MSI Claw - The Worst Handheld Launch EVER? With 105c Temps Can Msi Fix It? HUGE SHOCK!!

The msi claw is a huge letdown so far. Software and drivers are not the only thing msi really needs to fix. Hardware revisions maybe needed to make this worth buying in my opionion. Normally I really try to keep things positive but MSI really should have paid more attention to the finer details that gamers think about and enjoy. I really question the advisor/advisors who took part in the making of this handheld. I have always seen handheld makers love getting community feedback and sending pre release handhelds to users to get feedback on before the final product is made. I have not seen any of the usual sources have a claw prior to release which was very sus from day one.
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[@poquepoque5851]

so nice of them to release a portable heater with some gaming functionality

[@cppctek]

Maybe they should have released it a few months ago before winter so we could have got more use out of it. msi seems to have just wanted some of that handheld money and saw americans addiction to buying up every handheld without question. They def just made a heater and called it a handheld,

[@indirectz8305]

With this and the rog ally you can heatup your entire home😂

[@85crazytechlaz]

Lmfao 🤣 🤣 👏👏👏Niceeee

[@joeoreo2498]

😂😅🤣

[@arclight7892]

I thought nothing would beat the LCD steam deck when it comes to heating (80-90 degree Celsius), I guess this one's the king.

[@longhairedcello4109]

103 degrees? Thats sounds rather cool for a- oh god you meant celsius

[@cppctek]

Lol 😂 pwnd

[@jerrelljohnson8027]

Wow, that's like lava! , but I noticed that during a teardown there is no heat sink for the ram... why in tha world!!!

[@Tubes78]

The price over here is ridiculous, 260 euro more expensive than a ROG Ally.

[@cppctek]

Yeah it’s about 200$ usd more here and that is not good for what you get. The Msi claw truly got knocked out by everything

[@Tubes78]

Thank you for this review, I'm definitely not getting one, even if it was lower priced than the Ally Z1 Extreme. The 1TB version costs 949 euro 💶 😂

[@maxdave9590]

​@@Tubes78i'll definitely buy 1 on 1 condition, if it's reduced to a 100€ brand new 😂😂😂no second hand sh!t from Ebay BS , for Collection purposes, i'll buy it at a 100€ price brand new and dump it at my shelf 🤣🤣

[@thegrapevine10]

Intel igpu's and any gpu's made by Intel suck, the only reason they've survived in gaming is because AMD Radeon and Nvidia lol. Maybe if it had thunderbolt 5, but then you'd be stuck docked with no portability.

[@VeegovonDOOM]

All I want to know is will the Claw battery fit in the Ally .

[@cppctek]

Doubt it. And the connector is very different

[@My_In-Ear_Monitor_Fetish]

maybe we can desolder the different connectors and solder the one from the Ally 😂

[@AdmiralBison]

Intel really helps advertise. "WAIT for the AMD 8000U series handheld refreshes later 2024 this year."

[@hernilsoriano4873]

Ok..i will hold on my Ally..just strapping a big power bank at the back..and a magnifying glass 😀😀nice video and honest one

[@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA]

To be honest I've tried Deck, Ally and Go. They all exhibit problems and jank and user experience issues and on that basis they don't warrant the price. The totality of this will eventually kill off the interest in these devices. They just don't have the quality or polish of a console manufacturer.

[@cppctek]

I haven’t had that experience with the Ally at all. Mines been awesome. It def takes some tinkering with all of them even the steam deck has some shortcomings. But they aren’t going to away any time soon but the claw is kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIDWeKeagrV4qtEsi=QW1fMSNZacreuXv6

[@ToGrimmToWin]

I don't know. When ally 2 drops and deck 2 drops the previous generations will price drop more and most likely flood the market and sell well.

[@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA]

I mean the Steam Deck is not fit for purpose for games coming out right now, It can't play them well or at all in reduced settings at an acceptable level. The fact Valve still wants $400+ for it is a bit of an insult now. It should be $200 Ally or Legion can do some of these games because of their double power capability. We can moan about unoptimization etc etc but that is just a reality of PC games.@@ToGrimmToWin

[@VrilyaSS]

12:35 and 32:10 this made the decision for me, ty very much, truth right there

[@cppctek]

Glad I could help. This made me love my all 100x more

[@R1D9M8B4]

This is wild. I am sorry you had to pay for this. Maybe they needed a loss for tax purposes. lol

[@OgHazeKiller562]

Lenevo legion go is the way

[@cppctek]

Llg is awesome 😎

[@bushnaqm]

why dont you have any videos for the legion go? for me its the best windows handheld out right now

[@cppctek]

I might end up picking one up. I tried to get one from Lenovo but they were out of review samples unfortunately. I could have been its biggest promoter for mods and reviews. Maybe there’s still time. I’m just worried I missed the boat on the views if I got one.

[@Tiralful]

Watched this from my Legion Go smiling at another POS MSI product.

[@cppctek]

🏆 def legion go is a winner 🥇

[@Rich-b3b]

cant even swap the ssd out with out breaking a stock 'seal'?!?! F**K THAT SH*T!!!!

[@cppctek]

And it’s underneath the heat sink and fan so you’ll have to re apply thermal paste and all that jazz but the looks of it. It’s very invasive

[@My_In-Ear_Monitor_Fetish]

Claw sucks at least for now but for difficult to replace ssd devices like the Claw, what I do it buy the highest storage capacity so that I don't need to upgrade unless I already have a 4tb SSD then I'd break warranty to replace ssd

[@cppctek]

@knowledge_from_beyond it only will accept a 2230. No room for heatsink. No room For adapter for 2280 either. It’s also under a fan

[@mravg79]

I saw a few people presenting issues with power/charging with other than attached power brick. This is not great. Regardless of the PC handheld having this option is useful, with mouse and keyboard possibly any external display to setup everything do some tinkering and than just use it as handheld.

[@cppctek]

Yeah it’s rough. Check out the video I just dropped. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIDWeKeagrV4qtEsi=QW1fMSNZacreuXv6

[@jordacheamistad3748]

Sounds like MSI made a really high tech, cpu controlled water boiler. It even has a real time 7 inch display so you know when youve hit boiling point of water.😂😂😂😂😂

[@cppctek]

lol kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIDWeKeagrV4qtEsi=QW1fMSNZacreuXv6

[@denenterpriesesorwhatsleft6386]

Man what a bummer everyone made it seem like its gonna be a better version of rog ally but here it sounds like the opposite

[@cppctek]

Exactly.

[@umkhalid3526]

Yes true bro i sold mine 😢😢😢😢😢

[@cppctek]

Where’d you buy it from ? Newegg has a 30 day return policy. I sent mine back

[@LilMedicine]

Just found your channel, thank you so much for your honesty. I have no idea why you don’t have more subs, you sure deserve them. When my claw gets here Monday I have a return label ready to go back to Newegg. I had high hopes for the claw but the performance and half baked software are a huge dealbreaker. I mostly just want a reliable ally with Hall effect joysticks and a not sketchy sd card reader with a vrr screen. Subbed to your channel! Keep up the great content man!!

[@cppctek]

Thanks for the sub! I’m glad you found my youtube. Consider checking out the discord if you want to hang around a bunch of chill folks.

[@nauyv]

i will continue to say this, but the steam deck will always come out on top. these other handhelds merely don't peak my interest to have except maybe the ROG Ally, but I would just put linux on it if i'm being completely honest.

[@cppctek]

Can’t really use Linux or steam os for everyone. The problem is your aaa games use anti cheat software and they aren’t compatible with Linux. Case and point - cod mw3 and tons of fps games will not launch or Open on steam deck nor any Linux. You’ll have to dual boot windows and that’s a pain. Been there before and that’s what pushed me to get my rog ally which I love and was a big step up from the steam deck in fps and latency

[@julioarroyo9101]

Lenovo go runs circles around the steam deck. It's actually the best system out right now. Better screen, memory, software. Lenovo doesn't require proton to play games. Try the Lenovo go before you diss it. I've had them all except the claw. And I won't be getting the claw due to the over heating issues.

[@cppctek]

@julioarroyo9101 facts ! I sent the claw back and never looked back. I now have been modding the heck out of my legion go. Check out the video on all my mods if you didn’t see it already. I’d love to see what you think. The legion go is so friggin goooooood The Wait Is Over! Lenovo Legion 2.WOAH! The Ultimate Build Guide + Everything You Need #legiongo kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqmuh4GhbZJssNE

[@lalamove8712]

i hate the design looks like emitation from philippines.. ally wins

[@cppctek]

Facts. I just uploaded another claw video…… it’s the final claw video lol

[@jurgenbussche]

you got a sub and like hope really your channel grows good job

[@cppctek]

Thank you brudduh. ❤️

[@gamers-generation]

TFW CPPC basically tells you adding a Noctua fan isn't gonna save the device.

[@cppctek]

Nope nothing unless they redo the buttons and make a total software overhaul and add more ram

[@clippedwings2121]

I just came across a Claw at my local store and held it for the first time. 2 things that I immediately noticed. First, the thumb sticks felt really good- they were tight, just the right height and felt very responsive compared to the Ally. Second, the shoulder buttons were absolutely horrible to press, not only were they mushy, but my biggest gripe was how they were actually angled. Because of this odd angle, my grip was forced into this very uncomfortable grip position in order to press the shoulder buttons properly. If I did not adjust my grip, then my fingers would be hitting the shoulder buttons at their edges, making contact with the triggers. Just the shoulder buttons alone are enough to put me off from purchasing a Claw. Sorry MSI, but i'll be sticking with my Ally for now

[@cppctek]

I know it’s a bummer but I’m also so glad I have my ally also. Much less of a bummer.

[@MrJonas7]

I tried the Ally and Legion Go, and so far the Go seems the most comfortable to hold for me, the Ally is too flat for my liking, and the joysticks too light to move around. Have you tried the Go yet?

[@cppctek]

@jondasek spot on !! The ally sticks are super light. I want to see if the claw sticks will work on the ally. I think they might. I held the legion go and I fell in love with the screen! It felt good to me but I didn’t get much time to use it. I really am Tempted to get a legion go but I need to find a used one I can afford lol. I really also have a lot of mod ideas for it tooo.

[@clippedwings2121]

@@MrJonas7 I haven’t tried the Go, but for me, it might be too big and heavy. I find the Ally’s size and weight perfect (Claw is very similar to Ally). I don’t really like the Ally’s thumb sticks tbh- they’re too loose and the height is a tad too tall for my liking

[@wakuwaku798]

Man, this stinks, and I was interested in getting that one.

[@cppctek]

:(

[@tiggerthemighty8279]

The Ally is now $400 for the low end version

[@cppctek]

Such a steal !

[@neovssmith19]

Thanks for the video I was looking for performance reviews last week and it was no videos which was a huge red flag for me. Every video was talking about the buttons and grip like wtf lol

[@cppctek]

lol yep same. If they keep anything hidden it’s usually never good lol 😂

[@MrJonas7]

Yep, exactly the same as the launch of the Core Ultra, a huge red flag, and reading between the lines the chip itself is way less efficient than Ryzen, even less efficient than 13th gen by the looks of it. Sad story indeed.

[@hansgerd8069]

Yea, seems like intel Got too lazy after the core i architecture was way ahead of amd for years…

[@zezezsleepy1918]

Arc control and MSI afterburner will make this heat.and after Msi hear this last update he do optimize lower cpu power for M center….so it’s better on heat but fps drop.NPU never do it work if that game no XeSS…

[@MobileDecay]

I'm trying to think of how the other handhelds came out to compare. They didn't have the best reviews but I believe the performance wasn't this bad at launch. I remember the complaints being about the stock front end and lack of tuning options. The performance wasn't as good and the battery still isn't amazing but this thing is just awful battery and performance. The frontend seems fine but this thing seems irredeemable. Plus nobody has faith in intel drivers. The design of this is also just a ripoff of the Ally.

[@cppctek]

All handhelds had some improvements for sure over time but you can’t fix the horrible buttons with with software

[@ErockOnTech]

Good review man. Good job. Keep it up! Don't regret buying it because it was an investment into your channel and it makes for great content. Dude that thing is ugly. It looks so bulky wow.

[@cppctek]

Thank you brudduh. Eh it’s def no where near as nice looking as the ally. Big flop but I def will farm some content out of it and help people who did buy it decide to keep it or send back and for the brave ones I’ll show some tutorials soon

[@dinellisgonzalez1824]

Power without control is stupid.

[@ChariotManGaming85]

This is the MAIN reason why I didn't consider buying the MSi Claw. No sir. I just didn't see the reason to get one.

[@cppctek]

Def wise choice

[@liviup6660]

Only ETAPRIME LIKES IT! What a 🤡 eta😂

[@cppctek]

Lolol he is way too positive about everything. He will give a wet turd 4.7/5 stars and call it serviceable

[@liviup6660]

@@cppctek i like how people are defending that 🤡. He is misleading everyone....but if you buy a device based on what he says i guess you deserve to be ripped off.😂🤣

[@betag24cn]

i expected it to be bad, but not this bad

[@cppctek]

I didn’t think it would be great but wow I was really let down

[@BManStan1991]

Great review. I honestly don't think I'd be abkw to get past the click-iness and cheap feeling controls/plastic. Throw in all the other issues and I just don't see why I'd buy this over the myriad of better choices. 🤙

[@cppctek]

Exactly ! They didn’t consider people have other choices maybe lol. 😂 it’s like they really didn’t do any market research

[@My_In-Ear_Monitor_Fetish]

I had an Ally I was gonna get the Claw but thanks for the review my suspicions were confirmed very disappointing thought it will be a big upgrade to the Ally

[@arclight7892]

Just wait for steam deck 2 or rog ally 2 whenever they come out. Lenovo legion almost has the same specs as rog ally so not that too.

[@bumsratte5457]

Thank you for the truth my man!! Ever since Steam brought out the deck there has been a great influx in handheld devices and with AMD bringing out these insane APUs gaming has really changed for me. I can enjoy all my games, triple A to emulation on the go. Glad to see intel joining the game tho. Competition is everything.

[@cppctek]

Indeed. Competition is needed. I can’t wait to see others get a good intel handheld one day though

[@kickconnection83]

Happy with my Ally. SD card slot died, but upgraded to an internal 2TB SSD and never looked back. 18 watts is the perfect balance of performance and battery life.

[@cppctek]

Sad about the sd but if you rma theyl give you a new board that should be better

[@Hydemaintenanceman]

Im pc ignent and dont have a clue what im doing setting up and troubleshooting my ally z1 extreme 😅. Im good at fixing hardware, but not troubleshooting programs and such. I don't have any idea what to ask other than, is there a way to get a walkthrough/ guide for setting up everything? My ally is using 56%+ ram on idle, 6-23fps on almost every game and it takes 10 to 20 minutes after startup to settle and not be jittery. Ltt almost got me with their vid on the claw😅.

[@cppctek]

Hey I’m happy to help. Drop by the Cppc Tek discord In the description and we’ll get you fixed up. Very laid back discord with very chill helpful people. There’s some videos I’ve made but with time a lot of them have a few changes to the guides. My KZbin shorts I recently made an update guide on how to update it though.

[@ezg8448]

Use throttlestop to help adjust the cpu and gpu load. I have the gpd win 3, and it worked for around 20% performance increase.

[@cppctek]

Ok I’ll give that a shot. I’ve used that on 10th gen intel laptops for a lil oc help

[@AyaWetts]

do you think the lower end CPU one with less cores might balance power between the CPU and GPU better and actually perform better in some cases... maybe with an undervolt and overclock or something. Maybe a way to disable extra cores that aren't needed.

[@cppctek]

Even if it did no one can forgive the mechanics of the buttons and other associated downfalls

[@darrylhouston796]

You should either have gameplay or benchmarks. Having neither is a disservice.

[@cppctek]

They’re that bad it’s embarrassing and very unpredictable. Have you seen the ally benchmarks ? If so they are better by a mile in 1% lows alone not to mention avg fps. The user experience is better as well. I had planned on doin a ton of benchmarks but as I did them I just got more and more frustrated and refuse to be a hype man or shove such a turd in anyone’s pocket so I will not do a ton of work on something that sucks this bad. I made two videos on it. I’ve given my user experience and my opinions. I really just don’t think it’s worth buying nor does anyone else

[@cppctek]

Why I'm Returning The Msi Claw ... Wait Till You See What I Bought Next! kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIDWeKeagrV4qtE

[@cppctek]

Also go watch okest gamer if you want to see benchmarks. Dips down into 18fps in driving scenes on cyberpunk. Stuttery mess

[@OledBurnInKing]

The problem with famous youtubers is that they end up being biased shills towards there favorite brands and products instead of evaluating the real thing and being objective just because they are being sponsored. I trust audiophile reviewers way more than famous youtubers because famous youtubers are an extension of the companies as be influencers instead of being objective and showing constructive criticism because they are worried about not getting the prototypes and sponsorships from popular brands. Audiophile reviewers are nit picky and critical because they are more honest than so called youtuber/influencers and the audiophile reviewers on youtube call out the brands and manufacturers on there bs since they are niche similar to wine testers and car aficionados. I'm subscribed to dms and john darko which are audiophiles since they go into details and the pros and cons of whatever products and services are being shown and talked about. They even make recommendations for products that are affordable and they know that not everyone can afford more expensive and high end products but the options are there but are done in ways based on what someone can afford when they are new to the audiophile hobby.

[@cppctek]

F a c t s ! I agree. People like LIEnus and several big guys will stay far too positive so they don’t loose sponsors. It’s a business I get it but still it’s disappointing when somethings so bad it needs to be roasted and they still spin it positive to make people wanna gamble on it. This was crazy that they didn’t even get one to the big guys though lol. I love watching smaller channels review handhelds because we do test them and point out easy stuff to improve and we’ll help the devs and the community. It’s pretty tight in the handheld space. Audiophiles are the same. I’m a car audio guy myself and I also love good audio.

[@OledBurnInKing]

​​@@cppctekThere are videos that linus can be honest, for example, he mentioned that he is a share holder for frame works laptops. I really like the laptops that frame works are selling since they use standard components and are user replaceable and easy to understand. I watch mkbhd and other famous youtubers because I'm bored or because of any form of entertainment similar to a comedian to capture the attention of the audience. I have a lil bit of more experience with headphones than I am with speakers since headphones are more affordable and easier to store because speakers need places to be stored and set up properly. Where as with headphones it's closer to a speaker like experience being worn in ear, on ear or on someones head. I used to be a bass head and was heavy into bass but now I'm more into accurate and high fidelity and I enjoy playing with audio gear. It's just that being in the audiophile world can be addicting once someone goes deep into the rabbit hole of audio similar to someone that smokes alot of cigarettes and they can't stop the habit because they are already used to it and it's very difficult to get out of. I grew up collecting stuff as a kid and I'm still collecting stuff even to this day that I started to hoard stuff lol 😂.

[@pijen]

I almost exclusively play all my games on my Ally on 720p res + AMD RSR. Looks fine for my eyeballs so far.

[@cppctek]

Some games do be loook fine in 720 but for me 1080p with fsr quality and adjust my settings nets me the sweet spot I need

[@My_In-Ear_Monitor_Fetish]

same 720p for small 7" screen is pretty crisp

[@tomoquads3975]

Why would you think msi should give you a pre production sample? Are you retro game corps 🤣

[@cppctek]

Tons and tons and tons of smaller channels with less than 3k subs historically have got handhelds prior to launch and prior to final product.

[@liviup6660]

Do you think it was right decision not to give out early review units????clearly it worked...lmao...ahahahaha😂😂😂

[@gloryholdofficial]

Seems like msi shopped around chips and intel offered them an insane deal to use their chips so they took the offer waited to launch after the intel apu launched and as of now the drivers are a mess so it performs worse than the year old z1 but as we have seen intel driver updates can double performance in games

[@cppctek]

Driver updates will come but no one can get past the buttons being terrible to play on

[@DarKCoiNxXx]

Going for Intel: Bad decision. Going for Bad Upgradibility: Bad decision. Going for MSI Claw as a consumer: Bad decision. ROG Ally or Steam Deck OLED. Easy choice today, sorry.

[@cppctek]

Facts. I really wanted to give this a full and fair chance but it’s unredeemable imo. I love what asus and valve did with the handhelds and the time and research they did before releasing them. They truly changed handheld gaming and set the bar. Msi didn’t pay attention in class lol

[@DarKCoiNxXx]

@@cppctek agreed. I don’t understand how msi came to the conclusion that a less powerful cpu and igpu with a higher price can stand a chance against other handhelds. i bought the ROG Ally, the legion go and the steam deck oled (after selling my original steam deck long time ago) and was about to buy the claw aswell. but looking at all the honest reviews, dang. I’m glad I saved a thousand euros not buying into that thing.

[@Zandercode]

Truth. Though, I have a small modification to this statement: ROG Ally, Steam Deck OLED, or Legion Go. Ally if you want a small, portable, reliable, Windows-based handheld experience. Deck OLED if you want a slightly bigger, ultra-reliable, console-like handheld experience. Go if you want a large-screen, more versatile, laptop-replacement-like experience.

[@ksrnate]

So you don't like it then 😂

[@cppctek]

lol I wanna love it but I just hate it

[@gooddempsey]

Can you verify if it is the fan profile changing to advanced on its own that is causing the device to overheat? I saw another video where the reviewer said his claw overheated and throttled and it turned out the fan profile changed to advanced so he changed it back to auto and it stopped overheating.

[@cppctek]

So trying all profiles with the stock fan profile still thermally throttled. The only way to keep it cool is a strong manual fan curve. Even after reboots the stock profiles msi set is way too low. There’s probably a reason msi avoided showing temps and including a way to monitor them. My theory is They wanted the fan profile low to hook reviewers into saying that the fan noise is great and maybe they thought no one would look at temps if they didn’t include a way to see it in the overlay lol. Conspiracy maybe yes but some huge huge oversights are at play for sure and it’s prob not int even intentional but it’s quite offensive that everyone I know who has one got the same results and the same temps no matter what unless you set manual curve high

[@graelstream2353]

I really wanted this to be good but sadly I think steam deck oled would be the way to go for me. May I ask if you can test how well it performs on dark souls and elden ring? Thank you for doing this vid, it kinda solidified my resolve now as much as I wanted the msi handheld...

[@cppctek]

Steam deck oled is a great choice but do consider the rog ally with the z1 extreme is not much more these days. I don’t own either dark souls or elden ring so I can’t say how well they play but I don’t think they wil be very smooth. The max fps is better than the steam deck but those 1% lows and stutters you’ll feel are bad. Also the button and controls on every other handheld just feel better. 10/10 I won’t recommend the claw on any terms at this current time

[@graelstream2353]

@@cppctekMSI dropped the ball on this one ngl. If they went with the 8840u then I think this would have been a solid pick. Here on the south east asia side, the claw cost around 1k usd after taxes for the 1tb variant... with that amount Im gonna go for the deck OLED which is nearer on the msrp side, the rog ally is a good buy too but I want the OLED experience and Ill try doing stream play with my 4070 ti pc :D thank you for your much needed insight on the hand held space, it really does help alot sir! keep it up!

[@namcojr]

The MSI Flaw

[@cppctek]

💀 lolololol that’s exactly right !

[@MrFlashpan]

Any mention of Intel graphics, I turn 180 degrees and run like a B*stard!

[@cppctek]

To be fair the arc desktop gpus perform really well these days in a lot of games. They do have potential for good graphics and some games with tuning even now played ok and are holding up but it’s not near as good as what amd is offering

[@MrFlashpan]

@@cppctekI bought a GPD Win 3 with Intel Iris XE graphics, even after 12 months, AAA games had graphics garble, artifacts, or lockups/crashes, Never again Intel graphics, a complete abomination. I'd like to know how many people get game bomb outs with this one, I'd certainly wouldn't rush in and purchase it, Even the price point is wrong, there's much better options available. It's a shame, competition helps to drive standards up and prices down but this device seems to be beaten in both departments.

[@liviup6660]

DISASTER 😂

[@cppctek]

Big time msi flaw

[@kewlztertc5386]

Howdy 🤠

[@cppctek]

🤠🤠🤠🤠

[@lordnggamermtpoppy3829]

#MSI

[@cppctek]

Tag um here too kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIDWeKeagrV4qtEsi=QW1fMSNZacreuXv6

[@RED--01]

I didnt get fked...I got the Legion go.. Small research told me so :D

[@cppctek]

Well I want one still but I’m just not sure if it’s too late getting one since a lot of stuffs coming this year on my radar. The legion go is insanely good too and the screen is beautiful

[@My_In-Ear_Monitor_Fetish]

I got the ayaneo slide fits in pocket and bog screen with xreal xr glasses

[@shinra358]

this was a no brainer. if the win 3 wasnt that powerful, how would this be xD

[@cppctek]

Eh we just had higher hopes coming from msi

[@SIPEROTH]

@@cppctek MSI has nothing to do with it. Intel just isn't where AMD is in at moment. AMD is of course much more capable to create an APU because they have a stronger GPU tech with more experience in graphics drivers and Ryzen at the moment is much better at getting performance without being too hot or consume too much energy that allow AMD to create a better balanced APU. You may like Intel but right now they are on the back petal and i say that as a guy who has an i5 and bought an Arc GPU. From the moment MSI chose Intel there was no way they will getting better performance than the Ally. Your i9 in your system right now is consuming much more power and getting much hotter than any top Ryzen chip.

[@cppctek]

@SIPEROTH there is more complaints than just performance. The buttons are horrible and Intel had nothing to do with that.

[@SIPEROTH]

@@cppctek Maybe but from my experience at viewing countless reviews of handhelds and controllers what is bad most of the times is very very relative. For example you said that everything is clicky. Another reviewers actually said the triggers are mushy and have no click. Is all over the place. One guy says the directional cross is horrible, other saying is just like they like it, another saying is not great but is fine etc. So for me when it comes to buttons most consumers even after watching lots of reviews have no idea how good or bad they are. We can only know by trying ourselves because each of you reviewers like something else or get annoyed or less annoyed to a different degree. Buttons seem to be very depended on personal preference. I saw people hating controller buttons i found great and loving others i thought felt horrible etc.

[@fabricewr1985]

Awesome video totally separate question different subject just wanted to get your thoughts on if you ever heard of (onex egpu) if u have what do u think of it for handhelds

[@cppctek]

I have seen it. I have seen one person on my discord who got one. You should stop by and ask there and he can prob share data. I would say if the prices are better than the asus model it’s good but just be sure your handheld has good support for egpus

[@cppctek]

Also thanks for the compliment

[@85crazytechlaz]

THANK YOUUUU 👏👏👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍😎

[@cppctek]

yee im glad to speak the truth on it, sad it wasnt good news.

[@85crazytechlaz]

@@cppctek heyyyy it is what it is right....... gotta come better next time MSI lol

[@jeff69dini]

it will go down similar to the nintendo virtual boy :P

[@cppctek]

lol likely yeah

[@MobileDecay]

"That time MSI made a handheld"

[@christycho9871]

Thanks for the in depth, honest review. Well done as always

[@cppctek]

Thank you brother ! I wanted to do a better video but the claw doesn’t deserve it lol. Not right now anyways. I’ll do more and give more polish to it but I felt the world needed to fast the salt 🧂 lol 😂

[@dylandouglas93]

You have become my go to channel for handheld information man. I love your in depth tips and completely honest outlook on things. Great job bro! This review had me cracking up wnd made me gowd i use an Ally ❤

[@cppctek]

Heck yeah thanks !! I just uploaded the final claw video but lots of new stuff coming. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIDWeKeagrV4qtEsi=QW1fMSNZacreuXv6

[@danielshaw007]

Its worse than that its hot Jim 🔥

[@cppctek]

“Let him cook” *catches on 🔥 *

[@Daddyezee]

returned mine not even 5h in and returned it. not gonna cap i didnt really read the spec and when i got home and realized it was not running Nvidia i returned that faster then a MF lol.NGL all i heard was intel 120hz VRR. the only reason why i wanted this cuz i was thinking it was going to have Nvidia which that was my doing for going into it blind. you no how it is when you have money to throw away it didnt matter when buying things my main point on buying this was to use Nvidia Broadcast. as i do use my Ally to do my livestream

[@cppctek]

Yeah it’s bad lol. I haven’t seen any Nvidia powered handhelds planned for this year or any time soon. All we’re going to get is either Intel gpu powered or amd gpu powered. The ryzen refresh chips are coming but they’ll still be using the same 780m we have now in the ally so there won’t be anymore gpu handhelds likely launch anytime soon. It does have vrr variable refresh rate so when your playing lower fps games it feels smoother they say but it doesn’t feel smooth like it should. This handheld also has the worst buttons I’ve ever seen in my life. Who did they consult on the buttons ? Fisher price ? lol. Thanks for the comment brudduh! I’ll keep an eye on something spicy that’s worth buying so stay tuned and if something pops up worth buying I’ll def make a video about it and all the thoughts I have. We gotta push these manufacturers a little to give us better stuff rather than just slapping a name on something and thinking people will buy it. Maybe last year but not this year. People are wising up and strapping the wallet down

[@LanceSuperflyCunningham]

Dude sounds so disappointed

[@cppctek]

Because we all are. Watched most every claw review and everyone’s mad because there were so many oversights that could have been avoided if msi had consulted anyone in the handheld space for opinions. They made so many questionable choices and oversights it’s unheard of for a company as large as msi to have this big of a let down. Performance wasn’t even the biggest complaint because we know drivers can improve

[@Mr4real0316]

Every review I see of this thing it's always plugged in. That tells me something right there.

[@cppctek]

The performance want much different battery or plugged in. We usually leave it plugged in on reviews for all handhelds at least I do because I as well as many want to know the best case scenario. Battery life is 2hours easy on forza and other games. Battery wasn’t the issue

[@shockster300zx]

I got a open box from Best buy for $300 for my Z1 ROG best thing ever, I love Ally

[@cppctek]

Yo heck yeah that’s an insanely good deal !! Have you seen any of my rog ally mod videos ? I got a ton of other ally stuff coming next week too.

[@My_In-Ear_Monitor_Fetish]

i too got a cheaper Z1 Extreme on sale just a couple of bucks more worth every penny software support from Asus unexpectedly pretty good

[@notvailldk4503]

True gaming they said

[@cppctek]

true gaming struggles.

[@jonathanc5625]

Maybe the tried to say “Throttle gaming”😂

[@gvii]

Yeah, I was worried it would be kind of a turd. The price point wasn't exactly impressive either. The one thing I thought it had going for it was Thunderbolt for external GPUs unlike the Ally and that GOLRAM craptastic permanent open slot called an XGU port. I only call it a permanent open slot because there doesn't appear to be anyway of making an adapter for it, and as much as I would like one of their XGU docks, no way in H**l I'm paying 2k for it. I can't help but think that Asus laid off the stupid juice for a minute and made a simpler dock with maybe an upper mid range GPU that didn't have a 4 digit price, they sell the ever-living bejesus out of them. But I'm sure that stupid juice is just too tasty for that to happen. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. I HATE that thing. I'll stop ranting now. I do adore my Ally to no end. I also picked up one of those HandheldDIY rear panels on your recommendation. I don't know how much of a difference it makes as far as cooling goes. To be honest, the temp drops I have noticed may just be due to the added thermal mass of that chonker pad they have back there. I haven't had a chance to really give it a major marathon run to see what happens over long play sessions. But it does sure look pretty. Fits every bit as good as the OEM, for sure. Love that thing. But it is a bummer they really screwed the pooch on this thing. Especially if they forgo external GPU support via Thunderbolt. Maybe if it were significantly cheaper and they really got on the BIOS/driver updates. But this isn't going to cut it with the Ally out there, even with its flaws. There's also the Deck 2 lurking somewhere down the line as well. I have a feeling this may go poof a lot sooner then they were hoping.

[@cppctek]

Agreed 100%. If they drop the price and get the performance up it maybe worth it to over look the wonky buttons but combined it has the flavor of a turd sandwich

[@ExiaQ00]

Only reason I wanted this was the Hall effects joysticks as my ally is doing stick drift in two games I play. Hopefully Msi and intel get their act together and make this an incredible machine with updates like asus did it’s been 9 months and I love my ally.

[@cppctek]

Welll the directional button, shoulder buttons and triggers are really not great on the claw. With driver and software they can’t repair that. Honestly if you want better sticks on the ally stay tuned I’ve got something cooking I’m going to attempt and I may have a for sure amazing fix for it

[@jackykwan2580]

You can actually replace the joystick if you are experienced or ask a technician to do it for you at a fee. I did destroy my 2ds xl trying to replace the joystick.

[@roderickmorales]

Do you think it may have a fair chance to compete to the excellent AMD handhelds after MSI decides to update the heck out of it, that’s if?

[@cppctek]

Performance wise there a small chance if they do a bunch of work plus intel put in work but it won’t fix how really bad those buttons feel and the fact that it’s not easy to upgrade the storage like the other handhelds. If they revise all the buttons plus that it would be a big win but that’s extremely unlikely they can get it all done without hiccups. The ally has such a better button set and triggers

[@roderickmorales]

Wow that’s sad, very valid points, MSI should’ve created a better handheld package, use more premium components, and going intel as a cpu/gpu to power this thing (sorry but AMD it’s much better here) was a terrible choice, not to mention it has no easy way for upgrading the ssd. It does look nice though but this device it’s more expensive than the amd competitors, and yet the performance it’s ludicrous, it overheats, it lags, and it also shows artifacts in some games… What was MSI thinking?!!