MSI 1080ti Duke 11GB OC Graphics card Not Powering on - 12v Short circuit. Is it fixable?

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[@panzerkampfwagentigerausf.7452]

If possible more GPU vids please. Really enjoyed this one.

[@mufeedco]

Agreed 👍

[@earlygamer9106]

💯

[@Captain_Dark]

Right. I have one that I want to send in. Waiting to hear back now

[@mytownmatt]

I always appreciate your 'no fix' videos, it helps to see you go through the troubleshooting process, but then also to know when to quit. For other shop owners like myself trying to move into board repair more it is extremely helpful! I feel your videos have given me an amazing advantage as I learn these skills myself

[@sharfazhameed6382]

Great video Alex. It’s not always the fix videos give all the knowledge and experience but the both fix and no fix videos. Knowledge is power.

[@AmadonFaul]

I know you don't like them, but PLEASE do more GPU videos Alex! They are my favorite.

[@ndumisodube76]

Thought l was alone

[@zacharytaylor8523]

@@Arvidje Very few people actually do GPU repairs and since the graphics card companies do squander repair to a degree it is interesting to see what fails and what to do to diagnose

[@Dreyzie]

Internal Shorts like this are mostly hard to fix. You’ll need to scrape the layer of the board to get to it and then run a jumper connection. Good job man.

[@forum42087]

Yes finally another GPU repair video, I've missed these!👍

[@ytmsz98]

Thanks for this video. I watched all of your GPU videos, I managed to buy damaged one and successfully repaired it. It was Palit GTX 1050 Ti - $75. Surprisingly only two PCIe signal pins were corroded. It was so difficult to solder it without good microscope. It was worth, because GPUs are so expensive nowadays.. Thanks to your videos I got a lot of confidence in repairs although I'm control engineering student.

[@GeVeBeGaming]

I bet you have seen a massive increase in GPU repairs, I remember the times when if my GPU failed I would just buy an upgraded one.

[@lucymc0191]

great video alex my friend ... good to see the no fix side of things i know its not nice but its the reality of the work you do .. joe .

[@Cabeza492]

For guys like me that are just learning, this kind of videos are conforting. Because is so easy to frustrate when we can't give a solution to a problem that was very hard to find. So watching that this monsters of high level electronics, can't solve some problems either, is some like encouraging to us.

[@dhawk5712]

recently watched your videos and appreciate how detailed you are with your repairs and just realized I live within 20 mins from your shop! I will be sure to head to your shop without hesitation if something goes wrong with my devices

[@perthimports]

I found flooding the area with more solder you can remove fused components quite often, I think it is more effective than just flux and hot air, maybe worth a shot in the future.

[@HazeAnderson]

fair enough but no pads were ripped ...

[@euphoricmonk]

Flood with solder but then still use a hot air and flux? or try to solder you way out of the mess?

[@zee4uu4me]

I hold my breath watching your every repair.

[@stefanlechner]

Damn thats a hard one. I think the mosfet burned down some layer and they now made this short... thank you for that video. Greets

[@tschupbach]

I use a board heater (I think I saw one in the background) to het the board temperature up a bit before using hot air. Have to be careful what's on the other side, though!

[@Sydney268]

Wouldn't bump up the voltage any more...clearly that 2.2v is going straight to the memory chips, you can see them warming up too.

[@chrisv6126]

From my understanding alot of these could be spared by simply having a fuse on the 12 volt lines. A simple, super cheap fuse could have saved this card. That's what hundreds of dollars get you now adays.

[@drmoose7233]

So true, the manufacturers knew a fuse is a must for the card or any given product to because a long lasting product but Noooo whats the planned obsolescence for right.

[@gary00832]

Why do mosfets fail? Power spikes? Isn’t that there job essentially? Good vid brother! I could watch you fix a toaster! Be blessed!!

[@filips7158]

There should be a standard for the manufacturers not to route any signal tracks underneath components susceptible to such damage. That way you can just drill out underneath and the board can still operate. Even better, to impose separation in two parts : high-power portion of the board (power management, power converters), which can be replaced, and a signal processing board, with power traces nowhere near the signaling traces.

[@davidefogagnolo]

video cards are something like 16 layer pcbs. if you think it's an easy and mindless change to the layout you are incredibly not aware of the complexity of these boards

[@filips7158]

@@davidefogagnolo it is very possible to redesign the boards to separate power delivery functionality and signaling. In terms of durability, quality and repairability, it is by far a better solution. It is however more expensive and implies more expensive assembly process. Manufacturers only care about cost, for the time being. This will inevitably change sooner or later.

[@OnStageLighting]

There's one or more ground planes across the entire board, so there is always gonna be a risk when the layers start to break down.

[@LiveType]

Ah, yes. Make an already expensive board (relatively speaking) more expensive. Yes, please! The best thing you can do is make sure nothing is overheating, every thermal interface makes good contact, and to dust your components regularly. Assuming the manufacturer didn't screw up. Cough, EVGA 3090s, cough.

[@dmitryserov5595]

Maybe it can be fixed. But not without "digging in".

[@Mehecanogeesir]

After the time it takes to do the diagnostics in the video, it's not worth it anymore. The layers of a pcb are so thin.. digging into one part may mess up another part afterwards. Then, you're looking at multi-layer, multi-circuit board repair/reconstruction. Let me know how that goes and how much you would need to be paid to do it for the next 150+ GPUs he has to fix xD

[@urbanmec993]

Great video as always ,Thank you sir.

[@lovo.c7937]

Oh man its so sad to see a dead GPU I love to watch you fixing laptops so make more laptop series please Stay safe

[@Alan_Skywalker]

Just grind the burnt area, there's still a chance of fixing it.

[@samgoff5289]

Sure ther is a chance but he is running a business here not working on a hobby

[@gwolf2u]

No idea why, but I also enjoy video card repairs more I do understand that it might not be good for Alex for a business perspective to work a lot on one board, but hey, at least we all enjoyed it for sure 😃

[@sylvesteryaiuglig2470]

A very precise and professional inspection of the problem. I hope the customer doesn't ask for the two defective mosfats to be put back as it would be a waste of your time. I had people like that..... demanding for the repair to put back to it's original state, which I really hate...

[@David-xy5sd]

Im a commercial electrician but i love taking apart electronics lol. Not a tweeker either. Quick question, is the damage on video cards damaged from overclocking typically or is it just because nothing lasts forever either ?

[@chasefournier]

Okay, so I'm guessing the reason why GPU's are far less repairable than laptops is because, The power supply in the PC is capable of supplying more sustainable amps to the card. Or no protection mode? Anyway, usually a laptop charger has a protection mode and I assume when the short happens that the short doesn't cause the PC supply to go into a protection state. And of course causes more damage. This is just a guess, I'm not particularly sure how PC supplies work. Anyway, great video Alex! Thank you for your hard work!

[@realevostevo]

Thanx as always for sharing with us Alex : ) Your videos are inspirational.

[@tinman9341]

Thanks for your video and insight. I’ve never worked on video cards but it’s great info to know in the future. Keep up the great work!

[@jdeltoro518]

Good effort,learned that some times you can't fix it..but that the way it is some times

[@infinitesky1983]

Better use preheater when you are working with grapic cards, even strongest hotair dont have a chances (otherwise damage pcb) when u need disolder something bigger than mosfets. Anyway nice try and more gpu video please!! Cheers from Poland ;)

[@samgoff5289]

This guy is awesome and knows what he is doing

[@WasatchElectronics]

If you have a good hot air station like the Atten ST862D or a JBC, you don't really need a preheater. It's really only needed for BGA work, like core replacements. It's also not completely necessary for memory since it's on the smaller side, but I personally use it there as well :)

[@euphoricmonk]

@@WasatchElectronics what about Quick 861dw?

[@WasatchElectronics]

@@euphoricmonk I don't have experience with the Quick 861DW at all, but from what I remember seeing it's basically an equivalent to the Atten? If so, should be fine for most everything with no preheater, just need to use the right temps and air speed :)

[@euphoricmonk]

@@WasatchElectronics Thanks, that's what I was thinking. Actually the Atten is copy of the original Quick861, thus they used 862 for the model number ; )

[@TheAnunnaki-NYC]

Bummer, I always like these GPU videos. Especially when you are able to bring them back to life. I hear and read that MSI GPU's have a lot of issues regarding thermal pads not doing their job.

[@majdinj]

It could be a stupid thought of me, but is it possible to just use a grinding pen to cut the mosfet body at the gate and drain and source then stick a new mosfet just above it to avoid adding more damage to the layers whenever you have the same scenario in the future!

[@danielsaturnino5715]

I know its not cost effective but I was hopping to see brilliant grinding tool work :)

[@tomasis7]

thanks for detailed workflow descriptions :)

[@TomsTechRepair]

And the board is toast. Donner parts now. Would assume that even if you had to grind the part down it would still not of worked. Multi layer boards are not easy to fix. Good video of a non fixable device and when to call it quits.

[@shamsalfaisal]

Damn a dead GPU now is a pain

[@SaccoBelmonte]

That was good insight, it is a shame the layers are shorting.

[@Nocturnal_Owl]

That card might still be fixable, just grind out the carbon that shorts out the layers. Carbonized area might be bigger than it seems tho.

[@user-te1le7ck6b]

Not worty his time vs reward and risk

[@wolfbrave4866]

Using FLIR again and not that camera with macro lens?

[@homelessEh]

mosfats got so hot they fuzed the multilayered traces togather .. NEAT..

[@Darren777Au]

Some you win, others you don't, still a good learning curve.

[@RipCityBassWorks]

Blame shitty manufacturers: an inline fuse would have prevented damage from being that extensive.

[@neptunian5686]

Also, why is there a ground layer right bellow a mosfet's 12v? These things must be purposefully designed with catastrophic failure points

[@davidefogagnolo]

fuse for what? these circuits already draw something around 50-100 amps, what can a fuse do

[@davidefogagnolo]

@@neptunian5686 it's called power planes and they are the standard and safest way to route multiple layer pcbs. You guys must be god's sent electronic engineers to have such high tier knowledge that board manifacturers do not have

[@neptunian5686]

​@@davidefogagnolo I don't need to be an engineer to realize a ground plane directly underneath a 12v pad is an obvious failure point. But no use debating someone who thinks fuses are useless.

[@WasatchElectronics]

@@davidefogagnolo These don't draw 50-100A. A PCI-e connector can only handle 75w, which is only about 5A (across 12v and 3.3v from the PCI-e slot). A 6 pin connector can also only handle 75W, which is 6.25A. An 8 pin can handle 150W, so 12.5A. So even if the 12v from the pci-e, the 6 pin, and the 8 pin (this is what the card in the video has) all supplied all of their power to the power stages, it would still only be 23.75A. Not to mention the rest of the board needs power too, so it's going to be under that. 10A / 20A (depending on what the power is coming from) fuses definitely help prevent components like this (and others) from putting massive holes in boards

[@supupandaway8138]

Yes finally a gpu video !

[@richardhead8264]

_Fresh baked MOSFETs, anyone?_ 🥧👨‍🍳

[@Romanitto]

I saw some youtubers was fixing layers of the board and bring thouse cards back to work.

[@ipaddsource]

Good decision making. Thanks for sharing! Kudos!

[@ashleynery8092]

you couldn't pinpont which mosfet with the flir, but wouldn't the new heat camera you have find it? re the more detail it offers? Are you just happy with old faithful and your way of working? Just curious thats all, even though the end result was a bust, just thought the new heat gun would of speeded up your diagnostic?

[@virgildeklerk]

Nice try you gave it your best. If the layers on the board are merged by the heat then it's impossible to fix so next time better.

[@ovalwingnut]

wow. What a dose of reality. And I don't watch this channel more because? Thank you.

[@StoesA]

I can believe it is cooked. Desoldering 500 degrees Celsius with hot air...

[@Oruta563]

yes please, im waiting for the review

[@v-power0687]

I love watching videos about GPUs. But why are you only working on expensive ones. I would like to see videos of cheaper or other models. Have a nice day.

[@joshrowell8375]

Wondering if the owner did a liquid metal shunt mod

[@brandonwwells5801]

Yes I love the gpu videos

[@michaelblack5011]

yeah with stupid design many liars may short any time ! , where is the fuse ? why not blow when it short ? then there will be no damage the board , amazing video

[@WegrennerX]

Is this guy a boss or not?!1

[@weerobot]

Wow Mosfet Welded itself....Must Have Been Call of Duty...lol

[@user-iq6os4ds6h]

Very good job 👏 👍 👌

[@rubelhossain8517]

Do more GPU fixes please

[@WilliamVG]

Is it possible to get away with a smaller hot air station by pre-heating the board underneath? Anyone? I've got a 858D Rework station, temp range is 212F- 932F.

[@munzirel-sheikhtech1496]

ممكن لو الكرت يشتغل من غير الموسفيت ده ممكن تاكل اللير بتعتو بالدريميل

[@ndumisodube76]

You may nt like fixing them you dont knw how many ppl get exited when they see a GPU repair video.l ask you to do more please

[@SuddenDeathSyndrome]

In a way it is useful doing these kind of videos with graphics cards. They cause alot of views and people want to see it.

[@natzjimenezjr7522]

great video. do you think they overclock the GPU?

[@antssaar863]

Watching this vid, tryed fix few to... Sadly for me .. msi 2080Ti - shorted gpu, inno 1060 - shorted gpu, 2x gf gtx560... shorted gpu.. asus mining 470...... shorted gpu.... Damn I have good luck withthis, lol

[@suryavanshib]

Awesome ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻 Atleast you have tried 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[@TheBonzai1234]

Nice repair :)

[@markissboi3583]

When the board copper layers are fried G/nite

[@Mandrag0ras]

This is why I wonder why buyers don't seem to care at all about power hungry gpus as long as they perform well. It's madness believing that such gpus are as reliable as power efficient ones. I'm referring to debates of the type "1060 vs 590" and such.

[@Druid4026]

you can see how that card has been given a lot of use by the black burn marks

[@rfr653]

good job mate.

[@totalbullion5882]

Bummer, I don't like these "Layers" so much with the boards lol.

[@gpudoctor]

Hey Alex, do you still need a GPU Technician? I am a very experienced GPU Technician!

[@tlvgrsubharaja948]

Why don't you use vacuum pen while desoldering mosfet

[@hafeez387]

oh anything is possible, just dont have all the time in the world for it is the better word

[@robertpage2023]

I would assume that those devices need much more cooling than they are designed for. Purchasers of those particular devices should know that they are going to have to set up much better added cooling in the way of extra fans possibly. YES............I know..................You'd think 3 fans already would be enough but perhaps add some Air Conditioning or even refrigeration to the device. YES! Run it IN a refrigerator! YEAH! THAT'S IT!! And knowing this, I'd think the manufacturer should either warn the customers or add in a better product warranty but, probably not as they are just wanting to make money. It amazes me that some companies shoot themselves in the foot in designing products that are going to fail early and they know it which also ends up alienating the customers.

[@Macabri_2k10]

not really, this is not a cooling issue per se. It comes down to quality of the components and how you treat your hardware, if you run a cheap power supply which can deliver "dirty" power you pop a component, if you start overclocking your components, or just the auto scaling of the nvidia cards can be enough to fry a something if the part was of questionable quality or your power delivery is noisy, in my time as I never had a component failure so far and typically i run my systems with a mild overclock for around 5 to 6 years, parts where always the latest at time of purchase

[@samgoff5289]

That is really stupid advice and could lead someone to follow this dumb idea...using AC or refrigeration would cause a lot of water and fry everything on the board you can't have lower temperature than ambient without this happening

[@westsenkovec]

@@samgoff5289 No it wouldn't

[@robertpage2023]

@@samgoff5289 Seems they don't have "satire" in your part of the world, do they......I'll tell you what............WHAT IF...........you employed a car radiator system within the mother board. You know, a system of ducts and tubes with the cooling of water and antifreeze......... OR, keep your device in your freezer, but you'd have to drill holes in there for the wires to come out. Let' see.............HMMMMMM....could just hire someone to keep blowing on it. Maybe with an ice cube in their mouth. Is that enough satire for you???? OK! Who's ready to play some GOFF!!! FORE! or FOUR! or 4!

[@imqqmi]

True, thermal design is one thing, preventing failing components from failing catastrophically is quite another. But also understand it's difficult with a device that can consume so much power on such a small surface and design with controlled failure in mind while also staying competitive, it's a tough challenge.

[@ErickBuildsStuff]

What if we start designing multilayered circuit boards which have no traces underside of high heat dissipating components?? I'm case of such failures still the circuit board leaders won't get fused..

[@euphoricmonk]

@@kikihun9726 It can be nearby, but NOT directly under a very high heating Mosfet.

[@briangirnus9498]

Love gpu videos please make more

[@Mr.Nabil.Belhaj]

They should really stop making the pcb black, it would be much easier to spot a burned component

[@euphoricmonk]

True I've seen some White cards.

[@kshipperX]

Loved the video =)

[@pvc988]

PCB scorched by shorted MOSFET is very often a fatal problem with video cards. I wonder if it could be mitigated if manufacturers used through hole MOSFETs instead. THT part, even if shorted, wouldn't dump as much heat into the board and save it from overheating. It would be the heatsink that would get most of the heat (as it is supposed to be).

[@carlosmatias474]

9 times out of 10. Gpus with memory power issues r caused by people mining gpus from a few cards I've worked on. Such a waste of a good card that a gamer could be using.

[@Sydney268]

Making money mining crypto is a waste, but playing mindless games isn't? Lol

[@ynahit3746]

It's a shame if this mosfet is fried by OC. Power connectors may also be broken due to overcurrent. For a few more FPS.

[@PapaMav]

I hope the customer was a miner...

[@benzyblenaru9602]

Every video card you save has some satisfied customer up to the roof and there are no video cards to buy today

[@Pixx_-]

Watching video card's die is heartbreaking...

[@skynetservicelaptop]

I can fix it

[@ukaszs5021]

👍

[@blaze3495]

It makes me happy that you tried to fix it even though it was a hidden Hiroshima.

[@nelchan2421]

still a good job

[@claudiaoctavia6340]

thats such a shame, it was a nice card

[@obradjojic6405]

this is funny if you devoted more time to that graphics card you would fix it

[@abhishekdev9959]

More GPU videos ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@ozekici1985]

i think you’ve short because of the cooked area.

[@daveunbranded]

Your 40/60 is someone else's 20/80

[@MultiDivebomber]

What caused such damage? Running GPU at full load for too long? Perhaps because of mining?

[@J.G.Bigminer]

customer sent in two 2080ti's so that pretty much is mining.

[@euphoricmonk]

@@J.G.Bigminer this was a 1080ti

[@J.G.Bigminer]

@@euphoricmonk oh doesn't matter. Chances of having two broken 1080tis is credible in mining

[@euphoricmonk]

@@J.G.Bigminer If it doesn't matter I'll take your phone and give you the last generation in exchange lol.

[@regisribeiro]

RIP 😞

[@alialshams1043]

nice Vedio ☮️👍

[@ozanpress]

Planned obsolescence

[@robinblackman4509]

Vacuum Pen ??