Why is everyone so divided? - Thor: Love & Thunder Spoiler Review

[@mrsundaymovies]

No Caravan Of Garbage this week, we've decided to the occasional one week break between franchises. So this thing instead wow can you believe it!

[@jamesdalton6581]

When y’all gonna release the last air bender caravan of garbage? Didn’t y’all make it already

[@Jackbutcool]

Wow. I cannot believe it.

[@WesleyB-Rook]

I think you forgot a “do” good sir James. Hopefully you will read this and do the “do”…but not Mountain Dew. Just regular do

[@fernandoescobar4750]

>:( Mr Scumbag Movies.

[@taurinstraiter2325]

I can't believe it. But I forgive you if you finally cover the 3 Riddick movies. Everyone who watched these movies enjoyed them. Don't be afraid of the views, the Riddick movies are awesome! And people know that.

[@AppleWasMyIdea]

I agree with people that are saying the VFX in marvel movies isn't that good anymore. I have to say though, it's no fault of the VFX artists. I have three mates that worked on this film and many other Marvel projects in the past, and unfortunately, the VFX industry is one that is sorely mistreated by the Hollywood system. It also sucks that when a VFX house bids on a project/shot package, Disney for example, will always seek out a studio that will be more cost effective. VFX houses will then try outbid each other to see who can do the work for the lowest amount possible, even if it means a studio will end up taking a loss on a project, with zero profit, just so they can build their portfolio. What sucks even more is that Disney and other studios encourage this behaviour which only hurts the studios and its artists. The worst part is the hours these artists are essentially forced to work just to meet Disney's deadlines. My mates have worked 70 hour work weeks on average, barely see people or get sleep. It's crap. Not to mention, when a studio accepts a VFX house's bid for a project, that budget is locked. And Disney is known for making multiple revisions to their projects which the budget given simply can't justify, but gets done anyway. That's why you get not so great looking VFX. Studios like Disney burn out artists and don't pay them enough for their work. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.

[@Sue_Me_Too]

You just described "contracting" in general

[@jeremysmith4620]

So, Comrade, what are we going to do about the bourgeoisie and their mouse master? Perhaps the animators should own the animation studio and benefit from the full value of their labor. If all animation houses were owned by artists I doubt many would accept the premise of working for nothing just for "artist rep." It shouldn't work when low level content creators try to get free art in exchange for "exposure," so sure as hell shouldn't work when the largest media company comes knocking. We must hold these companies to account.

[@waldo109]

@@adamburke4738 But that's what an anecdote is. If you don't believe ANY anecdotes then why even listen to anyone? My brother works for a VFX house in Australia that Disney uses for all sorts of their projects, not just Marvel, and the industry is incredibly shady. There are no unions, there are no safeguards to stop these houses from working people overtime/weekends with no pay. And the houses themselves aren't the issue, they are almost always run by passionate people who want the best for their workers, but they work under this global umbrella that NEEDS to be run as tight as possible. VFX needs to be done in Australia so it can get to Canada so they can get their scenes to London and then to California because Disney wants them by yesterday. And all of this needs to be directed and consitent and fit together. And the end result, in terms of a working industry and landscape of young, recently graduated and vulnerable VFX artists, is a shitshow.

[@waldo109]

@@Sue_Me_Too Except the biggest contracting industries have had years and years of unions and protections and laws built around them to run as "professional" as they do today. The VFX industry has none of these.

[@Sue_Me_Too]

@@waldo109 The biggest industries, sure. The majority of people who work as contractors aren't in unions though.

[@Veprem]

The best part of the movie is when Christian Bale physically restrained the other actors to keep them from making quips while he acted his goddamn ass off to carry the film.

[@strettoasino9006]

Great Villainy.....

[@rahulsathyakumar1306]

Lol 😂

[@noctisluciscaelum211]

Christian bale the best part of the film. I felt gorr did feel wasted. They could of used any old joke villain to make it feel like a proper comedy if that's what they actually wanted. When Christian bale had scenes I felt like I was watching a different movie. When it was the others it reverted back to a comedy. He should of been used in avengers movie instead.

[@christianc.christian5025]

With a preview for ‘Amsterdam’ right before this movie, it really looks like Bale is going for the double-Oscar nomination this next year. Holy shit, that scene he has about “beheading” with the children? That was remarkable.

[@opx4real]

I thought he was painfully bad. Never fully committed to any specific voicing. In and out of his own accent. I wouldn't care that he's nothing like Gorr if he just committed to something.

[@zom8680]

The payoff for the screaming goats, either in the movie or a mid credits scene would be to suddenly stop screaming and be voiced by two very well known British or posh voice actors. And have them have a conversation.

[@Yareet101]

Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen - Prof X and Magneto are goats in this dimension.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

or just let a director THAT KNOWS Walter Simonson run of Thor and cut the goofy b.s. - the second week drop made it obvious that this film , no matter how "fun" it is will barely break even.

[@cyn1clcynide]

I vote for Jemaine Clement and Matt Berry to voice the goats

[@rohegarcia2802]

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 the movie needs about 500 million dollars o break even, and in 2 weeks, it’s already at 499 million. It’s going to break even, and even make profit.

[@Chronz]

@@rohegarcia2802 yeah but the historical drop off is a harbinger of the decline to come. Might just spell the end for thor solo movies

[@urquijom1]

Highly disagree with James on this one. There should have definitely been scenes of Gorr actually killing gods so that we could see how much of menace he actually is. Not getting those it just feels like he’s a threat because the movie says so & we never actually get to see why. We get some of the aftermath of his killings but it wasn’t much & they could’ve made them feel more horrific to emphasize that Gorr needed to be stopped.

[@gridlo]

I wonder if it's because the final showdown would seem anti climactic if we spend the movie watching gorr kill gods -- anticipating a huge fight with Thor

[@SX1995able]

I theorize that Waititi was just scared of doing such a dark character, or Disney was

[@kidunderabridge]

We don't even get a feel for the impact of him killing gods. Like, what does it mean for the universe? Literally nothing. Should have been in his own movie. This movie is the setup, with Gorr moving in the background, killing gods, which sets in motion this movie. The next movie, Thor goes to deal with Gorr because the fallout of his actions (killing gods)

[@kidunderabridge]

@@buffnipz I actually love Ragnarok because it was just right in my opinion. That movie Sci fi and our there and it worked because it was having fun while giving us weight of emotions with Thor and Loki and how they've grown so distant, and the final act had a lot of emotion over action, which is where it was needed. Love and Thunder tonally is a more serious movie, so the humor just doesn't work. Ragnarok is fine because we're thrust into this zany world of Sakaar, so it fits the tone

[@Yes-kf2mm]

What I thought while watching this was similar but in the other way. It seemed like Thor and Jane were just immensely powerful and it seemed a tad propped up by the plot, but then to have someone else extremely powerful and dangerous show up seemed to balance it. Others are entitled to call it lazy or unjustified, or in some way poor writing, but I honestly found it entertaining that they raised the stakes for both parties. Plus riding the tails of Endgame and The Batman I found there was real risk that isn’t normally present in “good guy fights bad guy and then good guy finds a way to win” movies, because even though they show Thor Working out and becoming the most powerful he’s ever been, he could still die. The villain was seriously capable of killing him as well, and it could have definitely been a path the writers went down.

[@Radagon145]

I feel that the problem with the movie is that there's no sense of urgency or real danger throughout the whole film; when the Asgardian kids were kidnapped it rapidly turned into a joke; we never see "the god butcher" actually killing (except for the opening scene) nor even fighting gods. For me at least is really hard to invest on a story like that.

[@ethanfox8908]

True, plus it's PG-13 so you knew nothing was gonna happen to them

[@thesnipingspider3852]

I onlt felt urgency when Gorr grabbed stronbreaker

[@movieclipsvideos1781]

Check out this deleted scene kzbin.infohQmnXN3HVEU?feature=share

[@johntuel2375]

Way to look for dumb reasons to not enjoy a fun ride. They were just having fun with this one and they made it very obvious. Like when Korg quickly "grew back". It's comic books.

[@cjtrules1]

@@johntuel2375 The tone of this film was extremely different than Ragnarok. Thor was supposed to be comedic but they even had good heartfelt scenes with Thor like when Odin was passing away and when Hela breaks Mjolnir. The comedy only comes in on Sakaar. Hela isn't a joke. Heimdall isn't a joke. Love and Thunder, EVERYONE other than Gorr are jokes. Everyone gets to be funny. Then the movie tries to have Gorr be a big threat to all Gods but we never really see that since Thor and Co are such goofballs. Fun ride but Gorr isn't supposed to be a funny character. Jane's situation isn't supposed to be overshadowed by all the comedy. Thor seeing his hammer again isn't supposed to be so funny.

[@mattchew8mealey921]

I think the issue Mason is trying to get at is that no one in the movie reacts to the idea that maybe Gorr is actually right. We see all these horrible Gods in the movie and none of the characters react in any meaningful way. This movie really needed a scene where either Thor or Jane questioned this dilemma and whether or not they needed to stop Gorr. Because based on what we see, the only reason the heroes have a cause to go after him is because he kidnapped the kids. If that plot element is removed from the movie what actual motivation do our heroes have to go on this journey? This movie was really missing a scene like that to give it an actual backbone.

[@princedandy3980]

This 100%

[@juandiegoferreira889]

For a god butcher, we sure don't see him kill that many gods lol

[@telltellyn]

People keep saying we needed 10 minutes of Gorr killing random gods but I'm not sure a bunch of CG action while the plot and characters take a back seat has ever improved any comic book film...

[@juandiegoferreira889]

@@telltellyn considering the movies a little under 2h... Considering Gorrs kills in the comics are iconic panels... And considering he's name is the god butcher lol You don't need 10 more minutes of him killing. If you did a 15 second edit recreating the comic panels it would have been miles better then what we saw. And again, his name is The god butcher lol. It's like an iron man movie with one iron man suit for 2 minutes and then the rest is just Tony.

[@adamburke4738]

@@telltellyn clown take on your part.

[@telltellyn]

@@juandiegoferreira889 I don't buy it could be significantly fixed in 15 seconds or if they had happened to give him a different name in the comics haha. Seems to me the bigger issue is that Gorr in the comics is very serious and all about creating dread, this film was a comedy. I dunno what else anyone expected from Waititi.

[@telltellyn]

@@adamburke4738 Comic book films are improved by mindless CG action? Or were the problems with this film way bigger?

[@dpenlow]

I really just wanted the final scene to pan over to reveal Sif's arm in Valhalla.

[@arachnid33]

Yes!

[@cjtrules1]

Honestly surprised that wasn't with Heimdall waiting for Jane in the post credits. It would have fit with the whole film.

[@whade62000]

The sword should have been Hela's sword. Not only is it then a nice piece of continuity (destroying Hela directly leading to Gorr), not only does it makes sense that it is the goddess of death that can kill other gods, but they have actually already used the Necrosword's look and abilities for Hela in Ragnarok (like when she grows giant black spikes out of the ground to attack Surtur with, that's a comic book Necrosword copy).

[@dankerpigeon9506]

I would have liked her to be in the film even for a brief moment to die in front Of Gorr at least. I get that she probably died when Asgard got destroyed but it seems like they really were setting that up in Ragnarok.

[@phil4909]

@@dankerpigeon9506 how were they setting that up at all? she got obliterated by surtur. Thats like saying palpatene was set up properly for his role in the last skywalker lol. Let dead people be dead please.

[@dankerpigeon9506]

@@phil4909 Like even in this series no one is dead unless you see a body.

[@bleepindeadalienbody]

wtf you're a genius

[@Boundless-Boredom]

@@dankerpigeon9506 that’s such an overused and shit excuse

[@37Kilo2]

They really wasted Christian Bale and Gorr. I was really excited when I heard he was playing the god butcher, but I was so disappointed with his limited screentime, and not enough god fights/deaths. For a 2 hour movie, it felt way too short and empty.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

That idiot Taika Waiti ruined the mythos in a minute - which will cost his goofy ass , Star Wars! hoping all new direction for phase 5 as Bob Chapek cleans house. Twitter be damned. MIKE MINE MARVEL! get it done, Bob . EXCELSIOR!

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

“He’s corrupted by the thing or whatever!” Is exactly the kind of analysis I want for the mcu

[@Yoshimitsu4prez]

ALSO. Rats definitely can get jealous and are more sentient than the axe

[@tomimpala]

I wouldn't be mad if the first 50 minutes was James going "anyway, Thor Love and Thunder, PSYCH IT'S STILL US FROM THE BEGINNING" with a one-minute review of the movie

[@MaxWelton]

13:11 I think the problem is: Marvel gave this job to Taika because Ragnarök was so popular. This combined with the other major issue: the decision to adapt Gorr The God Butcher AND Mighty Thor into a two hour piece. Those stories deserve some breathing room, yes, but they also demand a more serious tone. Taika has proven he isn’t the best at filming a serious, joke-less scene when it is warranted. With that being said, I do enjoy some of the things he and Jennifer Kayton Robinson were able to do within that framework. Gorr is still menacing and cool and somewhat interesting, despite deserving more severity and screen time; the last two pre-credits scenes are really touching; and a lot of the jokes did land for me. I consciously went in with an optimistic mindset, which helped me enjoy it more than Maso. I’d forgotten about the Marvel Formula. I will also admit the stakes feel way too low. Gorr literally plans on fulfilling his quest using a wishing well, which is quite abstract for a plot coupon. And Gorr doesn’t feel as threatening as he could’ve since we only see him Butcher one God.

[@turtlesmoothie4007]

whats almost more infuriating is that taika can actually do some heartfelt scenes when it needs that kind of energy, specifically the elevator scene and odins death from ragnarok. feels like he looked at this movie, saw it needed to be actually serious and decided he'd fully commit to the lame "every 4 seconds a bad joke" formula

[@Ricardo-cl3vs]

I cannot stand that buffoon.

[@MaxWelton]

@@turtlesmoothie4007 I’d forgotten about the elevator scene! That’s right!

[@pwalker1428]

He can film a serious serious jokeless scene. Jojo Rabbit definitely does better at segregating certain serious scenes from jokes. He definitely missed that mark in Love and Thunder though.

[@elliswebster7041]

I enjoyed the movie but it would’ve been nice to enjoy it even more with the stuff you said, completely agree

[@EskimoKillaz]

It felt like it was originally two movies then condensed into one. So much backstory for the Thor and Jane relationship, Thor dealing with loss and being with the Guardians, Gorr was great but honestly we needed more of him or more of them trying to find him to establish how much of a threat he was. It felt like a ton crammed into one movie that had originally been two.

[@michaelmerrell8540]

Jane should have had a movie to herself while Thor was off with the GOTG. It would have made the two-Thors pay off much better in a second film with the Gorr storyline.

[@coreym8145]

It feels so much smaller than Ragnarok. But it should not considering the stakes.. but you didnt feel it. They should have focued more on the Jane story or Gorrs story. I dont think they had time for both. i loved the ending of the movie to be fair but i think overall, taika has made Thor as a character the best hes been on the big screen. but there gets to a point where you cant lean into the comedy so much. taika needs to make us feel the stakes. thats what he missing in these movies. Thor loses everything, but all that build up feels lost when its all made a joke out of.

[@TheDamnWinner]

Despite loving Ragnarok, that was a huge problem there. He loses his father, his home, and learns of a sister in that and you literay feel 0 of it DURING that movie. Endgame/infinity war gave thor his actual emotional ethos. Ragnarok is legit just joke to joke, bad fight scene, jokey end. I love it- but as like character development for thor (and i mean REAL development of character not things happening to him with no reaction) ragnarok is actually terrible. Other than the bro stuff with loki- but thats cause its easier for Taika and it can be funny. Taika seriously struggles woth real emotional ethos and it shows in Love and Thunder even more so.

[@apolloparks3686]

I really don’t get people saying you can’t lean into the comedy as much, this movie had like at a most 1/3 of the jokes of Ragnarök? This movie really did not have much comedic stuff in it, just weird comic booky things like Korg’s face being the only part of him that’s alive

[@SVINTFC]

Thor in infinity war was him at its best not ragnorak

[@phil4909]

@@apolloparks3686 this movie had just as much jokes as ragnarok, but lets be honest only 1/3 of them could be registered as "funny" by the audience in any light lol.

[@everburn]

@@SVINTFC agreed

[@RandalReid]

"Why is everyone so divided?" Yeah everyone should just chill and try to multiply instead

[@steverogers7601]

Oh fcuk!

[@glowstoneunknown]

Like Korg and his bf

[@Sue_Me_Too]

WE PREFER ADDITION!

[@steverogers7601]

@@glowstoneunknown there’s absolutely a bunch of people who hate this movie simply because of: Jane (a woman) being Thor Valkyrie (a woman) being called “King” Valkyrie being gay Korg being gay More diversity and inclusion

[@RythymBeast]

@@steverogers7601 no there really isn't and if there is it's an insignificant amount. This movie is trash. Stop being a mindless shill. I mean lol your name is Steve Rogers. Yikes.

[@IXIammerlock]

i think if done better, the “humor to hide the depression” wouldve hit harder if not completely dogpiled by jokes

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

I think another director (Robert Eggers or PETER JACKSON) wouldve completely changed the outcome of this - many saw this coming.

[@JuniorB1355]

I think it would’ve been interesting if when they found out they “wager” on how many lives have been sacrificed in the god’s names, Thor or Jane starts to second guess if they should stop Gorr from killing gods. That Thor has to find it in himself to still do the right thing at the end of the day cause he’s a hero even though the gods he’s saving, aren’t good people. That would’ve been interesting to see him struggle with.

[@nanashiryuu5630]

This requires actual Brain power, so I don't expect it from any marvel phase 4 product.

[@enishi4ty5]

nah this is the plot of the movie, waititi just ignored it.

[@Just_normal_youtube_channel]

But then Taika couldn’t focus on the funny haha jokes.

[@ANGELOFDARKification]

Yeah but you know...... Screaming goats and that 😂

[@MrYungReggie]

Thanos wasted 10 years looking for 6 infinity stones. All he had to do was find 1 Eternity and wish for half of the universe to stop existing

[@_Rick___Grimes_]

marvel cant help but introduce plot points that render their older movies full of plot holes

[@williamkrause5585]

All he had to do was know about that in the first place.

[@lonjezokalanda4063]

15:12 I know it was a throwaway joke but I can't forget the bit where Thor says they don't eat children anymore. That's the sort of thing that my brain latches onto when it does universe/world building outside of the movies

[@sprycmg]

That’s why they should not make everything a joke it messes with the world

[@Noplayster13]

Don’t think about the implications that has for the characters of Thor, Lady Sif, Odin, Thor’s mother, or any of the other Asguardians.. Just laugh brainlessly. Good stories and characters are overrated anyway. Thanks Taika.

[@gridlo]

Dark times. Shameful times.

[@Yareet101]

It was hilarious. Hemsworth’s delivery 👌

[@authorfarrell7161]

Jokes that derail the plot. Like Thor telling Sif she can't get into Valhalla if sje dies after the battle, but then Jane disproves that in the very same film.

[@futuredozer1735]

I personally wasn't a huge fan of the child soldiers getting the power of Thor. Mainly because these are like 5 year Olds that Thor is sending to battle with creatures that Asgard soldiers struggled to fight. Also, Thor being able to bestow his powers to whoever he wants would have been really useful in the battle against Thanos before he snapped or in Endgame.

[@jiabryant533]

Quick correction he was only able to do that due to Zesus lightning bolt.

[@linashawnee]

Absolutely.

[@christopherlee8989]

He was outnumbered and the children were at risk anyways. He didn't realize he had the ability to enchant others with his power until he realized that Mjolnir is protecting Jane because he told it to. He discovered that during the course of this film and I guarantee the next epic team up crossover film it will happen

[@christopherlee8989]

@@jiabryant533 no he could do it before he just didn't know he could until he saw Jane wielding Mjolnir and remembered when he enchanted it

[@jhinwick5251]

It's a nod to Thor Corps, everyone gets imbued with Thors abilities

[@OpinionParade]

*Fun Fact:* Out of the five worst critically rated MCU movies, THREE of them are from Phase 4.

[@joethevideoeditor489]

Seems like Marvel is in the same vibe as the ending of Finding Nemo, when the fish finally escape. They landed a wonderful arc of three phases brilliantly... "Now what?"

[@sirdrake1857]

@The Stonefish New Avengers, Young Avengers...

[@jonathancurran5366]

@The Stonefish Avengers Endset, Avengers Endmatch.

[@mattphoenix7816]

@The Stonefish Avengers show would be cool

[@xXprettyxkittyXx]

It’s like they don’t know where they’re going and it’s so frustrating. They also seem to think they have to release a new Marvel product 5+ times a year. I’m almost at the point where I’m begging them to go back to like two or three year at most. Because now we have multiple storylines going and we don’t know who fucked up the Multiverse because we’ve also had four different fucking answers about who’s messing shit up. It’s so confusing. Not to mention you have the Eternals who don’t really seem to fit into the universe at all because that Director was on a completely different page than any of the others were. At this point I’m just hoping that James Gunn comes in and saves us all. S/O to Moon Knight, WandaVision, and Loki for being solid and having more unique themes. (And MoM is my new marvel guilty pleasure…)

[@betterlatethannever4529]

How about we stop making Thor Stupid? Dude's over 1500 years old, he should be a bit more intelligent. Sure not on the levels of Banner or Stark. But he definitely should be one of the best fighters

[@danh.5998]

His character development has been undone. He’s even arguably dumber than in Thor 1. Then, he was immature and arrogant, but even still he seemed to have decent plans at least, even if they didn’t work. Even in Ragnarok, he initiated Ragnarok to stop Hela, which was very intelligent and forward-thinking of him. And now, he’s just an idiot.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@danh.5998 Thor by now should be given a batman like movie. As a 'god' he's pretty much failed spectacularly but they use comedy and hte whole 'fat depression' when you could make an actual movie like a spiderman where somebody is trying to regain their heroic stature after failing spectacularly and losing almost all they have. How do you do that? Well, there are different ways, none are even mentioned let alone addressed.

[@johntuel2375]

It worked for Homer Simpson

[@horace6851]

funny part is that in Norse mythology Thor is actually really really stupid. Even though he was an actual god not a 1500 years old alien. I know it's comic book Thor not mythology Thor but it nevertheless make sense to me :). The other part - why would a weekend on Earth actually change anything in the personality of a guy who is 1500 years old (I mean his arc in Thor 1)? It makes much morse sense that his "character improvements" are cyclical, he gets a bit better then reverses back to his old ways, he gets patriotic and agrees to rule Asgard, then goes back to playing around with some rogues after significant setback etc. etc. In that sense he is a perfect comic book character, he can repeat a redemption arc over and over and it still fits.

[@tbtrey1]

I found gorr telling Jane the gods will use you interesting because thor told Mjolnir to look out for Jane but it was right there when thor told her one more power up would kill her, yet it still called to her for that last one. It did not protect her you can say it used her

[@perceivedvelocity9914]

That's a valid point. I have a different point of view. Jane has terminal cancer. The chemotherapy will not cure her. It will only extend her suffering. Mjollnir is alive apparently. That makes Mjollnir an Asgardian. Asgardian's believe that the best death is a death in battle. The hammer was giving Jane the opportunity to have the best death that the Asgardian can have.

[@tbtrey1]

@@perceivedvelocity9914 now this is interesting. Not in a million years would I of thought of this but this is dope. I'm going to have to think about this one. Even sif wanting to die kind of hammers *pun not intended* your point home.

[@lochofmceo]

I wouldn’t say it used her.

[@tbtrey1]

@@lochofmceo what do you call it?

[@lochofmceo]

@@tbtrey1 It also made her strong and gave her power and healed her while using it.

[@Gdank72]

Team A : Laughed all the way. Team B : A total mess of movie and development of its characters.

[@noahlat8478]

#TeamB

[@delmarfrazier2727]

Team A

[@Jackbutcool]

Gotta go with Team A

[@mathiaswalker350]

Team "InbetweenTeamAandTeamB"

[@Sue_Me_Too]

Team "I stopped caring about the MCU ages ago"

[@Redkurtain]

Masons review is SPOT ON. This movie felt like a parody of Thor (in the style of Meet the Spartans) except with all the actual actors and a massive budget.

[@li-limandragon9287]

I liked it, not as good as Thor Ragnarok but as a He-Man and the Masters of the Universe movie it was great. Lady Sif however was utterly wasted, Valkyrie was just kinda there, Korg was more annoying than funny, Jane’s cancer was more interesting than her being a Thor. Also could’ve used more Christian Bale butchering a bunch of gods I agree.

[@mikearchibald744]

LOL, thats a lot of complaints for a movie you liked!:) I'd put it up there with the 80's He Man though.

[@li-limandragon9287]

@@mikearchibald744 Five complaints is hardly a lot and more generous than most other reviews.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@li-limandragon9287 Five complaints about a movie you LIKED is hardly a lot? It seems like quite a few to me, and yes probably WAY more generous than most, except the ones with only one complaint - 'it sucked'.

[@diegodelapena7653]

Mjolnor may have sensed that the cancer was going to kill her no matter what, but turning Jane into a god granted her passage into Valhalla

[@Jamsterman25]

I do feel like this was a good movie on paper that maybe got hindered in production. I don't know about everyone else, but I breathed a sigh of relief when thor and jane had their scene on the boat and the tone got more serious. Just trying too hard to be funny for the first bit.

[@victory7763]

It got hindered by Bob Chapek. Kevin Feige doesn't have full control of the MCU anymore, Chapek has been interfering like crazy. Chapek literally MANDATED this movie to be 2 hours and not a minute longer

[@bobbobson9952]

The problem seems to be that they went all out to try and be a comedy, with the slight problem of it being really not that funny. It really seems like the mcu is eating itself rn. None of the shows are all that good and the movies have been arguably worse.

[@mowgli6345]

MCU fanboys will literally defend anything. The writing has been absolutely awful since the start of Phase 4, and arguably it started showing cracks in the lead up to End-Game.

[@PlatinumPaladin]

Last years offerings had issues but I still think are generally solid and can stand as some of the best. This year though has not impressed me at all. I think this year's Black Panther will yet again be a determining moment for the MCU.

[@tams805]

@@mowgli6345 Some will. I'm a MCU fan though and I'm not going defend stuff like The Eternals or Black Widow. And of course the first two Thor films. But I loved this.

[@pagatryx5451]

@@tams805 Then you just have bad taste. The first Thor movie was actually a good movie. The second Thor movie was bad, but the characters were true to themselves and developed in the right direction. It at least had character development and a story though. Love and Thunder is just bad jokes and wasted potential. It's honestly depressing.

[@DonJuanDecepticon]

I loved how much screen time they gave to Thor's super big insane bright red cape... but just the sholder part. It took up so much of the screen.

[@DonJuanDecepticon]

@Weyland Punani my man ,you said it all right there.

[@doubleplusdanny]

I liked whatever movie Christian Bale was acting in.

[@lukasky03]

The movie didn’t make me care about Gorr as a threat (apart from him kidnapping the children). He’s a killed a bunch of so-called gods, leaving their followers with free will and no longer dependent on worshipping false idols. Exactly why is that bad for the universe?

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

Because it was a sh*t show movie, even with the plot elements as the jokes took you completely out of it. next go around Taika needs to step down the comedy or just let Robert Eggers or Kenneth Branagh take over the franchise. This is ridiculous . too much zany b.s.

[@BlueCheeseLucci]

I think that's the point we saw the gods are mostly shit so why save them. Thor does cause he doesn't think they should just be killed cause he probably assumed most were like him. We even see Zeus plotting showing the gods are more of the villains the whole time

[@mikearchibald744]

I had that conversation awhile ago. What would happen if Gorr met Jesus or Buddha? That would be interesting. But Branagh did a good job, of course, and does seem to have a bit of respect for the genre AND a little of a sense of humour so yeah, maybe he's TOO real. I liked Ragnarok, but that was then, this is now.

[@HolyApplebutter]

My favorite part of this movie is when it took every single chance to flanderize and make fun of Thor for having feelings and trauma, with the end-of-movie payoff being a bandaid-daughter.

[@PeanutStrawberry]

I really hope Bao, the God of Dumplings, isn't a bad god 😰

[@jacktilley7299]

This was the only time I laughed in this film

[@supersublime77]

I think part of the issue with this new film is that the silliness overshadowed the other critical parts of Thor’s character that fans have come to love since Ragnarok. In Ragnarok there was jokes, fun, and improv. Chris Hemsworth really shined at the new “comedic” moments not seen in the first two Thor films and brought an enjoyable new life to the character. But on the other hand, Odin’s death had weight. Loki’s scenes had weight. Asgard’s destruction had weight. This seriousness carried over into Infinity War where Thor had nothing left and was at his lowest, on a warpath which resulted in failure when Thanos snapped. Then in Endgame he had to deal with that failure, and while elements of his character remained comedic, the “fractures” from Ragnarok and Infinity War basically had now broken him in a serious way that made fan’s hearts sink. He had to come back from that. He had to crawl himself from that pit. Thor Love and Thunder focused almost entirely on silliness, and left behind the “weighted” part of Thor’s arc from Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame. The “BRING ME THANOS!” part of him was left behind almost entirely in favor of the “gag / comedy” part of Thor. I expected more serious and emotional tones when he spoke with Jane about how he’s afraid to love again. I expected more serious tones when he had to tell the Asgardian children not to fear. There could have been jokes here and there - but throughout the film it’s gag after gag after gag - and we only get to see the “funny / meme” part of Thor, which is why fans might be upset. I wanted to see this film give Thor the love and hope he has been missing in a weighted and emotional way as he deserves. Instead I saw every moment of plot seem to be punctuated by a punchline which really made me feel like the Thor from Infinity War is being disrespected.

[@mssonoma1]

Yep! You hit the nail on the head. Everything had to be funny and it completely took away from the serious moments

[@TerryLightfoot]

👏

[@adrianna5378]

Agreed. They built up his character so much and then they make him a joke. Gorr was a cool villain too. His motivations were clear and understandable. They movie could have really been great and more emotional. I think Taika was a bad choice to direct this movie.

[@mediumvillain]

The idea that comedic elements with Thor were new to Ragnarok and werent major parts of the previous two films, which ppl seem to take as a given, is not true at all. Taika Waititi leaned into silliness more often but it really was not the total revamp of the character/series ppl act like it was.

[@experimentsininsanity4478]

I disagree. Personally I thought the serious elements were handled much better than in Ragnarok. Compare the scene with Thor and Jane in the hospital in L&T with the Asgard's destruction in Ragnarok.

[@Zoze13]

Taika went full Taika and turns out I don’t love Taika. Also hurts the movie a little bit not to have the X factor that is Loki. In Ragnorok he adds an element of mystery and intrigue. Without him in LNF it’s just four good guys on the way to stop the bad. Not horrible but less intriguing.

[@noahlat8478]

the crew of Ragnorok was much more fun in that movie than here. Loki and Hulk made it more funny. Now we just have Korg making unfunny jokes 24/7, and it makes it worse knowing Taika voices him.

[@TibCib3]

He is great

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

Nah i dont think this film needed loki.

[@bdonovable]

I think Loki might have been what was missing. I didn't think the movie needed him, but maybe he is more important to ground Thor. Ragnarok had Loki, Valkryie, and Banner to ground Thor, Hulk, Korg, and GrandMaster--- the balance of comedy and "straight men" was a bit off in this one.

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

@@bdonovable there was no straight men in ragnarok and those characters didnt ground hor they were just characters he had fun banter with.

[@CrudzMcKenzie]

The only thing I was disappointed by with Gor was there was no moment where Gor challenges Thor's world view. That was a big deal in the comics, and leads to "Unworthy Thor" later on. That aside I thought the movie was fun, and Christian Bale delivered a powerful performance of a complex character.

[@vicvinegar7913]

Not sure if it was intentional or by accient but when Jane says it's been 3 years, and thor says it's been 8 years - If Jane was snapped away it would only have been 3 years for her, so they were actually both right. Nice detail

[@BlueCheeseLucci]

I think that was Jane just playing off like she doesn't remember when they broke up. I've done that when getting back with an ex lol

[@DespairMisery]

@@BlueCheeseLucci actually she was snapped away

[@pagatryx5451]

How is that a nice detail. It has literally been done in every single MCU movie since Endgame. It's a meaningless detail. A negative, even, considering the after effects of the snap on people is seemingly non-existent.

[@vicvinegar7913]

@@pagatryx5451 i just think they're neat!

[@telltellyn]

On James' point that the film never shows that gods are good, on the first planet with the GOTG they mention everything went to shit when their god died, and then on their ship when they're seeing all the distress calls they talk about how the galaxy is in chaos cos of the god slaughter. But they could have done a better job establishing that

[@coreyburns4168]

I think Thor was supposed to be one of the good ones and tried to show Gorr that not all gods are assholes.

[@lewisgibson3322]

The major problem for me is it just wasn’t that funny. I liked the sound of this being so “ridiculous” but it just didn’t make me laugh that much.

[@proudofyoudick]

same here, ragnarok is actually one of the funnier movies if not the funniest movie in the mcu, but this one fell flat constantly

[@Anarchyontheweb]

@@proudofyoudick No chance, Love and Thunder is way funnier

[@proudofyoudick]

@@Anarchyontheweb not really, ragnarok had the advantage of loki, hulk, and jeff goldblum, the funniest joke in love and thunder is the dumpling god

[@whodatboi2567]

I agree that this film could have been longer for the purposes of further character development.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

That wouldve meant more stupid ass jokes that took us completely out of the story - they'd be better off making the adventures with the Guardians for half the movie. The jokes completely took you out of this film - ENOUGH!!!

[@ADoc1980]

I liked the movie, but I will definitely agree with the point that we should have seen Gorr tearing through some gods.

[@crabcakes9692]

I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it was explained that stormbreaker had to be put on the boat because it lost focus due to the jealousy thing with mjolnir and the boat helped it focus its power.

[@danh.5998]

That sounds like the dumbest thing ever

[@misterdarwin]

I think it depends on whether the humor lands for you and whether you care about things like character development and consistency.

[@datmarshy]

Did nick just say that the antagonist having a good reason is a plot hole? And not compelling narrative? Antagonist doesn’t mean you’re evil. It means your motivations clash with the protagonists’. ‘Evil’ has nothing to do with it lol

[@roberttuttle3029]

True, but in a superhero movie you kind of want to be rooting for the hero - and if you're not, that needs to be examined properly and be a core theme

[@datmarshy]

Yes. You have a point. But let me add to it… You’re right that you want to root for the protagonist. But you don’t necessarily need to root against the villain. And Christian Pale(ha, cuz of his skin) definitely wasn’t doing “good” work. And Thor&company defiantly weren’t “dousches” or bad. But even if you say that Gorr was right, and that Thor& company are unlikable… do people not like compelling movies like Nightcrawler? That guy SUCKS. But it’s still a good movie. To me it’s not abo it boring old : good vs evil. People have nuances and motivations. Every villain is the hero in his own story. But I digress : Gorr was still an antagonist. One who kidnapped children. One who leveled a town and killed a bunch of Ohioans&Azgaurdians. The dude clearly went over the line. He’s the bad guy who hates a corrupt government official, so he goes in and holds the entire building at gun point or with a bomb. The best drama/tension is when both people have a point. But you are correct : you do want to root for the hero. And Thor and Jane were selfless. And trying to save kids. Hell, the antagonists goal would have killed thor, Jane, a bunch of other presumed innocents. We have Konchu, the Blck panther god, Thor. Jane, Odin, etc etc. there ARE good gods out there. Despite Me. Bale’s crappy dealt hand. But on the flip side, we can assume that along with the innocent gods, come some jerk gods too. However, that doesn’t mean you just get to kill them all. That’s Thanos level thinking. Not to mention that all the dirtbag gods that we saw on screen actually did get their come up’ings; The Sun god got stabbed to death. And Zeus got pierced through his heart with his own damn lightning bolt (however, he came back like a cockroach). Let me know what you think. I find this a fascinating subject.

[@datmarshy]

I’ll never admit this, but I too, am a ‘cat’ man.

[@hothotheat3000]

I genuinely spent the entire movie annoyed that I wasn’t watching Top Gun Maverick instead. The characters aren’t taking ANYTHING seriously. One second, kids are being kidnapped and the next, people are quipping. If they don’t care, neither do I. Christian Bale was underutilized. Valkyrie should’ve been killed because she genuinely doesn’t do anything. I think maybe I’m too old for the MCU now, and that makes me really sad. I’m not enjoying it anymore.

[@spiritofvengeance5118]

THANK YOU, the tone shoudlve been more serious I was pissed off about how they introduced gor and they say he's killing gods, then Thor is just like 😂

[@publicoutlaw1731]

I definitely still enjoy the mcu they just need to make more serious movies. Those movies usually do better.

[@CallMeFi]

I really feel that last line, maybe we're just all a bit too old now. These movies are not made for an aging audience, they're still mostly for kids (with some minor exceptions here and there that honestly I think kids can still very much watch and enjoy). Maybe we've outgrown the MCU and that sucks after over 10 years of enjoying it

[@KosiOW]

@@CallMeFi I understand what you guys mean, but how are we simply too old for it, if we can go back to the older MCU films and enjoy them just as much as the first time we saw them? At least that's how I feel.

[@CallMeFi]

@@KosiOW I enjoy a lot of things I enjoyed as a child too, but I recognise that there's nostalgia involved. I have no way of knowing if I would love the older MCU movies just as much now if I watched them for the very first time

[@Boonehams]

35:25 - "If we're going to recruit an army of gods to help us, we will need a larger mode of transportation than just Stormbreaker. Some of these gods wouldn't even be able to fit their whole bodies in its beam. But I have an idea..." [cut to big boat with Stormbreaker mounted on the front] There. I would've been fine with that explanation. I can't remember the last time I've seen a film hand wave so much before.

[@Mikeyc2k6]

The lines were delivered like it was an SNL sketch. You could literally see it in their face and hear it in their voice when they were about to crack a joke. Also, why has Taika Waititi given himself so much screentime for the sake of nonstop quips that have nothing to do with anything? Just felt like nothing that happened actually needed to happen. It was a nothing movie. Filled to the brim with a bunch of nothing. Christian Bale was dope though.

[@NotSoSvenn]

"you're not like the other gods I've killed" I dont remember this in the movie but it was in the trailer. Would have been a great line would it not?

[@spoons250]

It was intended for Jane, not Thor, when Gorr discovers shes not quite God. And the "you have something to fight for" was also not directly after it but later in the movie when hes telling them they are weak because they still have something to lose and he doesn't. It was in the screeners.

[@hellofriend8621]

The one thing I feel they did really well is to outline sort of the insignificance of the Marvel "Gods" and that they're more just people with personalities and quirks that were given these great gifts/powers. They did well showing the scope of things and dumbing down the audience's expectations of them for future films.

[@ianashmore9910]

That doesn't sound like a good idea for a company who sells the fantasy of said gods.

[@hellofriend8621]

@@ianashmore9910 I understand that but In reality that’s how they were in the comics. I don’t disagree with you, sure that’d make them money, but isn’t that not what we care about? Anyways still sort of a bummer of a film ragnarok set a pretty decent standard they missed on a lot of things.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

I'm glad it happens. Let them learn the lessons of this (humility), then prepare a better film - this slot is usually the Avengers, Capt America or Spider-Man slot (July) - Thor wasnt able to hit the near billion necessary to make it a hit because Taika Waititi forced his own humor into it, and it took people completely out of it. - look forward to a new vision for phase 5.

[@maul42]

Thor: We have to stop Gorr from killing the gods because that is a bad thing to do! Also Thor: Whoops, just accidentally murdered Zeus, lol.* *Yes, he's alive in the post credits, but Thor still thinks he killed him, and they definitely murdered a ton of his subordinates.

[@RoguSpanish]

Gorr was literally going to wipe all gods out of existence AND he kidnapped every child in Asgard, and Zeus was gonna prevent Thor from stopping him. Killing one guy to save a million more is a pretty easy moral dilemma.

[@themutupoguy]

Spoilers*** I really liked the movie but I agree that the morality of what Gorr was doing should've been explored more between he and Thor. Gorr was kinda right and his justification was compelling. I think a better version of this movie would've had Thorr grapple with the other side of the moral question Gorr was asking. But instead it was just kinda... "You don't wanna kill, you want Love". He was right of course, but Thor's moral standing was never questioned at all, even when he killed Zeus. The best we got was one of those "I'm nothing like you" lines. I would've preferred less jokes and less Korg in favour of an exploration of Gorr's ideology. Lol, and this is coming from someone who liked the movie😄

[@JarvisPen]

I believe this was done in the comics. Where Thor lost the power to wield Mjonir because Nick Fury (OG Nick Fury) in an attempt to depower him tells him, "Gorr was right". Like almost everything else, it was done better in the comics.

[@Drawngalaxy]

Well to be fair on Thor’s part, all of the god butchering that gorr did caused massive problems for people across the galaxy, as seen in the opening with the guardians where they were being overwhelmed with distress signals about their gods dying and the problems that came with it( like the opening fight scene where those biker aliens attacked because the people were without a god and defenseless) so even if some gods that we saw were dicks many still held importance in some way or another to their people, either as sources of faith or as protection/divinity. Thor could have used a bit more of a black panther scene were he tries to make the gods question themselves though

[@FelixM86]

on the topic of jane dieing because of mjolnir. I took that wholy different. the hammer didn't KILL her, she was dieing of cancer. the hammer gave her (superficial) health and energy that made her overcome the sideeffects of the lethargy and weakness, but it didn't cure her of the cancer. at least thats how I read the situation

[@ktk1144]

may i refer to comics? hammer also heal the poison/whatever drug being used in chemo hence it was In A Way killing her

[@deadartist8827]

*Dying

[@andrewshandle]

@@ktk1144 Yeah, but in the movie she was already at Stage 4 when she finds out she's dying and they kind of imply that the chemo wouldn't save her...so it also takes away the gravity of her decision. Either die or be Thor and delay her death for a while.

[@liaa.a01]

Sif’s had better characterization in 2 Agents of Shield episodes than 3 Thor movies… kinda sad.

[@unclenought6385]

I have to say, there definitely were some pacing and tone issues which may have a multitude of production issues behind them. I especially noticed it when I went to the bathroom at the scene where they first face Atheist Bale in the colourless planet. I was gone for maybe 5 to 10 minutes and expected to come back mid battle to see the outcome. Came back, had no idea what was happening. They had managed to fit losing the battle, losing stormbreaker, and Jane revealing that her powers are killing her and only having one power up left, into what didn’t seem to be enough time to adequately cover nearly any of it to emotionally impact the audience. Overall though I did like the silliness of the film, but I don’t think that the serious parts were delivered in a way that cut through the silliness effectively like we’ve seen Taika do before in say Jo Jo Rabbit, where I was alternating between chuckling and sobbing hysterically. But I am leaving room for filming restrictions and reshoots because of Taika’s discography.

[@chewangia8]

The MCU is suffering from a joint universe right now. I remember in phase one heroes still had self containing films about them and their universe issues. Now everything is a hero and friends film which is really hurting these films. Let the main characters breakaway from all this joint universe crap and live and breathe on their own.

[@noctisluciscaelum211]

Yeah that's what's happened with phase 4. The only film from phase 4 that actually felt like that was no way home. Cause it was solely focusing on Peter trying to balance 2 lives. While also trying to be a great hero and still be Peter Parker. It didn't focus on a hole scene of new worrying about college or MJ having her own thing. It was them as Peters support while the other spidermen helped guide Peter to stay on the right path.

[@mikearchibald744]

Phase one actually felt like it was happening for real and happening now. Thor and Guardians kind of killed that. Now with all the planets out there that seem to be so much better than Earth, we halfway expect lobbies from Earth saying "hey, that Kree homeworld kind of looks better than here". Humans now are completely incidental to everything, so its kind of hard to care. If you think about it, in The Dark Knight, the 'heroes' of the film were the collections of people on two boats who refused to blow one another up, despite haveing good reason to. This provides the WHOLE motivation for Batman, which makes him a more interesting character than he otherwise would be. Now they are more or less kids movies, in this case almost literally. We are supposed to ONLY be interested in the life and times of heroes, not any of the people they are supposedly helping.

[@_Rick___Grimes_]

they're simultaneously to connected, and yet not connected enough when it matters

[@_Rick___Grimes_]

@@mikearchibald744thats a really good point. i think the mcu has lost a significant aspect of alot superhero media, which is showing how the heros actions effect the common man

[@mikearchibald744]

@@_Rick___Grimes_ And i used to complain when they used to have superhero cartoons or shows where they 'stuck in' some kid or adult seemingly as a plot device, but now you kind of get the feeling that most of these heroes don't even LIKE people. I read an interesting fan fiction one time where the Joker was actually the good guy, because he was delivering drugs to addicts, while batman was the bad guy trying to stop him. Superheroes have always kind of been protectors of the status quo rather than 'people' but now thats getting more glaring.

[@thescottishaccent]

"Decent, but not as good as Ragnarok..." should be the movie poster tagline for this one. It's entertaining enough, and hits enough beats to be worthy (a-hahah) of your time for a trip to the cinema, but it never quite seems to click like the previous film did. I think part of that is the sense it's trying WAY too hard to be "Waititi funny ha ha jokes!" for most of the first half (and a spattering thereafter) and it just doesn't feel as organic, or land as well, as the previous outing. The cast are all great. Portman's clearly having a lot of fun being Mighty Thor, but Bale's the absolute highlight despite his wonderfully creepy Gorr being massively underused (he barely feels like he's in it at all at times). But it's a fun enough film; just feels a bit fractured and if it'd been a bit more tightly edited and not mugging at the audience so much, it would have been better. (I did love the little Le Voyage dans la Lune homage, though. That was clever.)

[@jeremycraft2445]

More like "Horrible, even more so than Ragnarok!"

[@woody_you_want]

I think this is the most reasonable review. I genuinely enjoyed it, but its just above average in terms of the MCU, nothing special. People love to tear things down and it seems like Marvel is the next target.

[@flippy3930]

This is the best and most reasonable review of the movie I've seen.

[@jeremycraft2445]

@@woody_you_want I'm not 'tearing down Marvel', I still enjoy much of what they're doing. But Thor was my favorite hero growing up, Thor 1 is my favorite movie (It's freaking Shakespeare!), but Ragnarok, and even more so, Thor 4, have made the character into a complete joke. Waititi can't do anything but goofy slapstick, and the character, and movie goers, deserve better.

[@justAncorisfine]

I haven't seeing it yet, but I'll be keeping my eye out for the homage. Thanks for pointing out.

[@santiagoroldan2293]

I think the sentience of the weapons is more a subconscious manifestation of the caracters. Like, how Thor can conjure Stormbraker at will, he subconsciusly makes this decisions for it, like "oh he must be jealous of Mjolnir" so the axe acts jealous because he thinks of it being jealous.

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

"jealous of mjolnir" and the whole comedy act was tiresome - glad the film dropped 70% in the 2nd week - this is not an MCU film - it is a taika Wait film and he got just the response he deserved from that dumb ass "ill destroy your mythos in a minute baby. So glad he isnt gettin Star Wars - good riddance. MCU should move on to better directors which will equal a better outcome. The weapon aspects are irrelevant.

[@mikearchibald744]

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 Chill out dude, its a superhero comic. It was an awful movie, but the director is NOT given millions of dollars and told to go do what they want, thats a convenient myth to make you thik Hollywood has at least SOME artistic aspect. But stuff like that at least is interesting to talk about as opposed to the plot. But that was in Ragnorok, Odin says its only meant to channel his power. But then you can ask, why does he need a channel? The lightning he can do himself now, so really, as a 'god' a gun is a hell of a lot 'nicer' way of killding somebody that hitting them with a hammer or an axe. Those are pretty bloody nasty ways of dying. Kind of like Captain america killing people with his shield.

[@barthollowmew1252]

When everything becomes a joke and you are constantly having different characters be the same hero, like with the Power Rangers, people lose interest bc nothing means anything anymore. If anybody can be that hero, then they aren't special in any way. Why do I care if Galactus attacks now? I didn't care when Jane died. I even used to like her.

[@frownline1]

Marvel still introducing interesting villains and then doing their entire arc in one movie and atomising them, need to give these characters more time to (literally) breathe

[@ephraimharris3303]

The Eternity area is NOT filmed on the Volume. It was filmed in the parking lot behind a Best Buy.

[@JDLaney-zk4wb]

I feel like Top Gun 2 kinda turned the volume down on all these lesser summer blockbuster movies. People had gotten so used to these formulaic Marvel movies and other mediocre big budget movies, and suddenly here’s this huge movie that critics AND audiences love that has real stunts, a story with stakes and tension, and a ton of heart. I hope it makes other studios try harder.

[@ViggoMor10sen]

I think that, The Batman, and Everything Everywhere All At Once really did a one two punch on every Marvel thing so far this year.

[@sprycmg]

The Batman too

[@rifway22]

Dude top gun maverick is even better than the original. Holy shit it's amazing.

[@corey2017]

You got to see Top Gun 2 in 4DX

[@TheNewWorldGaming]

It just feels like there is a good extra 20-30 minutes of footage they gutted from the movie to flesh stuff out more. We needed to see more Gorr butchering gods, seeing more scenes of Jane pre Mighty Thor, and maybe some more of Thor with the guardians or just something. Each day that has passed since i watched this movie i like it less and less

[@MisterKetch]

I could have done without the guardians at all. Feels like with all the behind the scenes trouble with Gunn marvel wanted to make sure we all remembered the guardians existed. Vol 3 was originally planned to release at start of phase 4

[@mikearchibald744]

@@slayer100141 Always blame network executives. Their 'work' is all over this. Any director constantly gets "hey, you know what would be cool in here..." The director of course only does so much, its the writing that matters, and I think superhero movies are getting SO broad that good writers are fleeing for more realistic projects. There aren't that many comic book writers compared to serious writers sadly. This seemed to just want to stuff as many characters into it as possible. It almost seemed like "well, most kids have ADHD now so lets just barrage them with colours and craziness".

[@Wico90YT]

TLAT def could have used just 10 more minutes. A 3 minute montage of Gorr killing more Gods (deleted scenes), 1 min of Jane getting powers (BTS show they shot it) 2 more mins exploring the other gods, and 4 minutes fleshing out and reworking the ending (I didn't like the kids part). Phase 4 will be looked at like the Gas Leak Year in Community. The majority of it is good, but its suffered from COVID setbacks and related issues.

[@8pagesofalex433]

The gas leak phase is the best way to describe this phase

[@CulturedDegenerate]

+1 To everything you said. So many movies would benefit from cut scenes being left in instead

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

Nothing was saving this piece of sh*t. Check out Hemsworth in Spiderhead. This is awful. Hopefully Guardians can sort of reclaim the legacy of Marvel , but I doubt it.

[@alfje5492]

The Gas Leak season was Community's fourth season, coincidence?

[@ryanbell6672]

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 naw... you are not correct

[@StanleySThomas]

For me Love and Thunder felt more like an SNL skit of a Thor movie for most of it but the jokes don’t land well and runnings gags outstay their welcome. It’s almost cringe. Too many jokes and not enough time to sit in serious dramatic moments that wouldve meant more if it had more room to breathe. Plot and story felt very rushed and we got to things with characters that don’t feel earned in the midst of a million jokes a minute. The emotional beats dont make you feel the way it should. Christian Bale deserved better for sure. He was amazing as Gorr and needed more screentime to show more of his story, character and him actually butchering Gods but it kind of felt out of place in this more comedic movie. Its like if Heath Ledger as Joker in terms of performance and story was thrown into a SNL sketch. Gorr shouldn’t have been the villain for this tone of a movie which sucks to say because Christian Bale was amazing. There were no stakes really. Watched Ragnarok right before Love and Thunder and Ragnarok had a way better balance between jokes, drama, tone, dialogue, story, and character development. And the jokes in Ragnarok landed way better than in Love and Thunder. The theatre i went to only had a big laugh the first time the goats came in and screamed but that was really it. I really didnt like Thors character or his arc much in Love and Thunder. Thor has gone through the most tragedy and loss, yet his character in Love and Thunder is like when he went to SNL to do skits of Thor. He is a caricature, not someone who is humanized or one that you can empathize with. Thors best trilogy and story arc is between Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame.

[@frey8725]

I've been saying this exact same thing. An SNL Thor parody. I love parodies. I love SNL and if SNL had thor fly on his axe like a witch's broom, I;d laugh my ass off, but I paid almost $40 for my son and me to see this movie. SNL is free.

[@Mike90317]

Yes, I felt weird by not feeling anything when Jane died, besides she looked almost flawless but seconds ago had a bloody and damaged face, like what?

[@mahfuzurchowdhury2765]

Personally, I liked this film a lot, but I do think it could have had some more heartfelt moments. Imagine him getting super real while giving a monologue to those kids before that final fight.

[@1971mav]

I thought about walking out in the middle of the movie. It was just non stop silliness. They made Thor a joke.

[@coreyburns4168]

I'm sorry 😞

[@___moss]

the fact that he lost hes eye in the last one and they just rewinded it like nothing happened says so much about the mcu and this movie

[@MeatisMagic256]

He could easily find another false eye.

[@___moss]

@@MeatisMagic256 which makes my point that there are zero stakes and nothing progresses

[@JD-jz5gu]

@@___moss this has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

[@kdubbss0583]

@@___moss he got a new eye in Infinity War. All that was explained.

[@jacobmcmillan6787]

He got a new eye in Infinity War

[@pash91]

Lol Thor asks the Hammer to protect Jane...then it (if you think about it) does the opposite XD

[@sylphlens4511]

I have 2 main complaints about the new thor movie. The first being that it felt rushed. Would have seen more scenes with Gorr fighting other gods or even showing that not all Gods are as sadistic as the one at the beginning and as Zeus was, that way it would show that Gorr was correct but killing EVERY god isn't right. Just most. 2, the necrosword was kinda just a sword. Was there anything actually unique about it? I get they probably had to change it because of Sony and Spiderman rights but still a lil disappointed about that.

[@elrumcajs666]

2 - well he used the sword to call upon/create the shadow monsters AND the pointy end could actually kill seemingly any god.. What else do you need?

[@paulfrancis577]

Necrosword allowed Gorr to travel the universe, kill gods, slip into shadow, and create shadow monsters. Pretty much everything Gorr had in the comics before the Knull retcon.

[@mageboychan]

I'm commenting a little early into the video (about 8 minutes) but I just wanna say that I think this is the first marvel movie where people could tell me it's amazing or straight up awful and I'd be able to agree with both haha. I think the god butcher story line should've been used in a different movie, but every scene Bale is in is fantastic. I've been looking at this movie through the lense of it being a rom-com and it makes it so much better. It's cheesy, and a LOT of the jokes don't land, but it's cute and it's fun and the pace is lightning fast 😏 so it doesn't feel like a chore to get through. I still think MoM is worse than this, but it's interesting that both of the most divisive marvel movies came out back to back.

[@mikearchibald744]

I've kind of only heard MOST people thinking BOTH movies stank. Usually marvel and action movies can keep up good word of mouth at least for a few weeks. This isn't Dostoevsky after all. If you take any ONE of the main plots for this movie you kind of think 'how can this fail'. But now we don't need to ask.

[@mattchew8mealey921]

I think the issue Mason is trying to get at is that no one in the movie reacts to the idea that maybe Gorr is actually right. We see all these horrible Gods in the movie and none of the characters react in any meaningful way. This movie really needed a scene where either Thor or Jane questioned this dilemma and whether or not they needed to stop Gorr. Because based on what we see, the only reason the heroes have a cause to go after him is because he kidnapped the kids. If that plot element is remote from the movie what actual motivation do our heroes have to go on this journey?

[@steverogers7601]

“They had jokes but some didn’t go anywhere” That’s the part of the comedy in this that was a problem for me. Some of the jokes were indeed funny. They weren’t “gut busting/comedy redefining”jokes but they weren’t bad. Some of the jokes were genuinely not funny, they just fell flat and didn’t go anywhere, but it didn’t take away from enjoying the movie and having fun with it. The movie had its problems but the movie was just ok.

[@jaym8988]

Exactly.

[@seanbirch9663]

That hand grenade looking speaker sure was a laugh riot.

[@JD-jz5gu]

@@seanbirch9663 but that part where Jane and Valkyrie bop their head to the music was the most cringey thing I’ve ever seen😬😬😬

[@steverogers7601]

@@JD-jz5gu you must live a sheltered life if that’s the most cringe thing you’ve ever seen.

[@JD-jz5gu]

@@steverogers7601 meh, not really but okay. I mean, in terms of what I’ve seen in a theater it’s by far the most cringey, but if we are talking about in a tv show or movie, I’d go with the full fingering scene in the boys or The Deep eating a live octopus in a the Boys. Cringe asf

[@coryleaver31]

As someone who had this running on their TV while they worked, I appreciated the Thor swaps throughout the video

[@andrewshandle]

I do think it's funny that the scene in at he end where James says "I could tell it was shot in Volume" was actually filmed in a Best Buy parking lot according to Natalie Portman, so they didn't use Volume for it. ;)

[@TerranIV]

I am on Maso's side. This was not a very good movie, yet somehow it was better than Dr. Strange 2. I think the MCU phase 4 is really suffering from not having any momentum towards anything. The first phase was building The Avengers, the second phase was breaking the team apart, and the third phase was leading up to Infinity War. What the crap are they doing now? Even if we think they are doing Secret Wars, nobody in the movies are doing any Secret War stuff! They need to stop being coy and just come out and say what they are building towards so these movies have some direction!

[@SuperOmnicronsj44]

"from not having any momentum towards anything." They didnt have a plan following phase 3 and just inserted a whole lot of progressive ideological characterization, neutered the main characters and was lost in the multiverse. With no build up to an Avengers event , expect more flops, esp. the Marvels.

[@elliswebster7041]

@@SuperOmnicronsj44 I never value anyones opinion when they throw in words and phrases like “progressive” bcs it’s always so biased

[@pagatryx5451]

@@elliswebster7041 I don't value opinions. I judge their argument for what it actually is because I'm not such a dumbass that I can't do that. Did they have a plan after phase 3? No. That's obvious. Did they neuter the main characters? Yes. Thor, Loki, Wandavision, and Doctor Strange have all done that. Has it been lost in the multiverse? 100%. It's a mess where the writers are obviously not communicating each other and are shifting the rules of the multiverse each and every time. Is there any build up to a larger event? No. They setup the next shows/movies that are coming out, but the 'setup', is just a weak advertisement. There's nothing being built up. Somehow, him saying the word "progressive" isn't enough to make everything he said false. Couldn't care less if he was the CEO of DC. You don't need to identify 'bias' if you're intelligent enough to judge his statements for what they are.

[@elliswebster7041]

@@pagatryx5451 how did they “neuter” the characters? I’m sure they have more of α plan from now to the end of this phase/ these phases than they did from the first iron man movie to the end of that phase. And how do you know they’re not setting up for anything? Thanos was only revealed at the end of the first avengers movie which we haven’t gotten in this phase yet. I’m going to wait and judge till after the fact not before…

[@elliswebster7041]

@@pagatryx5451 all your comments seem so angry, take α break and relax, they’re movies you’re not going to die if they’re bad 💀

[@axel132]

Did this movie miss loki? I think it did, because the brotherly relationship was the focus of the previous 3 movies

[@austingrist7467]

"Turn your brain off and you can enjoy it" Fffffffffuuuck no!! No! That just means this movie is mediocre entertainment. It's just fine. Well not worth the price of admission. More worth the price of watching it on your couch. I'll probably watch this eventually but it sounds ehhh

[@JohnBainbridge0]

For me, the quipping became an issue in Infinity War. Here's all the quippers from that one movie: Stark, Thor, Loki, Parker, Strange, Wong, Quill, Rocket, Mantis, Drax, Shuri... I don't even think that's all of them. I loved Infinity War, but 11 quippy characters is at least 7 too many for one movie.

[@xXprettyxkittyXx]

I do like that at least Strange they’ve made into more of a “sarcastic quipper” so at the very least he feels different than the others. (More on the side of “I don’t have time for this shit.”) Mantis and Drax are on the goofy side of things so it doesn’t bug me. But even having WONG or Shuri make quips was so wild.

[@marianomosquera1995]

31:22 I was thinking about how the hammer calls to her to save her but, paradojically, using it is what kills her. And I thought perhaps the hammer's way to save her was not to prevent her from dying but to make her die a specific way through which she'd get to Valhalla. I mean she was gonna die anyways, perhaps in two weeks from cancer, perhaps in two days from using the hammer. But only through one of those the hammer could actually do something for her, therefore serving the encantation's purpose. But then again this could've also been just by accident. I mean the encantation could've just been a load of shit that did nothing good for her and she accidentally got here by luck. After all I don't like the whole sentient weapons gimmicks in this movie.

[@gorrium5027]

in the comics using the hammer temporarily cures her of her cancer but it wipes all Chemo and drugs from her system, so it saved her but using it made it so that there was no chance of a sustainable way to cure her cancer

[@hothotheat3000]

That’s a good explanation that isn’t used in the movie at all.

[@TheJammerman]

In Norse lore Thors goats can be killed and roasted and eaten then the bones and skin etc can be left overnight and in the morning they’re alive again.

[@PearlBladeBeats]

Hahahah you guys are some of the only people with just random jokes in videos that make me burst out laughing. The fakeout intro joke just killed me hahaha

[@turtlesmoothie4007]

2 things i thought might be interesting to bring up which im pretty sure weren't mentioned in this review. Thor in this movie is technically more of a God Butcher than Gorr. Off screen sure gorr takes the cake but on screen.. gorr kills some random gold guy eating fruit and thor literally kills THE ZEUS. sure he comes back to life in the end but the characters dont know that, thor immediately makes a joke about how that might cause some issues and that's all that's said. Second thing, thor literally gave a bunch of 11 year olds his power. That not only makes thor seem super unimportant now because an 11 year old can just be him on command now, but now there is 0 tension in any big fight. Why doesnt he just give all the avengers his powers? Captain America gave Thanos a good run with his first time using the hammer, imagine all of the avengers throwing lightning on top of they're already strong powers. The fact he can just give 20 people his power in half a second with no noticeable issues breaks so much lmao

[@sunnytoppo7466]

He can only give asgardians the power of Thor

[@turtlesmoothie4007]

@@sunnytoppo7466 some of them weren’t asgardians tho. if that were the case then that would kinda make sense but they make a joke earlier in the movie about how some of them aren’t even asgardian

[@NicoleLee]

I liked the movie, but I do agree that Gorr and Jane didn't have the character development they deserved. They should've showed Gorr develop his vengeance and go on his killing spree etc and they should've showed Jane grapple with her cancer more (the transition to Mighty Thor was TOO QUICK). Movie just seemed RUSHED. Otherwise I thought the silliness etc were fine and I thought it was funny enough. Probably a B-ish grade for me.

[@GirlOfFlight]

For me, this movie completely missed the mark. Far too many jokes going on way too long and the actual storyline was rushed because of this - there was no balance. Thor and almost every other character became a joke, they had no depth and just seemed dumbed down. It had so much potential but they didn't know what direction to go in. I feel they just fired a bunch of arrows hoping one would hit a bullseye...it was a mess.

[@hopefulspectator6573]

I loved it

[@EscapeArt15]

No one’s divided. They’re pretty secure in the “This movie sucks” camp.

[@dariendarkhouse8538]

Gorr should have killed those child gods (ALL gods must die is his personal mission). All members of the God races are gods, even if they have no domain. Comic Gorr tortured a Torture God until it revealed where its child was hiding. So Gorr could butcher the child God. Also, Gorr is called the God Butcher because he butchers them, not just a simple kill. Centuries of war experience having Thor made that distinction.

[@big_burly_bro]

I thought it was good not great. That being said, I still enjoyed it. It delivered as a comedy but not so much as comic movie. I saw Multiverse of Madness in the theatre and was stoked for a Disney+ release. I've seen it twice since. I'm not itching to rewatch this at all. I thought they neutered Gorr in appearance and in screen time to be enough to connect to. All in all, a middle of the road MCU movie.

[@FullMetalLuffy]

Feels like it did need more Gor (Goore?) and maybe presenting his motivation with a bit more sleight - feel they revealed his motivations too early, if it opens and he's already on his anti god rampage, murdering ones we do like or are seen being likable that puts us on the defensive to then get blindsided by the callousness of the bigger gods we do meet in the film, and the one that put Gor on his path in the first place.

[@CrisisComics]

Might've been interesting if he caught up with Surtur after Ragnarok and slew him. He IS the god of the fire giants, after all, and it would be a good way to have Gorr one-up the guy that blew up all of Asgard.

[@michaelsinger4638]

He disappears for a big chunk of the film. And we never get to really SEE him slaughtering gods. I kept waiting for him to show up to that hiding place where Zeus and the rest of them were staying and just kill a bunch of them. Kind of like in Ragnarok where Hela wipes out most of Asgard’s army by herself. IDK why they did not do that? But Gorr does not DO much in this movie until the very end. Shame because Bale gave a really good performance.

[@FullMetalLuffy]

@@CrisisComics now that would have made for one hell (no pun intended i swear) of an opener!

[@FullMetalLuffy]

@@michaelsinger4638 Agreed, really enjoyed Bale as Gorr, but would have loved to enjoy way more of him in the film

[@bobsandwich3431]

It's gewre

[@adrianlujan4116]

There are elements I liked. It did make me chuckle a lot. But I got tired of the low stakes constant jibbs throughout the movie. I would have liked a little more emotional weight. Taika brings the laughs but not the emotional gravitas

[@VVEGA2940]

This corporate product genuienely treats the average filmgoer as if they're idiots.

[@guttsu]

Finally watched it and I'm almost the opposite of Maso, went in expecting to hate it and I just didn't. Like yeah many of the problems stated are valid (too much Korg especially, and the Stormbreaker/Mjolnir joke was repeated too many times), but it did a decent enough job. Everything with Gor was great, and the ending was slightly unexpected at least by Marvel standards.

[@brutusb8004]

let the itswokelosers cry man, just watch movies and form your own opinion.

[@dragonitti]

There was so much potential, story-wise, to make this a whole trilogy. On some level, Gorr was/is more powerful than Thanos. So much so, that it took 3 THORS, to defeat him. There was enough material to make it a duology, at the very least. There would've been enough time to establish all the elements that they were aiming for. Part 1 - Thor questioning his worthiness because of the new Thor/Mjolnir relationship + establishing Gorrs power level Part 2 - Love blooming, fear taking over [?Fear itself + cameos from other experiencing fear states] + Old/Young thor introduction + Mighty Thor spotlight Part 3 - Tie it all up + same ending + MORE emotional impact I really think Marvel sort of dropped the ball here, simply because the comic arc was simply MEGA.

[@Thee_Deputy]

I think the movie was pretty good all things considered. Yeah, there were definitely some jokes that fell flat, but that's most MCU movies(hell most movies period). I actually found the heart of the film to be quite endearing. The Jane and Thor stuff didn't ever feel like it was drowned out by comedy-- In fact, I think it perfectly highlighted the way humor can be used to try and distract or help you cope with something serious. The ending was moving, however I do think it would have been far more powerful had Gorr chose to heal Jane rather than bring back his daughter. But at the same time, going forward, making Thor a Dad is good too. Plus we'll most likely see Jane again, anyways. Far better than Multiverse of Madness imo.

[@ethanwatson6131]

eternity healing jane would’ve been just a bit too predictable. All the mentions of valhalla and Thor wanting to be able to “feel shitty” about lost love would’ve been for nothing too

[@hellofriend8621]

@@ethanwatson6131 If Jane survived this movie, that would've been the final straw for me.

[@Thee_Deputy]

@@hellofriend8621 I mean she’ll be back regardless. That post-credit scene is straight out of the comics and she leaves Valhalla.

[@Crazyoldman84]

It all felt very Disney very much made for kids. No darkness or seriousness. It honestly felt like a Nickelodeon show ☹️

[@arch1017]

Yeah, honestly, that's actually not a bad comparison. I could explain the elements I liked and didn't like, but I was struggling to explain the feeling I had throughout - it felt like I was watching something that I loved when I was younger, but watching it now, all of the flaws and cringe-worthy elements that I was oblivious to are suddenly very obvious.

[@jasonpapai73]

Nickelodeon shows people getting chemo treatment?

[@Crazyoldman84]

@@jasonpapai73 it hardly showed it in a serious way because the entire movie was joke after joke. That's the problem it was so full of cheesy jokes that I could take anything serious or connect with any of the characters. Everyone was goofy.

[@jasonpapai73]

@@Crazyoldman84 Gor was goofy? I missed all the Gor jokes? damn

[@p4ul.e970]

i fucking hated this movie. Wasted potential. When i heard Gorr was in it, i thought it was gonna be a mystery/horror/action, introducing the other gods, and tease about a possible introduction to Knull and the true origins of All Black, leading to the big leagues of primordial entities and eldritch beings

[@mistersydster]

This movie should be called Thor: lots of thunder but not much to love. Ha! Got 'em!

[@Mrspadaford]

I saw it in 4D (3D+shaky chairs and fog). Distracting and annoying movement didn’t help the viewing. I give it 3 out of 5 stars.