Who is the most AVERAGE driver in F1 history?

[@Lappali]

funny thing is, Ericsson won the Indy 500 in 2022 you can't escape the Indy 500

[@simonelimido1203]

I wanted to write it too but you beat me to it🤣

[@didiervanleeuwen]

How ironic that the most MID driver since 1994 is an Indianapolis 500 winner...

[@Einveldi]

What would Marcus Ericsson do? Well, he'd go and win the Indy 500 to un-mid himself, wouldn't he...

[@groggywater2006]

Thanks for the spoiler

[@janakumer]

I think he would have hit Grosjean

[@ForzaPolska06]

He is still fairly mid though Not really amazing over a season despite good machinery But that 500 win will be on his record forever

[@CrashperM]

We back spreadsheeting. Very nice.

[@CarterRowe]

Being able to say that the most average F1 is an Indy 500 winner is deeply funny.

[@Ryzard]

Don't worry, he's mid in Indycar too.

[@Robalexe]

That's the only thing of note Ericsson's done in IndyCar. 99% of the time he's mid

[@Slades_Garage]

F1 elitists will try to use this to discredit indycar more

[@Teito687]

Aside from that win. He’s been mid throughout all his seasons despite being in top teams.

[@nuckels188]

1 race, on an oval =/= indycar champ Good luck/timing has more of an effect on ovals sometimes too

[@joshkirkby8103]

So when grosjean’s engineer said I think Ericsson hit us, he was really just referring to any F1 driver. It all makes sense now

[@Redfish1337]

Jos Verstappen being somewhat in contention for most mid driver is hilarious in it's own right.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

He had by far the longest “mid” career, spanning 10 years, which is mad

[@MrBlueBurd0451]

@@Duval-In-The-Wall Which is still funny because Jos' mid-ness is pretty much the result of 'always overshadowed by a better teammate'. The one time Jos had the machinery needed to kick ass and take names his teammate was a relatively unknown German by the name of... *Michael Schumacher*. After that his career just always spiralled downward because every time he got a car it was either worse than his previous car, or his teammate was as good if not better than him.

[@ROL4NDpkmnguide]

Could we take a page from baseball stats and create a stat like WAR (wins above replacement) that values how a player is copared to a replacement level rider... Like a stat called VAM (value above markus) that compares every driver's career to erikson's and sees which drives had a career that was a net positive or net negative compared to the most average driver in the last 30 years?

[@ljoreilly1068]

but war measures against season averages you would have to find the average driver for each season, which would also prob be more representative than the measurements he was using

[@APasosien]

The face of microsft excel right here 😂

[@unknown-fz5mc]

15:20 oh i like that name jos verstappen looks like his son will have a great career 😂😂

[@Smugumi-mh7ri]

Definitely Jos's son sounds like he could be a multi World Champion

[@Leppter]

Supported by Nelson Piquet jr's sister

[@ChrisGamingNL333]

For some reason the first driver that came to my mind when i was the title was Nico hulkenberg, let's see how close i was

[@ChrisGamingNL333]

Ok I was pretty close but had to go a bit further north for the true mid driver from recent years

[@Mydigitalepitaph]

Too long a career id guess. Need to find the average career length (maybe 3, r seasons?). I thought it would be someone like Thierry Boutsen or some other 80s/early 90s driver (Naninni? Although he might have won a race)

[@fried_fishy]

me too

[@kurwagrande8607]

Nah, Nico has got a lot of races

[@justaguy3310]

@@Mydigitalepitaph Boutsen won 3 races, def not average

[@BManYT22]

Mr Avg also won an Indy 500 just to go full circle

[@Ryzard]

Full circle?

[@MrVsGarage]

It's more like a rectangle but I get you

[@nonamewhite5992]

Full oval

[@JCCyC]

Peter Brook posted a video of all F1 drivers of all time, ranked by points as if every race had today's scoring. You know one driver who was very very close to the middle of the list? Lella Lombardi. To be exact, she was slightly above the middle. By about 10-20 positions or so.

[@jonathonalsop2120]

I pictured Stoffel, glad he wasn't far away.

[@h.salihoden]

Some other candidates for the MAOAT title: Jos Verstappen, Nelson Piquet Jr.... I guess feeling average leads men to do debatable things

[@mAximUm123451]

Somehow I'm not surprised it is Ericsson

[@eobenrader7492]

My gut said it HAD to be a Sauber driver, I thought Giovinazzi or Ericsson

[@nestroit5010]

I think Ericsson hit us.

[@Wochroch]

Wow thank you for ruining the video

[@lukew6725]

​@@Wochroch Your own fault for reading comments before you watch. 😂

[@MrLeeJimi]

I did this a while ago, and while you clarify this is about the median, it's worth pointing out that if you used mean, you'd find its Ginner Nilsson with 31 starts, 1 win, 4 podiums, 1 fastest lap, 1 DNS, 21 laps led and 31 points. The 2 biggest outliers in his stats were 18 retirements (58% of starts) and a best starting grid position of 3rd.

[@amfoy5919]

Dear Mr V, Please post the spreadsheet so I can use the data to confirm my biases. Sincerely, Someone who would like to laugh at Jos Verstappen being below average

[@driver694]

When I think of an average driver people like Adrian Sutil come to mind

[@danriddoch3782]

15:20 interesting how many of these guys were well beaten by their teammates. A head to head comparison weighted using the teammates ELO would be fun

[@Dorasaurus05]

I feel like the amount of self induced crashes and their severity (so no mechanical failures) would make another interesting aspect in this so that we know when to actually call someone crash prone. Loved the video, been watching you for about a year and a half now!

[@edymiguel4247]

Logan Sargeant is not amused

[@sebastiansanchezn1650]

I was betting on Hulk, but Ericsson makes sense. That said, the ending sounds like it's something bad, he is better than half of every driver it ever raced in F1, that's a crazy good stat!! I'd love to get the list and see which shocking ones are on the lower half of that list!

[@borandiUK]

Hulk has been in the sport a fairly long time, even with the gaps

[@keegs1996]

Petition to retroactivly remove the Indy 500 from all Formula 1 statistics

[@waterfoxy3734]

At first i saw a video from this channel, so i thought "oh sweet, i will watch a video from the past". And when i notice it is 44 minutes ago, im crying with happiness

[@achyutbharathkumar299]

0:19 bro u had the perfect chance to use the 2005 US GP or 2021 US GP there

[@NotAfraidToQuestionThings]

A few minutes in and I was thinking Jos Verstappen. Pleased to see I wasn't too far off.

[@syaieya]

My gut check at the start was De la Rosa but he had access to a very above average Mclaren

[@SportIce]

that's some crazy analysis as always

[@quinngodin2985]

Amazing video! One suggestion tho, if you don’t want to look at variance each time you can instead do furthest from the middle.

[@Mydigitalepitaph]

My guess would be a driver who's had a unremarkable career which was longer than 2 seasons but not more than 5. Maybe a few 4th/5th places but never really challenging for podiums/wins (surely a podium/win is better than average?). I thought of both Nannini and Boutsen from the 80s, but they both won races and Boutsen had a 10 year career. If Nannini hadn't won a race, he would be a good candidate. Maybe De Cesaris? Remember him being the Stroll of the 80s. It's going to be something from that era (unless I'm totally proven incompetent and incorrect)

[@DriveLikeAManiac]

fantastic video thanks for making it

[@opsyko3310]

My first thought was Kevin Magnussen, 1 podium, decently long career, quite a few points, but not a staggering amount

[@MoreThan7Digits]

yeah but he has a pole and long careers are really bad also a lot of points just his podium alone puts him as high as ericcson

[@opsyko3310]

@@MoreThan7Digits yeah, this prediction was before i watched the video, so i had no idea just how bad the average career was. I guess i was close geographically

[@MoreThan7Digits]

@@opsyko3310 yeah true

[@jimbass1664]

50,000 people being entertained by spreadsheets? Dude, you have a gift. Or I need to be more afraid for the world than I was already. Keep 'em coming.

[@zephyrod7307]

The modern most average makes an incredible amount of sense

[@TouringCarsAndStuff]

Do this again, but convert the points, or use someone who already has, Peter Brook did, I think he has a full spreadsheet but I’m not sure

[@sebastianahrens2385]

4:36 Checking our GOAT Latifi's stats against this is hilarious :D

[@DuddleBug5]

Make a video about f1 drivers/Prospects who went to indycar right after

[@Denes2005]

When the shadow popped up right at the end i the name “Esteban Guttierez” just popped into my head

[@vastrashastra]

Immediately thought of Nico Hulkenberg but he is in the sport for a very long time certainly more than an average driver would be.

[@jvomkrieg]

My guess for the modern era was Timo Glock. I got close on the length of career but completely forgot he got 3 podiums, which put him way above. Hilarious.

[@Secretlyanothername]

15:10 "there's something about you, it's hard to explain"

[@rhodrambles3943]

Honestly thought it was going to be Sebastian Buemi, loved the video!

[@Sambal_oeleh]

congrats on 50K dude🎉 found you a while back, im now hooked to all vids.❤

[@ommepul]

missed opportunity to put the famous Murray Walker "ouh ouh it's Tarquini"- clip in there

[@borandiUK]

@mrv I always play a game of 'better than sutil'. Is X better than Sutil?

[@GeHeum]

Finally a real mr. V video. Please don't become a streamer, but keep making these videos. You contribute way more doing this

[@Ryolfyo]

Fuck off, it's his channel he produces the content he wishes

[@datvader587]

Actually Tarquini comes from my town here in Italy and he Is the uncle of one of my friends at school 😂

[@Szym_Gu]

Mr V Idea for the next video: The most average team in F1.

[@tomm1413]

There's just something very suiting about a good spreadsheet

[@macnicholson_]

bucket hat, ordered 🤝🏼🤝🏼🤝🏼

[@MrVsGarage]

Hell yeah!! 🙌🙌🙌

[@bobbyr600]

Hell yes, Mr. V returns

[@deanjdk]

The only real way to judge a drivers driving is to the performance potential of the car on a race by race basis, which no-one really does. For example, If Magnussen and Norris swapped cars for every race in their careers, how different would the narratives be for both of them? What would Sainz look like after 3 years in an uncompetative sauber? Zero drivers can overcome the performance gap of the cars ultimately, just maximise the potential of the car, which Bottas could be doing every weekend for all we know.

[@TakodaTGL]

Ericsonn is really mid though so apparently it worked

[@TakodaTGL]

but i see your point, ericsonn only drove mid / shite cars his carreer imagine right if he drove the merc.

[@deanjdk]

​@@TakodaTGL All being said, I agree with Ericsson being most mid 😅

[@derosiflo6524]

15:20 you wrote Klien wrong, our last F1 driver from Austria

[@MrVsGarage]

Oops, autocorrect. I guess he's small now 🤷‍♂️

[@derosiflo6524]

@@MrVsGarage checks out. He's like 1m70 at max xd

[@JohnnyH1992]

The fact that Mr. V still only has 50k subs is a travesty.

[@Skalengerrr]

Me and Mr V are evidently on the same wavelength. The moment the total number of attempted F1 drivers went up (869), i instinctively said "nice" only for Mr V to say it less than half a second later in the video.

[@jamesprumos7775]

the moral of the story: if you're mid in F1, enter the indy 500. With that in mind, I'd like to see you do this for Indycar/CART/champ car/american open-wheel racing.

[@aaronparnell7873]

Amazing vid, now you should do the most average champion 😂

[@nathanfaden450]

I had a suspicion it was going to be Ericsson, bit ironic that he won the Indy 500 though

[@iantirimba4693]

The title is watch -baity ....binge worthy......just worthy

[@Ryzard]

Me waiting for Fernando Alonso's McLaren stint to come in and weigh against his Renault stint to somehow make him win THIS comparison TOO

[@saltyeniquity2939]

Spoilers: A really interesting deep dive I was suprised it wasn't esteban Gutierrez but instead Marcus. Probably because he had 1 faster Lap . Keep up the great videos!

[@H311C0M3]

Me after this video hit my recommended - "I think Ericsson hit us"

[@deabreu.tattoo]

honestly, nobody should ever consider the indy 500 in F1 statistics. it's a whole completely different ruleset, different teams, different everything. it was just a gimmick to justify the Dirver's title being a world thing - which is much more than what the americans do for their baseball world series, at least

[@KevinQuinn81]

Michael's 1993 season was such an unmitigated disaster.

[@kadiribrym3170]

Friday vibesss

[@11Joost11]

Great video daddy

[@alittlejamie8904]

What a beautifully silly video, loved it

[@pierre-louis.hequet]

Yet again Ericsson hit us !

[@chocolatesquare1000]

Quick question, who is the most mid driver on the current grid?

[@Robalexe]

Zhou is Ericsson 2.0

[@LeonardoAldana43]

7:54 Mr. Twenty-two in a rown himself. That’s right. He didn't finish a single race through an entire season

[@toddbrown4185]

haven't watched the video yet, but 100% has to be Niko Hulkenberg. Not a bad driver by any means, but also has the record for most starts without a podium. No one is mad to see him on the grid (unlike Stroll), but people also wouldn't be that mad to see him go. By all accounts, a very average driver

[@maxfi878]

So the most average drivers are a motorcycle driver, a Le Mans winner, an Indy 500 winner and the driver with the worst qualifying record... Checks out.

[@Gangsta_Playz]

Building a driver moat wasn't on my Bingo Card

[@randomestdragon]

Saw the title and one Marcus Ericsson came to mind lmao

[@EzraDoesit121]

MR V DROPPP

[@simplyphenomenalmike]

Vandoorne mentioned!!!!

[@mrwalk6171]

oh no-one will belive me but i called it, i bloody called it, Marcus Ericsson (ok i ddint get the actual just the modern day but good enough). Literally just went "hmm who was goodish recently hulk ah nah too good, maybe mag, nah nah you know who Ericsson"

[@lorenzomarchesi1471]

I was honestly expecting Zhou

[@Ryzard]

To those laughing about the indy win: Ericksson is mid af in Indycar too, he just got a great seat because he was in f1, and is VERY good at Indy (plus had an amazing team for that car setup) Hes since lost that seat lol.

[@dominicbarden4436]

I think one thing he is good at in IndyCar is consistency. Ok, it didn't happen as much at Andretti this season but while at Ganassi he consistently finished in the top 10 in races, and with the additional podium and a win here and there it was enough to keep him in the title picture for a fair part of the season, albeit as more of an outsider than other contenders. Three 6th place finishes in a row in the championship isn't anything to be scoffed at.

[@KordellCaldwell]

Oh my God, its the literal Battle of Mid

[@grognak5366]

It feels illegal to be this early

[@Wing_cap]

8:25 THAT'S WHY AN 11th TEAM IS BEING TALKED ABOUT TODAY! TO MAKE YOUR SCRIPT LOOK SILLY! Of course, I should have seen it sooner!

[@danielh342]

Somehow I clicked on the video with the expectation of Ericsson being the most average F1 driver. He was just there for quite a while, wasn't terrible but also didn't really have any highs.

[@Alucard-gt1zf]

I have a feeling if only max and Lewis were racing (and they were in the same car) it would hardly be boring, it actually sounds pretty fun

[@Eis_]

Speaking of if someone is washed: How does the current F1 Drivers fare? Are they below or above average? Also, is there a per one season metric (as in just measuring one F1 season)?

[@jaredhaines5718]

Wouldn't the mode be a better metric for some of the data? You could be using the mode but just saying "median" cos everyone knows what median means. But yeah. I think mode makes more sense for things like pole and stuff

[@caseys_cozy_garage]

Great humor hahaha I loved it

[@ForzaPolska06]

I didn't watch the video yet so i make a prediction: Adrian Sutil

[@CameronMcRae09]

I wonder who the most average driver on the current grid is? If I had to guess I’d say Magnussen, with Zhou and Albon as the other possibilities

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Zhou’s 20th streak this season hurts that

[@Robalexe]

Magnussen has a pole and a podium and way too many seasons. Albon has 2 podiums and too many top 6s.

[@Robalexe]

​@@Duval-In-The-Wall He didn't have such a streak in his first 2 seasons, so it doesn't drag the quali down that severely.

[@MoreThan7Digits]

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR!!! SPREADSHEETS!!!!

[@randy9286]

Why are you not sponsored by Excel?

[@marielundi]

What would Marcus Ericsson do? HIT US???

[@dazeen9591]

Wouldn't it be Bottas ? Never won anything but has had a very consistent and lengthy career.

[@Halon111]

Bottas does have the 10th most podiums (67) and 35th most wins (10) in F1 history though, which is quite a bit above average.

[@MNSTRs]

I think Ericsson hit our statistics

[@yugmantur6731]

now show the best snd worst on those sheets

[@mkr_mac]

And Marcus Ericsson won the Indy 500. Full circle for sure.

[@erasmus_locke]

Now predict what non F1 driver would do best in Formula 1

[@itoshiigrauben]

The 2022-23 Guanyu Zhou was quite average too

[@duckrutt]

Yeah yeah, tell me how many Indy drivers skipped the 500 to race at Monaco vs the number of F1 drivers who skipped Monaco to race at Indy

[@prezmon4199]

The fact that Jos verstappen isn’t that far off of Marcus Ericsson and max is a 3 WDC