MSFS 2024 IMPROVE YOUR VR! Enjoy CRISPER VISUALS & SMOOTHER FPS! DLSS SWAPPER - FOR NVIDIA GPUs!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

How is the VR performance for you in MSFS2024?

[@acurisur]

Worse than 2020 when I tried it last night, so I'll be trying DLSS swapper

[@Mike-pq8yu]

Mine seems alright so far with an i7 9700k, 32gb ram and a 4070ti, still tweaking to try and get the best visuals

[@iwfro]

Mine seems fine, with the latest diss files. Smooth around London 7800x3d 4090

[@GreekSIMRACING]

Performance difference between the two flightsims is haotic more than 15 FPS on easy scenery and light aircraft,also its not compatible with 300 gb downloaded scenery.

[@chrisbellamy2927]

25-40fps with link cable , 4070 ,i5 12400 gpu and cpu 85% vd and steam vr fps the same but cpu 100% we need open xr and vd to sort this mess out

[@a.b.c.d.e]

why, oh why .... is it still so complicated to get to good VR settings? Why don't they provide some standard VR profiles that work well out of the box? VTOL VR can do it, Alyx can do it. But PCVR too often feels like a restaurant where you have to tell the cook what to put in the soup.

[@jerryrivera4298]

@@a.b.c.d.e YES! That's so true. I'd invite you to see it this way, however. We are part of the forefront of this technology. It is not plug and play, but once we learn to get it together, we get to experience something that very few people can. So, keep on pushing and testing. It'll work out!

[@GD-lv8cc]

Why can't the vr settings start you off with the advanced graphics drop down? Makes you click way too many times to get in.

[@VilleVaananen]

Because VR is a niche and developers are more interested in getting their games work on flatscreen. At least we get separate settings for playing on a monitor and on VR as well as having the option to switch from VR mode to flatscreen with a simple keyboard shortcut. I think MSFS is the only game that does these.

[@ricardograde5134]

If I raise sharpening… I have a crash. VR also crash in career mode. You too?

[@jerryrivera4298]

@VilleVaananen EXACTLY. I remember when I was a kid, and DBZ was at its peak. The PS1 was out, and all the cool stuff was from Japan. You needed so many teaks here and there to make it work in the US. Then, the market opened up, and the tech advanced to make it easily accessible. Kinda same with this. This hobby is very niche, and nich technology is not made to be accessible. Not on purpose, but the nature of the fabrication process and development. It'll be like this for a few more years unless you buy a PSVR or Meta, which ARE meant to reach a bigger market.

[@kevint1719]

I started FS2024 for the first time 2 hours ago, expecting a long evening tweaking things to get it to run acceptably, and astonishingly I was able to have a great flight first attempt, changing nothing at all. This was using my Quest 3 via Virtual Desktopm and an I7 PC with 32GB RAM and a 4070 Super. I had no end of trouble with FS2020 and based on what others have been saying, I must be very lucky. I must say I am massively impressed with how much better the sim looks, especially the lighting and the improved UK scenery. I was flying around South London, spotting Dulwich College, Crystal Palace Park, Lewisham town centre. First day and I love the game. It's what I'd hoped the first game would be in 2020.

[@mattanstess5271]

How does the 4070 super perform?

[@ht6501]

Ive always used DLSS and the Quality setting in msfs 2020 and this one. I didn't know it was update able though so cheers for that.

[@Paulie8K]

Great tip. I never played 2020 but at the time I had a Quest 2 and a potato for a PC. Now I have a highly upgraded potato as it relates to MSFS with a R7 5700X3D and RTX 3080 but somehow I'm able to run it on my Quest 3 with some tweaks. I will keep my eye on the 5080 if it's not the price of a kidney. New sub!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks Paulie Welcome aboard!

[@jerryrivera4298]

I discovered this last night. Thank you for confirming it! I was having such a horrible time with performance, especially after going through a big expense with my GPU upgrade, just for this. Then I tried DLSS, and BOOM! I almost cried. Beautiful! - (I am running: FE RTX 4080 Super / Ryzen 9 5950X / Pimax Crystal Light)

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

You're very welcome!

[@jerryrivera4298]

@VRFlightSimGuy Good sir, I'm so looking forward to your upcoming video. Thank you for all of your guidance and all of what you do! Big fan here!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

​@@jerryrivera4298Really means a lot Jerry, especially as I'm working my socks off at the moment 😅

[@iamcanadian2121]

Wow thanks this was the best tip yet. I installed the swaper and my FPS almost doubled What a game changer in VR!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Awesome :)

[@DaveBrown1]

Hi Steve & thanks for the video. Dont know if something happened to the same today but I now have a usable vr setup, using RTX4070 and a Varjo and lates DLSS file. Long story short I have started using the openxr toolkit again and also turned off the FPS counter, just treaked for sharp & smooth. I must review my settings when I get some time. Looking forward to your setup for the 4070 & Varjo + 4070 & Quest 3. Thanks dude

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Nice one Dave! Sometimes the best thing you can do is turn off the fps counter 😁

[@jamessimmons8352]

Thanks Steve. Been using DLSS Swapper in 2020. Hadn't even looked into it in 2024. Glad you mentioned it. I forgot, because like you, I tend to use TAA, but DLSS may be needed in 2024 because of DX12

[@jamessimmons8352]

I think the microphone is actually pretty good. Clear and loud.

[@UkDave3856]

Good info. Cheers Steve, you're a ledge as always

[@BigBawMcGraw]

I tried DLSS swapper with 2020 a few months ago, but it introduced even more crashes than usual, no matter which version I used, so I went back to default.

[@Maty743A]

Anyone know how to ruduce the sharpness/shimmering of trees? Both at mid, and long range. At mid distance the leaves feel way to sharp and fake, while trees in the very far dustance are too clearly defined instead of blending into landscape

[@reedi30]

I agree, this is a step back for VR, I'm lucky enough to have a Varja Aero and 4090 and I'm struggling to get a good balance. DLSS looks pants compared to TAA mode even with using DLS Swapper. Even tweaked some Open XR toolkit settings and did not notice much difference. Granted, I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing with that anyway, I followed an old KZbin video. I guess the missed out the VR update from the launch version?

[@lsdzheeusi]

is 'pants' good?

[@reedi30]

@@lsdzheeusi haha, sorry “pants” is slang for a polite way of saying 💩 😀

[@MrJo89600]

I've always used DLSS in DLLA mode with a quest 3 and OXRTK, and I find it better.

[@felipeturbayr]

looking forward to your VR guide Steve!

[@victorchan4223]

I tried it but the latest DLSS version does not handle anti-alieasing well (the game hasn't used it correctly). I am seeing more jaggies and it does run slightly faster. I went back to the old dll but something got corrupted in the process. I had to let Steam to check the integrity of the files and it found 2 needing to be replaced. I am back to the original dll now.

[@babycrappy]

thanks for this! When you do your full VR setup guide, can you go from absolute scratch on how you set up the connection, settings in VD if applicable, and if use/not use openxr toolkit etc? Im having a really hard time finding anything that works good for me, and adjusting any of these doesnt seem to do anything in particular..

[@daviddahlstrom192]

In my first few days with MSFS 2020, I was using DLSS on my Pimax Crystal and 13900K/4090RTX since it was the only way to get it to run smooth at the settings I was using. In 2020 I always used TAA, but in 2024 only briefly since my initial experience was pretty poor performance-wise. However, I was feeling like the graphical improvements in 2024 weren't much better than 2020, even when tweaking up the settings as far as I dared, and was starting to write off the sim as being rather underwhelming. However, over the weekend I decided to spend a few hours carefully tweaking and finding out the effect of each setting. What I discovered upon lowering a few settings (especially terrain and object lod, which I had maxed out), and returning to TAA was that the graphical improvement was way too dramatic to ignore. Not only was terrain sharper, but surprisingly, I found that new atmospheric effects just popped in a way that DLSS was dampening and seemed utterly realistic. I don't know exactly why DLSS does this, but it led me to drop DLSS entirely and do everything I could to optimize for TAA, which I'm glad to say I have been able to get running smoothly enough to be very happy with. I should add that as part of this optimization I turned off motion smoothing and reprojection since, even though artifacts seem well controlled, the sim just doesn't *feel* as smooth with these turned on as with them off.

[@tyrjocke]

What kind of settings are you running the sim? Whats overall your settings?

[@daviddahlstrom192]

@@tyrjocke I'm using TAA mode at 100 render scaling, which given my Crystal's PimaxPlay settings produces a resolution of 3512x4156. I started out with all settings on medium, but then boosted several to high including clouds, ambient occlusion, water waves, and contact shadows. Off screen pre-caching is on Ultra (I also increased the rolling cache to 64GB). Traffic settings are low for now. Anisotropic filtering is at 16x16 and texture super sampling at 8x8. Some of the more important settings, however, when it comes to smoothness as opposed to just fps are the following. At first, I had terrain and object lod maxed, but found that lowering them to 300 and 150 respectively made things smoother even though the fps remained similar. I may lower these more, but I'm pretty happy at these settings. The other important things were to turn off the Pimax motion smoothing and MSFS reprojection mode settings. I think these need more raw fps to work efficiently, and so were actually doing more harm than good. Finally, I found that running MSFS 2024 under SteamVR with the Steam OpenXR runtime produces a noticeably smoother experience than the Pimax OpenXR runtime.

[@ExOrbit1980]

OXR toolkit still works. CAS in combination with DLSS helps a lot with clarity.

[@mobius3515]

DLSS still has very blurry gauges for me, but I'm also on the Quest 3. Maybe there's a sweet spot with using DLSS in game, but upscaling on the Meta Quest app?

[@1107laurens]

Try upscaling again in openxr toolkit, like some said before there need to be a option between the 66% quality render of dlss and dlaa.

[@mobius3515]

Ah yes, I almost forgot that the toolkit still works with 2024. I'll try that first!

[@bigmakbm1]

Same problem I'm having with my Quest 3 but not my Reverb G2. I'm thinking the upscaling and the compression together are the main reasons the Quest 3 looks a little bad.

[@mobius3515]

@@bigmakbm1 Between upscaling and DLSS, it's definitely workable now on the Quest 3. Gauges are still a bit blurry, but I can at least read the airspeed now. Still a lot of hoops to jump through when TAA is still sharper with only a slight performance decrease. But I'll keep trying for a sweet spot.

[@ysteinRnning]

Nice, this doubled my fps from TAA on my 3080 with reverb g2. Like you said, the g1000 is still readable. Thankyou!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Great to hear! 👌

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

Thanks for the video!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

😊😊

[@HeliSimDriver]

Very disappointing that the frame rate performance in MSFS 2024 is not better than in 2020. I thought that by using the extra cores on the CPU, there should have great improvement but I am getting almost the same frame rates with my 13900K and RTX 4090. Maybe I’m missing something here.

[@martyristau8212]

The better multi-threading only helps when you're CPU limited. In VR though every game in every scenario is pretty much alsways GPU-limited. So the only way to optimize VR performance is lowering settings that have an impact on the GPU.

[@HeliSimDriver]

@ I don’t agree with this. In VR, with a 4090, I was never limited by the GPU. The CPU was always at 100%, so I would think that the extra cores should have helped. But maybe there is something going on that I don’t understand. 🤔

[@Thunderbird1337]

@@HeliSimDriver When you are that CPU limited, you have to reduce the traffic (vehicles/ planes/ airport traffic) and vegetation. The traffic is heavily consuming CPU power. Even with a 7800X3D I have to reduce traffic heavily (to low setting) to have a fluent experience on airports on the ground. Also high tree settings use a lot of CPU power, reduce trees to medium.

[@jazoncabatu2841]

I fly the FenixA320 a lot but I could never run it on DLSS, everything in the cockpit gets blurry.

[@gtsimmo1]

Gauge softness is a instant no go for me even with the latest file. DCS also suffers from the same problem with flash. However I have a 14900k and a 4090 to brute force TAA clarity.

[@markm75]

are you using the dynamic quality setting for VR as well, now i think native with 2024?

[@VRManCave]

Hey there! My Quest 3 for some reason shows a weird image with black borders all around the view, like I'm watching through a pair of binoculars. Any idea on how to fix it? (tried Virtual Desktop, AirLink and Wired Link, all the same)

[@kontrastlicht]

Which gpu?

[@kontrastlicht]

Same Problem with 3080

[@GT1GT]

Your microphone on the pimax crystal light sounds fine to me just saying.

[@adsilite]

Thanks for your videos

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

My pleasure

[@matp8493]

Improve your vr by playing msfs2020

[@bensch7906]

I've asked on reddit and steam about head tracking and no one could solve this, so I'm going to try asking here: It's tricky to explain, but it's driving me nuts and ruining the sim for me. Everything in my center view overrides what I'm hovering over with the mouse/controller cursor. For example, if I'm adjusting throttle and then my center view moves onto another button, that other button gets clicked instead of the throttle which I was currently adjusting and which the mouse is still hovering over. Is this normal? It's weird because if I'm using VR with mouse/keyboard/controller I have the issue, but when using VR with VR controller I can continue to manipulate a specific knob even when my view leaves the panel. I'm at my wits end!!! (using PSVR 2)

[@Spyder638]

Yeah I’m having this issue too. Driving me insane. The cheek of MS saying they were treating VR as a platform 😅

[@thepeted]

Same issue, it’s maddening. Seem to recall this problem in 2020, are you using a gamepad by any chance? I’ve heard before it’s related to that.

[@Spyder638]

@ yeah, I am

[@bensch7906]

@@thepeted Yup, using an xbox controller. If you use VR controllers this problem doesn't happen, I might just stick to that for the time being.

[@badewannenwikinger2522]

THX for your videos.. Is tehre also a tool out there for my Radeon RX 7900 XT?

[@Ghanja007]

I dunno, I tried it out and the text is blurry. It is smoother moving side to side. But I rather stick with taa, with lower settings elsewhere like trees/grass. The clarity is unmatched. Also it’s sort of the same with or without the updated dlss file, hazy is the best way I can describe it.

[@jackr.749]

The mic actually sounded pretty good. I don't have 2024 yet, but in 2020, the Pimax Play 90hz upscaling mode also seems to work pretty well with my Crystal Light (7800X3D / 4090), have you given this a try with 2024 and how did that work for you?

[@WhitehouseProds]

I can't focus on improving performance when I am regularly, but randomly, losing all control inputs during a flight! (mouse, keyboard, throttle and stick). Has anyone experienced this?

[@richardPalmisano]

Steve do you know when msfs 2020 is supposed to change there weather , clouds injection the same as 2024 I thought I was supposed to be this month on the 19th, which was a week ago.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Not sure I follow you Richard sorry!

[@richardPalmisano]

What I’m trying to say is I thought Microsoft flight simulator 2020 is going to have the same weather engine as 2024 with better clouds with an update

[@chrisbellamy2927]

virtual desk top just had an update and this is now in games list so were back in buisness, with xr tool kit and vd. im down to 35 fps from 40fps in 2020 but not bad for now. please share !!!

[@c97f]

Curious how MSFS 2024 will work with VR once MS takes away Mixed Really. Will we have to re buy the game on Steam and use Steam VR?

[@DMan-ud6bt]

I'm running 2024 in my Index at 300% resolution, 130% sharpening, TAA, dynamic graphics off, and all settings maxed - there are certainly stutters in areas with a lot going on, but I'll tolerate it for now. I want that detail without the blurriness. I think most of the issues come down to poor optimization. Really tired of waiting for my VR1.

[@PeterHordijk-x3b]

The graphics look great indeed in MSFS2024, but somehow I cannot get my Quest 3 controllers to work properly in VR. So it is impossible to play in VR. Is there anyone who has the same issue (and solved it hopefully) ?

[@mcculleys3780]

Thanks! Average frame rate on the 4090 with this DLSS quality and swap file enabled?

[@dannymiester5825]

I've been using dlss 3.7.2 and found it to be smooth on both fs2020 and fs2024, but like you have shown I am unable to use TAA in fs2024, it's a slideshow unfortunately. 😢

[@Mesusir]

Only problem with DLSS swapper is I don't see MSFS 2024 in the games....🤔

[@haydenb123]

Is OpenXR toolkit dead? I want to sharpen it TO THE MAX. I have a Rift S lol

[@Jimbopf]

NOTE: You can’t be “in game” when using the swapper. It’ll throw an error for “file in use”.

[@JDVVV378]

Had good performance but I change my Openxr toolkit settings and I think I blew it so my FPS not good now. TAA is sharper. I try the DLS swapper.

[@Mr-P00sh]

Thanks for the video matey ❤

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Pleasure Matty :)

[@johnw65uk]

Agree runs smoother on DLSS than TAA with a bit of a hit on the sharpness. Would like to know how say the Pimax crystal compares to Quest 3. I struggle to get more than 40fps using virtual desktop, which actually ran better than quest link. Would like to know if it’s worth an upgrade to pimax for performance?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

That video will be out tomorrow (or Wednesday)

[@slhsimdesigns]

@VRFlightSimGuy what CPUs do you have. I would love a CPU shootout with the 4090 GPU. I'm curious if MSFS2024 prefers x3d chips are chips with i higher core count now. The 7800/9800x3d are the fastest cpus for MSFS2020 but i want know if that's the case for MSFS2024 as well.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I'm about to start testing on a 7950X3D tomorrow :)

[@ztublackstaff]

Ok so I tried DLSS Quality and whole it smooth with better FPS, I kept getting really weird pixilated flickers in the Pimax Crystal every few seconds. Even rebooting the head set (which works in DLAA mode) wouldn’t fix them. Then after 10 minutes the sim CTD’d. I get CTDs after about 10-15 minutes no matter what aircraft or location. More so in career mode though. Unfortunately this sim is just not stable… Running i9-12k, 4090, 64GB Ram, 3Tbit Fiber All water cooled.

[@RolandDobbins]

Stable for me.

[@PebbleTrader]

I get CTD's constantly too.

[@PebbleTrader]

I emailed Microsoft Flight Simulator Support and they said they are aware of the problem and investigating.

[@WildBillJr]

Note that if you installed this from the MSStore into the default directory the dlss files will end up in a heavily protected (and invisible to DLSS swapper) directory. You also cannot swap it manually. YMMV.

[@benoitghio9829]

That is true. I have this issue. What is the solution ?

[@68sixgun]

I've done it manually, maybe because I have it installed on a different drive.

[@WildBillJr]

@@benoitghio9829 I think you may be able to move the install with the Windows 11 app installer. Find the MSFS2024 application in the app installer section of the control panel. Check and see what the options are for it in there. I haven’t tried this myself and I don’t know if it will work. The other option would be to uninstall and re-install in a different location. There is an option somewhere in MSStore to change the default install locations. I don’t recall exactly. Sorry I can’t be more help…I’m away from a computer at the moment.

[@WildBillJr]

@@68sixgun Yes, that’s the trick.

[@simpedros4766]

@@benoitghio9829get the latest dlss file from dlss swapper then just past it into the msfs2024 install folder. It will overwrite a file if you put it in the right place

[@endre1010]

Thanks for the informative video! Downloaded the swapper and it helps a lot. Getting 45FPS on DLSS Ultra Performance, cockpit still legible. A nice compromise is DLSS Performane where I’m getting around 35 FPS in the Pimax Crystal on a RTX 4080. Unfortunately I haven’t been able to get Foveated rendering to work with OpenXR Toolkit (neither fixed nor dynamic). Has anyone been able to? I feel like that would the boost we need

[@endre1010]

Actually, just had to restart the whole foveated rendering part of OpenXR toolkit and it works now!

[@mastermachetier5594]

What graphics cars are you using?

[@Sammy_Rashford]

Thanks for the Video mate. I am coming back to VR after a while and trying to get my quest 3 setup on FS 2024. I know you're going to be a very busy guy with the new sim out, but is there any chance you could do a updated Quest 3 video with the best settings and Virtual Desktop settings? I have a 12900k and 4090 and still getting a poor performance really. But I am quite new to it, so I reckon I've ballsed up somewhere! Would be hugely appreciated! Cheers.

[@tyrjocke]

I have the same Gpu but a 7800x3d and the performence and clarity is bad...

[@goochygoochoutdoors.1913]

Not sure if you have answered this Steve. Are you running with Hags on in NSFS 2024

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

HAGS on (for my system). However, I've since tested with it off and it makes no difference in 2024 for some reason!

[@jbw3]

Are you seeing micro-stutters close to airplane when taking a look at the ground? It was driving me insane

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Your FPS are too low.

[@alexb6225]

A tip I stumbled across recently was to delete my Nvidia Shader Cache. Not something I recall I'd ever done in the past. I was sceptical that it would make any difference, however the micro stutters were none existent afterwards. There's plenty of guides/videos to talk you through doing it, very easy, takes about 5 mins. Maybe worth a try.

[@pointzeroblack]

I'm not a DLSS fan either. I would always run TAA in 2020 and get a locked 45 fps. In 2024 im in the 30-40 fps with same settings unfortunately

[@darrenbrown3128]

Not using DLSS (TAA instead), and my sim is like butter with Quest 3 (most things on high or ultra too). The clarity is superb - in fact I’m almost convinced it’s running better than msfs2020 for me! And it looks stunning compared to msfs2020 too! I’m pretty happy right now! i7 14700k, RTX4070S, 32Gb DDR5.

[@bgey73]

Hi! Are you using air link, cable, steam link, virtual desktop,.. ?

[@tyrjocke]

You have to run it at low resolution then i guess

[@wakevortex]

Couldnt agree more Steve... TAA is a killer in FS2024 ....Ive also now switched to DLSS and its way better..in fact TAA was even crashing VR for me when approaching airfields.. no idea why.. ... no such problems in DLSS..

[@HowlerBikeVlogs]

do you also have issues with reading the tablet on the right window in the 172? might just be me being on a valve index still, but it's just too small for me. and if i press tab to pop it out as an on screen menu thing, i can't manipulate it, cant drag it, cant use it or read it even... horrible since i really need it

[@ЮрійГордієнко-х2з]

I'm in the same boat - not readable on Pimax Crystal & 4090.

[@thousand69-ue6gn]

I have AMD 7900gre and fsr is horrible in vrT_T

[@anthonyjacobsonsimracing]

hi, thanks for vid, thoughts on rift s and a 4060 ti, I want to get the sim and run vr, but dont want to upgrade pc? thanks

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Rift S will have a better chance, due to its low resolution. I used to love mine.

[@anthonyjacobsonsimracing]

@@VRFlightSimGuy cool thanks :)

[@jamiesalmonsculpture8599]

Is this swapper beneficial to msfs 2020 vr?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Yes 👍

[@theaagria]

can you show your openxr settings please?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Video coming tonight for the Quest 3

[@theaagria]

@VRFlightSimGuy great thanks!

[@sascenturion]

Thanks for that steve 👍 Dont forget you will need to use the dlss swapper again after microsoft/asobo release a sim update/patch as it will install/ revert back to the origional dlss file the sim shipped with

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I forgot to mention this, thanks mate :)

[@jbw3]

I tried that day 1. Saw 0 improvement. Currently wiping my computer for a clean install

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

It's made a nice difference for me and means I can now finally enjoy using DLSS

[@silverchin43]

It appears like 2020 looks better than 2024

[@SparkySven]

I think you are using DLSS in your video because it's immens blurry at start. ;-) Thanks for the quick video. I'll be useing your wisdom in my VR after this video but we AMD GPU peesp don't have any DLSS.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Try it early next year maybe? ;)

[@leseroprod]

Yeah and me on AMD GPU any suggestion

[@zaylo6941]

@@leseroprod try using optiscaler it will allow u to use dlss on amd gpu.

[@fergie89]

Do I need to run DLSS Swapper every time I launch the sim? Or just once to do the swap?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Just once 👍

[@tickledpinkmist]

I boost my fps by not playing MSFS2024. Works every time.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

@matp8493 beat you do it :D

I hope you can test some AMD cards.

[@nope-z5y]

Have you noticed that SteamVR thinks it is running FS2020? It makes me wonder if 2024 started its life as just an update to 2020 and they decided to spin it off into a new game.

[@RIKAAR_Ambient]

there is not much improvement! really not

[@primashock]

Not a DLSS fan or not fan thing. Unfortunately you're late here because this sim is not.. I repeat NOT optimized for VR. And you can't use DLSS TWEAKS.. an amazing tool for 2020. Here we are experiencing another problem... Dlss quality is getting your resolution multiplied by 0.66.. the results are not there yet. That's why we need dlss tweaks at least to work so we can modify those values.. DLSS DLAA, the winner in 2020 is impossible to replicate in 2024... We need youtubers like you (I produce content for Spanish oriented audience) with the amount of subscribers to raise our voices and demand Asobo and Microsoft an investment putting people with knowledge to work, FIX VR and put what they need to put here. MBucchia, creator of openXR toolkit already said that.. VR is dead in 2024. "Overall from reading the above, it looks like we are now entering year 4 of “subpar VR in MSFS” and the gaming industry keep showing that it doesn’t care about PCVR"

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Yes I know, that's why I'm using DLSS, because TAA is too hard on performance. Thanks for your comments!

[@arride4590]

People needs to stop "lie" to themselves and admit this game is not for VR.

[@daviddahlstrom192]

@@arride4590 Actually, if you have a 4090 and get it tweaked just right, it is visually quite superior to 2020, though right on the edge of acceptable performance, so lower tier cards and headsets just aren't going to be able to do it justice. So I wouldn't quite say that it is not for VR, but it is correct to say that it is absolutely not *optimized* for VR. In fact, just the glaringly obvious non-working toolbar and futzy mouse control that would have taken 5 minutes for any QA tester to find and put on the critical/don't ship-because-a-major-feature-is-seriously-broken list, is proof that VR is not regarded as an important feature. But at least it was included, even if it is now a legacy feature with the VR team disbanded (as widely reported on last year).

[@primashock]

@@daviddahlstrom192 no, it's not. I have a Ryzen 7800x3d, 64gb ddr5 at 6600mhz, TUF RTX 4090 OC and pimax Crystal Light. DLAA is impossible in 2024. If you are getting a good performance is because you are actually rendering the game at "low resolution". Do yourself a favor and enable dev mode. then debug > fps counter. Now tell me what is your render resolution and how many fps you are getting, of course. Now try to use the 100% resolution of the pimax crystal light *4286x5202 and tell me if you get a smooth and good performance in DLAA rendering at that resolution. In 2020 we were getting 40fps and a perfect visual experience with that config.

[@primashock]

@@arride4590 It is "working" in VR but the implementation is poor and the results are obvious. People don't understand how this game works and what are the render resolutions vs what DLSS does to that resolution. Directx12 feels in Beta still. I see tons of transparent mountains, glitches, bad tessellation... Not to mention the new features like animals that jump from one spot to another in one flashing moment and they look ugly and unreal// I don't care about this but if you're going to state like they said many times that this game was going to be amazing... it is far from that and we need to raise our voices. We are paying a lot of money. It's not just the $200 for the game.. we move the VR industry, getting state of the art equipment. If we need to get a 5090 to solve these issues we are being robbed./

[@l8knight845]

I thought the Mic sounded fine!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Oh that's great thanks :)

[@l8knight845]

@VRFlightSimGuy No problem. Are you getting a Crystal Pro to start reviewing?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

​Crystal Super? Affirmative.

[@jayfullerton6981]

The whole bandwidth streaming sucks, my bandwidth is 50mbps which is all that is available in my area, I have a 14900kf with a 4090 and 96 ram and my experience has been complete disappointment, might as well be using a laptop 3060 to play 🤬

[@PebbleTrader]

The SECRET SAUCE: 120FPS by setting DLSS to Balanced and using SSW in virtual desktop, set most settings to Low (except volumetric clouds to Ultra). An absolute dream, buttery smooth.

[@Space_pirateDKK]

But then everything looks like a potato not much fun in that ..🤷‍♂️

[@PebbleTrader]

@@Space_pirateDKK I almost never use DLSS in VR for that reason. Give it a try. It actually is a huge boost in smoothness and the decrease in clarity is very acceptable. At least until we have better options. (I'm on 4090 with 64GB ram with Quest 3, this is the best I can get it to run)

[@zkr2133]

Screw that I am sticking to MFS2020 until they fix this completely

[@bigmakbm1]

You definitely don't want to use DLSS if you care about clear gauges.

[@KoelJ]

DLAA Better under DLSS

[@schorschgaggo1601]

Before i had to play with those completely washed out and horrible blurry looking visuals ill throw VR in the bin and use a proper screen!

[@ramulus84]

Bring on the guide! Thank you!

[@murfenator82]

AMD gpu users with no hope without dlss...

[@murfenator82]

This game looks like trash on vr on my system. And I have have a med/high pc

[@hamishthecat4370]

Pretty bad actually, brand new game using outdated dlss files. As I've always said Asobo have absolutely no foresight whatsoever.

[@oisiaa]

DLSS sucks! The only solution is to use a 4090/5090 so you can brute force FPS!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I am and... I will.

[@oisiaa]

@@VRFlightSimGuy I'm happy with my 4090 performance once off the ground in VR. My surface level FPS isn't great to the point that I don't think the 5090 will truly make it smooth. I'm running Ultra EVERYTHING with no attempt to get buttery FPS. I'd rather have quality over smoothness.

[@chrisbellamy2927]

virtual desk top just had an update and this is now in games list so were back in buisness, with xr tool kit and vd. im down to 35 fps from 40fps in 2020 but not bad for now. please share !!!