Is The Batman The New Gold Standard? - Spoiler Review

[@Wolfman7870]

I laughed when Batman said "no guns" and Gordon said, "That's your thing, man." Great relationship.

[@SayMy_User_Name]

I just love how Gordon referred to Batman as “man” or “chief” throughout the entire movie lol never once did he or anyone else actually call him “Batman”

[@CaptainTitforce]

@@SayMy_User_Name didn't Alfred call him batman in the first scene with them?

[@SayMy_User_Name]

@@CaptainTitforce did he? I mean maybe I could’ve missed it, if so, then that’s the only time anyone referred to him as Batman

[@CaptainTitforce]

@@SayMy_User_Name I'm pretty sure that in the scene, where Bruce is rewatching his recordings of the first crime scene and stops on the letter saying "to the batman", Alfred says something along the lines of "He's writing to the batman?" but yeah that's probably the only instance, like you said, and even that wasn't really calling him batman directly. Most just seemed to call him Vengeance :p.

[@snusemcgoose1001]

@@CaptainTitforce or penguins “Take it easy Sweetheart!”

[@rikorobinson]

I disagree that the final action scene was tacked on later for one major reason. Without that scene, Batman's arc is incomplete. It's only when the Riddler thug says, "I'm vengeance," that Batman finally sees that he needs to be more than he was at the beginning of the movie, when the guy he saved in the subway is just as afraid of him as the thugs whose asses he just kicked. After the fighting has stopped in that final scene, they show him leading the innocent people out of the darkness and into the light as he realizes he has to be hope; not vengeance. Without that stuff, Batman's arc would've been bafflingly incomplete in this movie. I have to think that was the intended ending all along, as it brings things around full circle. I could be wrong, but I don't think so. But Mason is right that it could've been better alluded to earlier...It's a bit of a flawed Chekov's Gun.

[@pkim0356]

Completely agree. I dislike how many interpretations of Batman just have him be edgy or pretend to/actually not care about anyone. If you've seen Cosmonaut's videos, he always says Batman loves life and saves lives whenever possible. The idea of him being hope, while having villains terrified of him, is perfect. People who have a reason to fear him fear him, while people who have done nothing wrong breathe a sign of relief when he shows up.

[@Renoistic]

While I liked Batman's 'redemption' scene it does kind of come from nowhere, as Batman really doesn't seem all that conflicted about how people react to him earlier. It sure took A LOT to finally get through to him haha

[@Trefox87]

@@Renoistic that could have been a good thing to establish more during catwoman's plot, like have him show more genuine concern for her in the club as his eyes and ears, possibly by having him have set up some kind of back up plan to get her out if it seemed she was going to get caught, or something along the lines of him caring about others. It was kind of implied with the mayor's sone, when as Bruce, he leaps to save him from the car, but that only be seen as him just seeing a reflection of himself rather than caring for the people

[@groverkiinmuppetborn714]

I wish they alluded to Riddler's final plan earlier as well. I agree with everything

[@KnightofZyryab]

Great summary - that is always the fascinating thing about Batman. He's the one man who walks into hell to rescue everyone who happens to have been dragged down into it by men like the Riddler. Seeing him covered in dust and ash while rescuing people from the flood was iconic.

[@garcia8523able]

When Bruce realize Alfred was in danger and speeds thru Gotham and let’s out a scream of desperation when Alfred doesn’t answer gave me chills I really thought they were gonna kill him off

[@karlijns4816]

particularly when they then revealed the bomb had gone of an hour earlier.

[@citizentuck]

The moment when Bruce takes Alfred’s hand. Oof

[@marioquinoz7199]

Imagine being an idiot and thinking they would kill off alfred

[@m0stdoPeDUDE12099]

it’s the first movie, they would’ve been stupid to do so

[@KRcanondaisa]

Hearing Bruce speaking in his normal voice while suited up as Batman was really cool too, it really humanized him in that moment

[@davidshead1323]

The end fight being against "randos" really worked for me and stopped it just being another standard superhero ending because it was the largest consequence thematically and is more real world scary. Like real internet creeps taking action and trying to kill people is terrifying and concluding this particular story with Batman having inspired that himself was the most effective end to it than just, superhero flights the villain at the end.

[@gamblertoguru382]

I hated the fight between randoms. They made Riddler give himself up just to pay homage to Se7ven lol. Theres really no reason Batman and Riddler couldn't have had a final showdown,and Batman then realizes he was inspiring the wrong thing. The confession scene literally couldve been done at the end in place of that random guy saying "I am vengence".

[@TheRedCap30]

@@gamblertoguru382 ngl that sounds so predictable. Riddler even says himself that he is strong in the mind, not cut out for fighting. What makes the rando guy saying it more impactful is the fact that regular people have been twisted into thinking vengeance is the answer- the same people Batman wants to protect

[@charisma-hornum-fries]

@@gamblertoguru382 I think the randos made it more updated and redesigned for 2022. I view them as a violent kind of a Q-anon army. Or how Manson had his army. In a sense Batman faught many riddlers at the same time.

[@EACru2002]

Yeah I can’t wrap my head around anyone complaining about it. Im usually so bored and tuned out of most superhero movies third acts, even movies I enjoy, because they always have to “up the stakes” until they’re fighting some alien invasion or mythical monster that I just don’t care about. So I was floored when The Batman went down the route it did. All of a sudden I’m sitting up in my seat because I’m seeing TRUE EVIL as it exists in the world. My emotional investment went way up and I’ll be honest, it hit me emotionally in a way I wasn’t expecting. Because the villains at the moment, what they’re doing is so vile and evil and happens in the real world, the film was a cathartic release like, I wish there was some superhero that would come down in these situations in reality and stop people this evil in the real world. Seeing him take them down got me pumping my fist like, “Fuck yeah Batman, kick their ass!” versus most other superhero movies third acts which I just let wash over me and go, “Meh. The effects were cool I guess.”

[@nurainiarsad7395]

Agree. If the end was somehow an epic Marvel fight with the Riddler the movie would have lost my immersion then. It’s stale by now. I like that it brought in a domestic terrorism angle in a believable way, because we the audience thought capturing the Riddler was it, movie done. But no, Batman being a recluse totally was out of the loop on the radicalisation potential of social platforms, and that the radicalisation was already done so it didn’t matter the Riddler was caught. And worse, *he* himself was the inspiration for the domestic terrorists. It’s terrifying because it can absolutely happen in real life and in fact has actually already happened around the world.

[@dannydesperado9211]

It’s one of those movies where you watch it once and you think, “That was pretty good.” And then the farther you get away from it, you look back and say “You know what? That was *really* good.”

[@christof.the.engineer]

The opposite for me, I watched, it pained me and I will never watch again. Never seen sooooo many errors in a movie with such a cast. Very disappointed

[@nowonprzn7442]

I’ve honestly been liking it less n less the more I think about it

[@ryantheanimator1156]

I’m the opposite, feel like everyone on internet just overhyped and gushing over this movie like it’s the new “coming of Christ” comic book movie when it has quite a bit of problems like a inconsistent pacing, the long running time and certain story details not necessarily needed.

[@thrice2565]

bunch of marvel fanboys in this comment section

[@thrice2565]

@@ryantheanimator1156 ironic after you talking about how good no way home is

[@patrickmike2524]

It’s rare to leave a 3 hour movie and think I can’t wait to see this again. I want to see that like 2nd clue where it was about a rat with wings, which is clearly a bat. I wonder if that first clue showed that Riddler was saying how he thought Batman was working with him the whole time.

[@Adam-ho7xv]

after literally just getting home from watching it the second time i can say im so ready for a 3rd time in those seats

[@stephenwalker972]

I’m going for a 4th time lol

[@franciscast1636]

Oh yeah? I'm going for a tenth time 😎

[@MonroeRepublic]

Oooohhh yyeeeaaahh??? Well I'm going back in time to NOT watch it. Beat that.

[@patrickmike2524]

@@MonroeRepublic well…. I’m travel forward in time and watch the trilogy

[@squiddybaby]

one thing that i feel is heavily under appreciated in this movie is gotham city as a whole. from an aesthetic perspective they truly nailed the gothic, industrial feeling of gotham. a city that truly looks like no other. they also nailed the personality of gotham of a city that should probably just be burned down & never lived in

[@JoJoJoker]

That’s Liverpool, Mate!

[@rohithpadikkal7082]

@@JoJoJoker not exactly mate, they shot all across the world literally

[@publicoutlaw1731]

@@JoJoJoker Matt said he merged several areas like Chicago, UK, Mew York etc.

[@vincentvalentin5412]

I really appreciated that as well. That was what disappointed me about the new Blade Runner. It lacked the texture of the original.

[@superhuman51]

That’s ur underapprecation

[@dws0828]

The way Batman looked at the Riddler’s first victim’s son with utter defeat in his eyes and then the transistion into ‘Something in the Way’ gave me pure chills. And the way the Compassion he showed towards the mayor’s son is the reason the son helps Gotham trust Batman in the end was just beautiful

[@jamesoblivion]

Everything that's being tagged as Saw-influenced just comes across to me as SE7EN-influenced. The kills are meant to be symbolic, like John Doe's murders. What I think is odd is that more people aren't mentioning Halloween as a cinematic influence. Riddler acts like Michael Myers in the murder scenes, and the movie even starts on October 31, with a POV shot from a masked killer, complete with heavy breathing.

[@Krondon-SSR]

Hmm i've only heard the 1 trap be called Saw influence

[@thedarkemissary]

Those critics aren't old enough to have seen Se7en.

[@doomstadt2371]

They just see anything that's a hyper stylized serial killer and call it "SAW like" because people love feeling clever and dropping a reference. Even funnier because I always thought SAW was just a Batman villain that escaped the comics lol

[@losgann]

SAW 1 is definitely heavily SE7EN inspired but it's distinct enough stylistically (especially the sequels) that something can seem "SAW influenced" without it being more accurate to say "SE7EN influenced". Home built mechanisms, front row seats to his riddles, industrial aesthetics and a lair papered with plans and research are very SAW. I think The Batman has a lot of both SE7EN and SAW influences, but the SAW influences were much more surprising to see show up in a comic book movie. It's fitting though since Jigsaw is basically the Riddler, putting people into death traps and then hiding the clues to escape/win in wordplay and riddles. I don't disagree with your Halloween observations but to continue being a SAW advocate, it was also very similar to a Pig-Head attack, where you see the pig in the background before it swiftly attacks.

[@SceneWins]

The director specifically stated homage to Se7en and Zodiac. Anybody who sees this and thinks Saw clearly has not seen Se7en.

[@WonderingCaldera]

Gotham was a character and the people felt like they mattered. I could see the world as a tangible reality. Close to what we feel now.

[@robbieclark7828]

Good point. Thinking about it now, The Dark Knight in particular doesn’t really feature the people of Gotham, outside of the quandary with the two boats. In Batman Begins you have the third act where people in the narrows are in trouble and Dark Knight Rises has a fair amount of stuff with Gothamites looting and the whole martial law thing.

[@thisisfyne]

Putting Gotham itself aside, it was really refreshing to see a movie in which people - everyone, even background extras - acted like actual human beings emoting to the events happening. It's not rare to see a big budget film and people in the background are just standing there to fill some space. Not here. It was particularly noticeable in the underground club and Square Garden finale. It really raises the stakes when you feel anyone in the scene could suddenly become part of the story.

[@RiggidyNick]

It’s also very greasy. It’s actually kind of immersion breaking that Robat isn’t loaded up with pimples between his make up, his obvious lack of hygiene and the residual grease that living in this Gotham should’ve left on him. I give this movie 1 out of 6 stars.

[@orestmarkheva7325]

@@RiggidyNick next stop: "there is no way he doesn't have yeest infection, 0 out of 100"

[@Draliseth]

@@thisisfyne In the years since I've come to begrudge Nolan's use of citizens for exposition. The first movie where Gotham felt alive to me was Joker. I thought this film very much carried that torch as well.

[@SirBigWater]

During the scene where Penguin is tied up, when Batman and Gordon leave and we see Penguin waddling, you can see that he is wearing high heels. Just wanna point that out.

[@DylboFPS]

I noticed that also 🤣

[@JoJoJoker]

Yes! That made me laugh…didn’t catch he was walking like a penguin though.

[@christof.the.engineer]

Yes, he was wearing high heels all the time

[@simplebidnessman]

I thought he was!

[@NigelLam375]

2 scenes i REALLY enjoyed spoilers obviously 1. Introduction of the batmobile, that shit was intense here that engine and penguin just shitting himself 2. That scene where riddler is fucking singing ave maria while batman is like, wHaT hAvE yOu Done multiple times was hilarious. batman is a comedy movie 3. Mephisto making a cameo as one of selina's cats

[@ahmadalaama7217]

Bro when Riddler first appeared on the livestream, I burst out laughing. Then I whispered to my cousin whom I was going with, that the rider is a tier 3 pokimane sub

[@marcgonzalez9690]

I honestly couldn't take that interrogation scene seriously. Also nice way to let the bad guy get away while you Rev your engine a whole bunch, Mr. Vengeance

[@K3end0]

God that batmobile. At first I liked how batman did the classic 'despawns when no one is looking' thing, but then when the engine starts going...and keeps on building up...it's screeching filling the theatre...fucking hell that was good.

[@patrickmike2524]

It’s rare to be giddy from a scene but when he was revving the Batmobile I was basically vibrating in my chair excited

[@britishnerd3919]

@@marcgonzalez9690 I saw an idea that he stalled by accident because he's new to it

[@hada__02]

It really felt like an 80s/90s DC graphic novel being acted out in live action, I loved it

[@dylanmahaffey8920]

It definitely did feel like that, for good and bad. I did enjoy it for the most part.

[@thomasjuniardi3559]

That's why I love it. i grew up with that particular Batman comics 😁

[@CaffeyAaron]

Yea, it did. This is the comment I’ve been looking for. I really enjoyed how the film felt very old school, but still had a new school approach being based in modern times. The cinematography along with the retro, gloomy look on Gotham made this film such a delight.

[@MistaZULE]

@@CaffeyAaron Finally saw it and I agree. Having grown up with the 90s animated series it felt like that atmosphere in live action. I especially loved the focus on Batman being a detective something I loved about the show and was missed in the other live action batman (although I think the Nolan trilogy also did a good job showing Batman's intellect and detective skills). At points the movie felt like a buddy cop film with him and Gordon solving a mystery.

[@duggy1710]

As someone who’s been a Batman fan my whole life, I thought this was without a doubt the best on screen adaptation of both the character and Gotham as a whole, Robert Pattinson absolutely killed it and I can’t wait to see what comes next

[@sethfeldpausch4337]

It was definitely a very well made film, but I think Pattinson’s iteration of the Bruce Wayne persona has a lot of room to grow. I think it was intentional, but because he behaved as a depressed, angst ridden, recluse as Bruce Wayne, he nearly had his identity compromised. So I think a wise and more entertaining place to take that character in the next film would be to force Batman to play up the Bruce Wayne persona, he needs to draw attention AWAY from the fact that he is Batman, which he really didn’t do. Overall I LOVED this film, but to call it the best on screen adaptation seems a little hasty! Dark knight is a masterpiece and I don’t think this movie is gonna surpass it, even after multiple viewings!

[@lure3601]

@@sethfeldpausch4337 I hope that’s what they’re going for. Showing how the playboy persona gets created

[@duggy1710]

@@sethfeldpausch4337 definitely agree he needs to move towards the billionaire playboy and I think that’ll be really fun to watch him grow in that way as a character, and yeah I agree the Dark Knight is a masterpiece but just for me having been obsessed with Batman the animated series and The Long Halloween comic, this Batman and this Gotham felt perfect to me

[@cherre2080]

I second this

[@thedarkemissary]

@@sethfeldpausch4337 what do you mean "nearly had his identity compromised?"

[@seanloughran6714]

Batman and Jim interrogating Penguin was hysterical!

[@Satherian]

"WHAT'RE YOU SHOWIN ME?!? OH MY GOD!"

[@swaggy_warlord2915]

"OPEN YOUR EYESSS!"

[@jefferyepstein8348]

Personally I think the first twenty minutes of the Batman is better than Batman begins or at the very least shows a much more compelling world and versions of the characters

[@tomgurran4870]

The first twenty minutes is probably one of the best twenty minutes of cinema I've ever seen tbh

[@duggy1710]

That scene at the start with the implication of Batman possibly lurking in the shadows gives me goosebumps

[@cph4314]

It's so good because there's no time spent establishing Bruce Wayne/Batman, his trauma and motivations... immediately thrown in and introduced to the established Batman in this fleshed out world... amazing!

[@TheMrGiannisgr]

The first 20 minutes are the best of any CBM movie ever.

[@alexanderford3831]

It's almost like the introduction of a slasher; Freddy Kruger's Silhouette in the Alley, or the ending of the original Halloween.

[@charlesg.1702]

I do feel lie the final confrontation w the riddler goons was intentional in the writing, in order to prove that Batman didn't actually know what was happening the whole time. And the sea walls are alluded to pretty subtly earlier in the movie (in a news clipping or something). Personally i liked it and thought it was a pretty good twist in that batman solves all the riddles through out the chase but doesn't see the larger one.

[@ToomanyFrancis]

How can people hear Selina Kyle calling Batman "vengeance" casually and not catch the tongue-in-cheek humor in that? What about "thumb-drive"? Funniest shit I've ever seen.

[@shmow4716]

Yeah, and my personal favourite joke, The Penguin making fun of Batman and Gordon’s shit Spanish skills. Just the right amount of humour IMO

[@ToomanyFrancis]

@@shmow4716 That one was extra funny because we all were on The Penguins side. Who the hell hears "rat with wings" and thinks "ah yeah that's definitely a penguin"?

[@SSJPENGUIN]

I'm not a massive fan of dark humour but that "thumb drive" part really got me!!

[@SpiralSine6]

@@ToomanyFrancis “A rat with wings?? Ya know what that sounds like, a freakin *bat* !”

[@elderrusty541]

@@SpiralSine6 especially when it comes full circle with Riddler’s apartment having a cage with rats and a lone bat

[@B.r.u.i.s.e.W.a.y.n.e]

I think what got me the most about this movie was how flawed Batman was through the entire thing. I don't mean characteristically, I just mean all the little Ls he takes along the way. Nothing he does or uses seems fully realized just yet, and it gives you a real sense that this guy is still just figuring everything out as he goes along and hasn't quite gotten mastery over The Batman. It all culminates at the end with how Batman was unable to deduce the Riddler's ultimate plan until it was far too late to stop it entirely. Even though he was able to stop the riddler gang at the end it was more damage control at that point and when you think about it, Batman actually failed. I think that's one of the main things that sets this apart from other superhero movies.

[@teresaluz975]

*there's humor* When the Riddler said "hey guys!" I giggled so loud in the movie theatre. And Oz walking like a penguin when he was tied up after the car chase was funny, subtle but funny. There's lot of humor to be found. I really liked the movie. It's a good movie, not only a good Batman movie.

[@christof.the.engineer]

I laughed each time her hair was a mess and a second later perfect again. I loved when batman was wet, dry, wet, dry changing in seconds. For me the movie was a 3 hours accumulation of stupid mistakes

[@0741921]

@@christof.the.engineer imagine a grown man watching a movie about a guy wearing a bat suit and complaining about trivial things. You don't have to like it, but some opinions are genuinely stupid and need to be kept to self

[@christof.the.engineer]

@@0741921 imagine a post production guy getting paid thousands of dollars and can not even realize that there are more errors than minutes in the movie? I know that it is fiction movie (wouldnt say for children as it was in my opinion a little too dark for children) but i think it should still be possible to make the movie without such trivial errors like a 4ft boy is as tall as batman when he stands in the water, or that a car gets washed away by water but the person next to it doesnt... or that batman gets shot at from all directions and all bullets land in his chest plate... just because a movie is fiction, or like you say for children doesn mean you should not car about consistancy of shots. also, if any given product has a lot of errors than it is a bad product.

[@iambuhlockay8007]

@@christof.the.engineer This is the worst kind of film criticism for me. The cinemasins or mauler types, who are so overly pedantic that they let the most trivial nonsense ruin their enjoyment. Also, I’d be surprised if you didn’t make up or embellish most of those.

[@ThisIsCool45]

@@iambuhlockay8007 this guy would go mad if he sees critically acclaimed movies before the 80s that has continuity errors.

[@HOTD108_]

The Batman is the first superhero movie in years that actually felt like a real movie outside of the genre.

[@Lanosrep]

And by years, you mean 2 years? Since Joker?

[@ProbablyGalexy]

@@Lanosrep he means a real, good movie

[@bestthangever117]

@@Lanosrep You mean diet Taxi Driver and King of Comedy?

[@cable7152]

What, Infinity War felt like it really happened, oh wait that was Covid

[@loganwendigo937]

Since Logan at least

[@skyty0]

The sound design of the fight scenes was so goddamn good. The super thick THUD you'd hear whenever Batman punched someone was so brutal, made him seem like an absolute demon.

[@tenkenroo]

Also the wide shots were great. The thing that sucked about the Nolan trilogy was the fight scenes since they are all shaky cam with a thousand cuts. It was nice to see an actual fight scene with Batman in full profile

[@niklashegg]

@@tenkenroothe batman vs name scene would like to have a talk with you

[@funkoxen]

The scene lit only by muzzle flare from automatic weapon fire where all the protagonists were in black was just brilliant.

[@Marabcd315]

I loved the movie but it's kinda funny that you have people saying "oh he's only been doing this for 2 years he doesn't have anything figured out" but when you look at the Nolan movies he was batman for like 6 months and then gave up after murdering the district attorney

[@EdgeKnox]

Just a little detail, he was Batman for 1 year, not 6 months.

[@stephenwalker972]

Dang I thought bale was Batman for years; it was less than a year?

[@JoJoJoker]

Was there a defined timeline in the Nolan films?

[@luxurybuzz3681]

@@JoJoJoker TDK says 1 year since Batman Begins, TDKR says 8 years since TDK. These are said in the movies.

[@JoJoJoker]

@@luxurybuzz3681 ahh thanks! Was just curious I remember DKR giving a timeline.

[@TheTeleporter101]

I love how they constantly call Gotham a cesspool and a total pile of shit and I’m just there like “yeah that’s Liverpool” 😂

[@TheDarkside282]

😆🤣

[@makmanaman5415]

is Manchester better? I liven in Preston for a year

[@Jaxymann]

Oh god, now I can’t get the image of the painted goons at the start speaking to Batman in a scouse accent like “oo the fuch a’ you?” 😂

[@glopsnopper3806]

Ey laaa that’s the Batlad. Proper sick him yeno

[@cptsteele91]

Yeah, all the gleeful talk of how awful, gritty and dirty it is an I'm sat here feelin somewhat attacked

[@jimjimjim6841]

The best Batman moment in any live action movie was when he saves those people and carries one of them to safety. Beautiful.

[@syngibbs]

I watched the scene outside “Gotham City Hall” being filmed on the steps in my home city of Liverpool. The building they used is called St George’s Hall. Also when he jumps off the top of the GCPD, that’s the Liver building. Plus other shots around the Anglican cathedral and Anfield Crematorium. Liverpool has a lot of old iconic gothic buildings that inspired a lot of American architects when those cities were being built, which is why Chicago and New York can trace a lot of its influences back to it; and why the locations they used feel very Gotham-y. Also it rains a lot so they didn’t even need to edit that in.

[@britishnerd3919]

Director - "I want Gotham to look awful and disgusting" *Chooses Liverpool*

[@31ensar]

Half convinced the movie actually happened seeing as Lime Streets been completely fucked since they left and construction started 😂

[@akshayde]

Yeah but weta did all the rain and stuff i believe

[@alejandroortiz2539]

If they keep the city flooded in the sequel, I’m sure that would be really interesting if they do decide to use Mr. Freeze as the main villain

[@adamrielh]

Been ruminating about the same thing man

[@Clay3613]

No Man's Land.

[@tbohn10]

@@SuperMcSteel cinematic killer croc could be cool

[@zachiswayposi1]

@@tbohn10 It was definitely not cool the last time it happened

[@tbohn10]

@@zachiswayposi1 when was killer croc done in live action?

[@AwesomiteFilms]

Hearing them say they want the next one to be more light hearted hurts my soul. We have so so soooo many movies with jokes or quips, marvel is all quips. I am 100% on board with having 1 movie that takes itself seriously. You need a contrast to appreciate both sides of the aisle

[@dylanmahaffey8920]

I agree, my favorite Batman is serious Batman.

[@christof.the.engineer]

Yes I would also love a movie that takes itself serious or at least can be taken serious by the audience, but we will have to wait fort that, cos this movie has too many errors to be taken seriously

[@Kevinschart]

it was a little too dark for the run time. some of the scenes dragged and I just wish that the pace moved forward just a bit more.

[@lucasoheyze4597]

Grow up, Batman films SHOULD be for kids.

[@Clay3613]

Batman can have humor, it's a comic book movie...not everything is Watchmen or Sin City.

[@Crimsontears83]

There was an establishing shot of the wall with the water to the brim. Also, yeah the guy who said "I'm vengeance" is the guy Bruce talked to at the funeral and he was even wearing a green coat. It's clear that that stuff at the end was planned since the weapon used at the very beginning of the movie (the tucker) is paid off going into the ending fight scene

[@jeremyclements6906]

Riddler says in his final video that he's made all these internet friends months ago, which makes me think that the guy Bruce talks to already knew that Riddler planned on killing him.

[@Satherian]

Yeah, I saw that along with the multiple mentions of the Sea Wall and went "Oh fuck, he's definitely blowing that up"

[@jerryhastings496]

Super awesome job by Robat Batinbat!! Thanks so much for the great content you legends!

[@yuhyuh7603]

Loved, LOVED, *LOVED* the beginning when the two criminals were staring into the darkness afraid if Batman was there.

[@slothomatic]

During the scenes where Gordon was bringing Batman into crime scenes with all the other cops around, it felt a lot like what i pictured when reading the Dresden Files. Like the reaction when Murphy would bring Harry to a crime scene seems like it would be portrayed that way.

[@patrynize]

Ugh. Gimmie some more live action Dresden Files. I’m begging for it.

[@Bloodynine606]

No one is terrified of Harry Dresden

[@ashleytuchin7693]

Hiya, fellow Dresden fan! That's actually a pretty good comparison.

[@HQofrandom]

I was thinking the exact same thing later on while he was just looking through the evidence while the cop just looked on. Total Harry move

[@joogullae3456]

I love the Dresdon Files

[@aaronzalman]

This better not be a Twilight review, I swear to god…

[@michaelbuczek1767]

I’ve seen it twice already and can’t get it out of my mind. Pattinson was phenomenal from his voice to mannerisms to his movements and his eyes. Gotham felt so Gotham, the supporting cast was incredible. The score and soundtrack gives me chills. Thank you, Mr Reeves. Cannot wait to see what you have in store next.

[@stgeorgie]

I was thinking that, for this movie the phrase “I am vengeance” was very present, that maybe on the sequel it may be “I am the night” and for the last movie (IF they make a trilogy) RobBat BattenBat will finally say “I am Batman” Idk i was thinking bout it

[@filmaticpictures9693]

Genius. Noble prize.

[@stgeorgie]

I will gladly accept it

[@wwCs49]

Love it, but he did refer to himself as Batman in this one too (when he says how this all might be coming to an end)

[@justinvalentine2950]

“I am RobBat BattenBat” - Batman Villain “Wtf?”

[@stgeorgie]

@@wwCs49 you’re right! Well maybe he could do a little twist on it, say something like “no I was speaking about another batman thingy”

[@AdamJasper18]

Watched this movie for the first time today and absolutely loved it. Robbat Battinbat is now my favourite version of Batman. I agree that the Riddler fight at the end felt a little tacked on but still very much enjoyed the completion of his ark afterwards. My only other criticisms are that he took an explosion directly to the face and experience no visible damage other than being knocked out. Also the cops took an unconscious Batman all the way to the station and none of them took his mask off despite the fact that when he eventually wakes up multiple of them suddenly really want to take his mask off.

[@MixedTapeVideosNBA]

It also bothered me a bit that all of The Riddler's accomplices were wearing the exact same thing, but I think it may be implied they all were communicating extensively and bought the glasses, tape, and clothes from the same stores. Edit: Yes, I know it’s very explicit that they were communicating, I worded this poorly; what I meant is that it was odd to me at first that there wasn’t any variety in the quality and style of the outfits whatsoever. I also forgot about one of the comments that indicated where they could buy the mask. Thank you.

[@gunnerdoo2573]

Yeah on one of the comments on the riddlers video, it says something like “the mask is a winter combat mask and you can get it at (insert whatever the place was).” I think another comment said something about the jacket. So I guess they all just figured out which glasses, pants, boots, etc the riddler used and told everyone about it via his videos

[@suave-rider]

nah they also dressed the same in the 60s TV series.

[@HQofrandom]

Why would that bother you? That was the point that they dressed the same.

[@angrydoodle8919]

@@gunnerdoo2573 it was at the army surplus.

[@justanotherfollower4693]

I think your just looking into it to much

[@matthewmccarty6508]

There is something that is just completely mesmerizing with this iteration. Ten minutes in you know this something special. And listen, I love Christopher Nolan and his trilogy. The Dark Knight is a once in a generational film carried by the best joker we had ever seen. But The Batman is a true masterpiece from the first frame until the last. Casting/ writing/ direction/cinematography/ score/ What Matt Reeves has achieved Is wholly original. I’m sure I’m in the minority here but The Batman, I think, is the new gold standard. But just my opinion :-)

[@osyrisRae]

The exact SAME

[@ChefMonke07]

I'm with you bro. This Batman is fucking intense from start to finish. The fact that the world is so fucking immersive only helps the intensity of the film. It doesn't slow down with the mystery and action whatsoever.

[@sotorc1448]

@@ChefMonke07 what the fuck are you talking about. This movie was so God dam boring. There was 3 fight scenes. They all were average at best. The whole detective part was a joke. He basically just figured out every Riddle instantly. I seriously can't understand how people like this. They all keep saying the same exact thing. That it was just a masterpiece, and intense and immersive. But that's not really saying shit. Think about what actually happens in the 3 hours. Batman meets catwoman, who they had no spark at all. He finds out who killed his parents, Riddler goes to jail, city floods, people now trust batman a little more. The batman begins blows this out of the fucking water. I literally have a life size statue of batman and I checked my phone so many times to see when it was gonna be done. I Like learning new things when I go see a super hero movie but I didn't learn one new thing and all I seen was a shitty batman

[@TheNDofUO]

@@sotorc1448 😂😂😂 the way you describe what you don't like about it makes me love it more

[@sotorc1448]

@@TheNDofUO lol that says alot more about you then me. Also another person who can't even have a conversation about it. They instantly go to insults. Like you did.

[@AbeTheRock]

I loved it! The spurs on the boots was an amazing touch and the music, it felt like Batman was gonna come after everyone in the theater too.

[@lanagievski1540]

My favourite element of this movie is that at this point in Bruce’s life and career as Batman, he’s kind of a weird prick. He’s a depressed recluse, he’s greasy and gross looking, he’s snappy, he makes assumptions, he loses control, and he never stops being Batman. It also comes off as he legitimately never considered he could also make a change as Bruce Wayne which is what Alfred and even Reál were pushing him towards. He wants to be that fear but hasn’t yet realised that it caused even the people he protects to be afraid of him, which is why I believe the ending and the climax needed to happen as it did and have Bruce come to the realisation himself that he needs to be more, he needs to be a symbol of hope and safety for the people. He almost went too far in near-killing that thug but then prioritised the people instead once he shifted his focus to them being in danger. Even the people were reluctant to be helped by him at this point. This is the best live action Batman movie yet and the first one that makes Batman himself the most interesting character

[@Immafuggin182]

I’m seeing again tomorrow! This was everything I ever wanted from a Batman movie. It had a noir feel while still being current day. Best Batman, suit, car, score, Catwoman, and Riddler. It’s nice to finally see Batman on track with the comics but still being its own thing.

[@Immafuggin182]

Yea I just got out. It’s still my favorite

[@brosephstalin7]

The batmobile intro and chase scene viewed as a facsimile to a monster chase scene from the perspective of the Penguin was exactly what I think made that scene so incredible. When he looks into his rearview mirror and see's the batmobile lurching and growling through the oncoming traffic, its a feeling like he is being hunted down by a raging bear. I loved it. And the comparison to the fights in the movie with the Arkham series I think was spot on, playing Arkham before watching this movie always felt like I was letting batman down by getting clubbed in the back with a baseball bat, but after seeing Robert Pattinson endure the same treatment and triumph it just feels so gritty and real. A+ forsure

[@britishnerd3919]

In Scotland? They filmed it in Liverpool. Also I don't agree its humourless, I thought it had reasonably funny moments. I'd argue that the "its too humourless" arguments comes from people who have gotten too used to Marvel humour.

[@dougchee]

it was also filmed in glasgow.

[@TheDubastro]

The end shots with Batman and cat woman riding away were shot in Glasgow

[@shawnthompson2303]

Come on people, humorless?! THUMB DRIVE WAS FUCKING HILARIOUS.

[@rickygforce4217]

Yeah, you can't call it humourless just because the jokes aren't the typical in-your-face, SnL-level crap

[@lanagievski1540]

The humour it had was entirely appropriate as well as the amount of it. They are just too used to the Marvel formula. Humour =\\= Marvel quips

[@askingshoe2]

Just watched it last night. And it's definitely my favorite batman movie that's been made. Didn't even notice how long the movie was until it ended and my 9pm showing had me walking out at 12am.

[@thecinebuff6704]

I actually think the third act is really good and is thematically aligned with the first act. The movie starts with Batman questioning just how much of a difference he’s making in Gotham City. Yeah, he’s put the fear of God into the criminal circle, but even the regular people of Gotham are scared of him. It’s only at the end does he discover what he’s doing wrong when he hears the Riddler’s lackey saying that he’s vengeance. I wish that relationship between Batman and Riddler were fleshed out more. I’d have gladly done away with the Carmine Falcons stuff despite how entertaining that portion was.

[@parishsirius]

I liked the third act aswell. There are some moments that linger on more than it needs to. One particular moment that i noticed was when Batman gets shot by the thug, he's then hanging on for his life. The thug then stands up looks at Batman for few good seconds, reloads the gun then slowly puts the shot gun at Batman's head. All this happens so slowly.

[@jeremyclements6906]

I like that Batman has the initial issue of having inspired Riddler on accident, but he's already caught him. So... no issue anymore. THEN he finds out that this issue has spread and now it's out there in the world. By the end Batman realizes what he needs to become, but we all know it's too late.

[@thebandwagonfanpodcast]

This take on Batman was absolutely fantastic. The runtime didn't feel as long as it actually was, which was a credit to the acting and the storyline. I think all the actors gave incredible performances and were able to work with a solid script. This broken and depressed Bruce, ridden with PTSD, felt so nuanced and grounded. Catwoman was so good too! Zoe nailed the character and give us something that was so fun to watch on screen. Riddler and Gordan were fantastic as well, just so much was great about this. Though not perfect, this was a great Batman film.

[@princedandy3980]

One thing I haven't seen anyone comment on is how Riddler's voice was almost always filtered except for the scene where they arrest him in the cafe. He's muffled by his mask, is mostly talking through a camera phone, and even in the interrogation scene is talking through the glass and it parallels his distorted view of reality. Nice touch I think

[@phffffbt]

Even in the diner scene he only sees Batman through a rainy window.

[@vjizzzle1]

When they said he didn’t kill anyone, I’m almost sure some people died in that car chase… the truck and a few other car clearly exploded and the Batmobile drove right through the wreckage lol

[@ThreadBomb]

Those people were killed by Penguin.

[@enotsnavdier6867]

The Penguin is the one who crashed those trucks.

[@ikmnification5737]

Vengeance clearly used a thug at the end to shoot another thug.

[@wadeslilson1104]

@@ikmnification5737 true, but he twitches on the line that prevented him from falling to his death, so it counts as living

[@vjizzzle1]

@@ThreadBomb Penguin was being aggressively chased by Batman. Some of that blames falls on him... that is why cops sometimes stop a pursuit because it becomes to dangerous for civilians. Plus there were no consequences for Penguin or Batman after causing a 5-7 car pile up and an explosion on the highway

[@jjeKKell]

Actually it wasn't like Riddler's followers had similar outfits lying around. If you read the back-and-forth between followers on his fan page you'll see people talking about where to get the mask (cold weather military), and rest of gear, to look like Riddler, etc.

[@AlmightyArceus]

I actually think Gordon and The Penguin add the perfect amount of humor to this film. The Dark Knight Trilogy didn’t really have much comedy aside from Joker’s bits and the memes.

[@Good_Comms]

I still thought it was crazy that the GCPD started shooting in the stairwell of the precinct when he Batman breaks out. Bunch of co-workers walking up and down the steps

[@vitolibido]

Every scene was retarded, watch it again, cat woman grabbing a gun like a gangster to kill her own dad, when a bomb exploded in Batman’s face and then he wakes up and starts beating up the cops has to be one of the most retarded scenes ever, apparently Alfred also survived a bomb but they always show him in the hospital while Batman cries to him about his own dad… I can go on and on.. oh and not to mention the obvious how the riddler character was complete butchered.. the penguin is taller than Batman? and obviously Batman is too small to play batman. Everything was butchered in the movie

[@Devon.with.an.i]

I’ll come back to this video Friday after I watch the movie. Thank you for not putting any spoilers in the thumbnail or title. I’ve gotten screwed over a couple times from youtubers. Looking at you canadian lad

[@teamcoco228]

In the opening scene after the riddler kills the mayor the wall has some newspaper clippings that he writes "lies" on. One of them has a story about the seawall funding being cut by the renewal project. Probably meaning the money instead went to the mob. So I don't think the last scene is just added for the fight scene. Also in some of the panning shots you can see the seawalls and the water level is high because it rains for a week straight in the movie.

[@ironcladnomad5639]

I think the main difference between Reeves' "real world" and Nolan's "real world" is that Reeves wanted to start with the comics and strip things back to a more plausible basis - which is why his Batman uses a wingsuit and drives a car with zero gadgets or weapons - whereas Nolan wanted to start with the real world and build versions of the characters from that - which is why "Ra's al Ghul" was used as a legacy title, Joker wore face paint, and Bane used a mask to blunt the pain of his injuries. That's also why Reeves' Gotham has its own look and feel, but Nolan's Gotham is an amalgam of Chicago, Pittsburgh, and NYC.

[@KIRA-EL]

On the topic of him walking into crime scenes one of the brilliant things that happen throughout this movie is his footsteps they make them really intimidating he's got this slow deliberate movement and it's gotta be unsettling if you're in the room with him

[@minimann15]

I would love to see the sequel focus on Bruce building a relationship with Gordon and Harvey Dent as they take down Penguins operation while trying to stop/save Mr. Freeze. At the end of the movie Penguin is in custody but one of his henchmen group attacks harvey late at night and tortures him by pouring acid on his face but batman saves him but he fakes his death Then in the third movie after maybe 2 years the city builds monuments and a bank named after him with a giant Double Sides Quarter as their big logo outside. But Two Face comes out and attacks the city to try and get revenge on Batman for not saving him earlier and letting the penguin goons get away. Catwoman could come back and build the relationship on alfred while introducing a robin into the mix. At the end Two Face attacks the bank where he blows it up and the Quarter gets dropped and goes down into the old subway and into the Batcave. All the while there are mysterious killings where the victims are smiling and have a lot of Joker symbolisms. Then Boom fourth film focusing on Joker and Court of Owls. All of this was mainly just to see a version of the Penny in the Batcave

[@Mad-er6cw]

Lol, good one

[@groverkiinmuppetborn714]

lmao bruh

[@xxraptorxx8180]

Gives us a snowy Gotham and a blue aesthetic to go with the snow and ice of the penguin and mr freeze

[@dylpickle0927]

This is why we leave the writing to the professionals

[@minimann15]

@@dylpickle0927 lmaoo bruh i never said I was good I just have ideas

[@monapizza6085]

The flooding would make for an awesome setting for Mr.Freeze

[@TheMrGiannisgr]

The budget was inflated because of COVID. Matt Reeves’ budget for the film was around 100 million indeed.

[@christof.the.engineer]

Yes that explains all the unneeded errors in the movie. I am disappointed

[@macafromthewired]

@@christof.the.engineer what errors

[@christof.the.engineer]

@@macafromthewired like when she removes her helmet her hair is in all directions, a second later it's like she comes from the stylist (4 times in the movie), or Batman is in the rain, water dripping from his mask, camera changes, he is completely dry, camera changes again... trippin wet. or he falls from the truck (after jump from Police building and can barely walk, a minute later he meets Gordon and he has no limp or anything. another problem: gordon gets shot at and hides behind his car door. windows, and lights get shot... a few seconds later he drives off with the car all lights and windows are fine. ... during one ride with the bike batman's tires change in size 4 times.... on the map on the floor of Riddlers flat the explosives are spread all around the island (7 expolives) but when the riddler looks out of the window 6 expolsives accure on the side of the island facing Arkam. ... i watched the movie only once and wrote down 47 errors. will not watch it again

[@shawnthompson2303]

^^ This guy is probably still mad about the T-Rex paddock drop-off. Every movie has mistakes. Get over yourself.

[@damiantirado9616]

@@christof.the.engineer damn man. Why don’t you watch the sam raimi trilogy that shit has way more errors than any other movie

[@ryankelly8074]

I laughed about as hard as I ever have when he just slammed into that bridge. We're so used to this character perfectly expecting his plans. This interpretation of him is literally bullet proof. I was not expecting him to just get throttled by a bus and a bridge.

[@dieseltyme]

If this movie was a college essay it would definitely need to cite all of its sources, because there is not an original moment of this otherwise exceptional movie.

[@AaronSkone]

After just seeing this movie I gotta say that it is edging towards my favorite Batman movie ever. It isn't quite the cinematic masterpiece that The Dark Knight is known for, but as a Batman movie it really shines. I especially love that Batman is actually being a detective of sorts, something that was sorely missing from every other Batman movie. He does some detective stuff in the Nolan trilogy but it's more like "I have this insane technology that can help me jump over this small hurdle in my path to beat the villain." Whereas in this movie he actually has to be analytical, going so far as to use that magical contact lens to look at crime scenes after the fact and search for clues.

[@akshayde]

I have to say that I didn't enjoy nolans batman. The suit looks stupid and christian bale doesn't suit it. Bane is great and so is the joker and those are the only reasons along with the scale and spectacle that nolan gets done. But i dont watch it for the batman. Nolan also doesn't do subtlety and hits you over the head. I also find them hard to rewatch and they lack feeling. Like i dont feel anything. He seems like he is rushing from one sequence to the next to get the movie over with. Plus there is no moment of silence.. Hans zimmer is just everywhere all the time and I find his music trying to outshine the movie

[@RobotacularRoBob]

The ridiculous shattered bullet in the brick with a fingerprint on it still doesn't make sense to me. Whose fingerprint was it and what epiphany made him realize he figured something out?

[@akshayde]

@@RobotacularRoBob i think first he was matching which brick had the closest looking bullet hole and shatter pattern. Then he scanned the shattered bullet inside and then he tree fiddy

[@Bluntsmoke501]

I love how gritty and grounded the world felt in this movie

[@4589dude]

The last act was important for for Batmans arc (learning to become an actual hero and a beacon of hope) so you can't just remove it and end with the riddler being caught. It didn't feel tacked on to me and I'm happy it's there

[@ericwalsh2954]

This is probably the most accurate comic to film adaptation when you look at the way its paced and executed

[@zanfear]

What about Watchmen? V For Vendetta? Or is a graphic novel not a comic?

[@the_door_opener2622]

@@zanfear Geaphic Novels are not real art. Only comic books.

[@gamblertoguru382]

Now this I agree with,even though it lacks as a standalone movie. But if you read comics,you know they aren't meant to be standalone.

[@disclaimer.imjokin]

The more I think about this after seeing it the more I love it. Its so good

[@nathanwilliams3877]

Indeed. Can't wait to see it again

[@disclaimer.imjokin]

@@nathanwilliams3877 twice already.

[@ThreadBomb]

Really looking forward to buying the home release! And hopefully the era of "DVD extras" isn't entirely over yet.

[@dws0828]

@@ThreadBomb Matt Reeves said he’s gonna release that deleted joker scene on the home release so there should be some GREAT features we don’t even know about yet

[@thebatman4279]

@@disclaimer.imjokin 4 times here 🥺

[@pvtspeedy3613]

this was THE BATMAN, this had the same budget as black widow… everyone on this team loved this character please create a saga 🙏🏼

[@deriksandoval5263]

Matt Reeves says he wants to focus on a bat universe so I really hope it comes to fruition

[@tonywalters1027]

On the news during the "Riddler Introduction" scene, they mention the sea wall. So, they do set it up early on but don't mention it again for over 2 and half hours.

[@TadhgKennelly]

I missed that in the theatre and that was the idea I had for where I would have forshadowed the sea wall collapse haha

[@ferhog7705]

There's at least 1 establishing shot in the movie that gives the viewer a good look at a sea wall, which caught my attention and made they're use as a plot point later on feel justified when I watched the movie.

[@NathanDrakeTheGreat]

@@ferhog7705 I think they showed it when Riddler captures Colson, it stood out to me too.

[@manicassassin4542]

Also. The classical music is the theme from the opera where he lost his parents So many nods to his loss but without actually telling the story. Fucking phenomenal

[@cdbosh]

A few things to your commentary: His tech definitely does evolve even in the space of the week shown - I didn’t catch changes to his suit, but we see him working on both the batmobile and batcycle in the early cave scenes, and of course these show up mid- and end-movie, respectively. I’ll have to watch again for suit changes… Speaking of kit, his “batwing” is grounded in what is called a “wingsuit”, and that scene was fantastic given how it shows his inexperience, which is a strong feature in another key comic inspiration for Reeves’ Bat-verse, which was Batman: Earth One. Final kit comment: even though there is now more marketing material and toys out that call his injector “adrenaline”, I think that is just intentional misdirection because they cannot reveal it is actually Venom yet - I really hope that a “B plot” in some sequel will follow the Batman: Venom storyline, which is not just a grounded story, but also relatable and dives into more of the emotional/psychological profile of the Batman, which seems to be an objective of Reeves. As for the story arc, I like how you say it isn’t a “whodunnit” but a “whydunnit”, which is very true - I think also so many CBM fans are missing that this *is* a noir detective story (dark, always rainy, deep dramatic pauses, but also some dark humor), that happens to feature a comic-book character. It isn’t really supposed to be a “pew, pew, explosion”, more traditional CBM. And I think that plays into the criticism that it’s “too slow” - it’s just not what they were expecting. But I think it’s great - first “real” World’s Greatest Detective story on the big screen… felt like a comic or a story from Batman: The Animated Series. Or even a non-campy Batman’66. Speaking of which, this movie was a *huge* love-letter to the old TV series, and done in the *right* way, rather than how Batman & Robin tried to do that. Even down to how the cowl harkens to the Adam West costume, with the wider and flatter nose piece to the highly polished brow ridges that caused them to reflect with an almost blue glow, making the cowl have just a slight appearance of the silly, bright, painted-on brows of West’s. Working the riddles on the “batcomputer” with Alfred - very much like the TV show. Running down the building on a line (rather than climbing up). And honestly, the “big fight” at the end, that you guys felt “tacked on”… it was totally like an old TV series fight scene with Batman (and Robin) taking on a horde of henchmen, who of course would be in uniformly villain-themed costumes. The TV series villains didn’t really fight - that was for the henchmen to do. PS: they did have earlier hints at the Riddler recruiting his henchmen online, but I agree, these could have always been inserted later if it was “tacked on”, although I don’t believe it was. In part, and I don’t have confirmation, but I believe that the first street thug he beats down and says he’s “vengeance”… yeah, he’s the same thug on the catwalk in the final fight, which is why he echoes it back to him. Of course the street gang would be the perfect recruiting grounds for the Riddler. And it also drives home the point that much more clearly to have him repeat the phrase to Batman, especially *after* the Riddler has just put it into his mind that they are the same, that they were “working together”. This thug calling terroristic mass-murder “vengeance” draws a sharp relief for the Batman that he needs to change his shtick… And finally, about Batman’s arc … this is why I think it’s the best Batman movie so far: he starts out believing that he has to “save the city”, but he’s demoralized and muses if the city even *can* be saved. But that’s the thing: he’s focused on the city and on punishing criminals (i.e. that’s what “vengeance” is). That starts to change with his investigation of the mayor’s murder and his association with the boy. See, they don’t show all his two years of crime-fighting, but if it’s mostly like what they do show in the subway, he has *no* empathy for the victims of the crimes, and they are just as scared of him as the criminals (oh, an aside: you guys thought that these street thugs didn’t know who Batman was… no, they did, but it was also Halloween night, and they didn’t know that *this* was the real Batman… until he beat the shit out of the first one - after that, they got serious… and then scared). He just walks away from the commuter, who’s been attacked by thugs, but also is then terrified by the Batman. He also has *no* empathy for Selina when she spills her guts about her mother and childhood… he pauses, and you *think* he might comfort her, but then he just comments about the gear he’s setting her up with to complete the mission. And that was his mission - vengeance. Lie to himself that he was “saving the city” from crime, when really all he was doing was punishing criminals, because he was *still* just that little boy victim of crime himself. And that started to change when he made a connection to the mayor’s son - sure, it was a selfish connection, because he saw himself in the boy. The other victims of crimes over two years… apparently they were all people he could *not* see himself in, and I guess as a billionaire recluse, that may not be surprising he didn’t find anyone on the streets like himself. But when he finally did find someone like that - everything was set into motion. However, his “threshold” moment (i.e. in the “hero’s journey”) was the memorial. Alfred is glad to see him cleaned up and in a suit, going out into the world, but his hopes are quickly dashed: Bruce hasn’t magically changed - he’s just going in the hopes of locating the Riddler. And he does find him! But just at the moment when the boy is put into mortal peril, so the Batman has to choose: catch the Riddler or save the boy? Save the city, or save the *people* of the city? His evolving feelings about the boy and Selena help guide him from one to the other until (essentially) the final scene where his choice (or at least priority) becomes crystal clear: when reaching out his hand to begin the evacuation of the arena floor, it first seems to be going to the (new) mayor, and the framing of the shot reinforces this - but then the perspective shifts just a bit and we see Batman first take the hand of the boy. The Mayor represents the city, and the boy represents the people of the city, especially the victims of crime. The boy also of course represents the child in Bruce who is still traumatized. So by him turning to the people of the city and to his own childhood trauma as priorities before the “mission” to “save the city”, this completes his growth arc, and he can (again, in “hero’s journey” language) return from the “other world” (which was quite literally climbing out of a dark, inner world to the light, outer world) with his “boon”, which as heroes do, he then shares with everyone else in the “ordinary world”… hope was the boon he would share with the people of Gotham. Anyway, loooonnng comment, but that’s what happens when a CBM actually follows the traditions and techniques of good cinema!

[@cptsteele91]

It's cool how since Joker they seem to have finally realised "oh shit yeah, we actually have throw a halfway good film in there too"

[@SteveGeary52]

It's a 3 hour movie that feels like 2 hours, and they could have given me a 4th hour and I wouldn't have minded a bit. The BEST Batman movie yet.

[@dakneezbeez8844]

how?

[@jimhaverlock9784]

I enjoyed watching Batman come to the realization that he needed to be a hero. Not vengeance, but hope.

[@Maladjester]

The introduction to the Batmobile was almost worth the price of admission. You said it right, it was like a monster. Everyone is fighting, then there's a roar that drowns out the guns and yelling, and everyone stops. They don't know what it is, but they know the rules just changed. It's right up there with the Balrog.

[@domhuckle]

Penguin was one of the stand outs of this movie - Farell knocks it out the park Zoe kravitz nails catwoman too

[@wwCs49]

The only thing I can really criticize it for is maybe being a little long (I made the mistake of going to a 1030pm showing so maybe that’s on me) and 1 or 2 moments of wonky cgi. Besides that I wish (and this isn’t the film itself’s fault): they didn’t waste what should have been incredible “HOLY SHIT" moments in the trailer. the "im vengeance" beat down and car chase scene fell a little flat for me cuz we saw them a million times in trailers/tv spots. They’ve set the bar real high though and I cannot wait to see more of battinson and this universe! (Give us court of owls plz)

[@mss11235]

I, these days, avoid trailers like the plague for EVERY movie that I know I will want to see. I often see, probably, a first teaser or trailer that ends up being over a year in advance, but then avoid nearly ALL coverage of said film. I did this for Dune. And I did this for this film. I did this for the last 5 Star Wars films. And, I can say, it made every film more enjoyable. I watch films for the films and I do not really care about the "surrounding universe." I don't know if that's all option for you, but this whole film kept me on the edge of my seat, and, even though I knew who the main characters were and what the Batmobile vaguely looked like, the film was full of great moments for me.

[@cable7152]

So that was definitely Corn Coblin talking to Riddler in Arkham Asylum right?

[@everybodyknowslego]

Obviously it was Corn of Coblin

[@awesomecoolguy8857]

I think it was supposed to be pea of poker but I'm not so sure

[@ThreadBomb]

The best friends are covered with hot melted butter.

[@dws0828]

Thomas Wayne took his family’s corn… he’s gonna get it back, one way OR ANOTHER

[@cable7152]

@@ThreadBomb that's what those goons Batman fought painted their faces with.

[@chillones9574]

As a 40+ year old I must say this is the most comic to movie superhero movie I have ever seen. Thank you for this masterpiece.

[@jamesmaguire140]

I really hope the sequel still has a solid story arc and they don’t get carried away by bringing in too many villains (don’t need to see a joker anytime soon).I like the idea of him truly working hard on his mind to become the worlds greatest detective, that then being linked to Ra’s AL Ghul. The one who calls him the detective, could then be his next challenge. Then the love interest with Talia Al Ghul and the potential son Damien in the trilogy. I think this would both increase his intelligence and martial arts ability…🤔

[@OfAngelsAndAnarchist]

….no

[@whatinthek7931]

@@OfAngelsAndAnarchist you’re saying he doesn’t want that?

[@OfAngelsAndAnarchist]

@@whatinthek7931 saying it’s lame

[@ThreadBomb]

I agreed until you mentions Ra's. That character is too fantastical and not tied closely enough to Gotham for what this film universe needs.

[@dws0828]

I don’t think you should have the League of Assassins AND the Court of Owls in the same movie series, too many secret societies. Hope they go with the court of owls since they already borrowed from Scott Snyder’s work for this film

[@TidusX16]

This movie has so many things I love about it! I think it has to be discussed but is the sound design of the film. Never have the sound of footsteps or even a sound felt intimidating since Darth Vader. That idea of his footsteps being the first thing to hear in the shadows is just horror levels amazing.

[@robzs8388]

Yea the reality is that for me, apart from Ledger's Joker (which is simply one of the best on-screen villainous performances of all time) this is the best live-action Batman movie.

[@jimhaverlock9784]

That’s about where I’m at with this.

[@killergrooves2438]

I just rewatched it a year later (I waited until it was on HBO Max before I saw it the first time). It’s still such a great movie. The first time was better because it’s unraveling a mystery and I was hooked the entire time as Batman solves this mystery. But even knowing how everything played out on the second viewing, it was still a great movie and it was nice seeing how the pieces are laid out. The first viewing, you’re clueless just like Batman, so you’re not seeing all the puzzle pieces yet. But the second viewing, you know what all the pieces are and it’s nice seeing how Riddler set all this stuff up. The story is laid out so well that knowing the mystery and the secrets doesn’t hurt it. It just changes the experience. Like the movie “Seven” is still a great movie, even if you’ve seen it before.

[@riverreacts632]

This movie is without a doubt a masterpiece, and the two scenes that made me tear up on both of my viewings was the scene with Bruce talking to Alfred for the first time when Alfred wakes up in the hospital and the last narration scene when Batman is talking about how scars can make us stronger if we live through them

[@archmage7813]

It is interesting that these DC fans think this is a great movie. So Batman is so dumb that he's going to give up all his money, the very money that he desperately needs to be a superhero is somehow smart?

[@andrewfirth9858]

i think my favorite implication of this movie is that darker superhero movies can succeed. marvel has done so much to change the industry but im glad this is a completely different type

[@snowballandpals]

This had just the perfect amount of humor. Not every superhero needs to be filled with one liners like Marvel movies.

[@HeyitsmeUzi]

Did anyone else get chills in the opening scene? I had goosebumps.

[@ThreadBomb]

Yeah, that was expert filmmaking at work.

[@m.p.6039]

I love the idea that the luxury of being a weird trust fund kid is you don't have to be stylish and well groomed (something people fantasize about spending a lot of money on), but rather Bruce Wayne just shaves his head once a year.

[@QueenStewds]

My favorite funny moment in The Batman is when they've interrogated the penguin they tied his hands and feet together so when it chases after them as they leave he waddles like a penguin.

[@danthemaninthetrashcan]

37:05 They actually mentioned the sea wall in the debate on TV, the woman who later becomes the mayor mentions how they're not good enough or something like that. It's done with subtlety, but definitely included.

[@TdiAlejandro]

44:46 to be fair he did have a parachute but it didn’t really do anything other than get caught on a bridge

[@DesolateDude]

Arnold Schwarzenegger says 'Ice to meet you Mr Sunday Movies' 49:30

[@viniciusvyller9458]

The Riddler was just on point man, i've been calling out a fourth Nolan movie with The Riddler as a mastermind serial killer since 2012

[@hlash2558]

It’s amazing how there are some aspects of the movie like the video games, I think it adds to how well that captured Batman and other aspects of the universe to make it feel so real

[@jldoubleu4993]

I loved Pattinson’s Bruce Wayne so much. A pale, reclusive, almost gothic billionaire

[@tomimpala]

If you ask me, I bet he's batman. All the clues are there.

[@jasonmillsom2981]

@@tomimpala you might be onto something

[@jldoubleu4993]

@@jasonmillsom2981 uhhh...no? have you seen how geeky Bruce is??? no way he beats up so many criminals

[@thedarkemissary]

@@tomimpala Really? I bet he's Riddler. All the clues are there.

[@coltonketter9346]

14:33 I read that the composer said that the theme was directly influenced by the Imperial March

[@big.ben7246]

Regarding the theme sounding like the Imperial March, while that may be a true influence, I think it’s a cheeky tie in to the Nirvana song our emo friend loves so much. If you take the notes played and play them as chords, then slow them down they play like the music in Something in the Way

[@ThreadBomb]

Yeah, I'm wondering if the use of that chord sequence was actually an idea of the script writers'.

[@jakubrejak1114]

It also sounds similar to Chopin's Funeral March.

[@simonoosthuizen184]

The only issue I really had with this batman was that it didn't feel like a good detective mystery with twists that the viewer follow through the mystery until we all figure it out together, it was more like watching a character do some pretty average detective work while stumbling into plot devices that pushed him in the right direction, i.e the floorboard situation where the dude in the room just happened to recognise the tool. But overall I thought it was pretty pretty, very visually pleasing, lots of screenshottable frames. Also loved RobBatBattenBat as the BatMan

[@rumpleforeskin5607]

I feel like they had to make you like Batman, and that ending shot when he's looking up in the wind at the girl he just saved, that didn't want to let him go because she was scared, really sealed it. It make you feel like he was a good guy. It just took 3 hours to get there. Lolz.

[@christof.the.engineer]

Exactly, way too long to portray as a good guy. But where did all the mud on him come from? In a city if concrete?

[@lost8257]

@@christof.the.engineer bruh, a flood happened :|

[@ness4life]

I think the Wayne bill was supposed to include reinforcing the sea wall but since their death it remained to decay and weaken being a perfect fit in riddlers plan

[@bernardlazo1985]

The silent relationship between Batman and the mayors son really solidified the cinematography for this movie

[@DantheBatarang]

There is an establishing shot of the sea wall very early on in the movie, camera pans to the Iceberg Lounge.