MSM-03C Hygogg - Amphibious Analysis

[@rolandjaycutter3504]

As a minor note; The thunderbolt Acguys also had ejectable casings on some of their weapons.

[@joshorganika]

i'd kill for a model kit of thunderbolt acguy

[@xenon3990]

Yea, the custom options on those would be insane 🤩

[@funniclockman614]

Zeon aquatic suits are like pugs, stubby, goofy, and full of character. I especially love the Hygogg because it also looks badass.

[@TheFearsomeRat]

Hygogg is the best amphibious MS, this is a fact. All hail Hygogg.

[@bossbingus7457]

Pretty cool to see at 13:05 you can see the Hygogg surrounded by the wreck of a destroyed ZnO. Hygogg really showed it's impression who's boss.

[@EffendiChung]

I see Hygoggs as an intercept/ambush marine units with extra capability of surprise attacks. Its non humanoid/creature like build is a perfect psychological warfare element.

[@xnflg3074]

another banger, mr sloth. the hygogg has some of the most bonkers proportions of any OYW suit. something about it looks truly menacing and intense

[@Exelionmode]

Honey wake up another amphibious analysis episode is here.

[@grayfox6518]

Hygogg was definitely in my top 3 favorite Zeon mechs. Sort of how they made the Gelgoog a more advanced version of the Zakus, I kind of wish they had taken the MSM-03 Cbis in the same direction, making it the successor to Hygogg and upgrading it visually and aesthetically, maybe a coat of red paint and a commander fin horn adorned above the eyes.

[@elfbait3774]

By far my favorite amphibious mobile suit. Your space version sounds cool, BTW.

[@swederino_3093]

bis means twice in Latin and is commonly used in Russian fighter planes to denote a variant that had enough upgrades to deserve a new name but not enough to get a new number. so a late production mig 21 would be called mig 21 bis so one would quickly know that it is a late version with upgrades. on another note, I really hope you do a video on the zee zulu some day, as it's one of my favourite mobile suits ever! oh and merry christmas!

[@elfbait3774]

I came here to say this! :)

[@ProfessM]

You should see Final Fantasy XIV's take on Emerald and the other weapons. And while Endless Waltz is my preferred mecha anime tradition for Yule nothing like a little War in the Pocket. Sure I might be in the Kampfer camp but the Hygogg is a classic too.

[@SNKBossSyndrom]

The Hygogg appeared in Gundam Battle Assault 1 & 2 as a playable robot and appeared as an enemy in the first stage of Last Resort from SNK (at least they took lots of inspiration from it). Great design, never understood why you would build a robot in shape of a human.

[@stringer2998]

I always feel like having mechs in a humanoid shape would make movement more intuitive since things like the hygogg move much more weirdly, making it harder to control and maneuver for an average pilot

[@johannjosephsci]

i love these videos

[@strcmdrbookwyrm]

Thanks for a great video. I'm an outsider to Gundam as a whole, but I'd seen the Hygogg a couple times and thought it looked pretty cool. So I'm happy to get some easy to digest information on it. Just a couple of my thoughts: I think the Hygogg's arms are weird because it has the beam cannons in its "wrists." You can't exactly bend those cannons, so it instead has the long bendy arms. That's probably why it has the long arms as well, so that it can aim the cannons without interference. I don't think your design is a worse version of Xeon or a worse.... whatever xaku. I think it's design would be much cooler that either of those. Especially if you keep the ferrings that it uses when carrying the hand missiles. I picture the S-Hygogg (which can stand for Space or Sloth, whichever you choose) having been developed to easily go between space and a planet's surface with ease (making them essentially keep their roll as amphibious units). The hand missiles would be replaced by booster rockets for more speed until it entered combat. Then the boosters could open up and deploy as satellites to boost communications and provide support while leaving the S-Hygogg's hands free for combat. But that's just my ramblings. Still a good video.

[@slothcakes]

Thanks for the input its alway nice to see a outside perspective on things. first thats a nice idea for a space hygogg i like the hand booster unit idea second why its compared to the zeong and psy comm zaku is that those guys hands can detach via wire connection and go far out and shoot from a distance and the zeong is a massive powerhouse with each finger tip having a powerful beam cannon and also having one on its mouth and chest and the psycomm zaku being a weaker prototype version. While my space hygogg might look cooler than that they do its job much better. But the S-Hygogg does have legs which neither of thoses have so walking on a surface is a +1 for the S-hygogg

[@strcmdrbookwyrm]

@@slothcakes That makes sense. Thanks for sharing with me what makes the Zenog and Psy Comm Zaku so good. Again, it's information I didn't know before. I'm glad I could add a bit more to the S-Hygogg idea, even if there are better space Mobile Suits out there. The idea does have both a level of charm and "Rule of Cool", and I think it's fun that it being repurposed for space combat could just as easily be from within the story as it is without.

[@ZeonicFenrir]

You actually struck the nail on the head: in its earliest incarnation the Hygogg was supposed to the the MSM-05/B, apparently named “Gock” or something like that, which would make it a machine unrelated to the Gogg… or the AMX-109 Capule. I mention the later because apparently one of the reasons the Hygogg became a relative of the Gogg was to serve as the missing link between it and the Capule… which doesn’t make as much sense one you put the claim to the test. Case in point, the Capule is often criticized due to forgetting the most important lesson that OYW amphibious MS learned: put weapons on the arms, not just on the torso! The Gogg’s main problem, that can be quite evident in games that tried to take a more realistic approach, is that in order to aim its weapons, you have to rotate the entire MS, which is already a high demand for such a… chubby MS. The Acguy, Z’gok, Hygogg and even the Gogg derived Jurick did correct this issue. Probably the most glaring exception is the Zock, but that already is in a weird pseudo MA classification, and perhaps the idea was that its hovering system combined with its symmetrical weapon placement would allow to easily overcome such problem. Anyway, the Capule ignored the above and went back to torso & head mounted weapons (the later which the Gogg also had in the form of two phonon masers). Granted, the Capule is a much more agile design than the Gogg, both on Earth and water (the later is put to question on background information, but in practice the Capule from ZZ proved to be quite mobile), so it can deal with this limitation a bit better. Ultimately though, even the more “primitive” people from Turn A Gundam that adopt the MS as its mainstay unit quickly realized this shortcoming and corrected it, adding guns to its claws. Shame on you Axis/Neo Zeon for not realizing & correcting such an evident problem! Anyway, I’m actually a bit confused on when the Hygogg was introduced, given that some works such as Blue Destiny make it look like it was around in larger numbers and at a much earlier date than what War in the Pocket would suggest. Looking at the Z’gok’s development line, supposedly Zeon first deployed the vanilla MSM-07 Z’gok, then replaced with with the MSM-07S Z’gok, which by some accounts had beam guns on both claws unlike the base model (and optional 4 claws hands according to some gunplas) and finally was supposed to replace the later with the even better Z’gok E. Personally I would be fine if the Hygogg was meant to be introduced around the same time as the S-Type Z’gok, leaving just the Z’gok E as the one amphibious design that was introduced “too little too late”. The backstory of the UMP already considers that some units introduced by the middle of the war, such as the Zaku F2, were labeled as UMP-complaint, meaning that even though they didn’t fully embraced the idea concept of the UMP, they began implementing some aspects of it. That’s a topic worth of its own separate conversation. Lastly, some sources, the Journey to Jaburo game from PS2 and some editions of the Gundam Encyclopedia IIRC, actually say that the Gogg & other amphibious MS, as well as the later Gelgoog, already switched to Titanium Ceramic composite. Unfortunately games tend to be considered gray canon and the encyclopedia has made many changes to the official info, sometimes back and forth, with their different releases. I do will say that on Zeta and ZZ, the RMS-117 Galbaldy Beta and the MS-14J Regelg both use regular titanium alloy, so my take is that the original idea was for both the EF and Zeon to switch to this material late in the OYW, and both kept using it until the EF replaced it by the time it introduced the GM II & Hizack, while Axis went straight to gundarium gamma. In other words, titanium ceramic composite being available earlier would be a retcon introduced with War in the Pocket.

[@slothcakes]

Yea the capule just odd, filled with so many oddies and the idea it got produced with no hand range weapons is crazy, how it beacame like that raises so much questions and its overall gameplan is confusing. I do love how the turn a people had to deal with the hand dealt to them and use it wonder what neo zeon would do if they gave the guy another go. Hopefully the would just go back to the hygogg and work them there I do remember hearing about the Gock for the hygogg but couldnt pin point where. In another would maybe the jurick is the upgraded gogg which would give him the spotlight I do think it deserves, I do like my dumb expensive gorilla. I always have trouble with dates since so much happens in the short last months of the OYW it becomes comical, am pretty sure a zgok E appears in a johhny ridden manga but I dont think the hygogg is shown in much if any. also while not looked at as much as other sources you can find alot info in games and model kit manuals sadly we left the era of ps2 gundam games which was filled with info like j2j or encounters in space,

[@supernovavortex3069]

MY FAVORITE ❤❤❤❤

[@goufr3540]

What is funny about Zeon, is that if you have some stupid crazy MS design, they likely already built it. As for the Hygogg itself, is that its just what many amphibious MS try to be.

[@min_chofi4787]

"bis" can be interpetred as "Again" or "Doble" or maybe more apropiated for this ocation "Alternative" So you can take it as a pararel desing of the Hygogg!

[@ZockEnjoyer]

I GOT THE ZOCK!

[@TokyoFilthy]

great video, and i can confirm the ver anime hygogg is amazing. And the idea of zeon continuing making ms for the united maintenance plan would be so sick, if i could i wish we could of seen an efreet, juaggu, or acguy under the UNP

[@TokyoFilthy]

how could i forget, we also surprisingly never got a unp gouf, but the good custom could easily take that role

[@slothcakes]

Thank you, and a few days after finishing the video i also got ver anime hygogg and the figure is amazing I dont know why i didnt get it sooner

[@Lavendeer201]

YAAAAS I've always wanted this guy as a model!

[@emperorhadrian6011]

The hg is pretty good for its age.

[@TheChikyChiky]

Thank you for doing a video on my lovely water boy

[@OasisTypeZaku]

This is when the designs got weird😂. It's a cool design and probably the most OP Suit in GBO2 at 350.

[@ZockEnjoyer]

Merry Christmas

[@discoplumber]

Bis is used in Soviet and Russian planes to say a "second" type, like improved type so I assume the C-bis here is the same. Also the C deosn't stand for anything it is more a progressive improvment like in the Zaku II in that the first production run would be the MS-06, then the next with improvments would be the MS-06 B etc.

[@RolandTHX]

It was also used by the French, for example with the Char B1 tank having an upgraded version in the Char B1 bis [and a Char B1 ter after as a third version].

[@ВасилийМорозов-л7х]

​@@RolandTHXBis is a French word which is used in European sources for Soviet plane 'second models'. In Russia it's either just a 'year pattern' (year of first production, usually designates really old military tech) or some numerical/letter designation attached (sometimes with a hyphen) to the original designation.

[@NeoXNeo2007]

I feel sad for the GM command code district type like in every each almost photo it’s on the ground dead like give it a break. But for real merry Christmas.

[@slothcakes]

until you brought it up I didnt realize that, man cant catch a break also merry christmas

[@NeoXNeo2007]

@@slothcakes not that in its own promotional pictures in maybe any model that shows up in expected to be on the floor because that’s what it’s the most famous for being pinned down on the ground by the Hygogg.

[@terry4897]

Also at least up to this time the only iconic scenes featuring the gm cold climate in a gundam anime was when it was being trashed by hygoggs. The cold climate got it's payback in the gundam blue destiny manga but it doesn't seem to be well known and hasn't been adapted for anime yet.

[@RX782GP03]

another mech that resembles it is the Kasel and the Quibing from FrontMission3, with the Quibing actually being amphibious and with a commander fin

[@McLeod917]

bis is a Russian thing for improved. like on the MiG-15bis. also the blue destiny manga has a gogg with new shoulder armor and a commander fin.

[@joaogomes9405]

It's not exclusively Russian. The french also use it, for example in the B1 bis

[@swakage13x]

One of my girlfriend's favorite animals is a frog And she said this reminded her of it And I said we could possibly paint it up Like your favorite type of frog And she got super excited So I'm planning on getting one And painting it up In a specific way for her birthday I even showed her this video and she got even more excited For the unit Plus she kind of looks like Christina McKenzie From war in the pocket anyway With her hair That she dyed red. So it works even more for her

[@swakage13x]

The zemoh looks like trash

[@sebastianthomsen2225]

and a MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR to you Sloth Cakes! 🤗😊👍🎄🎄🎄🎁🎁🎁🎁

[@SecohdYue]

I love this thing, it's super cool

[@mrzgok872]

Lets gooooo the hy gogg

[@CaneMcKeyton]

I always kind of wondered why Zeon invested so much into specialized amphibious mobile suits

[@emperorhadrian6011]

Many reasons both in universe and meta reasons. One to note is that in the original series zeon played the roll of antagonist. What is more antagonizing and intimidating than something lurking under the water. Or that in universe zeon based much of its ideas on history, a common thread in these histories is a Naval military tradition (partially influenced meta-contextually by the island nature of Japan the origin of gundam and their own culture and history.) I could go on and on, but I'm sure you understand.

[@funniclockman614]

They probably considered aquatic operations as a priority because most of Earth's surface is covered in water.

[@Foxdie1138]

The bis in MSM-03Cbis Hygogg might be a real world reference to the soviet unions use of the term bis to denote a "B" model, like Mig-15 and Mig-15bis

[@emperorhadrian6011]

The hg hy-gogg has a line on its forehead for a commander antenna.

[@captain0080]

I'm still salty this never got the Master Grade treatment, the HG is nice but could be better.

[@ulforcemegamon3094]

At least there is the MG sized 3D printable version, but still

[@bigboi7817]

Honestly I thought not naming it the Ma Gogg was a missed opportunity

[@joaogomes9405]

Bis is latin for "again" and is most commonly used as a musical term meaning "repeat". It's also used in military contexts to refer to derivations of existing vehicles, like the B1 bis or the mig 21 bis. Also the "zee" in zee Zulu is pronounced like the letter z (not zed). It's German for sea

[@rider4440]

I was actually just thinking about 0080 and the hygogg

[@711MasterBlaster]

I love the hygogg. I have both the HG and the Spirits model

[@midknightfenerir]

Bis means same as Kai in Japanese

[@vilhelmleons9631]

"bis" essentially means "improved second version" in russian, ive seen it tagged to later generations of the MiG-21 kinda like the British MKII

[@nicholashoskins8266]

You know, i am currently making a custom model kit of the hygogg with the extended shoulders smoothed out abit more and lengthened so i can turn it into a penguin. The barrel/container for its missle on the hand is now labeled fish and chips with it being now a transporting of gear. Just need to scratchbuilt the portion of the penguin latch into the hygoggs tubes on the top, as well as making a rotating head joint(never done such a joint before) so this will be interesting. That and painting it in black/white for the tux motif.

[@slothcakes]

thats a brilliant concept, the large shoulders are perfect for that

[@nicholashoskins8266]

@slothcakes Thanks for the vote of confidence as well as sorry for the late reply. If im done with it, I'll probably post a joke briefing(something along the lines of asmongolds, Armored core 6 Mission briefing or kakarot197, recent reviews) as my first non game recording on youtube. The title will probably be something like "Zeon's winter/postwar/resistance morale boosting transport a.k.a. the Pen-Gogg!! With a megaparticle cannon in its mouth and with a heat beak to help with cooling, beam flippers with sub arms, stealth coating, and 360 firing arc it is one of the best in resupplying under the feddie's radar with its fish(weaponry/whole parts) and chips(ammo/consumables/fuel)!!" Something along those lines. The only others i have in mind on working as an animal like ms is a manta ray(using epyons' wings and shield) and a bird(using the wing gundam). I believe there was one other i thought up, but i lost the notes i had, so this is what i got. Wish me luck, Slothcakes. This is my first scratchbuild, to be honest. Also, I hope you have a good holiday/new years.

[@slothcakes]

you to as well and best of luck, with the extra hy gogg arms you could make a horrifying zeon squid

[@MothFable]

I’m planning a custom hygogg ball hybrid kitbash. The idea is ball with the arms and legs of hygogg, and I cal it hybalg

[@nicholashoskins8266]

​@doomsoul9096 @Slothcakes Nice. And now that I have some time on my hands to think after christmas, i think i have an idea on what the B.I.S. is for but ill let you decide on my hypothesis/guesswork. The B Probably either stands for Base or battleship, the I stands for interception/interuption, and the S should stand for series/system/setup. I doubt the s should stand for a commander unit, but maybe special would be another alternative as its either a custom job or for special forces. Thoughts on this guesswork everybody?

[@KillerOrca]

The BIS subtitle might be a reference to the MIG-21 bis. I think it also means "upgrade" in Russian

[@erniestrother3545]

Terror of the deep.

[@Mogura85]

i say thr C in MSM-03C Hygogg stands for calamaei, with these grabby tentacle like arms it makes sense for me

[@secondbeamship]

I wish the HG wasn’t overpriced.

[@BottomFrontal451]

HY-GOGG!

[@sonwig5186]

Bis is like mig21bis. Kondo be like that

[@Человек-Вархаммер]

11:00 I could help you. A "bis" is a thing in russian engeneering slang and it means "Second, emproved version of something".

[@joaogomes9405]

Its also used in french tanks like tbe b1 bis

[@g_kamikazi]

zeongogg

[@jasper4062]

It is i got one for 16euros money very well spent i love my blue dude he is a very fun build

[@bigdaddydons6241]

You absolute fool I am making a hy-gogg "cannon" out og HG kit, not really a cannon but a missile platform with a big missile rack mounted onto its back

[@ZockEnjoyer]

I did it

[@YoshiJoshWKJD]

Bro why you pretending to be American?

[@JI394]

Because to many, including myself, the American accent sounds the best.

[@RebelGiga]

Ugh I'm gonna coooom, i LOVE the Hygogg!