, you were very clearly pushing the 4s harder then the 6s but I'm sure its difficult to be exact.

[@airBornFpv]

agree - 6s flight was like nothing compare to 4s. Actually amp draw was same on similar moves like circling around an object, forward flight. The only difference I saw was max current being lower on 6s during punch outs about 20% lower , but that won't give longer flight time by that much on its own

[@WRXMENACE]

Haha what a freaky video cool man 2x mr steele drone screaming in 1 video

[@johnjparkhillhouston3334]

Thanks for the update man. Super helpful

[@clappedoutfpv2331]

Great video man. lots of good info

[@V1ZFN]

Thanks for breaking it down. really worth it.

[@KittFPV]

WOW! That was fking NUTS!! Man I'm pumped about this, I've been hearing fascinating things about 6s but you just blew my mind Sir. I've already got a decent amount of ballooning from running higher kv, so to hear sag is virtually gone on 6s, YES!! Bruhhhhh, now I've gotta try it. I can still see a little more maneuverability in your 4s stuff, it's kinda like when I run a Hero6 vs the Session, I could feel the difference but it's not like the more weight is hurting things, it's just changing them. SMASHED THAT THUMBS UP HOMIE :D

[@DavidOwensuk]

Great video Steele... Thanks for sharing...

[@odie4207]

Thanks for the help. I am still new and working on my first quad.So I think I will stick with 4s for now that is.

[@Pirxfpv]

Very informative. Thanks for sharing Mister

[@CharlieFPV]

Thanks for all the info Steele 👍

[@RIGeek.]

The spark when you connect it is only partially from the higher voltage. You added 4, 470ufd low ESR caps that you're now charging instantly when you connect the battery. Caps will [try to] charge, just as fast as they can discharge.

[@spenser5762]

Thanks for the in depth explanation dude!

[@mike94560]

I run a 6S 1500maH on my 7" quad. The bigger props give a nice boost in lift. So I notice the weight but not bad at all. It's not 5" quick but it is still fun. I like the variety.

[@kostat5221]

Question: You said the lower throtle resolution is worse with the 6s... isnt it possible to limit the throtle or change the mode to a different throttle curve to compensate for that?

[@Jamaicarasramarc]

Your right bro! I love my 6s setup too!

[@StacemanFPV]

Maybe throttle cap to help with throttle resolution?

[@MrSteeleFPV]

I was thinking about trying something like that.

[@eduenlamer]

Yeah! Play with throttle curves and get the resolution back. Put the last 30% of power in the last 5% of stick deflection - bonkers no2 boost xD

[@BeastFPV]

I'm here flying a 6s drone with 4s batteries because I already had the 4s. This really has me wanting to order some 6s!

[@freshfpv107]

Your reasoning for holding out on on 6s until now are the same reasons why I don't go out and always buy the first generation of new products that everybody a lot of times rave about. I always wait until the products are proven to work and work well and consistently. I hate throwing away money on unproven technology.

[@paalwik7791]

The whole hobby has been a unproven tech up until about now.

[@Flyash001]

Solid solid solid review 🤙🏼

[@slipperysebastian]

Great break down steele very honest

[@bizzfpv3984]

change your throttle curve add throttle expo. to get throttle resolution back...simple

[@flyinflux9962]

Damn, now I'm gonna have to build a 6S rig. Thanks for ruining my wallet Steele. I NEED those flight times.

[@Fincky]

Really cool inputs, I've just built a 6 inch 6S quad for cruising and long range but I might give it a go on my 5 inch when enough motor options are out

[@Louishouiller]

Why change to a 5inch? I've got a 6inch myself - what is your reasoning for going down?

[@LeviMaston]

Interesting stats. Lower max amps on 6S cuz Ohm said so. Lower temp on 6S as well, probably also due to the lower current. Thanks for the video.

[@porroco]

I tryed 5s on my mr steele quad build by flitetest and i like it so much that i order one more pair of rebel 5s high-C for my quad.

[@crackedink]

great vid there bud, good explanations, cant believe how much longer flight time your getting , pretty amazing, unfortunately in new zealand batteries are expensive , so the 6s are gona be reaaal expensive, but worth pondering fo sho

[@pingofthething5446]

I've only been fly quads for about 3 weeks from scratch... im already on 6s 😂 had about 6 flights on 4s then I got curious and I love it

[@Bludz]

Hate to be the one to say it and maybe you say it yourself (still watching the vid).... but.... your 6s pack has way more watt hours than your 4s pack, hense the much longer flight time. 1500mah 4s compares close to 1050mah 6s

[@Techdragonz]

yup, that's what i thought

[@Bludz]

Yea, Steeley knows it's more power overall. 15g for all the extra time seems like a no brainer

[@moelindsay422]

Same thinkadge man I use 1500 4s and some times with hard ripadge and get 4 to 5 mins

[@Deploracle]

Power =. V x A. Raising V means lower A for a given power usage. Lower A results in your capacity lasting longer.

[@Bludz]

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[@KlockworXMusic]

I learned about the pros and cons of 4s and 6s on a stretched 550 build I use for long range, 6s won me over, over an hour flight time and better feel. I bumped all my 6"/4s setups to 6"/5s and love it, but I need a different motor to bring them up to 6s. The winding on these look pretty *Stout* and with lower KV I am wondering how they might fair running 6"/6s? Still can't beat having a few 5"/4s setups around; cheap and effective.

[@VinceIrie]

Awesome test dude!! 🤘🏽😎

[@MrSteeleFPV]

🤗✊🏽

[@BariFPV]

And what's the difference? When lower Kv x higher voltage results in more or less same sort of rpm curve? Higher voltage setups are common in high endurance and durability setups, anyone heard of Prius 😜👍

[@johnnymac1976]

Awesome vid!

[@marc_frank]

Can I be a little picky about the flight footage? The DVR was a little transparent, fooling me into thinking there was a cut in the 4S footage. I also heard some talking, maybe from the stick cam.

[@RobertLeclercq]

Ethix Socal Meetup!!!! DO IT!

[@gaphonso]

Nice explanation ... What I would like to know is why jump to 6s and not 5s ?! For me Im using 5s and Team RaceKraft 5051 3-BLADE and it's amazing ... With this setup I can have a great hanging time... it's real difference expirence comparing with 4s dalprops 3blades (my old setup) ... Thanks !

[@bootsinshoes3198]

If the new 25amp 4-in-1 is able to handle 6s, one can assume that the single 25amp esc's can also? With respect to their amp limitations of course. This would be good to hear.

[@caymandiver75]

Very informative. Thanks for posting.

[@rott420]

Awesome comparison. One thing that I believe is off a bit though is the price of 6s packs. Companies do not need to create high C 6s packs for them to perform. Lower quality Lipos with 6 cells are going to work great because of the extra V and Watts. Buying a 4s 100C vs a 6s 100C, the 6s will be more expensive, but 100C 6s packs are not needed to achieve what you showed in this video. A pulse 6s 1050(75C) is 25-30$, yet the 4s 1550(100C) is $45 at some sites!? Pyrodrone is another example, the 1250 6s(75C) packs cost the same as a 1550 4s(95C). Keep up the great content!

[@MrSteeleFPV]

Still. More cells. Higher cost

[@JohnHoinville]

Steele, great comparison! Thanks. Nice flying, too.

[@skins6007]

Thanks man, good video, great info 👍

[@rilufuzz]

I know this is an old video, but the power these lipos can kick out is insane. yes, it's very quick "pulses", but non the less, pretty impressive. At the one minute mark in the video (or the first puch) the 6s drone pulls around 1.6 KILOWATTS from the battery, and around 1.1KW for the 4s. Thats bonkers :D

[@Anathol456]

great vid as always, please make comparison between rapidfire and laforge :) a lot of people are waiting for your opinion, me included

[@MrSteeleFPV]

Haha. Right now. I prefer the laforge v3. Still. But maybe a software update will change that

[@Demon-sn1qj]

I've Learned that conformal coating your lead to FC connection's will stop the Arking.

[@MIKEMIKEwolf]

Nice! Very informative man

[@lukebeam7014]

the pop when plugging 6s in annoying. was thinking a switch should be added somewhere on quad pig tail ?💁

[@lukebeam7014]

I know its not a thing but would be nice

[@ejohn420]

Why does 5s get skipped over? Lol I just bought some pyrodrone 5s packs 1250mah , 25 bucks. 175 grams. Get more power longer run time on those too, just not as dramatic as with 6s. Also I don’t have to change my hardware as much.

[@JustinGarciaIndustries]

Ethan exactly!! Why the low kv?? 2450kv on 6" 5s lipos ftw 👍👍

[@FUFUFUFPV]

this is way too crazy to watch mr :D

[@strangeskull]

Nice informative vid!!!...... thank you 🙏

[@WHEATSFPV]

good video, was wondering when you were going to do this Steele ! Hope to see ya at the rampage bro

[@MintyDraws270]

6s definitely just has some more balls, bigger punch and recovers closer to the ground. I still dont see the difference in a freestyle performance though overall, a 4s can still do anything a 6s can do and maybe even a little bit better. Now, as far as racing goes, I can see why people dont care about an extra 10 or 12 grams for a 6s battery, especially for a qualifying run...

[@scooterpie1143]

Excellent video, I like this. Your so knowledgeable and an excellent pilot. Rip a pack and share some tech, most excellent young sir. Thanks...

[@MrSteeleFPV]

Why thank you good sir :)

[@strattonford2557]

Steele can you show us how you wired the 4 in 1 ESC to the pdb??

[@DJBlackhawk]

Would like to see you compare 5S. Might it be the perfect sweet spot and no cons for you?

[@Krunked]

just got my 6s up and runnin! cannot go back. other quad will stay 4s until those batteries die. i wonder what 5s would feel like on the 2345's.

[@Joshuah2012]

“I hear a phantom” *gags*

[@air-headedaviator1805]

Do you think the same principle works in fixed wing aircraft for the sake of flight time?

[@t0ny747]

I think that pop you are getting when you plug in your battery is due to the caps you added. My 4s quad pops a lot more now that I added caps.

[@tmenet]

Mr Steele one pro you did not mention, i think, is that for the same flying style, i.e max watts, a 6s will be less hard on your batteries than 4s because the current will be less to get same power. Your batteries should last longer, more cycles, and run cooler yet deliver the same performance.

[@jcfpv3454]

Wow straight up skills

[@marc_frank]

4S feels better to you than 6S using Kiss. What about other flight software? Could it possibly also change behavior with highter voltage, just for the better and not worse.