MSI Claw Compared To Steam Deck & ROG Ally

At CES 2024 MSI launched the Claw, an Intel Core Ultra based gaming handheld device and Adam was on hand to compare it against the Valve Steam Deck and Asus ROG Ally.
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[@AbysmalEnd]

Gaming handhelds are so much better than gaming laptops in my opinion. Much rather carry a steam deck with a ultra thin 15in for work than to lug around a 2000 dollar gaming laptop.

[@OraOraOra]

I agree, but keep in mind this is not the most optimal Setup for everyone. You need your Deck, a Screen and Mouse&Keyboard, saw some nice Wireless with a Touchpad. A laptop already has all of this included.

[@AbysmalEnd]

@@OraOraOra I get you. But there are days where I'm at a hotel and can just play the steam deck in bed and when I need to catch up on a little work. A Logitech mouse is just fine for the laptop.

[@haysen123]

@@OraOraOra pc handheld lovers already realize this and dont care

[@crestofhonor2349]

Different products for different purposes. Gaming laptops are still much better when it comes to power and will always be more powerful

[@Malyt538]

Exactly seriously it’s so much better for gaming

[@Techcensorshipbot]

My biggest problem with non-steam deck based devices is vendor support later. They have to work through microsoft whereas valve can just directly support their product.

[@Dedman_Tech]

And the community, too. The Valve support goes hand-in-hand with how big the Steam Deck community is online, especially on Reddit. The ROG Ally, Lenovo Legion (and potentially this MSI Claw) don't have the gravitas of the Deck community since it's got a more streamlined business-to-consumer relationship.

[@rhyzhyn]

windows without some kind of gaming or handheld mode. just can't compete with SDOLED. Hardware has competition but software has none.

[@joemama7388]

@@rhyzhyn nobara os works fine on my rog ally, as does windows with armoury crate. at the end of the i really dont care as long as i can play game

[@davidslastplace]

It’s called Windows.

[@tiromandal6399]

@@davidslastplace Shhh don't say his name!

[@mike20pr]

Gonna reserve my judgement until I see direct performance comparisons with the Ally and Legion Go

[@theo5675]

It’s intel u can judge lol

[@thepirateswirled]

Performance is not the most important or only thing for a handheld, it is portability, battery life and about the screen, you probably want to be mobile with it. While I don't think that windows is optimal for a handheld at the same time.

[@theo5675]

@@thatwasonce no it’s not

[@crestofhonor2349]

@@theo5675core ultra intel did have a massive jump in GPU performance. I’m more worried about low TDP performance

[@JuanTorres-nx1cd]

@theo5675 exactly, intel making a good portable cpu that has power and dosent burn to a crysp? I have my doubts

[@vullord666]

I love this just because it means Intel is actually competiting with AMD and bought chip manufactures and more gaming companies view PC handhelds as a viable market. I'm currently happy with my Legion Go and Steam Deck, but I'm going to love seeing what comes out in the next few years.

[@Specter187]

Thinking of changing my legion go for this, my device freezes from time to time and some apps crash alot

[@OnlyAnOpinion20]

@@Specter187 speak to Lenovo as mine isn't having any issues, you may have a bad egg

[@potatorigs2155]

Competition is only valid if they lower the prices . Doesn't seems to be the case . Those handheld are 30% too expensive because you can get a laptop with better screen and spec for the same prices .

[@makemelaughyouants]

We need new operating systems. No more windows please

[@CrackHeadDaddy]

What do you use both for?

[@hbdude155]

nice to see handhelds proliferating so much these days

[@AbysmalEnd]

Thank you Valve lol

[@hbdude155]

@@AbysmalEnd preach

[@robertlawrence9000]

@@AbysmalEnd but there were some out before Steam Deck.

[@boredindahouse4818]

They were ass lol ​@@robertlawrence9000

[@willbirkin666]

in the end valve will win cause you know damn well all these handhelds gonna install steam by the games from steam anyways 😂😂😂

[@robertlawrence9000]

Battery dropped 4% in 11 minutes of non gaming on a 1080p screen. Hmmm

[@thepirateswirled]

Nice :3, I didn't pay much attention to that. Many people are also overlooking the battery life, which is crucial for a handheld. It seems like a lot of them want at least 25 watts or more, without realizing they'll likely end up spending most of their time at home, plugged in. 😅

[@NinjaSushi2]

​@@thepirateswirleda lot of people want big bright screens with huge resolutions and fast refresh rates and don't realize that that is a huge battery drain. If you refresh your monitor at 60 HZ versus 120 HZ you're going to use half the power consumption. People that want 144 Hertz monitor are going to use twice as much power because I have to refresh the display twice as much as a normal one. Furthermore brightness is a large factor and resolution plays a small part towards battery life.

[@thepirateswirled]

I agree, and I would add that the efficiency of the SoC also plays a role, but yes ^-^. It is also a handheld, it doesn't need to have 1080p or 4k. The display still looks amazing to me though, the OLED one I mean. Compared to my LCD Switch even sharper, I'm satisfied. @@NinjaSushi2

[@blar2112]

The new intels are a downgrade on IPC and use more energy on idle, its very much the worst choice for a handheld....

[@CJTheTokay]

That’s almost 4.6 hours I find that to be pretty good 🤷‍♂️

[@gungan5822]

Valve should offer motherboard upgrades when their next Gen comes out. They made it use serviceable, just sell us a board with a more powerful processor.

[@AllenJohn]

RGB is not supposed to be selling point.

[@whealman142]

Imagine these things coming out back in 2010, we couldn’t even comprehend the power these things make in this form factor. We’d genuinely think they were powered by magic

[@SavingPrivateBob]

I still think this is magic haha

[@jimmydean358]

@@SavingPrivateBob You think this is magic lol. You should see the toys I play with in the Military. But for a US Citizen this is only the tip public don't get a fraction of what we play with lol.

[@ggbalze06]

The future of hand held gaming is so exciting

[@Razear]

It literally looks like an Ally clone but with a black shell.

[@parkerlreed]

And Intel. Doesn't seem like anything special (Other than likely slightly better battery life)

[@abdu7095]

Quite different

[@takashy87]

microSD port seems to be in a very similar spot to the ROG Ally 😅 I really hope it won't have the same SD card issues as the Ally

[@robertcastanpn288]

Think they just took Rog design which is common they most likely just got the design from a company and just like change it up 😊

[@takashy87]

@@robertcastanpn288 yea, that's why I'm worried. My ROG Ally already has had the microSD slot malfunction / die twice 😅

[@conchobar]

@Dave2D took the back cover off and it looks like the Ally internally.

[@aurelios69]

The places has nothing to do with the reason why's it breaks. It's a voltage issue that breaks the micro SD I.C and sometimes the micro SD card itself

[@robertcastanpn288]

@@takashy87 think one other thing worth mentioning asus didn’t make the back plate they Prob approve of it and the deign but most Likely a third party made it so it prob extra from that company

[@Marbeary]

The handheld gaming is getting fun there so much choices and Nintendo getting ready to release Switch 2. I am excited with the platform and prices are a big plus.

[@Stickynickky]

love seeing all these handhelds coming out! As a kid I had lots of generations of GameBoy's, Nintendo DS's, even PSP's. Right now I have the LE OLED Steam Deck and the fact that I can still enjoy all these games from previous handhelds on my current generation handheld is peak! cant wait for whats to come!

[@akapeegly6463]

Thank you for being from the very few channels with a hands on. Also the most detailed out there other than dave2d . Yall killin it!

[@rishop07]

Can't wait for the comparison, I've been waiting so long for this! Would be nice to get more competitors on board such as Dell and Acer.

[@zerotymn]

They could at least copy the Steam Deck touchpads since what you are essentially running is window. The addition of touchpads would make it easier to navigate in window with the pointer and scrolling through pages.

[@KielBasaKisser99]

I'd say the four buttons on the back like the deck has should be standard on all handhelds.

[@zerotymn]

@@KielBasaKisser99 agreed, almost everything the steam deck has done simply need to be the standard.

[@KielBasaKisser99]

@Kidbuntu Not to mention the touchpads can also make a decent alternative way to aim, along with giving you an easy way to activate gyro aim without having it be bound to the right joystick so you can switch from aiming with it to gyro easily.

[@zerotymn]

@@KielBasaKisser99 to be honest the aiming with the trackpads is not my favourite. It just felt weird for me for some reason. I mostly use the trackpads for desktop mode and web browsing because it’s better than using the joy sticks.

[@KielBasaKisser99]

@Kidbuntu Oh same for me, I use it for what you do and just activating gyro really, but it's there for aiming none the less. I feel like that could be improved.

[@lechugathedoood3595]

I recently got a steam deck oled, and i gotta say, the touchpads and the overall user experience is amazing. From a day to day perspective, I've been playing kingdom come: deliverance (steam version) and I enjoy it so much more than playing it on my PS5. The touch pads though! I think are essential for a mobile desktop environment. I actually use them instead of the right stick when i play kingdom come. Its more mouse-like and feels way more accurate than the stick does. Im stoned so hopefully this made sense!

[@SilverJoystix]

You're stoned and you typed the words "mobile desktop environment"? Don't try so hard. If you want to advertise Steam Deck, just do that.

[@MrNicoVFX]

nah hes good - it's called "desktop mode" on the Deck. Let the man be stoned and stop trying hard to be pedantic.@@SilverJoystix

[@BlobBlobkins]

I never use right stick, only track pads, Idk why you need the stick

[@NinjaSushi2]

​@silverjoystix4696 he wrote it like that because he IS stoned

[@sophieedel6324]

I got a Steam Deck and returned it. The thing is massive and heavy, I never use the touchpads, and many games do not work well on Linux.

[@axescar]

Chip competition is good! Hope MSI will add oculink port - its more simple for drivers and less overhead then tb4/usb4

[@richardhadley8214]

You could say the MSI Claw is literally tearing him apart 😅 with the amount of bandages he's rocking

[@blar2112]

MSI recent track record + intel recent track record = Imma stay far away from this device.

[@maydayfpv]

If y'all didn't stay till the end you're missing out.

[@AlbertWinsford]

competition is healthy. love to see more being made!

[@starkerss]

VRR & another USB port this would of been perfect, i’m a MSi fanboy but i’ve got an Ally at the moment

[@rbuck145]

Just can't understand what took this so long to catch on...been wanting a gaming handheld for years. Happy to see all the competition coming to market.

[@Faksnima]

Legion go 2tb from Microcenter was as low as $749. Not sure how this device is better than that.

[@MultipleInterface]

I love my Legion Go!

[@AnonymousBoss1]

The thing is, is that the Claw looks like it has BETTER cooling solution and it could perform a little better

[@KillerElitePR]

Legion go still way better and its just getting better and better with every update

[@alanserrano2411]

I agree I really like how it looks for cooling. Looks like itll even be better than the rog​@thebiggest4910

[@SilverJoystix]

Not sure why you’re so defensive and holding the Lenovo Legion Go up as the benchmark for comparison

[@abdu7095]

Meanwhile Sony: "Handheld gaming is long gone. No market for such a thing"

[@cirmothe9]

MSI: Hey, let me copy your homework. ASUS: Okay, but just change it up a bit so the teacher doesn't notice.

[@piratesmvp]

I'm getting a lot of deja vu from 20 years ago when tablet PC OEMs were implementing custom UIs to try to make up for Windows Vista and 7 not being a good tablet OS. Microsoft eventually fixed this when Windows 8 was released. My guess is that Windows 12 will feature a handheld mode you can switch out of when docked, similar to how Windows 10's tablet mode works.

[@PC-ONE]

I'm curious to see more about this product

[@yunh7281]

Almost buy ROG ally yesterday but now I would like to get MSI claw!!!

[@pintobeans994]

This is like my childhoods dream come true and now there’s so many pc gaming handhelds

[@TheEregos]

Legion Go is amazing so i doubt i will go near this, surprised that was not there for the comparison being the best of the Windows handhelds.

[@SpikeBlighty]

Great first look. Thanks, Patrick

[@Medsas]

2:20 lmao at the dude in the back doing stretches 😂

[@samuelschwager]

looks like MSI saw ASUS's homework and just changed it a little :P

[@DelleD17]

Same thoughts here... Everything is the same... Great mind from msi

[@LeonardoDias-te2gg]

I remember back in the day when Qualcomm cpus were dominating the smartphone market and Asus decided to launch the zenfone with an intel cpu. I was excited and decided to try it myself, I still regret my choice to this day. I hope intel manage to do a good job with this handhelds. I’ll keep the Deck because I like the OS more, but competition is always good

[@jjlw2378]

I dont really need a handheld PC but seeing all of these new offerings is definitely making me WANT one!

[@alexgibson7960]

I just got an ally and now I need this

[@fohhee]

Bad naming, sound like MSI "Flaw", we now know what to nickname it.

[@robertlawrence9000]

Yikes! 😂

[@videogame-techreviews]

Lol

[@blueroy1993]

My biggest problem with the ally is the battery life. Hopefully future handhelds like this last longer than an hour on demanding titles

[@Fenehan]

Don't gonna happen the philosophy of ally, legion go and others handlehelds are power pc gaming, big number is better, so unless battery technology evolve 100 years on the next days that is a impossibility.

[@mrbobo86]

The competition in this space is great

[@bes12000]

Don't trust MSI they been making crap motherboards and GPU's lately.

[@ladi-ym8fg]

"Crap motherboard" Very true!

[@waltersimmons9512]

Damn true...their mother board has driver issues

[@NinjaSushi2]

Damn. They used to be so good too! Back in 2012 they were king.

[@bbmatias22]

Facts I stay away from MSI

[@POVwithRC]

I don't trust OP, he does not know the difference between they've and they. See how painting with a broad brush is silly?

[@MGRogue]

Just to take note, the battery life on the MSI Claw did drop 1% while doing absolutely nothing on the MSI Centre screen throughout this video, so perhaps the battery life isn’t that good. You can probably expect around one hour and half of gaming, like the other two handhelds from Steam and ASUS.

[@GregLopes]

Starting at $700 and going up to $800, this thing is DOA. There’s no way anyone looks at this compared to a $550 OLED Steam Deck, and wants to buy it. The handheld marketplace is already getting fairly crowded with other well performing handhelds. No chance. Guarantee that every reviewer says that it’s over priced, even if it delivers good performance.

[@dronzrock6221]

I cant believe MSI wanted to target Battery life and went for Intel 😂

[@volcalstone]

This year intel mobile chips are more efficient. Just as much as AMD chips now. It's Intel playing catchup this gen if anything.

[@ktcool4660]

​@@volcalstonelol no 😂 Intel's graphics performance is no where near AMD performance

[@NinjaSushi2]

​Intel is crap nowadays. Hard pass if possible. Sadly, laptops that use AMD have lower specs than Intel laptops. Like Intel has a market with laptop makers where do they put the nicer features on intel only laptops. I hate that shit.

[@sophieedel6324]

The latest Intel mobile chips are very good, and the GPU performance has doubled over last gen, so yes, Intel is very competitive or even better than what AMD is offering.

[@dronzrock6221]

The fact that Intel is still using a 7nm technology itself gives a bad vibe to their processor lineup while competition had reached 3nm and still moving forward. Hence anything Intel says now has to be taken with a grain of salt. 😁

[@solanumtuberosa]

Considering x86 and x86_64 emulation on windows 11 arm has come far, Im more waiting for a gaming handheld with arm chips.

[@CraShRO]

This black Rog Ally looks good.

[@christianr.5868]

Curious to see how the battery life conpare to the steam deck OLED

[@ninjason57]

I doubt itll be as good as OLED. They claim 50% improved battery life over the Ally at 15W

[@angel925100]

Me having the rog Ally my next handheld will be the onexplayer x1 will be the one to beat with the intel 7 a 155H 10.95 inch screen at 1440p with 64gb of ram and 4tb of storage. Now this one is going to be a beast the price tag is at 2,400 with this spec’s, but no handheld is going to come close to this.

[@qp8080]

can the ram be replaceable as well like the ssd? cos it just have 16gb of ram only

[@Neikon]

What is it actually like with frame generation on the MSI device? I think that's a blessing, especially with handhelds

[@itsdeonlol]

Nice I like the design!

[@akapeegly6463]

1:16 LETS TO! IM SO GLAD THEY CARE ABOUT THE BATTERY! honestly thats the only reason why i went for the deck instead of the ally, the battery is much better Im so glad they put it in mind along with performances rather than just care about specs and leave batteries at the end of the list

[@blar2112]

Sorry, but i bet its going to be a lot worse than the Deck and worse than the ally. Those new intels have worse IPC than previous gen Intel and a lot worse than AMD, those core ultra 7 have a minimum TDP of 15w and need around 30w to perform well, add to this the resolution of the screen...

[@umkhalid3526]

2 days gonna get one

[@luisgarza8636]

I commented in a video saying i would love to see other gaming companies brands build a gaming handheld and i guess msi heard me and listen

[@Time2gojoe]

No track pads no deal.. you gave me this thing I would use it as a cutting board for my afternoon lunch

[@gatway100]

So that's why the Ace ally is the champ because it's in the middle of both of them And it has on the screen VRR

[@Madblaster6]

As a Steam Deck, GPS win 4, and Ally owner the only thing that will get me to buy this is VRR, Battery, and performance.

[@thepirateswirled]

The thing is, vrr doesn't work the best 30 fps and below, so it doesn't matter that much, on the other hand it would prolly increase the price by a lot. The Steam Deck OLED already has most of your mentioned features, other than vrr. Yes it has 15 watts, but what's the sense of a handheld if time is only spent plugged in at home, because the battery won't last long.

[@Madblaster6]

@@thepirateswirled You missed my point. I already own the listed handhelds. We just got info that the batter is going to be 53W hours and it has Thunderbolt 4 for more options for external GPUs. If it has VRR I will be buying it because most games run over 30 FPS on the ALLY already. We need more information about power consumption because as we've seen with the desktop CPUs the performance pre watt is measured differently.

[@thepirateswirled]

It probably won't last as long as the Steam Deck OLED in comparison, though. I'm not sure if you meant the OLED model, as you only mentioned the Steam Deck before. The OLED version already has a 50Wh battery, and its SoC got a shrink. I may have overlooked that your main use case is to use it at home, connected to an external GPU, which I understand. In my case, it serves a different purpose. I especially love it for its portability and visual quality simultaneously. You might also have missed that the MSI Claws' battery percentage already dropped by 4% in 11 minutes of non-gaming in this video - that doesn't look very promising. I still believe it's not worth it, having a 1080p screen on a handheld because it consumes more power, or having the SoC taking 25 watts or more. But it's okay if you have a different opinion; we all have our preferences. For me, the Steam Deck OLED is an all-around handheld that can do almost everything, with a very good screen and good at most aspects like battery life. Even though the display is 800p, it's sufficient for me. Maybe surprising for you, at home, I use an LG 4K OLED screen on my main gaming PC, but the Steam Deck OLED screen still looks great and pretty sharp to me which was actually unexpected because it looks sharper than my Switch LCD does, more than sufficient for me at least. @@Madblaster6

[@timbarlow1652]

⁠​⁠@@thepirateswirledlegitimately the only thing the sd has is battery life. And marginally. track pads are subjective, I have the ally and it works for me flawlessly navigating windows. That 800p resolution on an OLED is dumb imo, because both the ally at 1080p, and the msi will look better over all and okay? If I’m not gaming, and surfing the web, video watching etc, I’d much rather have a 1080p screen than 800p.. so saying having 1080p isn’t worth it, is kinda dumb. I’d rather have options. And not be forced to use 800p for everything. Yes the die got smaller, from 7nm to 6nm, which doesn’t really do much either.. and let’s not forget you can’t even play your entire steam library (unless you’re lucky.) and, at this point and time you can’t play any game with anti-cheat because 99% of them don’t support Linux.. is windows finicky? Yeah. But I don’t see how anyone would want to be so limited to what they can do on a hand held. And, not want more power when needed, because let’s face it, all the devices after the sd, bench mark better. And perform better, other than like super low wattage. That chip is getting old fast imo.

[@thepirateswirled]

They all have their advantages and disadvantages, Asus Ally users will spent more time plugged in, with more power though, Steam Deck users, on the other hand, will have to make more compromises in visual quality settings and resolution but being more mobile. Even though, to me, the OLED screen still looks better than a 1080p IPS panel, I have seen the other devices in person as well, like the Asus Ally and the Lenovo. And also let's not forget it, they are all handhelds, using 800p is not really a disadvantage for the Steam Deck, even if you considered to set up 800p on your 1080p screen, it will still consume more power than if it was a real 800p panel. It is also not correct to say that the shrink didn't do a lot, The update and combination of the bigger battery from 40 Wh to 50 Wh on the OLED model and the shrink of the SoC doubled the battery life in some certain circumstances, from 25% up to 50%, which is a lot. If you look it up, you will find reviews showing how much better the Steam Deck OLED performs against the competition in terms of battery life, while keeping a respectful performance. Many reviewers also said that they like the OLED panel, even if it's 800p. About the Windows thingy, you can also still install Windows on the Steam Deck as a second boot alternatively, and don't forget the well optimized SteamOS either, While Windows doesn't have any optimizations for handhelds at all, taking alot of power by background applications and big updates. in most regards, I think the Steam Deck, compared to other handhelds, is one of the least limited devices out there right now and not limited at all. The track pads are like the Mousepad on a Laptop with additional functions, they also vibrate when you do actions and they can turn into a D Pad, you feel the movement, why forego the D-pads if they are useful? They will be useful in first person shooters, or stuff where you will need more precision, or situations where we just need them.. Furthermore, the other devices you were referring to only benchmark better if they are allowed to use more power. The SD OLED model, in some cases, performs 1-3 FPS better than the Ally and the Lenovo Go at 15 watts because it has a more efficient SoC at its wattage. The Ally and the Lenovo Go need more watts to unlock their full potential but then they will be faster, which comes at the cost of their battery life. Without wanting to speak ill of any of the other devices, they all have their advantages and disadvantages, as I said. @@timbarlow1652

[@arvintrevino4622]

What I heard and from the specs of ROG Ally is that it has AI noise cancelling, Hi res or def besides certifications, built in mic and I didn't see those specs on the MSI claw. But if the one shown is just a prototype then its still in development until full retail release. The touch screen on the MSI claw is a plus like a track pad which means MMORPG games like Final Fantasy XIV online playable. I wonder how it'll work on dock mode connected to a tv and multiple BT controllers. If the case is modular does that mean we could add more back triggers if another company made extra molds? I guess we'll have to wait and see how it compares to the emulation and pc capabilities when its on retail.

[@robertjif6337]

Switch and deck really start this meta huh

[@guerillatactix3834]

Thing looks like a black ROG Ally. Main things I'm looking for in my handheld are battery life and having two USB type C ports so I can use my AR glasses and charge it at the same time. Hence why I am leaning towards legion go.

[@rogerdegulacion5040]

no touchpad to easy navigate

[@MysticalGesture]

Release date ? Holiday 2024 ?

[@davidgk9625]

i hoop the sd will not burn like the Rog ally, bcs is on the same place

[@volodymyrspyrydonov]

Probably this incredible bright OLED Steam Deck screen was intentionally dimmed in video not to give MSI and Ally bad representation, right?

[@JaymondoGB]

Really missing Gordons take on CES, hopefully next year.

[@jjtreads5472]

How does Msi get to basically copy the rog ally. The layout and placement is very similar. Almost too similar.

[@joeschmoe5009]

If this has vrr, ill buy it. Also we will have to see if asus sues for design infringement

[@ayeshaazam4471]

Isn’t the micro sd card slot location similar to the ROG Ally’s?🤔 i’m worried that since it’s close to the fans, the heat might damage the sd card🙁

[@MrPnutt916]

So…. It’s a black ROG Ally with less power, and no Armory Crate. But it does have a slightly larger battery and the exact same placement for the memory card so it should have the same issue as the Ally.

[@natswii]

Steam Deck has the track pads which opens up ability to play mouse / keyboard style games and different genres

[@TheAusherGuy]

How much ram does the claw have?

[@Zeee530]

Great analysis Adam

[@badwolf66]

Those prices are insane but it sounds like a great system.

[@johndoed4814]

No games to benchmark and compare the fps with the other 2 devices?

[@cedricjackson7521]

Out of all the game handheld, this one catches my eye

[@user-pe9gf3zd2l]

What performance on helldivers 2?

[@believei-must5092]

Bang for Buck with use of any A2 SD makes the Steam Deck a ingenious contender…❤

[@zodwraith5745]

I don't even care about handhelds and still find this entertaining. As much as it's interesting to see how much power can be packed into a system when space and thermals aren't a constraint it's also interesting to see what can be achieved in tight restraints like handhelds and ultrathin laptops. Looking forward to the review and teardown.

[@2greenify]

Same thing for me. 😊

[@Dalot7777]

Why did they put the SD card in the same spot of ROG Ally.. let's see if this card slot also fails... I was holding off the ROG ALLY Cause of this SD problem but now this might have the same issues..

[@Marta1Buck]

There are so many handheld now, I'm pretty sure we will have a "laptop" as a dock. Don't tell me that we have one already 😮

[@Hubwood]

Wait. Isn't the top version supposed to have 32GB?

[@ronaldnanoz3592]

Hey Acer where you at? waiting for a predator handheld gaming device

[@kibatechwolf]

Great another handheld pc I have to buy

[@badboy250984]

The grip shallow on the switch is understatement lol. Switch don't even have a grip (stock with no case) lol.

[@donnydarko7624]

Too bad the controls/grips aren't detachable like the Lenovo handheld. I'm interested in buying one to use to run a DAW on for live electronic music performances.

[@jako997]

damn i was close to buying the RoG ally but i may wait on this assuming it releases very soon.

[@user-fi4ln5mv9v]

Im shopping for a hand held was about to get a deck might wait now

[@oxaile4021]

Hardly worth the wait. Performance won't match the AMD devices at lower wattages. This thing will need to be plugged into a wall if you want to play for longer than an hour.

[@user-fi4ln5mv9v]

Thanks was a toss up between the deck and the ally the battery is swinging toward deck

[@ibapreppie]

Weird how there's no Legion Go comparison

[@paperclip9558]

Its kinda weird to see umpc getting bigger and bigger in size because I started to think, did it really need that big for a portable device? I own SD & rog ally, and those two are already BIG & HEAVY in my hand. Then Legion go came out and its even bigger and bulkier. This one doesnt look that extreme, but still a tad bigger than ally.

[@EposVox]

I'll take one

[@rioandri5267]

how's the battery life?

[@MrFlashpan]

Bummer! no second type-c port at the bottom, no kickstand, two simple upgrades over the deck and Ally, they missed the boat.

[@Brandonhatesmayo]

Pricey af compared to what else is on the market and not stoked about where that micro sd slot is....

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

Thunderbolt 4 can't compete with Oculink and other proprietary solutions. Intel disappointed me by not having Thunderbolt 5 integrated. Gaming Handhelds have made eGPUs viable since the iGPU is not there yet and dGPUs are not viable. It is a shame we have to wait for Arrow Lake to get 80G bandwidth for eGPUs. I keep wishing on of these Handhelds will use solid state AirJet cooling from Frore.

[@caliguy44]

That ending 😂 classic.

[@Mauwe]

I got the legion go I’m pretty happy with it 😊

[@simonleferink1248]

About sniffing handheld consoles… Why does the ROG ally smell so goddammn nice(at the top)

[@Fuccboii69]

Hmm the sd card placement is near the exhaust, might have the same prob as the ally