MSI MEG X670E ACE Motherboard Slots and Storage PCIe Lanes Overview

10. Think of this Video today as more of an Overview than Review of the MSI MEG X670E ACE Slots and Storage PCIe Resource allocations. We're going to be go over 3 things, the Motherboard, CPU and Chipset as We try to look and determine the difference in Design vs Implementation. We'll have 3 Add in Card Scenarios that We typically do because by Default, 3 Slots and 4 M.2 Drives plus the Xpander card which leaves Us 4 Add in card Scenarios. We're Answering a Subscriber Question from Joey!
Question: Does this Motherboard Support DDR5 RAS ECC? Yes! According to Bios Manual, See: ECC - Enables or disables DRAM ECC.
Note: Lane count. Does a Device use 2 Lanes or 4 Lanes. Built on vs Add in card. Depends!
Slots and Storage - Design vs Implementation
1. Motherboard
2. CPU
3. Chipset
Documentation
1. Motherboard Manual
2. AMD CPU & Chipset
3. AMD PCIe Lanes - link below
4. Motherboard Bios Manual
Generically
3 Slots
4 M.2 Connectors + 2 on Xpander-Z AIC Dual PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe Adapter
3 AIC Scenarios
1. QUAD Card
2. GPU
3. 3rd PCIe Slots Resources
4. XPander-Z AIC PCI_E2
Motherboard Manual
Contents
1. Layout - Overview of Components
2. Specifications
3. Block Diagram
4. PCIe Slots - PCI_E1
5. M.2 Connectors
6. Back Panel Connectors
7. Bios Manual - Bifurcation
QR code
1. download.msi.com/archive/mnu_...
PCI_
1. PCI_Ex Lanes Configuration
2. USB
3. SATA
A. SATA Mode
B. SATAx Hot Plug - Yes!
C. Bifurcation Screenshot
D. USB Configuration
E. Super IO Configuration
F. Integrated Graphics Configuration
G. No Thunderbolt 4 or USB4!
Q&A
1. DDR5 QVL - 3 Parts
A. DIMM Slots
B. DIMM Support
C. Kingston & G.Skill DDR5
2. Marvell 10GbE LAN
3. Joey's changes...
4. Joey's Notes and Thoughts - Love it!
Links:
1. MSI MEG X670E ACE, E-ATX, AMD Ryzen 7000 Series, AM5, 22+2+1 phase, DDR5 PCIe 5.0, 10G LAN, Wi-Fi 6E
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2. AMD Launches Ryzen 7000 Series Desktop Processors with Zen 4 Architecture- the Fastest Core in Gaming - AMD
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3. - 2 AMD Zen 4 & Socket AM5 Explained- PCIe Lanes, Chipsets, Connectivity - TechPowerUp}
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4. AMD Socket AM5 Chipset - AMD
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5. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X - AMD
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7. Gigabyte MC13-LE1 and MC13-LE0 for AMD Ryzen 7000 in Servers
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10. NVIDIA Omniverse View Requirements
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11. Omniverse Create for Accelerated 3D World Building - Nvidia
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12. PCMag - It Looks Like PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSDs Require Bigger M.2 Slots
www.pcmag.com/news/it-looks-l...
13. Tom's Hardware - Corsair Teases First PCIe 5.0 SSD With 10,000MB/s of Bandwidth
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[@bobwilson2034]

I have scanned the internet and the information your putting out is very hard to find. No one else is explaining these things like you are. "Subscribed"

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi bob wilson, I'm honored! As You have Pointed out, these Details matter very much! How else are We going to know what works and what We can connect if We don't know PCIe Lane Resource allocations! Seems like a fair Question! To reiterate, counting out PCIe Lanes is more difficult since that is a more obscure and generalized allocation of references to Total Lanes vs Chipset Lanes. And whether a Device is using 2 Lanes or 4 Lanes. The more We do this, the more curious We become. As an observation, this may be Part of the reason AMD has had Bandwidth issues with USB Ports. Shared vs Dedicated Resources even on USB Ports. Burst mode vs Throughput. We've seen weird liberties with Resource allocations just for Connectivity even on SATA Ports with 2 SATA Ports per Chipset Lane on an ASMedia Chipset per ASMedia Specs! On ASRock!

[@cybermuse6917]

Thanks for putting in the work breaking apart the chipsets and lane allocations. It is nigh impossible to find the relevant documentation for each motherboard! Definitely the hero we need haha! Keep it up and hope the channel grows

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi CyberMuse, Welcome! I'm honored! Lots of Vendor obfuscation! We dig through every Motherboard when asked about the what, why and how of PCIe Resources. Lanes seem to be Greek to most Viewers when asking about installing a Quad card! Appreciate Your Comments and Support! Us too! I love my Subscribers! Now over 8,000! And over 1 Million Views! Amazing!

[@cybermuse6917]

@@BuildOrBuy Can I verify whether using a current 4.0x16 GPU in a pcie 5.0x8 bifurcated pcie slot will bottleneck the performance of the GPU?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@cybermuse6917, You'll be fine in that Configuration! Success on Your Build!

[@roscoecoe3504]

Just came across your channel. I have to say I'm impressed how you explain stuff. I feel I can learn from your explanations. Good Job!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Roscoe, Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@RavageSoul69]

You deserve more views man, great content, keep up the good work🫡

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi RavageSoul, Welcome! Thank You! Excellent! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@Mac_Daffy]

As usual amazingly well researched and presented information. Thank you!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello MacDaffy, Welcome! Thank You very much! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@hirdominator]

I have watched this video and the one for the x570s ACE from you and you put out more info than MSI ever will. I don't get a lot of sleep so it took me a while to realize that I can in fact use my xpander gen 4 card on my x570s ACE by setting the pcie slots in the bios to x8 + x4 + x4. Thanks for all the helpful information.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@hirdominator, Welcome. Crazy, right. Thank You. At least MSI has a Motherboard Block Diagram. You'll see 3 Drives in that configuration. Better than no drives. We need more PCIe Resources on Consumer Desktop Motherboards.

[@gregcampbell4538]

An X-cellent playlist. Thanks!!!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Greg, Welcome. Thank You for Your Comment.

[@daswizard5861]

Y'all are the most professional tech reviewers on KZbin

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello DasWizard, Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments!

[@kevinduder7237]

you're the best! thnx

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Kevin duder, Thank You! Much Appreciated! Success with Your Build! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!

[@ViciousXUSMC]

Best tech talk I have seen in a long time, you know your stuff. Good watch! I am currently stuck deciding between the MEG ACE, ROG X670E-E Gaming, and the ProArt X670-E Creator. Video Editing, Photo Editing, Gaming, Work From Home, so basically needs to do a bit of everything. I would appreciate in a brand new PC build to have USB 4, and of the three only the Creator has that. Planning on 2x 4TB 990 Pro SSD and probably test drive one of the new PCIe 5 SSD's in 2TB capacity and use that for my OS. 10GB NIC might let me finally stop using my 10gb Fiber Optic NIC using up a PCI slot, back in the day never mattered, these days hard to use a PCI slot without taking away from something else. Lots of IO for all my gadgets and tools that I have on my computer (Use Behringer X18 for my Interface, Capture Cards, Card Reader, Webcam, Midi Controller, Etc) People saying the Creator may not overclock and stuff as good as the gaming mobos but I do not see why it wouldn't, and when your already using a RTX 4090 and a 7950X3D I do not think overclocking is really beneficial outside of the hobby of it. I wonder which of the 3 motherboards you think is best and why? P.S. in each gen of PCI Express usually bandwidth doubles so if a GPU was made for x16 PCI 3, it was just fine in x8 PCI 4. Is everything still the same now with PCIe 5 and a RTX 4090 will be just fine in a x8 slot should I decide to populate both PCIe 5 slots? I ask so I know if I get the ACE if I will use that M2 NVME breakout card they include to run my SSD's and allow the 4090 to run on x8, or just put the SSD behind the chipset and keep the 4090 at x16. I read something that said since its a PCIe 4 card it can only use half the PCIe 5 interface and I wanted to make sure that didn't translate into an x8 slot only being x4 for the GPU.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi ViciousXUSMC, Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! Right Chipset, for a Consumer Desktop Motherboard. Based on PCIe Resources, You need either a HEDT or Workstation if You can wait a bit longer. For Processing Power for Rendering, You're at 16 CPU Cores. If USB4 is required, that's a done deal. Just remember, that's 4 PCIe Lanes dedicated. Which means something else is doing without. ASUS has decided not to provide a Motherboard Block Diagram leaving Us to count out PCIe Lanes. As for the PCIe Lane count vs Speed of Lanes, a chain is only as strong as the weakest link. Meaning? Your GPU is PCIe 4.0. The GPU is no longer driving the Bus. And has not since PCIe 3.0. Since We have a finite amount of PCIe Lanes, there's only so many to go around. If You take PCIe Lanes away from Your PCIe 4.0 GPU, how dies that affect Your Performance? You'll have to Test and Verify. Just know what You're dealing with! To reiterate, Lane count is relevant for backward compatibility. Only the M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive takes advantage of PCIe 5.0. To reiterate, Your GPU sharing Lanes will be X8 and not X4. BTW: If You served, Thank You for Your Service!

[@johntiles]

nice content bro

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Anthony Wesson, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! PCIe Resource allocation Details matter with Slots and Storage! Consumer Desktop Motherboards do not have enough Resources!

[@pendamoniumpaladin1798]

I have this board and in the process of building it out and waiting on the case. Thanks for mentioning using the M.2 expander on PCI3, so it maintains the x16 on the GPU. I see it in the specs now, but great you pointed that out. I'm not using the expander card yet, but down the road, I want to raid it...

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Pendamonium Paladin, Welcome! This will give You time to run the smoke Test and make certain everything is copacetic. The only thing difficult to do is adding a Quad card since that would require Your only X16 Slot. Only mentioning this since You mentioned RAID. Most Viewers want 4 Drives in RAID even though 2 are adequate for RAID 0. This is a well laid out Motherboard. Hope that helps! Success on Your Build! BTW: Which Case will You be using?

[@pendamoniumpaladin1798]

@@BuildOrBuy Waiting on a Cooler Master HAF 700. Ordered on Monday and it still hasn't shipped. As for the Raid, it's down the road and I would likely only use 2...

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@pendamoniumpaladin1798, Nice big Case. Accommodates XL-ATX Motherboard. You might have to cancel and reorder. We've had that happen before. As if the Order is stuck in limbo! Two M.2 in RAID. Got it! Thanks for Sharing!

[@pendamoniumpaladin1798]

@@BuildOrBuy That might not be a bad idea, it's not on backorder or out of stock, so it should have shipped. I have the CPU, RAM and M.2 mounted, but nowhere to put it lol. Thanks again!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@pendamoniumpaladin1798, Absolutely! What a hassle! Experience is the best teacher! Just like putting a Camera on whatever You've Ordered to Document Receiving what You've Ordered is correct. Crazy getting anything delivered right now. Sourcing and Supply chain are still a mess!

[@AHOY_MATEY]

I have the x570 ace max. Only watching this to see if they did anything to improve the lanes.. Also cause I reckon your videos are ther best.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Gilligoose, Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! An additional 4 CPU Lanes for an M.2 NVMe PCIe Drive; PCIe 5.0 and DDR5. Still a 16 Core CPU and still 128GBs of Dual Channel RAM. Not enough compelling evidence to justify the sticker price. New CPU, New Chipset but more like Lipstick on a Pig on a Consumer Desktop Motherboard. Now doing something on a HEDT, We're all ears! Unless You're in a place where You need to Upgrade, ok. If You can wait. Wait! The Workstation is still the best investment if You're Upgrading and need more CPU Lanes. From 28 to 128! That's motivating! With all of that said, so far MSI has made hard, smart choices on this Motherboard compared to the other 3 We've looked at. The ASUS ProArt X670E-Creator WiFi was the most disappointing so far. Amazing how alike yet how different each and every one of these Motherboards can be! Fascinating! BTW: Did You get a Tuning Controller with Your Motherboard? All We read under Spec Details was same, Tuning Controller connector on Motherboard. Curious, after asking then checking out Your Specs, I can see why You're asking. Still, unless You need the Speed or want to tinker, hard to justify for Rendering. Joey is working on 3 CPUs while he works to set or break Overclocking Records! Each, although Spec wise are the same, each is Performing differently according to what He's trying to achieve! Interesting Project! We're focused on Content Creation Rendering!

[@kevinduder7237]

Stud! Nice1ron!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Kevin duder, Welcome! Thanks, I think!

[@bobwilson2034]

If anyone is interested, I have found that some of the MSI boards have the rear panel USB io ports labeled (CPU) and (Chipset) Very nice, with they all did that.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi bob wilson, Very much so! Outstanding! You're right! Good eye! On Motherboard Manual under, Back Panel Connectors! Glad You saw that! Thanks for Sharing! Agreed! Now if MSI would just provide a Block Diagram!

[@J-Dads]

Solid video, very informative. I’d love to know where you got the diagram detailing the resource allocation of PCIE lanes, CPU & chipset.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello MajorMadMal, Welcome! Excellent Question! For MSI, hidden in the back of their Motherboard PDF Manual! Page 340 or thereabouts. Those Block Diagrams should be highlighted Front and center! Vendor Obfuscation! Hope that helps!

[@samdeur]

i really like this board. contemplating this or the “ASRock X670E Steel Legend” that's €421 cheaper.. that's more then the Steel Legend.. so need to think hard and long about it.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi TuxKey, Welcome! Apply the same Formula. Look at those crucial PCIe Lanes for CPU and Chipset. See which best fits Your needs based on Your Prioritization of PCIe Resources. Let Us know which way You go! Hope that helps!

[@DirkPeki]

Hi, unfortunately I can not finde any documentation if the m.2 Xpander Card can be used in the PCI_E3 slot when using only one ssd on the card. Would be great to know, cause I don't want to have PCI_E1 at x8. Also the cooling of the VGA would be improved I guess when there is no card in PCI_E2. Cheers Dirk

[@generalgrevous1984]

Wow, now this is a proper overview! Thanks! One question though, which one of the 3 Type-C ports would you use for VR?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi General Grevous, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Excellent Question! A good example of changing one thing changes everything! On that priority, on the ASM3241 Chipset 20Gbps USB-C out the I/O Panel for CPU PCIe Lanes and using a Seperate Chipset. That should eliminate any Latency or Throughput issues. Glad You Asked! Hope that helps! We have a history with Latency and Throughput issues. As always, Test and Verify!

[@generalgrevous1984]

@@BuildOrBuy Thanks. Greatly appreciate you taking the time to respond. Glad I stumbled on your site and just happened to buy an ACE. 🙂👍

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@generalgrevous1984, Glad to help! Excellent choice for X670E Motherboards! Success on Your Build! Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!

[@generalgrevous1984]

@@BuildOrBuy 🙂👍

[@bobwilson2034]

The MSI x670e Carbon WiFi allows you to run 2x 5.0 nmve and 4x 10Gb/s USB's from CPU lanes. Could also add a SATA SSD from the chipset and not be bottle necking anything. At least that's what it looks like from the block diagram and the manual info. Will wait to see what the expert says later.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi bob wilson, Close. Take another look. According to the Back Panel Connectors Labeling that looks like only 2 - 10Gbps USB 3.0 Ports (Item 12) to CPU Lanes. Those 4 in a Column (Item 4) Top Down are through the X670E Chipset Lanes. According to the Block Diagram for Comparison, to reiterate, that looks like 2 USB 3 Ports from CPU which Confirms the Block Diagram to Back Panel Connectors. Item 3: (2) USB 2.0 Type-A ports (From X670 chipset) Item 4: (4) USB 3.2 Gen 2 10Gbps Type-A ports (From X670 chipset) Item 11: (1) USB 3.2 Gen 2 10Gbps Type-C port (From CPU) ∙ DisplayPort Alt Mode Item 12: (2) USB 3.2 Gen 2 10Gbps Type-A ports (From CPU) Item 13: (1) USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 20Gbps Type-C port (From X670 chipset) Was not able to respond sooner. Could not access the Motherboard Manual. And working on next Video! Site must have been Updating. MSI Does the best at Labeling on Back Panel I/O Connectors of anyone! And they have a Block Diagram! To reiterate, this Motherboard is on Our List! We'll cover Your Comment in that Video Response! Next Up, ASRock X670E! ASRock X670E Taichi Slots and Storage Overview of PCIe Lanes for Content Creation Rendering kzbin.info/www/bejne/bISrf4hmnpKhaK8

[@modblender7535]

I'm thinking of picking up this motherboard, and my main uses are gaming and level design work in the Unreal editor. I've seen a lot of people having issue with the onboard Marvell LAN, that it often just won't work. But because everything else on the motherboard is what I'm looking for, I thought I'd run a separate NIC card just to be safe. If I have my video card in the PCI_E1 slot, would adding a NIC card to the PCI_E3 cause the video card in PCI_E1 to drop from 16? My understanding from the manual and this video is that it would NOT drop it? But if I ran the NIC card in PCI_E2, while the video card was in PCI_E1, THEN it would drop the video card down to 8? Is that correct? I'd also be running 2 m.2's and a big sata drive from the onboard.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello Mod Blender, Welcome! Apparently something wrong with the Silicone. Crazy right. ASUS had a similar problem recently. QC seems to be lacking. You are correct. Easy to Verify by looking at the MSI Motherboard Block Diagram. Sounds like a solid Build, other than the Marvell NIC. Hope that helps!

[@baccaloo9222]

10/10 for these in-depth videos. Subscribed!! I’ve watched this video several times and just wanted to clarify before I pull the trigger on this mobo…I do Adobe content creation, high-end DAW recording, and stock trading on five 4k 60 monitors. If I understand correctly, with a 7950x, I can run 1x 5.0 NVMe for OS, 2x 4.0 NVMe for scratch and project files, an RTX 4090 on PCIe 5.0 x16 and get four monitors, a Dante PCIe card for audio in the x4 PCIe slot, and finally, run the fifth monitor through the display adapted USB-C port. Does that sound right or have I misunderstood my total number of shared lanes? Finally, would there be any benefit to running two RTX 4090’s which use PCIe 4.0 over two 5.0 PCIe x8 slots? Really appreciate any insight anyone can offer! Cheers!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi baccaloo, Welcome! I'm honored! No NVLink, No Memory Pooling. Therefor, better to utilize 1 GPU. Based on the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula which states: 1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM 2. CPU Core Count = VRAM As a starting point. Hence 16 CPU Cores = 64GBs RAM and 16GBs VRAM. You will have 24GBs VRAM! Keep it Simple and Make it Work! Hope that helps! Appreciate Your Comments! Thank You for Subscribing!

[@supergooglelee]

Thank you! Is this and Godlike the only current AM5 boards that would support more than two nvme SSDs without turning a PCI-Ex16 graphics card into x8? I am going to buy the 7950x3D at launch to go with my RTX4090, but also want to make sure it can last one more generation without sacrificing GPU performance when PCI-E 5.0 display cards come out.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi supergooglelee, Welcome! Great Question! Appreciate Your Comments! That's the main reason for this Series of Videos! Have You looked at ASUS ROG Crosshair Z670E Extreme? We have a Video on that Motherboard! One to CPU and One through Chipset based on PCIe Lane count. We need a Block Diagram on every one of these Motherboards! Fascinating choices made for Us! Not choices We would have made for Ourselves! We need more PCIe Resources!

[@calibrastorm]

Hi Gill, Your channel is a pure gem, with all these details.Subscribed! I'd really appreciate if you could advise me on the following: Do you see any bottleneck in terms of PCI lane suage/availability on this board to host 3 pcs of RTX3090s? I'm planning to build a multi GPU workstation for 3D content creation and rendering purposes. CPU: Ryzen 7950X Any bottleneck in terms of the CPU feeding the 3 RTX cards? Many thanks in advance and keep up the good work!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi calibrastorm, Welcome! I'm honored. Appreciate Your Comments! For 3 GPUs, You want a HEDT. A Consumer Desktop Motherboard does not have enough PCIe Lanes. If You stay with a Consumer Desktop Motherboard, 1 GPU x8; 2nd GPU X8, both using CPU PCIe Lanes. And 3rd GPU will be X4 using Chipset PCIe Lanes. Not ideal for 3, X16 GPUs. But doable.

[@calibrastorm]

@@BuildOrBuy Hi Gill, Thank you for your valuable advice, I really appreciate it! I'll go for a HEDT then.

[@volatile2005]

quick question is it possible to run a rx 7900 xtx in the first slot which uses 16 pcie lanes, and a second gpu the 4060 uses 8 pcie lanes in the 2nd slot. Is it possible to run two gpu's with their full bandwidth that being the rx 7900 xtx and RTX 4060 in that x670e ACE MSI motherboard ?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Volatile, Welcome. Interesting question. Has that worked on a previous Motherboard? You'd have to ask MSI for that specific configuration. A lot of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards will not work with 2 GPUs. Some do. Some don't. Best way to find out is to test and verify.

[@DidierGras]

TX a lot. Have you compared it to the MSI Z790 ACE? I am trying to choose between these 2 !

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Didier Gras, Welcome! Appreciate Your Comments! Great Question! We have not. Why? After Our Overview on the ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming WiFi We realized a problem with the Z790-E Chipset based on Technologies We cover and are asked about. What might that be? Bios Bifurcation. The Z790-E Chipset does not support Full Bios Bifurcation whereas the X670E does! Bifurcation is the Ability to Fork or Split CPU PCIe Lanes from X16 to X4X4X4X4 to add a X16 Quad M.2 NVMe PCIe Add in Card. We cover those in great detail! Hope that helps!

[@Frizzl.]

I have this board together with RTX 4080 installed on PCI_E1. I figured out that PCI_E2 cannot be used for Xpander because of the GPU width. Got the recommendation from MSI Europe to install Xpander in PCIE_E1 and GPU in PCI_E2. If I would to this, PCI_E3 cannot be used because of the GPU width Does MSI recommendation work? How Do I have to set then PCI_E1 Lanes Configuration to get Xpander with 2 NVMe working. Like your explanations. There is no one like you in all of Europe 1:00:49

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Frizzl, Welcome and Congrats on Your new System! Appreciate Your Comments! I'm honored! An interesting Situation. Yes it will work. Using both Slots, PCI_E1 and PCI_E2 simultaneously means they each have Shared PCIe Resources. Therfore, each will be utilizing 8 CPU PCIe 5.0 Lanes. Whichever of the 2 Slots You choose for the Xpander-Z Add in Card, that Slot has to be Bifurcated in the Bios. Bifurcation means to fork or split. In this situation, Splitting 16 CPU PCIe Lanes to be Shared equally between 2 slots hence 8 CPU PCIe Lanes per Slot. This Motherboard PDF Manual does not indicate the proper Bifurcation menu. However, in Your Bios, look for the PCIe Slot settings. Pick the Slot with Xpander-Z Add in card and change X16 or X8 to X4+X4. Remember: Each M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive requires 4 PCIe Lanes. That's the 1st Step! Hope that helps!

[@bobwilson2034]

Hi and thanks for your work. Do you know where I can find a block diagram for the ASUS ROG Strix x670E-A board? I really need to know what devices I can run at the same time through the PCIe lanes available. I have the AMD x670e block diagram but need to know how ASUS has implemented the available lanes. Thx.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi bob wilson,, Welcome! Great Question! That Motherboard is on Our List to Answer Questions about Slots and Storage PCIe Resources. As You know, NO Block Diagram on that Motherboard in the Motherboard Manual. Obfuscation! Therefor, makes Us have to work a little harder to figure everything out. The usable CPU PCIe Lanes are an easy count. The useable Chipset PCIe Lanes should also be straightforward. What are You trying to figure out?

[@bobwilson2034]

@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the reply. Great to hear it is on your radar. I have no idea how to distinguish between the CPU and Chip Set USB ports. The AMD block diagram shows 4x 10Gb USB lanes ties to the CPU.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@bobwilson2034, Absolutely! We're all about Answering Subscribers Questions! ASUS is not doing so good with providing those Details! No Block Diagrams on their X670E Motherboards from what We've seen! What We know to be true... All of those USB Ports out of the CPU are using 4 CPU PCIe Lanes. A combination of USB 2.0 if so implemened, USB 3 and USB-C 10Gbps. Other USB Ports out the Back I/O Panel would be On 1st Chipset based on location as others have implemented. Counting Lanes... PCIe Lanes on Back Panel I/O Ports 1. 20Gbps USB-C 2X2 - 1st Chipset, 4 Lanes 2. 10Gbps USB-C - CPU and 1st Chipset, Expect Top Down, Left to Right 3. 1 USB 2.0 ??? CPU or Chipset or both 4. 5Gbps Chipset Does that help? We don't know those Specifics without a Block Diagram. Even Testing to Verify would not yield sufficient Data since We can only Test 1 connection at a time unless petforming a Throughput Test from 1 USB Port through to another. The key to sorting is looking at the Back Panel I/O Ports for an analysis based on CPU Lanes as defined by AMD.

[@josesyu0]

Hi! Thank you for putting out such an informative video on this motherboard. Since storage is particularly important to me, I am wondering what is the theoretical maximum number of PCIE 5.0 NVME SSD drives this motherboard can support. Assuming that I will be using the integrated video, and the 20Gbps Type-C is not important to me, will I be able to install 6 of these drives? Here is the configuration I am thinking about: PCI_E1 Slot - Xpander card with 2 SSDs PCI_E2 Slot - Xpander card or some sort of gen 5 expansion card with 2 SSDs PCI_E3 Slot - gen 5 PCI NVME adapter with 1 SSD M2_1 - 1 SSD installed Do you think this will work? Will there be enough lanes/bandwidth? Do you think one would be able to Raid the drives on each respective card? Thank you for your help in advance.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Jose Yu, Welcome! Excellent Question! Works in Theory! However, that depends upon several factors! 1. Full Bios Bifurcation of Primary Slot. In Bios: PCI_Ex Lanes Configuration for Slots 1 & 2. The Manual is Specific about which Slot to use for M.2 Xpander-Z Gen 5 Dual card into the PCI_E2 slot. 2. If doable then getting Your hands on another M.2 Xpander-Z Gen 5 Dual card. 3. A Single PCIe 5.0 AIC - Doubtful. Great idea, on paper! There are enough PCIe Lanes but full Bios Bifurcation does not always work out the way We need! Yes, You could RAID them as described. Hope that helps!

[@josesyu0]

@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the response. I think it will require some experimentation. Will build the system over the holidays and then see where we go from there. Thanks again!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@josesyu0 Absolutely! Yes, Slot 1 supports full Bios Bifurcation! Now to get Your hands on a 2nd MSI M.2 Xpander-Z Gen 5 Dual card! As for a Single Drive card, ASUS! Both of those AICs are going to come from a package. Neither will be sold separately! Success on Your Build! Definitely keep Us Posted on Your Progress! An easy Project with PCIe 4.0. PCIe 5.0 is a different animal!

[@aryanak1989]

Hi, thanks a lot for these explanations, I’ve watched this video thrice already before buying this motherboard. Now that I have, I was hoping you could help me with this big problem that I have. I put the PC together, but the time it takes for the pc to boot is very very long, in excess of 2 minutes, first I thought it was the memory training, but now after almost a week, I can’t stop not noticing how weird it is that the boot time is so long. I have an SN850X for the OS drive, 7900x and 2 6400 GSkill memory sticks which I tried with different speeds of 4800,6000,6200 and 6400; non of them had any impact on boot time. I must say the boot time varies but it’s always more than a minute and half, and sometimes maybe 3 minutes long What’s the problem here? Other than mouse and keyboard I don’t have anything else connected to it

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi aryan ak, Welcome! Thank You for noticing! Appreciate Your Comments! Slow Boot, Great Question! 1. Is Your Bios current? 2. In Bios settings, see: Memory Context Restore, set to Disabled. Disabling that feature allows full memory training to occur. 3. Under CPU, Disable SVM - CPU Virtualization. Hope that helps!

[@ulfwiden2790]

Hi, I have just found and subscribed to your channel. Absolutely love the content and your knowledge. Don't know if it's ok to ask a question. I have for 3 month looked for a content creation pc-build. I'm using Adobe Photoshop, Lightroom, Premiere Pro and Audition. Most of my files are on a Synology NAS with 10Gbe card. I also have an external Lacie 2big dock in raid 0 for some workfiles with TB3 connection. I want a balanced build with 10Gbe network. LR's database will benefit with as fast disk as possible. Maybe NVMe in RAID or?? A NVMe scratch-disk would also be good for Adobe's apps. Today I use an old Asus X99-A mobo with 7th gen i7-5820K 6 core proc and a Quadro M4000 card 8Gb mem, but want to upgrade. BTW, It was a pain to get ASUS TB3 card working on the mobo. I was looking on ASUS Z690 ProArt, but after seeing your videos I'm on my fence on that. Maybe a MSI-card instead. If I understand it right you are talking warmly of MSI WS WRX80? Which processor and graphic card would be balanced? I can live without Thunderbolt if that's not an option. Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Many thanks from Sweden

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Ulf, Welcome Sweden! Absolutely ok to ask Questions! We Focus on purpose Built Computers for Content Creation Rendering and Answering Subscribers Questions! We can look at this and address Your needs in several ways. Afterwards, We will probably follow-up with a Video Response to help as many Subscribers as possible but You need answers right now! For Rendering, We use and Recommend the Adobe After Effects Multi Frame Rendering CPU Optimization Formula. 1. CPU Cores x 4 = RAM 2. CPU Core Count = VRAM We have a Seperate video about that Formula! X99 Chipset, You have definitely received value in longevity! Time for a major overhaul! The Question is a matter of using either a Consumer Desktop Motherboard or a Workstation. 16 CPU Cores or more. 28 CPU Lanes or more. 128GBs RAM or more. Dual-channel RAM or Quad Channel RAM (HEDT) or 8 Channel RAM, Workstation! Anyone selling Computers wants You to buy again! Sooner the better! But if that option does not meet Your needs or expectations, then a waste of Resources. Our goal is to educate about the technology so You know Your Options. The Adobe Rendering Formula goes a long way in making that an easy observation based on Specs. And focused on 3 numbers for the objective of Rendering. Simple and direct. Based on Resources We advise the WRX80 Workstation Threadripper Pro Platform is the best long-term value Solution for Content Creation Rendering! The technology as You've Outlined... If Thunderbolt is required, yes PITA but doable, Two options. 1. Thunderbolt 3, Gigabyte 1st WRX80 2. Thunderbolt 4, ASRock WRX80 Creator The MSI WRX80 does not support Thunderbolt according to their current documentation. If Thunderbolt were out of the mix, We'd recommend ASUS. They outsell every other Motherboard Manufacturer 2 to 1. You can start small and grow by adding or upgrading. Getting on the Platform is Our Goal for Your Success! As You know, anything Adobe, will take all the Resources You can throw at it! Which CPU? 32 Core 5975WX, Threadripper Pro. Which GPU? Consumer or Professional? AMD or NVIDIA? Do You need CUDA Cores? Are You working with NVIDIA Omniverse? Details matter! Change one thing can change everything!

[@ulfwiden2790]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you so much Gill for this outstanding response. I'm in the process of looking on all your videos. So much to learn from them and I need some education :). My old computer have served me well for 6 year. Most of the time I'm using Photoshop and the file sizes are between 200Mb and 1Gb (16-bit tiff). From time to time I receive Out of memory from my Quadro card and need to restart PS. The reason why I choose Quadro-card was that I wanted 10-bits color output to my Eizo monitor. I have read somewhere that Nvidia RTX-card can do the same with Nvidia Studio driver. I'm now just a retired enthusiast and I think it's important to choose a Platform that will have a long-term value. 10Gbe network is required. That would be an upgrade since I recently bought a Synology NAS with 10Gbe card. I don't use Nvidia Omniverse, but Cuda cores and OpenCL are used. I will look at 2 options. One with WRX80 and one more consumer grade platform. Thanks again for your kind response.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@ulfwiden2790, Absolutely! Lots to absorb! If a Consumer Desktop Motherboard fits Your needs, of the recent X670E Motherboards We've been asked about, those being suitable. So far the MSI MEG X670E ACE but alas no Thunderbolt! Differences in Shared, limited Resources vs Dedicated PCIe Resources! When You have a Question please ask! After We get through Our current List, We may swing back through with a Video Response to Your Question! This will give You time to think!

[@BDS369]

Hi Gill! Just discovered your channel - great videos. I am not a content creator - at least not yet. I am considering this board against the ROG Crosshair X670E Hero and the ASRock X670E Taichiboards. I am not sure that I would utilize USB 4.0 (hence why I am considering this board, plus also like it has 10gbe), but I do know that I will utilize Gen 5 M.2 and a GPU (RTX 4090) for gaming. Between these three boards, do you have one that you'd prefer over the others?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi BDS369, Welcome! I'm honored! Great Question! Absolutely! Based on the Price Performance Quotient, this MSI X670E Motherboard has the cleanest and simplest implementation of the X670E Chipset by leaving out Thunderbolt / USB4! None of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards should cost over $500.00! Anything over that amount is approaching a HEDT or right now a Workstation! We should always explore Our Options to the fullest. Such as, Do We Build a 2 year Computer or a 5 to 7 Year Computer. Is this a fun expense or a Business Investment. Perception and Perspective! Options! Hope that helps!

[@BDS369]

@@BuildOrBuy Ok some good points there. Both the MSI and ROG boards are currently priced at $699 with the ASRock sitting at $499. I tend to build a new PC once every 6-7 years, so spending a few more bucks upfront is not an issue. My only concern - and perhaps you could address this - is if I went with the MSI MEG ACE board do I have any options to add in USB 4 later? I could not find any way to do it - and this is mildly concerning. I do not have any need for it right now - but I'm wondering if I might down the line.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@BDS369, To be able to Add Thunderbolt / USB4 is remote since Bios Support has been required using the Intel Chipset. However, ASMedia ASM4242 Chipset might be an Option later. Nothing published regarding Chipset nor Specs of Chipset. ASMedia developed the AMD X670E Dual Chip Chipset. It looks promising but We don't enough yet. A possible Option yes. How far out? Good Question. Crystal ball forecasting, 1 year at least. But if Bios Support will be a prerequisite, then that's out on any new MSI Motherboard. USB-C 20Gbps 2x2 would be the only Option for anyone. That's doable and available right now and does not Require Bios Support! Options!

[@KK-kj9ql]

I'm looking for a bit of advice I want to build new pc but what will go well with what dies below config looks about right or would you change something? Amd 7950x3d Msi meg x670e 64gb ram 6000mhz 30cl Msi 4090 liquid supreme x Crucial t700 4tb Msi meg 1300w psu

[@KK-kj9ql]

Just to add my budget for the build is around 6000$

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello K K, Welcome! Excellent Question! Decent Specs. Q: What are You creating? Content Rendering? Do You need more Processing Power like CPU Cores. Do You need more PCIe Lanes. Everything matters. What's Your objectives? You wantva Purpose Built Computer with some Upgradeability. That too is finite. What's Your status?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello@@KK-kj9ql, OK. You might consider a HEDT or a Workstation. Something with more longevity vs a Consumer Desktop Motherboard. Hope that helps!

[@nazrhael3660]

Thank you so much for this video! I am looking to build a streaming recording all-in-one machine using this motherboard and could do with some advice. I am really hoping this is sufficient without jumping all the way to a Threadripper Pro build. R9 7950X 4090 (Encode limit patch lifted) 4.0 x8 CPU Blackmagic Design DeckLink Quad HDMI PCIe Capture Card 3.0 x8 CPU Elgato 4K60 Pro MK.2 PCIe Capture Card 2.0 x4 CPU WD Black SN850X 2TB M.2 CPU for OS Seagate FireCuda 530 4TB M.2 Chipset for recording USB devices: Mouse Keyboard Streamdeck ZOOM LiveTrak L-12 I have tested a similar setup (without the Elgato so only using x8 x8) on my current 5950X X570E 3080 setup (4 * 4k30 ISO recording, 1080p output recording, and 1080p streaming) so I know the CPU and the GPU can handle the load. My question is with the addition of the Elgato and writing to the FireCuda 530 via the chipset cause a bottleneck?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Nazrhael, Welcome! No bottleneck. Just be aware as You are of PCIe Lane allocations on CPU and Chipset. BTW: Why 2 Capture Cards?

[@nazrhael3660]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you for your prompt reply. Much appreciated 👍🏼 Two capture cards for a total of 5 HDMI inputs. Basically we are expanding from our current two camera set up to 4 cameras (host, left panel, right panel, and a wide angle) plus a screen input from another computer controlled by the host. Have been searching for a motherboard with as many PCIe CPU lanes as possible and found the ACE. It's interesting that the Z790 equivalent board's x4 slot is chipset because Raptor Lake only has 20 usable lanes compared to 7000 series' 24.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@nazrhael3660, Absolutely! Good timing! From a PC perspective You want either a HEDT or a Workstation for PCIe Lanes. For Cameras, everything You're doing right now is HDMI. OK. Have You considered a Blackmagic Video Switch? Link below. There are several Models to choose from. 1. Blackmagic Design ATEM Mini Pro HDMI Live Stream Switcher amzn.to/3mLSEUK As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! Hope that helps!

[@nazrhael3660]

@@BuildOrBuy Have considered the ATEM but that can only output one screen (max 2 with PiP?) to the computer so we have less flexibility in making scenes with multiple cameras at the same time and ISO recording all inputs in one computer that can directly transfer to our NAS via 10GBe where our editors can edit straight from. A smoother workflow from my research. I think HEDT is definitely a gap in the market for something like this as moving to a Threadripper is doubling the budget.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@nazrhael3660, An ATEM with SuperSource. Allows 4 simultaneous Inputs plus background on Screen. One of the higher end models. Streamyard might help for now. We use an ATEM with SuperSource. Amazing capabilities! The only HEDT right now is Intel W790 Workstation Chipset. By definition of PCIe Lanes, that's a HEDT, not a Workstation.

[@TheLisaDeesDelightsShow]

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[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Lisa Dee! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Support!

[@personaldronerepair6141]

@@BuildOrBuy She's cute too!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@personaldronerepair6141, And... Lisa Dee makes delicious looking Chef like dishes! She even let me Edit one of her Videos! She's a dear friend from Sean Cannell's Video Ranking Academy! We try to provide moral Support to one another for Our KZbin marathons!

[@personaldronerepair6141]

@@BuildOrBuy Just took a look at Lisa Dee's channel. That food looks gooooood! I wish you and your friends success and longevity. Keep 'Em Coming!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@personaldronerepair6141, I'm honored! Very much so! Have Fork, will travel! Lisa Dee creates amazing looking meals! Much Appreciated! Blessings and Best Wishes! Working on next Video, Answering another Subscriber Question!

[@mqcapps]

Question...if my rig maxes the GPU, CPU, storage "benchmarks" and it's time to push the file to a social media platform...what is the greatest bottleneck...the ISP?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Mike, Great Question! From Our experience, the Social Media Platform if like KZbin they Throttle Uploads! Use to not be that way but it is what it is. Next would be the ISP for same Reasons. Hassle!

[@ericgandt8164]

Have you tried a Raid card, as I found that when an Adaptec RAID6 (PCI 3.0 x8 card) is installed in any slot it fails to actually complete the boot process it end up hanging after initializing storage. This works in BIOS, but the PC can not boot. - switching Video and RAID (PCIE1 and PCIE2), changing PCIE speeds, - Note it can not be used in PCIE3 as it is an 8x card and performance would be impacted, but hey I gave it a try anyways. - Tried setting PCIE speeds to 3.0 and even 2.0 - Tried without any drives attached (so bare card) - Tried a backup card (learned in the past always have a backup RAID card if you can). - Tried on 1.10 and 1.25 BIOS no difference - Tried setting AHCI and RAID mopde no change

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi eric gandt, Welcome! Interesting Question! Adaptec? What's the Date of Manufacture on that Card? PCIe 3.0. What's the Firmware / Bios Date? Which Product are You using? Is there a Compatibility Report available for the Product You're using? From what We could determine, no Consumer Desktop Motherboard is on the Microchip List We found. Closest We discovered was HEDT, ASUS Prime TRX40-Pro Motherboard. A C242 and C628 Chipset are Listed To reiterate, No X670E Chipsets Listed. Adaptec Compatibility storage.microsemi.com/en-us/support/compatibility/ Hope that helps!

[@ericgandt8164]

@@BuildOrBuy Adaptec 81605Z (latest firmware), I ended up getting trying "Asus X670E ProArt Creator WiFi", found it has no issues, so the issue is with MSI's BIOS 1.10 and 1.25B, as of now support has no idea what is wrong.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi @@ericgandt8164, Interesting. What Bios Code did You encounter on the MSI Motherboard? Since ASUS makes Workstation Motherboards, Understandable. Thanks for Sharing! That's a Detail that absolutely matters!

[@ericgandt8164]

@@BuildOrBuy 29, but I'm told that is meaning less pass BIOS, by MSI Support.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@ericgandt8164, Bios code 29, hmm... Incompatibility. Resources not allocated. Bios / Firmware problems. Bios did not understand Firmware handoff acknowledgment thus failure to Boot. For an AIC that has a Bios Firmware, that AIC must Append the Motherboard Bios. Bad or low power PSU can cause that too. You took the best Solution, swap MSI for ASUS Motherboard! Thanks for Sharing! We never know whom We might be able to help! This could have bearing in other situations! Now I wonder if You had tried a Highpoint Self Bifurcated Add in card, what might have happened. Curios. Same scenario for an Appended Motherboard Bios. We'll keep that in mind!

[@ladamyre1]

You went right past it but what do you think of putting in 4 M.2 MVMe and putting them in RAID? The specs say the board supports 4 -M.2 in RAID 1, 0, or 10. Would striping 4 NVMe's make for a 4 times faster boot? And would putting them in RAID 10 make for a doubly fast boot with data backup? Does the one coming from the CPU interfere? If so, will using the M.2 expansion card be necessary for RAID 10? And if so could one then stripe 5 NVMe's for the OS?

[@ladamyre1]

Free RAID calculator says the RAID 10 would be 4 times faster read and 2 times faster write and tolerate at least one drive failure. Wouldn't that cut boot time to 1/4th? That would be faster than a single PCIe 5 is.

[@ladamyre1]

I went ahead and pulled the trigger on that. I have the MSI MEG X670E ACE coming and four Kingston 2TB M.2 MVMe's (they're PCIe 4.0x4) coming soon and plan to put them on the board itself in RAID 10 and not use the card if I don't have to. We'll see about how the three on the chipset works with the one on the CPU in a RAID 10. If it does, I should have a 4TB boot drive that reads at least two times faster than any _single_ PCIe 5.0 NVMe will ever do. I'll let you know next week.

[@ladamyre1]

CPU and cooler came in today and... YES! The four M.2 slots on the motherboard will go into a RAID 10 array. You have to set up the array in the BIOS first, then when installing Windows 10, load the drivers from the provided thumb drive by first loading the two info files in 'Storage/AMD/WT/WTx64/NVMe_DID/rcbottom' and then going to the 'rcraid' folder in 'NVMe_did" and the drivers there will now be seen by Windows as usable.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello ladamyre, Welcome! Q: Your use of RAID, need or want? This is not a Hardware RAID. This is a Hybrid Bios RAID. A combination of Bios and Software. Typically 4 Drives, in RAID will equal the Speed of 3 Drives. Why? Overhead. Anything using CPU Lanes will be a tad bit faster than Chipset Lanes. Of You combine, expect the lowest common denominator. The most effective and efficient use of Resources would be a fast M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drive! If You use a Quad card, where will You place the GPU? No way to have it all on a Consumer Desktop Motherboard! To Do everything, You need more PCIe Lanes. That only happens on a HEDT or Workstation Motherboard. Hope that helps!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello@@ladamyre1, Does that Calculator take into account the type of RAID? As it relates to a Hybrid Bios RAID.

[@ChrisM541]

Excellent motherboard, excellent heads-up on its capabilities, though they sure are ripping customers off with that price. Interesting fact 1: the bottom PCIe Gen5 x4 slot can also take a GPU (if your case will allow it, and, if it will sit nicely above all those bottom MB connectors etc...perhaps use a riser cable instead...if it works). If you do manage to get your sole GPU in this slot, it then leaves the top Gen5 x16 for bifurcation duties to allow an add-in M.2 card to provide up to 4 Gen 5 NVME SSD's...bringing the total NVME count up to 8. Interesting fact 2: The GPU in that bottom slot is running at Gen 5 x 4 = Gen 4 x 8 = Gen 3 x 16. Know that, with even the 4090, the gaming FPS difference between Gen 5x16 and Gen3x16 is virtually zero (search "PCIe scaling of 4090"). That bombshell fact will remain for at least another two GPU series releases - GPU's are waay behind PCIe advances. With the GPU in the bottom slot, you can also populate both top and middle slots with add-in cards that provide two (Gen 5) NVME's...again, giving the same total of 8 NVME drives. Of course, we're still waiting on Gen 5 add-in cards, but the capability is there with this board.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello ChrisM541, Welcome! Yes, good use of PCIe Resources albeit the crazy prices! 3rd PCIe Slot for GPU? There are no PCIe 5.0 GPUs. Only PCIe 4.0. We would not encourage nor suggest doing that. However, Test and Verify. Your Results may vary. We have had User Reports in a PCIe X8 Slot of as low as a 2% Performance hit. And one unconfirmed Hit of a 20% Performance drop. Our focus is Rendering. We have also had User Reports stating they tried a X4 PCIe 4.0 Slot and were dissatisfied with Performance for Rendering. That too should be Tested to Verify Results for each User Configuration. Good to know and be reminded about TechPowerUp PCIe Scaling of 4090. We tried a PCIe 4.0 Riser cable. BSODs! Another Test and Verify scenario. We have a Video on that too trying a Quad card for an emissivity Test on a PCIe 4.0 HEDT Motherboard. However, Test and Verify. Your Results may vary. The GPU is not driving the PCIe Bus. The M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD Drives the Bus. And has since PCIe 3.0. When using that 2nd PCIe Slot, remember the First PCIe Slot drops to only 8 PCIe Lanes. Shared PCIe Resources on a Consumer Desktop Motherboard. See: Specifications: Supports x16/x0/x4, x8/x8/x4 As for the capability with a PCIe 5.0 M.2 NVMe add in card, that's up for conjecture. Appreciate Your Comments!

[@ChrisM541]

@@BuildOrBuy I appreciate there's currently no Gen5 GPU's. What I meant was, the 3rd PCIe slot (Gen5 x4) will happily operate at Gen4 x8 speeds for any Gen4 GPU, or operate at Gen3 x16 speeds for any Gen3 GPU. With this, and with TechPowerUp's 4090 PCIe scaling results, even a 4090 in that bottom slot will barely be speed/throughput compromised. Of course, if you can make that big overpriced badboy fit in this slot in the first place (might need to cut a hole in the side of the case, lol, if no riser card is up for the job). If dooable though, that leaves the remaining 16 PCIe Gen5 lanes for whatever the user fancies, a single slot at x16 or both slots at x8.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@ChrisM541, To reiterate, 4 PCIe Lanes are 4 PCIe Lanes, no matter the speed. Suggest Testing Your Theory and see if those 4 PCIe Lanes meet Your expectations. Otherwise, up for conjecture.

[@johndelabretonne2373]

I thought Samsung ceased production of B-die memory back in 2019, around the time that Ryzen 3000 launched? My understanding was that this was a result of the Zen 2 memory controller being much improved over Zen & Zen+, so B-die memory was no longer necessary for high stability over cheaper memory modules...

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi John de la Bretonne, Welcome! Very good Question! Still available! Joey is going to Test and Verify since He's working on Setting or Breaking World Records in Overclocking. Whereas, We're all about Content Creation Rendering and sorting out PCIe Lanes for Slots and Storage! Always Test and Verify! Your Results may vary! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching!

[@maxhughes5687]

That's true, but B-die is still the 3200MHz ram with the lowest latency. 8 or 16GB sticks in dual, quad or octa channel are 14 14 14 34. I never saw any 32GB sticks.

[@maxhughes5687]

Agesa code updates were to get Intel XMP to work on AMD boards. AMD is 266MHz steps and Intel uses 200MHz steps. XMP speeds used by review channels to make users think AMD was a tough build to get to working never stopped. 2133 not 2000 or 2200. 2666 not 2600 or 2800. 2933 not 3000. 3466 not 3400 or 3600. 3733 not 3800. 2400, 3200 or 4000MHz work on both.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@maxhughes5687, Interesting to note the RAM Densities. Most curious like You've pointed out! We realized that just looking at Kingston. Have not had a chance to verify the rest yet.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@maxhughes5687, Have You noticed the obsession with Consumer Desktop Motherboards even after hitting the high points regarding HEDT and Workstations. Tinkering.

[@theonlyone38]

How does this compare to the MSI X670E Godlike?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi theonlyone38, Interesting Question. Every Motherboard has different PCIe Resource allocations of Slots and Storage. MSI has simplified this Motherboard Layout for a Clean no frills Setup. Considering the limitations of CPU and Chipset, wise choices. On the Godlike series like everyone else not everything hanging on the Motherboard can be utilized simultaneously. A this or that approach. However MSI has done a really nice job on the Godlike Prioritizing M.2 NVMe Storage. None of these Consumer Desktop Motherboards should cost over $500. Anything above that is approaching the price of a Workstation with more Resources. Notice on MSI X670E Motherboards, no Thunderbolt Anything. Only 20Gbps USB-C 2X2. The best Comparison will be from their Block Diagrams. Buried in back of PDF Manuals! Weird location. Anyway... MSI is doing the best at Documentation right now! Hope that helps!

[@theonlyone38]

@@BuildOrBuy thank you! this was helpful!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@theonlyone38, Excellent! We try! Let Us know which Direction You choose!

[@theonlyone38]

@@BuildOrBuy still torn between the Ace and the Asus X670E Extreme. The back i/o is compelling for the Asus X670E Extreme.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@theonlyone38, Which Brand of Motherboard have You used before?

[@davidbenini8144]

I need to make a new system, as colorist on Resolve, my old 9900k and rtx 2080, is done after 4 years of battle .... I make my own PC and the real pcie line i crucial, i use mini monitor 4 k for out clean video HDR/SDR Dolby vision reference...l'm planing a rtx4090 I'm waiting 13900 Pugetbench result to see.. However Intel as less pcie, bit thunderbolt 4 ...as black magic as some thunderbolt all in one device to monitor accelerate and capture...less interest to pcie line.....for media nvme pcie 4 are already enough ...but many time i recive ziped archive of 100/500 gb of raw material and AMD still much better, and AM5 is at new base for some upgrades....so my search ended up whit this board....what you thinks is the better option ( i can't afford thread ripper end ws80 option ) ? Thanks!!!!just pressed like and subscription really good analysis, good work!!!!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi David, Welcome! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments and Support! Of the X670E Motherboards We have evaluated so far, for an Overview of Resources, this MSI MEG X670E ACE does the best for Content Creation Rendering! Are You running Windows 10 or Windows 11? There are issues with Ryzen 7000 series CPUs and Windows 11. We don't know yet if it's a Driver problem or addressable through a Bios update. Previously, Windows 11 had issues with Color which is now resolved. Otherwise, short of the WRX80 Workstation, this appears to be Your best Option for now! Get a good quality PSU for that RTX 4090! Windows 11 22H2 apparently causing performance issue on AMD Ryzen 7000 CPUs - Neowin www.neowin.net/news/windows-11-22h2-apparently-causing-performance-issue-on-amd-ryzen-7000-cpus/ Hope that helps! Next up, a different X670E Motherboard in Response to another Subscribers Questions!

[@davidbenini8144]

​@@BuildOrBuy thanks for the answer, and for the information, I will wait 1 or 2 months to see the evolution of the market, and the problems of the new hw, obviously watching your videos, thanks and greetings from Italy

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@davidbenini8144, Amazing how far We reach Viewers around the world! I'm honored! Good call. We're fielding Questions now about DDR5 ECC support. We'll either address that topic in the next X670E Motherboard Video or in a separate Video!

[@seethruhead7119]

pcie 5.0 x4 16GB/s seems like a terrible tradeoff for 20gbps usb.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello seethruhead7119, Welcome! 20Gbps USB-C 2X2 is a better use of PCIe Lanes than Thunderbolt. Easier to implement. Perception and Perspective. We definitely need more PCIe Lanes both CPU and Chipset!

[@MrSamuelspark]

Hi. New to your channel. I'm 16 minutes in and I like the content so far but you repeat yourself multiple times on almost everything. This adds unnecessary length to the video and this is how you get almost a 70 minute long video. You shouldn't feel the need to repeat things because this is a video. The viewer can just press the back arrow and go back to hear what you said again instead of you having to explain it again for everyone watching the video. I think it will help your videos become more digestible and reach a broader audience.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Samual Park, I hear what You're saying. However, Not everyone understands one example as indicated by the Questions being asked. Thank You for Your Comments.