Subaru CVT - To Service or Not To Service

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[@MrTubeniko]

Lifetime means until the warranty ends!

[@davidthompson1578]

My Outback failed at 80,000 Miles, locking and stalling the engine..

[@choking0smurf]

Yup. And original warranty was 60,000 miles. So fluid need replaced every 60m. Not that complicated lol.

[@kylerink3743]

Incredibly helpful! Thanks for doing the digging and finding the information.

[@rodh2168]

My 1990 AWD 2-door Justy (only 7 of this configuration sold in Canada), had an "ECVT" which was the first iteration a a modern CVT trans in any vehicle. I loved it. Back then no phony shift points. The speedo pointer went up as the tach needle went down...cool! The ECVT failed at 106k km. The case-hardening on a cone failed and a groove was worn into the cone by the belt. The belt would hang up in the groove then fall with a great jar to the system. I made a point that the failure was a manufacturing defect not a warranty item. I had the 100k km extended coverage and so Subaru blinked and came to the table. They'd supply a new trans if I paid the labour. After 10 years and 237k km I traded for a new 2001 Impreza. I loved that little car!

[@romanmunter800]

Super informative, I appreciate you making this, I think more people need to hear this.

[@raypencosky8296]

This guy is terrific! Subaru issue?? He has the answer!! Just bought a used Legacy and Mr. Subaru I'm sure, has all the answers for any issues. 👍

[@cmchan8824]

My local subaru dealer in Singapore change my 2015 Outback CVT fluid every 40,000km. Now at 120K Km , the outback running well.

[@jmoney6652]

Great info, I was just about to have mine flushed. You saved me my friend

[@krnscf]

I have a 2012 Impreza at 65k. getting the fluid changed ASAP. thank you for this!

[@therootedprogress]

Your absolutely right on how we need to know our service intervals and that this fluid as "lifetime" is a complete lie. From my own experience, I have the 2015 fxt and do offroading videos with it. I have had problems with my cvt almost every 30k miles. First time around 34K, I had a severe trans leak near the engine and transmission connection. So I took it to the dealer and they diagnosed it as a main seal leak and replaced fluids and the main seal. I continued to believe subaru and that they fluid and trans are lifetime. However, other FXT and CVT WRX were having issues with their cvts as well. Majority of them have had complete failures before 100K miles. I still had warranty so I kept the car as is and continued to drive it in severe conditions. At 74k I started to notice another oil leak similar to the prior leak at 34k. I took it to the dealer and they claimed it was coming from the transmission and so they said they needed to take it off the car and have it inspected. They found that the CVT chain was near failure and I needed my entire CVT replaced. I asked them how much it would cost if I did not have warranty and they said it would be $8000. Now I am about 20K away from the end of subaru's warranty and unfortunately instead of installing a transmission cooler, I am going to sell the car. It wouldn't be financially sound to have a car still loaned for about 18k and then have to replace a transmission for 8k. If I had the knowledge that I have now, I would have done the CVT fluid changes every 15-20k miles based off my severe driving. I would have definitely offroaded the car a bit differently and would have installed a transmission cooler from the start. Note that the new ascent and upcoming model of outback have transmission coolers added to them. Others, have added transmission coolers to their cvts and are getting around 200k miles now.

[@michaelanthony5335]

Comprehensive video. I wanted to change my transmission oil at 60,000 miles but after watching this I might just wait till the warranty is up.

[@MrSubaru1387]

Check with your dealer. Some will service them and honor warranty, some won't.

[@MrMcilwain]

Your videos are greatly appreciated thank you

[@gemboy4307ful]

Excellent info thank you for this video.

[@obloj]

Great content keep them coming. You are doing great job Sir.

[@MrSubaru1387]

Thanks!

[@sharmaLlama]

Very comprehensive Mr Subaru....thank you...😁👍

[@jimboakastormyweather9711]

Great info. Your level headed advice is much appreciated.

[@garyangelstad5212]

My stepson has a 2014 legacy sedan. We changed his when he had 110000 km on it. Periodically the trans temp light would come on which is why they extended the warranty. They replaced the valve body under warranty after we changed the fluid. To change the fluid we put it up on all 4 corners, drained it, refilled it but the last bit had to be put in while the wheels were turning. Used a small plastic hand pump he got from Subaru. Fluid was 25$ Canadian per litre and it took 6. Seems to work ok considering the way it is driven

[@Lucrativesoldier]

Thanks for the vid. This is the most confusing and misunderstood maintenance issue with Subaru. A call to Subaru USA was on the way until I came across this vid. Thanks again!✌🏾

[@MrSubaru1387]

You're welcome.

[@crazyjeff100]

You've done a wonderful job here with this video, hitting on the major points well. I'm at 72k, and it's honestly on the back of my mind all the time once this thing hits 100k.

[@wolfeadventures]

I wouldnt wait.

[@JeffBazell]

Just bought a 'used' new 2021 Legacy LTD with 5k miles. Found you in my research. You are my new 'go to' Subaru guy. Thanks for your forthrightness, humor and great eyebrows! LOL

[@rezlogan4787]

My brother changed his CVT fluid at 40,000 in an Impreza. The third party technician said his fluid was nearly clean, so I agree with the 60,000-80,000 mile guideline for most.

[@Laphoot]

agree. I'd say before hitting 100k miles (for any transmissions out there). I usually do it around 90k no matter what the "official" manual says. I've seen cars with transmission problems around 120-140k miles with those "lifetime fluids".

[@VictorPoulin]

@@Laphoot Unless you plow snow with your Subaru Crosstrek like I do then you may want to change it before 100k

[@robertweber3140]

Thank you for this VERY informative video!! Subaru is very cryptic when it comes to the CVT and associated challenging questions. They are losing touch with their customer base!. I experienced the same news from SOA "Lifetime sealed unit" I told them they were nuts, that oil breaks down. Even if not aggressive, in the hot summers, it's going to get hot carrying four over-sized adults plus luggage. They are using our vehicles as their test beds. Let us "hope" the filter is lifetime!

[@nef7939]

Thank you for the work on this issue. You rock

[@jasonmontgomery6691]

Thanks for this video. We are a Sabura family. We to believe in proactive maintenance.

[@killersushi99]

*Everything you said my service advisor said word for word. So I feel like I'm at least getting good info from my dealer. I have a 2014 XT Forester with 65K on it. Videos of it on my channel.*

[@jd5179]

I change my fluid every 20-30k , it's a cheap insurance. Fluids are cheap - transmissions not .

[@MrAirtyme]

How much did it cost

[@jd5179]

@@MrAirtyme just the cost of transmission fluid - fill drain 3x

[@NoName-gv6nm]

@@MrAirtyme I assume you are asking what it costs at a shop. CVT flush at a shop is 200-300 bucks. Mine was $220 for a 15 Altima

[@ausmartin1]

Never do flush, drain & refill use manufacturers oil and procedures on CVT's these are NOT old school Automatics. Counts majority of DIY out.

[@cbijames7]

@@NoName-gv6nm altima have junk CVTS transmission, so u need to service Nissan transmissions every 30,000 or one year. If u do this u will have no problems.

[@ItsMeRockyT]

Thanks for another video that just saved me a few hundred dollars :)

[@LuisMorales-fz5vd]

I appreciate your time and research!

[@markalexander2652]

Quite a few years ago myself and my mechanically inclined friend did my 2012 Impreza at around 80,000 miles. The fluid was blacker than night. All fluids need to be changed at some point. Subaru's lies are what will destroy your transmission. Preventative maintenance is key to the long survival of any vehicle.

[@BitWalker]

From what I've heard CVTs need more servicing than regular transmisions. I get mine serviced every 40k ish miles (I live in canada so thats an estimate). I used to get it serviced at my local subaru dealer, they had no issue with that schedule.

[@kelpking4484]

Why would it have a drain and a fill on it if it wasn't supposed to be serviced

[@Natter20002]

What I had heard (not confirmed0 is that when a manufacturer says 'lifetime" they only mean the warranty period. I believe they were forced to admit this in court. But I can't find the specific case. So yes, change the fluids if you're buying a high mileage past warranty. Thats just my opinion though. @@kelpking4484

[@user-en8tn8on6z]

You have convince me not to buy a cvt car now.

[@avidskier73]

Thanks for the video and your opinion, there are definitely some inconsistencies in Subaru's reasoning. I pulled the trigger on my 2011 Outback 2.5 CVT. Went to 104K and did a drain and fill. She was purchased new, cherished, and never, never abused. She has done mostly in-town, stop and go, some 100+ mile trips, and a few longer trips, and no towing. I've done a bit of maintenance on her already. From wheel bearings to shocks, brakes, to valve cover gaskets, throttle body cleaning, etc. Oil changed every 3-4 k miles with synthetic. My drain and fill process was completely DIY. With no "special tools" I put her front wheels on ramps and lifted her rear while making sure the trans pan was level. I was anticipating dirty fluid and while I believe this 104K fluid retained some viscosity, it was due to be changed. The consistency was still thinner but murky and what I deem contaminated. I find it amazing that Subaru claims it's a lifetime fluid (within reason). Like you explained, however pretty much all driving conditions would deem the original fluid not lifetime and require changing. Like you also mentioned this process was not DIY friendly. Matter of fact it was a PIA to get the approx 5.5 qts I drained, back in the trans case. The first 4 qts went in just fine but the last 1.5 qts were not so easy. I cycled through the gears, brought the trans up to temp, but she would not swallow anything additional. I turned her off, let her cool down, turned her back on, cycled through the gears again, and BAM, she allowed me to give her another 1.5 qts. A true exercise in patience. Now, as it relates to a "clean environment" you refer to when doing a drain and fill unless you're outside in a sandstorm while doing this job, and if you're reasonably careful, there should be no "contamination." With that said, I tend to error on the side of caution so, my conditions were super clean. In closing, she had a bit of a jerk, pre-drain going from high to low gears and that is now more or less gone. But I'm also one of those guys that notice and obsess over every little noise and nuance. Long story short, I recommend anyone, with a little mechanical inclination to try this job as it will extend the life of your Subie, for sure. Thanks Mr. Subaru!

[@DreyTheGamer]

Did you change your filter too did you just change the fluid? Was it done by a professional? How many miles do you have now?

[@avidskier73]

@@DreyTheGamer, as mentioned above this was done in my garage, by me, not a professional. Filter? There is no filter change in a "drain and fill". She's reaching the 107K mark

[@yorksta86]

@@DreyTheGamer exactly what I was wondering. I asked a shop to drain and fill and replace torque converter and they whined so much like they don't make money off anything but brakes or something.

[@nuttietrendchannel4265]

Just read your message and thanks God you left such a valuable instruction. I'm going to do mine, and never once YOutube people mentioned about the tran might not want to seep another in after 4qts. and let the car to cool down and retry works. Thank you.

[@mochenmat]

Thanks for this reply, So I was at my stealership getting a $120 OIL CHANGE, and they were about TRY and steal $440 for a cvt flush, but I know I can do this myself! These places are getting outrageous!

[@kuderbaggis555]

thank you for all the valuable info Mr Subaru !

[@nicksmith8166]

I get my CVT fluid flushed every 60K miles. Got 135K on my 2015 Outback and no issues with the CVT whatsoever. I had the fluid tested and it was showing signs of fluid breakdown. No way in hell these units should be “lifetime”

[@r.l.strange1897]

I’ve got 250000 on a 2011 outback and the cvt has never been serviced or replaced and still working good.

[@MrSubaru1387]

My brother's 2011 Outback 2.5i Limited CVT is currently at 186k mile, factory sealed, no service. Glad to know they'll take that kind of mileage.

[@mrtee3477]

Life time meaning 10 years 100K miles.

[@MrSubaru1387]

@@mrtee3477 Subaru rates timing chains as lifetime. That lifetime is definited as 300,000 miles. Where are you getting the 100k mile/10 year figure?

[@mrtee3477]

@@MrSubaru1387 There are more parts in Jatco CVT than just the chain Mr.

[@hastingb]

Thank you for the comment about Subaru owners. It's a fact, take care of a car and it'll take care of you. I just wish that Subaru would acknowledge us as a major contributor to the reputation of their cars. That being said, yes by all means Subaru needs to get the story straight on CVT maintenance. We want to know.

[@williammulligan2835]

Couldn't agree more. Follow the servicing manual until you're out of warranty, wait another 20k miles then change the CVT fluid. No matter what they say, as the belt slides over the Variator, small metal fragments will be produced. Especially under peak torque. The fluid will need to be changed at some point to maintain some hope of longevity (that's if the belt doesn't break). It will be interesting to see how the Levorg/WRX CVT fluid and transmission hold out over time.

[@joo772]

Finally a verdict. Thank you 🙏

[@richardburchett]

Thanks for a very informative video.

[@robertwilhelm1436]

I have a 2017 Forester. CVT is working fine. Got 95K on it now and will follow your recommendation and continue to 100K and likely not do anything to CVT until 120K. No leaks and no malfunctions so far. Thanks for the video help. Agree that Subaru needs to get it together on their CVT suggestions.

[@Ryanhalaszfilms]

Mine was black at 90k i would do it sooner

[@nuttietrendchannel4265]

2014 forester here, it seems like I'm having the CVT whining sound. and systems like when came to stop and put to park the car jerked, put into reverse the car didnt' want to fudge unless gave some gas. I did the transmission fluid drain and refill. The symptoms gone, but the whining stay. In short, do the service as early as possible if you passed the warranty period. The symptoms seem to show up right after my 100k miles. My car now has 120k miles.

[@Ryanhalaszfilms]

Yea you deff should have done it sooner. Idk why Subaru says don't change it. Ill change mine again at 140,000 miles. @@nuttietrendchannel4265

[@B-the-the-fpv-guy]

Thank you. I was told its a sealed systom and being a DIY oil change guy this just didn't sit right with me. My Ranger got 400,000 before it died and I like to keep my cars going as long as I can. I change fliud as a hobbie. This is now my go to vid.

[@jakefromstatepharm]

i got 250k on my LR3...basic maintenance...original engine trans tcase and diffs.

[@Nick_Logan]

Awesome video! You my friend are extremely knowledgeable. I have a 2015 Impreza 2.0i and trying to figure out what’s needed for a 60k tune up. Guess I will not touch my CVT. Thank you brother!

[@DesertPeacock]

My Palm Springs Subaru dealership also says lifetime transmission, never service. However, they did explain that there is a very small dipstick deep down beside the transmission for checking fluid level. They recommended that I not touch it. They occasionally check it just to make sure that it’s not running low on fluid or appears contaminated. My 2015 Impreza Sport Limited currently has 163,000 miles and still going strong. Our driving conditions are approximately 70% open highway and 30% city in high Southwest desert heat. We love it so much that we bought a 2019 Crosstrek Limited as our new go to long distance vehicle and drive the Impreza closer to home. Happy Subaru owner. Absolutely will buy again.

[@pdshaw]

Thank you for this video! I've been running around in circles trying to figure out what to do with my 2015 Forester. I've always heard not to touch the transmission, but it goes against everything I've ever learned!... I guess I leave it alone until I reach the 100,000 mile mark.

[@doctordryan]

I have a 2015 diesel foz. My Subaru specialist mechanic (not a dealer) tells me the fluid should be changed at 100k kms

[@motogp9253]

100k on the same fluid is no bueno.

[@aaron40cavalier]

I live in Wisconsin and work for a dealership we recommend replacing the cvt fluid every 100,000 miles. That being said usually when we change the fluid the particularly in the vehicles that use cvtf2 it is no longer the blue green color it turns to more of a honey color smells slightly different and feels thinner. I am a firm believer that at the very least it should be replaced every 100,000 miles. As oils thin out the pump has to work harder to build the same pressures to overcome the incresed fluid volume demands

[@marklafata6893]

Would you recommend a change and fill or a complete flash?

[@shanwar9844]

I have 53,000 miles on my 2019 forester. I will go with the 120,000 mile recommendation. It's all a guess somewhat but your advice is very helpful and thank you!

[@GeorgeWhitty]

Great explanation, even given the vagaries coming from Subaru. Thanks!

[@kartboarder22g17]

Thank you for doing this video, I was the one pestering you about this. Still the AWD clutch is within the CVT as it is in the 4EAT/5EAT, so I would think you'd get wear particles from those discs into the CVT. Also the F/R/N clutch again I would think you would get some wear particles into the CVT, probably minor here. Also the torque converter would produce wear particles. Not to mention transmission oil cooking while off roading/towing, etc. But I guess thats why they say 25k.... for that scenario. Just weird to me that they don't call out a service interval for normal use in the manual. Yet I totally agree with you I'm running it and will tell my service person at the Subaru Dealer my driving style that is not mountainous, not stop and go, not towing much, and if they say change at 120k or never, that's what I'll do and see if I get a new tranny when and if it goes out and taking my lifetime powertrain contract into consideration here. If I didn't have that I'd do what you say change at 120k. It seems like you say we early adopter CVT'ers are the Guinea Pigs for the CVT.

[@consaka1]

By their own definition, EVERY Subaru is seeing extreme service.

[@kyle1717]

LMFAO

[@charanjitsinghchanni7379]

Thank you Sit for this informative video

[@andyburris2555]

Thanks for this. I've been wondering about this topic I have a 2017 Forester that I drive in the mountains pretty extensively coming up on 50k miles. Will change it then.

[@markmalinowski5951]

The dealership in my area is trustworthy in my opinion, and they recommended changing the fluid every 60k in a long-winter area like ours.

[@michaelfredmon4748]

How long is your winter? I’m in NJ and with cold snowy winters, dealership’s advice is do not touch CVT before 100k miles.

[@markmalinowski5951]

@@michaelfredmon4748 Our winter can start in October and last until May if it's a doozy. We also get 300 inches of snow annually so the AWD gets a workout.

[@saigoneze4465]

been looking for a good subaru channel .Subbed.Please do some videos on the FA20Dit please!

[@MrSubaru1387]

If I can get my hands on one.

[@shadowzedge5793]

@@MrSubaru1387 I'd personally like to see a playlist regarding the FB20 since I have that in my 2012 Subaru Impreza Hatchback non-WRX 😁

[@donwooden6358]

This video answers all the questions that I had on the other video......I guess if Subaru is going to cover that transmission I'll leave it alone, but every mechanical nerve in my body is saying 'this ain't right!'

[@josephgalatha21]

I inherited my 2016 Outback 3.6 from my mother, and it had 16,000 miles on it after 5 years. Spent most of it's life in a parking garage. I was advised that maybe I should do both differentials just ... because... I have the oil sitting on the shelf in my garage. Car has 30,000 miles on it now, after almost a year in my possession. Sort of sitting on whether or not to do it; the dealership said "yes" - - but they thought they were going to get paid for it - - the car has no problems, no sign of anything amiss, so I think the advice to change it so early might be unwarranted. Thought I'd keep snooping around the forums and see what I could learn. Your pages look like a place I can gain much insight from. Thanks for your posts, they are useful, informative, and wonderfully absent of so much of the other noise.

[@TucsonDude]

Diff service is not that expensive or hard to do. I changed mine at 5000 miles and it was noticeably darker than new with iron dust on the drain plug magnet. I'd do it if you plan on keeping the car.

[@harmagician1]

Very helpful. The Zeus beard works well for you.

[@MrSubaru1387]

Thanks! 😂

[@morganreyman7929]

the best subaru gearbox must have been around year 2000, external filter and very easy serviced and NO problems( compared with the manual one )

[@vincentbaelde-millar670]

I don't know where you heard about problems with the manuals, but they're fine.

[@maxminyaylo3354]

Thank you for the video!

[@junegill]

FYI. I have 2017 Subaru Forester at 34k miles. I recently changed gear(differential) oil and transmission fluid from non-Subaru dealer mechanics becasue I started to hear and feel noise and stiffness when I drive my Subaru. People (some mechanics, forum, etc) usually recommend getting the services done at about 30k miles intervals or every 2years (just rough estimation).

[@susanjones5715]

I own a 2015 Legacy 3.6, and the dealership serviced my CVT and then it failed. Thank goodness they replaced it at no cost to me. So far I haven’t had any issues with the CVT. It’s been a great car. It’s now at 198,400 miles, I’ve maintained it well, I hope it’ll keep going past 300,000!

[@marvinthomas5633]

Same experience I had 3 weeks ago with my 2015 forester XT everything that you mentioned was the same experience I had thank goodness Subaru dealership replaced it for $0 charge or I would have been out of 8k dollars

[@KryptoKiddi]

How many miles was you at? I just got a valve body put on my legacy with 154k

[@marvinthomas5633]

@@KryptoKiddi 83k miles was on it before it needed to be replaced

[@KryptoKiddi]

@@marvinthomas5633 it needed a whole new transmission?

[@marvinthomas5633]

@@KryptoKiddi yes really seems like the trans can’t be serviced because one I had mines serviced it started leaking oil than the pump went out in it took it back to Subaru they replaced the whole transmission thank god I was still under 100k mileage to get the warranty replacement the next Subie I buy will be a manual transmission

[@vincentbaelde-millar670]

It sounds like subaru has engineered it as a lifetime sealed unit, where the lifetime is the warranty period, and then after that they can sell you a replacement transmission as it starts to wear.

[@robb7733]

Great point!

[@jimflick7564]

I drive a 2012 Outback, 147000 miles. I bought it in 2015 with 30000 miles. I change oil with a 5 w 30 blend every 4 or so thousand miles. Most miles are city. Ever since owning the car I have been very aware of oil burning problems with some Subarus so I check the oil level at least every other fuel fill up. I have never had to add oil between oil changes. I love the car. JF

[@bobjohnson541]

I had a really rare Subaru. A 1980 GL1800 wagon with an automatic. Furthermore, it was only 2 wheel drive. I had to search high and low to find an automatic Subaru for my wife, since she can't drive a stick (except a broom, haha). I had an 82 GL wagon with stick, Both lo and high 4 wheel drive. There was a hidden headlight right in the middle of the grill for off road. Had that wagon on some very steep jeep trails in Colorado in low 4wd and it climbed them easy with basic all weather tires. Also had a 90 GL wagon with hill holder clutch. Just came back to Subaru with a 17 Outback with 130k miles on it. Hope to get well over 200k out of it. Just hope the CVT doesn't fail. Wish I could get this in a stick.

[@gerardoruiz72]

My mechanic ( formerly 20+ years working for Subaru service ) told me that, if the gear box has no level indicator for the fluid it is supposed to be lifetime. Makes sense. ( Chile )

[@joeberz6691]

Do you have a video on the CVT fluid change? I am just about to 100,000 in my 2014 Outback and want to change it. Thanks for all your info, keep it up!

[@hermanoestrada401]

Thank you very much. I think dealerships that recommend frequent fluid changes are ones who know the “learning tool” thing and they’re shielding their customers from it. Thank you. I guess I’ll take my CVT to the dealership. It’s a hell of a bill but my Subie deserves the best.

[@4377paul]

Great. through coverage of Subaru CVT's. Have long experience with Japanese senior management. They fail to understand that rest of world operates differently. Getting answers to simple question on fluid change is good example. My 2014 Forester CVT had major warranty work at 96K. All wheel bearings and axels were replaced few months ago. New York suburban roads can be brutal. Now at 134K sense a power train issue. Was debating $400 fluid change at Subaru dealer. After watching this will go for it. Thanks.

[@colemanbonner]

Some of GM’s tiny cars with CVTs have an odd procedure for service, they literally tell techs to squirt this syringe of additive into the unit, not change the fluid. The crazy thing is it works instantly. I guess replenishing the oil’s additive package is what’s important. I’ve had them come in shuddering, shifting erratically, setting pressure DTCs, etc and one little ounce of schmoo fixes all the symptoms.

[@stefanc4873]

40k miles (~60k km) is recommended for cvt fluid change here in the EU . This is especially true if one makes lots of city traffic miles.

[@jkotekvolnycz]

The 40k miles / 60k km interval for CVT oil change in Subaru Outback is valid for regular use. However if the car is equiped with a towing device then the interval is cut to 2/3 or 40k km (circa 25k miles) that were mentioned early in the video. Also woth mentioning that CVT oil change policy has changed over the time as the first CVTs in Outback BR had a "lifetime" oil. But anything that moves must be lubricated and the oil gets old and dirty over the time not doing its job.

[@simpleszabo]

i learned my lesson from a VW jetta, "lifetime sealed transmission". started not engaging, found the fluid was black. I'd just pay attention to it, feel it in shifting and keep it clean. my subaru is older and has a dipstick, I change it when the fluid starts to lose its bright pinkish red color, usually every 60-70k. If the fluid keeps its color and shifts smooth then your doing something right.

[@Ryanhalaszfilms]

I serviced mine at 90,000 miles. Fluid was black. Drove like a dream after the change. I probably wont change it again though, takes a lot of fluid. I think one and done for the fluid. Id say go for it.

[@cobra454tim]

So on my 5EATI changed about every 20 to 30 K and I’m still running the OEM Subaru idemitsu hp stuff Actually I think my car from the factory came with low transmission fluid because for the first 10,000 miles on a hot day driving from 40 miles an hour coasting slowly to a stop the transmission would sort of buck back into first, I went to the dealer and they said everything was normal so when I actually did the actual checking, ride drove it around the city in 90° weather and did everything that the manual said I was actually pretty low once I filled it to the right level everything went away and it worked smoothly! I’m sick and tired of these loser dealers.

[@cmdrgjallapeno3334]

I work at a Subaru dealership in Canada and we do service CVT transmission. 🙂

[@Solrac77777]

@Janoy cresva Here is my opinion. I would recommend leaving the CVT "Sealed" until the manufactures warranty has expired. Once that expires, I would recommend doing a drain and fill. Be aware, the drain and fill will not fully flush out the CVT. Best of luck!!

[@rzzio8973]

Luv your content. You think you could do a video regarding cvt coolers pros and cons of any? Occasionally do little off-roading thinking installing to prevent hi temp

[@jazzjokesjalopies]

Thanks for a thoughtful video. My car is a 2015 Legacy 3.6R CVT bought new. Owner's manual says to check, not change. 108,000 miles so far, no problems. No severe duty, gently driven in level country. I want to keep the car long term. I'm thinking I'll change the fluid at 120K miles at the Subaru dealer. Seems a reasonable middle ground. Much appreciated.

[@darkforcextc]

Hi Jeff, Mines done almost 100,xxxkms. Your cvt still going well? I'm wery of CVT and thought about changing the car. Also got the 2015 3.6R, and this thing is a beast and great to drive.

[@jazzjokesjalopies]

@@darkforcextc Hi John, I had the CVT fluid changed and the car’s driving very well. Agree - great to drive. Thanks.

[@amberp2409]

Hi Mr. Subaru, Great video. Recently, I went to a nationwide tire and lube company for a simple oil change. Instead of draining my oil, they drained my CVT transmission fluid (2018 Forester with 37k miles). Rather than tell me, they put me out on the road in it. (In hindsight I should have known something was up because for the first time ever they didn’t try to sell me wiper blade, tires, tire alignments or any other product or maintenance.) I didn’t make it far, my car was shaking and felt like it was going to die. They immediately claimed it wasn’t something they did but later admitted to draining the fluid accidentally. Per the local Subaru dealership, it still had 2 quarts in it when it was towed to them. They said there were not metal shavings when they drained it. Do CVTs get pieces of metal in the fluid? Subaru just drained the rest, filled it back up and “reprogrammed it.” Is there something else I should have them do to check for damage? The transmission seems ok at the moment, but how worried should I be that I lost my 100k warranty on the CVT? Any advice would be appreciated. I’m a little lost. Thanks, Amber

[@MrSubaru1387]

Sue the oil change place. Demand a new transmission!

[@raver208]

So glad I came across this channel, much appreciated! I own a 2013 Subaru Impreza Limited (5-door). Just had my CVT drained/filled at 60,000 miles. was running well before and feels great now. Had my mechanic use 5.5. qt's of Pentosin CVT fluid. QUESTION: What does Subaru regard as "lifetime"? I purchase my vehicles and keep cars for 10-15 years. This car sees ~10,000 miles/year.

[@MrSubaru1387]

I don't know what they consider mileage/age wise as lifetime. Why did you not use the OE Subaru CVTF? Your extended warranty is void on the CVT now. Well, if Subaru can determine it's not the OE fluid, that is.

[@jessicafrelinghuysen2519]

@@MrSubaru1387 SO if you use the OE Subaru CVTF and have it changed at a dealer at 60,000 miles, the Subaru extended CVT warranty is not void? i.e. "It is okay to change the trans fluid in a 2017 Outback"

[@mopargranpa6660]

Thank you you answered my question

[@danpowlesland]

I had mine flushed, by the dealer around 75k on my 2014 outback. I do tow a boat occasionally and will probably go every 60k once i hit 120k. Awesome video!

[@RobPetty622]

Was it flushed or drained and replaced. My mechanic said he got rid of his flush machine because he found that flushing has a tendency to redistribute the metal particulate that had collected against the magnet. This in turn caused damage a little later. Just a word of caution.

[@danpowlesland]

@@RobPetty622 I'm not sure exactly what they did, but I am inclined to think they drained and replaced, no flushing

[@kargo27]

@@danpowlesland that is correct, there is no attachment on the CVT for a flush. Only drain and fill holes.

[@flyingtjar007]

I always thought the CVT was service somewhere around the 110k mark like the coolant, But I just looked at Subaru's technical information site, and there is not a single blurb about replacing or checking the CVT fluid.

[@fernandojalon5033]

Look at the maintenance book that came with your car. It has all schedule maintenance from 6-120K miles or Km. And it tells the owners whatsapp to be done.

[@christopheromeara689]

The dealer had me change my CVT at 90000. I told them the CVT had a 100000 warranty on it. They said Subaru would look at how I maintain it to honor warranty.

[@oldarkie3880]

That will just give them an out to replacing your failed CVT

[@thomaschampagne1736]

Love the videos man, always helpful and good humor in them. I have a question about a 2018 subaru crosstrek, cvt fluid is good for a while, but how often should I change the differential fluid?

[@MrSubaru1387]

30k miles is the interval I go by.

[@thomaschampagne1736]

Thanks a bunch man, didnt expect a response that quick 😂👌

[@davidanderson2393]

I asked at the Subaru dealer in my area what lubricant the CVT used and what interval it should be changed. The reply I received was that it used a blue grease which they called smurf grease and it should be inspected at 100,000 miles. They would pull an inspection cover and if it was not discolored it was good to go, that threw a red flag of course. Checked out your video's and ordered up the correct fluid and changed the CVT fluid and differentials on our Crosstrek with 50,000 miles, big thanks for the info.

[@johnshaft5613]

I had a 2015 Outback, and I drive a LOT of miles every year. Because of the CVT I will not buy another Subaru. Mine went out at 186K miles, which some will think is pretty good, but again, I need to get more miles out of a car than that. Since the CVT replacement was basically a $10K repair, I figured it made more sense to scrap the car, partly because it had several other nagging/hard to diagnose problems. I switched back to Toyota, every one of which I have owned went way beyond 186K miles. I strongly believe no car company can compare with Toyota/Lexus for long trouble-free life.

[@fred2320]

Got 215,000 out of my legacy and it is totally shot I feel your pain

[@dracorconsulting1417]

I'm at 265k on my 2015 outback

[@TucsonDude]

Isn't 186K miles the distance to the moon?

[@johnshaft5613]

@@TucsonDude Lol....isn't the speed of light 186K miles per second?

[@1800dontcare]

The start had me thinking about Hamlet lol “To be, or not to be that is the question” when you started 😂🤣 “should I service, or not service that is the question” lol

[@elusivellama]

The best way to service a belt-type CVT is to drive it to the nearest Toyota or Mazda dealer and trade it in.

[@MrSubaru1387]

They are chain, not belt.

[@elusivellama]

@@MrSubaru1387 An actual chain? The JATCO CVTs (which I know are not being used in Subarus now) are basically steel belts with thousands of little metal clips, and those ones suck. Actually, JATCO sucks in general.

[@elusivellama]

@@MrSubaru1387 www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/CVT-Chains.jpg This one, right? The one on the left is a Nissan belt, while the one on the right is a Subaru chain?

[@paul62462]

I am so glad I came across this. I brought my car to the dealership due to the fact they had an amazing price to do a synthetic oil change for only five dollars. They also did a full inspection I & with the car having only 83,000 miles on it, they recommended that I do a fuel injector cleaning, change the fluids in the CVT, and change the fluid in the rear differential. I am always using Lucas fuel injector cleaner so I don’t have to worry about that. The only thing I have to look into now is when I should do the rear differential. Thanks to you though I will wait till the vehicle has about 110,000 miles before I worry about doing anything to the transmission.

[@MrSubaru1387]

Diffs are 36k mile interval drain and refill.

[@paul62462]

MrSubaru1387 thank you for the reply. Is this an easy thing to do or does the balance of the car matter like the CVT? & if it is a diy, any suggestions?

[@MrSubaru1387]

@@paul62462 car needs to be level. I have several videos on servicing the differentials on the channel.

[@paul62462]

@@MrSubaru1387 im home now so ill be looking for them. Again Thanks

[@chrislebeast]

@@MrSubaru1387 is the differental fluid in cvt a special type or regular Motul Gear 300 75w90 100 Percent Synthetic Gear Oil 1 Liter work?

[@MrBigsmallguy]

Amazing video

[@danev1969]

Thanks again for an excellent and informative video. I'd like to know your name to thank you properly. From what I have read on the various service recommendations by dealers, they are mostly milking our wallets. I live in the Phoenix area and am told by our dealer that this (by location) means "heavy duty". But the official Subaru definition of Heavy Duty does not mention heat, it does mention Cold. We do not commute in heavy traffic, we do not tow and we drive fairly conservatively. What are you thoughts on this?

[@tengkengvang3894]

I see you posted this a year ago, but as a point of thought, fluid breaks down in heat. With Phoenix being an extremely hot area, I can't see that being good for the longevity of the fluid, regardless of how you drive it.

[@danieldekovic9706]

4eat has external oil filter. If you dont change oil you can at least change filter. There you go Subaru. Learn from your 4eat and make at least outer oil filter so that people can change it without opening transmision.

[@dawud7791]

great vid.

[@pavelborak3168]

Awesome vid. Do you have a video of replacing CVT transmission fluid on Crosstrack (XV) please? U talked about special tool from Subaru which will help in process. Thanks for your answer! Great job Man!

[@nwoods1124]

I’ve noticed my CVT has been making this weird clinking sound upon accelerating. This started around 110k miles. Subaru’s warranty only extends to 100k. Great!

[@burnlikeneon4044]

Trade it before it's too late! 110k is what it is.

[@irbeast69]

It’s your axles. If you had any sense of mechanics you’d know. 🙄

[@charlesgentry3758]

Yeah it's not ur trans. My clunking on 2018 was my front joints.

[@nwoods1124]

@@irbeast69 back-handed advice much appreciated

[@infotechsailor]

I accidentally drained my wifes transmission fluid the first time I went to do an oil change at about 40k ( dealer did the first 2 years of changes). Embarrassing but on the forester forums I saw other made same mistake. Just had to buy a few quarts of Honda CVT fluid and a pump and tubing attachment from auto parts store. The fill hole was on the top (drivers?) side and I just filled it up until it spilled over, had wife start it warm it up, shift around to each gear slowly to move fluid around and then I topped it off again. Guess I voided my warranty but that was several years ago no issues since then. Kinda glad I did it now I'm not scared to do it again.

[@RollerCoasterLineProductions]

Lots of people have made that mistake

[@sshah2545]

Lol, technically you probably did void your warranty but only if they find out. Almost impossible for them to discover that you made the fluid change or not

[@jamesindrihovic7247]

Thankyou.Good information.

[@MrSubaru1387]

Glad it was helpful!

[@ryanchambers4575]

Just took a 2 hour road trip constant driving up hill down hill and towards the end of the journey in stop and go the car started making a slip sound almost it shifts fine sounds normal besides that but my wife was able to isolate the issue by how hard/easy she was on the gas pedal. Not sure what it could be but I think even if you need to floor the pedal transmissions shouldn’t sound like that. Gonna drive it today to see if I can feel it. It’s my first Subaru so damn lol.

[@robstout1267]

Thanks for the video. I have been wondering about this CVT issue for some time as well. I have 2, 2011 outbacks (mine, wife), one at 118k the other at 75k. Frankly, it is still clear as mud now as before hearing your explanation. Just makes you go...mmm. Also, don't quite get why the fluid temp would matter. If you drain 4.5 quarts (or whatever amount) of cold fluid and replace the same amount of cold fluid, you haven't made any net change in fluid volume in the transmission. Or is it because there is no way to check if the fluid volume is low to begin with? I can also appreciate the contamination point, but more contaminants will come out with the old fluid than might go in with the new. I don't know. The tech I talked to at the local dealer said they were going to be getting a new machine this month that will make the CVT fluid change much better/simpler, so maybe Subaru is leaning in the direction of regular changes rather than "lifetime" fluid status. Thanks, again. I really enjoy your videos, even the ones that I know I would never dream of trying.

[@rogerhassell3212]

The Subaru CVT (at least on my 2015 Forester XT) has a lower drain hole and an upper fill hole. The only way to tell when it's full is to fill it until it starts leaking out of the fill hole. And that needs to be done while it's at operating temperature and with the engine running.

[@isaillis]

I suggest people who love manuals to grab one while they are still available and put one in the garage.. Its a joy to roll thru the gears and really control the car. Not the car telling you which gear u should be doing!

[@Dranreb865]

Ok mr racer!

[@tonyvelez9869]

I agree and cost of replacing a clutch is a fraction of the price of a new cvt transmission

[@TucsonDude]

If you could get the 2.5L engine with a manual, I'd own TWO. Otherwise, nah.

[@davidx8152]

Thanks Mr. Subaru - Can you advise if the EJ257 is more reliable than the FA20 in the 2018/19 WRX STi and WRX respectively? Would you say that the STi is the better vehicle from a mechanic/engineering point of view or is the standard WRX superior from the point of longevity, reliability etc and even performance?

[@kawa1755]

I worked at a Subaru dealer. What we recommend is changing the fluid every 30k miles with filter. We never recommend a flush because we did one on a 130k mile Subaru Forester and it cleaned the system so well that it gummed up the valves and caused failure. Constant changes will prevent building up of contaminants and debris. Honestly for my personal vehicle every 50k which is where i do my differential oil changes. Never had an issue. Fluid comes out clean. I am at 180k on my 2015 Subaru legacy running just fine. It is starting to have trouble shifting into Drive. It takes 2 secs to switch before that was instanttly but i mean all vehicles get some wear and tear.

[@jd-py5nm]

sounds like leasing is the way to go on these newer ones. Unless servicing can be done more easily. I'd want it done every 25k

[@NRGRX]

Or buy low mileage, certified used 100k powertrain warranty and sell before it expires.

[@christianhernandez9172]

At our dealership we recommend every 90k to change out the CVT fluid. We are in Texas so we deal with extreme heat a good portion of the year, that and all the traffic we have been getting. It's about as severe it can be for driving conditions.

[@BicMichuM]

Funny here in IL bet 50k to 60k sub dealer said

[@MrXManQ]

Severe driving conditions?? Y’all don’t even have extreme weather or mountains😂

[@christianhernandez9172]

@@MrXManQ look up extreme driving conditions in the owners manual of your vehicle, it will tell you what the manufacturers consider extreme...

[@NoName-gv6nm]

​@Christian Hernandez extreme conditions means towing, off roading, hauling heavy loads, or taxi services. Hot weather isn't extreme. Modern vehicles aren't affecting by weather much.

[@jaimemartin6748]

02 Forester... 230K mi \m/ Wife just bought an Ascent... at first I was happy.. (yay, no xmission services), but now I'm kinda iffy. Thanks for the advice... Now I gotta learn how to replace it. :)

[@mikemichaels1875]

My dealership recommended a additive be added at 60,000. I opted for that and they accidently changed the fluid anyway. I was not happy since they charged me for it. I was eventually credited. They recommend changing the fluid at 120'000.

[@sksupply]

You mentioned Nissan CVT transmissions in the last videos. Someone just gave me a 2005 Murano after going through 3 transmissions. Pretty darn sad. I sold it for parts.

[@MrSubaru1387]

Just about all you can do with them it seems.