MSM 213 - Echo Fox | Mkleo (Marth) Vs Lumbre (Ness) Winners Quarters - Smash Ultimate

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[@deleonfountain8220]

Smash community: “marth is inconsistent and sucks” Mkleo: “que?!”

[@Traystigo]

Deleon Fountain MkLeo just dropped Marth a few days ago after Summit though. Check his Twitter if you want details.

[@chiweweman2010]

They really need to buff marth it’s stupid that lucina is outright better. Like there’s no reason to pick marth now competitively. Marth is soooooo much more fun to watch and play, it hurts me.

[@amestrisgone]

he is, mkleo is just that good Marth is pretty underwhelming and boring in this game

[@johnritter9526]

How is he inconsistent lmao. The tip is a tipper Everytime.

[@swaggytee_]

Deleon Fountain underrated comment

[@batmanandrobin250]

6:12 insane confirm

[@botanicalabe]

This dude walked into his local thinking he might have a chance of winning...until he found out Leo is attending too

[@ApsisApocynthion]

I see MkLeo I click. I'm a simple man.

[@Hibi0133]

Same

[@unknownsoldier6731]

Wrong order

[@thedudeinhisden9163]

Comment = exact thought

[@r4rbit]

@@unknownsoldier6731 I see click I MkLeo?

[@unknownsoldier6731]

rarbit really ? You put “im a simple man” first dude

[@mro_mac]

I love how they get confident after beating Mkleo once and then Mk does that awesome comeback everytime

[@ninjasaki_7231]

MacraGE R he’s a comeback player lol that’s his style

[@Super_Smash_Dude]

He just let's them win because he's a nice guy:)

[@tsean1106]

The_Ninja_ Epic tbh I don’t think mk Leo is very momentum based he plays incredibly consistently nearly every set with the addition of constant adaptations each game.

[@Zytomega]

At this point I believe Leo let people win to make events more hype

[@josephBo]

@Angga Antonio He's joking man lol. Of course Leo wouldn't purposely throw a game. He's not a man who lives off of the hype to do such a thing. He's a humble guy

[@marthmain6121]

@6:01 is one of the cleanest stocks I've ever seen.

[@weasyll_]

Dude, holy shit. Watching Dancing Blade never work properly is so maddening.

[@Riversofash]

Yeah, especially when it takes a lot of iq for it to kill in the first place.

[@tinyt.w.i.m7291]

-When your echos do it better

[@lamdudy]

Tiny T.W.I.M Lucina‘s side b is probably by far the worst

[@L3thalShad0ws7]

And how Roy’s side B is one of the most dishonest moves in the game...

[@Clel]

@UtherSwagBringer "Not like it's what marth is known for anyway" says the guy completely ignoring brawl >(

[@mengistiehailemariam1697]

I feel like I’ve seen half of the top players on the pgr go to this tournament

[@UnEviLGaming]

playerboy mong facts

[@moss7910]

Ngl that ness was really clean though

[@YungKiwi_]

I can’t believe I’d want to watch a guy play ness but dude was really good so I stay tuned.

[@gettindizzy8836]

You should go watch Awestin

[@nickcrimten6213]

He PK Fires too much

[@FungalFury]

why did he pk flash tho, downsmash and upsmash are way better options for edgegaurding and pk flash is just bad across the board. it might just be some matchup specific stuff though.

[@larry8673]

@@FungalFury Marcina up-B can hit Ness while he's charging yo-yo at ledge

[@Testify087]

I love how Leo actually WAVELANDS on the platforms

[@fernandogonzalezgarcia2168]

Marth be like "I cannot afford to lose" lol

[@josephBo]

9:50 95% of us would've accepted death there. Leo is such a quick thinker

[@chocobovonhauske8518]

Nah, most tournament players would've done the same

[@josephBo]

@@chocobovonhauske8518 Im sure the pros make up less than 5 percent of the smash community. Considering Elite smash is top 3 percent of the community, and most are definitely not even pro caliber

[@chocobovonhauske8518]

@@josephBo oh, sorry, I thought that by 95% you meant players that were at least a bit into the competitive scene, but yeah, considering all the people that play casually then you are right

[@josephBo]

@@chocobovonhauske8518 Yeah nah I meant the whole community. Every pro player is pretty smart and i'm sure many if not most would've done what Leo did, but it was still impressive from a casual's perspective

[@toBEcharmed]

Joseph Chung its not 3%

[@pwner369]

10:48 Leo almost got upsetted

[@ekene4886]

Isn't it upset?

[@Minister_of_Magic_1997]

It wouldn’t have killed but it could have cost him the game.

[@WookieSenshi]

@@Minister_of_Magic_1997 bruh, pkt2 would have killed him for sure there. 40% on mkleo and good rage on lumbre. I'm a Ness main and that for sure would have done him in. lol

[@Minister_of_Magic_1997]

W S yeah ness dm did have rage so you’re right.

[@pwner369]

Pathos Fitness I’m about 100% sure that would have killed. They weren’t center stage and that move is super strong

[@ICanHazWaffles705]

If I could take even one match off of Leo, my life would be complete.

[@jtwk3400]

HisNameIsRobertPaulson more like one stock

[@SSJUnderDog]

HisNameIsRobertPaulson you’re pathetic

[@YungKiwi_]

Ok but let’s say u actually took a match off him, what’re u doing afterwards?

[@jtwk3400]

YungKiwi I’d say you ready for game 2?

[@chony93]

@@YungKiwi_ I guess he would end himself, no more point in living

[@WarrenValion]

Always nice to see Leo's Marth.

[@Sleeeeeeeeeeeeepy]

Smash Community: Marth is one of the inconsistent heroes in smash *MKleo uses Marth* Smash Community: Marth is now S tier.

[@chony93]

We all can see the mistakes MKLeo does, still beyond the level I would ever reach, he is still practicing that Marth and doing better everytime

[@mysticsquirtle5109]

He makes a lot of mistakes, but he has amazing pressure and he knows how to abuse his mistakes as mixups.

[@Casual_Shots]

7:33 commentary off the mark. Marth's kit opens up multiple tech chase windows, at all percents, starting at 0% with Nair 2. Tech chasing at 40% is a kill setup due to DBF4 and Tipper Fsmash.

[@SSJolt]

Such a good set man. Leo is insane

[@hijanks]

I've had this in my queue forever and damn I wish I had watched this Ness sooner.

[@uffevonlauterbach]

Lumbre handled a bad match up pretty well here. I'm impressed.

[@sharsasuke01]

This is like Jordan dunking on kids in a park. lol

[@sensey181]

Exactly lol

[@Diwalia]

Wouldn't call it like that, it was last stock game 3

[@Gopal__S]

@@Diwalia Well he was using his secondary

[@dende_ult714]

@@Gopal__S and?

[@DevinC444]

@@Gopal__S he also used his marth throughout most of summit

[@1yin]

I love how the audience applauded for Lumbre at the end of the set. True respect to our manz

[@atha5469]

That ness played very well

[@TTG_JG]

Definitely a respectable performance from Lumbre

[@CJayin]

Give this guy props he probably should of won this set. He just got in his own head at the end.

[@electromagneticlemon]

5:25 he was right, it is wii fit

[@ZWarrior89]

I see Mkleo Marth, I click.

[@Goblin1123]

Ness was so happy 1:27

[@blakebrowne8428]

Man I felt so bad for lumbre when he looked back and no one hyped him up! Like come on he just took game one against the best player in the world

[@NormFuture]

Sheepdog he looked back with arrogance that’s why

[@Mo-fz1to]

6:13 so graceful

[@Gumby518]

11:18 Can someone explain how he turned his bair to a fair? The answer can be as simple as "c- stick".

[@loganhaberman9643]

When Marth/Lucina bair they turn around

[@stilactic4667]

It’s so refreshing to see Leo use a character other than Joker

[@user-nd7fr2ht9b]

日本人です。 こういうガン攻めするネスの立ち回りが 一番キャラ性能にピッタリだと思う。

[@timtaylor1999]

Lol. His name is lumbre and he uses ness. 🔥🔥🔥

[@timtaylor1999]

His name is lumbre. It means fire in Spanish. Pk fire is something ness says in his attack.

[@killerbee792]

@@timtaylor1999 I thought fuego meant fire? 🤔🤔 or caliente?

[@lego1194]

6:12 "oh that was nice. I'll give it to you Leo" Really? That was amazing

[@sebserrano8717]

He was being sarcastic, he then said he's "kind of" a good player lol

[@lego1194]

@seb serano.. yeah I know... but it seemed like sarcasm he meant lol

[@moist762]

@@lego1194 no. You're reading too much into the comment he made. It was sarcasm. That's it

[@lego1194]

@moist man or maybe I'm being sarcastic -____-

[@ricksta_k]

@@lego1194 Nah you were totally not serious about the comment you posted

[@yosma6]

Isn't this match-up like +2 for marth?

[@dannyreb3391]

Maybe in melee LOL

[@NeedelsMods]

Good shit lumbre! Homeboy did well

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

6:09-6:16 clip worthy. Let's go Leo.

[@emperorlokire7648]

HTT Fan I would add that up tilt he did just before that play. Leo is the MAN.

[@thelordoftheweebs9501]

@@emperorlokire7648 it started before yeah, but this was where he got the actual 0-2 death I feel.

[@koreyryan8920]

This is a lumbruh moment

[@bumpadump7981]

Is it bad that I've hit more tipper f-smashes with Incineroar than Marth?

[@starchild6646]

Mortal Killer Leo

[@TimG57867]

6:40 FYI you can’t SDI PK Fire cause it doesn’t have an SDI multiplier. Ya just have hold out of it like you’re DIing.

[@Cheesesteakfreak]

How to beat some random Ness with Marth. Step 1. Be the best player in the world. Step 2. If you're lucky you'll win, but it will be down to the wire. Sma5h Marth needs buffs

[@catandgrouper4760]

JW Money no, Leo is always clutch, but yeah tipper needs to be bigger

[@dvaccaro96]

Idk many of these interactions felt off. I'm guessing Ness has a hitbox Leo isn't very accustomed to, because he usually lands many more tippers against PR players. Or maybe he was just not putting too much effort into it

[@Mo-fz1to]

Why dancing blade missing so much

[@dreadfury2485]

Props to Lumbre for keeping it as close as it was! This matchup is *atrocious* for Ness.

[@alexnola9743]

I got confused about smash 4??? What do you mean, you're a commentator and see the game all the time

[@thatspoonybard8013]

Why does Leo look so much more precise than even the other top players?

[@L3thalShad0ws7]

That Spoony Bard cuz he’s God

[@mrkisukes]

Mkleo makes any character he plays look at least one tier better than they actually are.

[@zamoraarchive4224]

Man lumbre got too greedy with the pk fires on the platform :(

[@Nokpest11]

thought so too

[@Nick-sd6fj]

I don't think Leo has a lot of experience in this match up. I checked through youtube and I don't think there are any games that leo is against a top ness player(or any at all) 1 on 1. Lumbre played awesome but Leo was not on his game, which is strange since he just had so much practice with Marth at summit... Although, there wasn't one ness player at summit

[@Nick-sd6fj]

He actually had one set against gackt as Chrom last month and another from a while back when he mained Ike

[@x3n068]

Nick Seccafico He does have experience against a top Ness player lol. He played against the 2nd best Ness in the world, Gackt

[@Nick-sd6fj]

@@x3n068 look up

[@pakoyquimera3718]

@@x3n068 Who is the first?

[@alejandromagno3084]

Gg Leo orgullo mexa

[@jesusperezdavila8430]

Don't the commentators know that Mkleo is like, the number one Player?

[@jamesgreenwood1703]

Jesús Pérez Dávila yeah that are just joking bc commentators are supposed to be funny. They even mentioned he was #1

[@gr33nsl33v3s]

Wait for the Marth buffs and Arsene nerfs and ppl will still say Leo is not tier picking.

[@Nokpest11]

MKLEO vs AWESTIN (Ness) next please

[@patrick1532]

4:16 When you fall 7 blocks

[@SAMX2007]

Leo putting marth on the map

[@ryanwisser2480]

This set was played in a tunnel

[@averagejoe9229]

Thought it's Bo5 since Leo didn't change to joker after the loss. He's really confident of his Marth.

[@Davaroni]

Martha’s up-b is frame 5.

[@catandgrouper4760]

Davaroni ok yeah it’s a good out of shield option

[@MuscularPlatypus]

the invuln starts frame 1 in the air but the move takes 5 frames to come out

[@juneru2]

"marth looks like a women" glad someone said it

[@ivanzilla]

he should have used his sci magnet to stall his fall and leave leo falling

[@user_6326]

マルスの上方修正あってもいいと思う

[@fupalover]

How does it feel to beat the best player in the world? A feeling we'll never know.

[@gaffyguck2616]

Samsora, Nairo, and Marss all know that feeling lol.

[@assboyzent.2941]

Didn’t realize we were all top players......

[@okthen1296]

I wouldn't really feel all that accomplished when he's using one of the more inferior swordsmans thats nowhere near as good as his Joker. Its like bragging about beating the toughest boss on the easiest setting. Then that boss refuels his hp and beats you anyway.

[@sailor3047]

@@okthen1296 beating leo using a swordie is a feat to brag about. and referring to it as "easy mode" is dumb. he is *the* best swordie player in the world by far and has immaculate spacing. this dude was stomping top players with fucking ike. please stop acting like he's basically throwing by using marth.

[@okthen1296]

@@sailor3047 Lmao you said "with fucking Ike" like Ike isn't a one of the high tier swordies. Ike, Lucina, Roy, and Chrom are all superior to Marth. Marth viability comes solely from tipper power, which is less consistent and harder to utilize properly. There is no debate that Marth is a massively inferior character to Lucina, Ike, Wolf, and Joker. All high-top tier except Marth, and it shows when Leo has been struggling more against relevant players with Marth and ultimately always ends up pulling Joker back out.

[@samuelrose1595]

Ness mains = I really wont want to know you irl or hang with you outside of a tourney even if you where my dad.

[@ArbiterSky]

Leo was toying with him lol.

[@albaetham5864]

I think Leo is giving up on marth again lol

[@okthen1296]

He should. He's trying to make the character work just cause he likes him, but he knows he's like the lowest end fire emblem character.

[@austinwirtz2434]

After Summit 2 he said he’s just gonna use Lucina for Joker’s bad matchups (pika and pichu) but he still likes playing Marth in pools etc even though he doesn’t think Marth is very good.

[@fissilewhistle]

Can’t say I blame him. He’s entertaining to watch, but I imagine it must be pretty frustrating when some of your moves straight up don’t work and the ones that do need to be spaced to have any actual killing power. It’s really a shame how they did Marth in this game.

[@rurb3713]

@@okthen1296 Marth is still way better than Corrin and Robin

[@rinktheredlink9317]

Leo's marth is so damn good, I know at summit he said he would just go lucina against the right mus rather, but with how many fucking tippers he lands....why should he? I mean maybe hes holding back? Nah, he should keep going marth!

[@muraniko8840]

Now this is just mean

[@kylelove4078]

As much as I hate ness lol this ness was nice and almost beat Leo!

[@user-wq1hj7rh6k]

6:14

[@thegoat-sg5hg]

Bruh you literally get punished for using dancing blade with marth

[@Kdonlol]

Lumbre legit Ness

[@splaturials9156]

Leo doesnt lose

[@BluePickleZ]

The fattest choke of 2019

[@treyhenry3857]

classic case of case of someone causing an upset in game 1 then getting too excited and losing the set. You hate to see it happen :/

[@Frilleon]

I don’t think he got too excited. I think he was just slightly outplayed. I respect the effort

[@alxmena]

Lumbre so much better than BestNess and Awestin

[@alxmena]

The Snazzmaster Im seriously,, first match vs the one of ssbu, had great matches... dont you think so?

[@WardofSquid]

*This is what Lumbre gets for doing the whip in 2019* 😂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXWsqYh_msumnK8 (👈go to the end of this vid)

[@user-zy9jq6pi7l]

Leo is so cute!xD

[@alfredohlsson1882]

7:10 Commentators need to stop referring to leo as "one of the best players in the world" it just makes them sound stupid. Leo is, especially after winning summit 2, without doubt, THE best player in the world and how some people still cannot accept that fact is beyond me

[@eddiealva9751]

Why do I feel like Leo wasn’t really trying?

[@letsgobigmike8488]

I promise you guys my marth is better than mkleos

[@redfish6549]

No

[@sohcratic]

Big Mike 78 lmao

[@TexasCCLP]

Then why are you in the comments section of a KZbin video blowing hot air instead of being the number 1 ranked player in the world?

[@letsgobigmike8488]

@@TexasCCLP because I cant go to tournaments

[@letsgobigmike8488]

@@redfish6549 you wanna bet

[@EchidnaKida]

"Pee Ess Eye Magnet"... Imagine saying that and thinking literally anyone would say that in commentary instead of "Psy Magnet". Smash Commentary...

[@edwinvega6330]

I really really dislike Lumbre and his play style and how he’s always so full of himself

[@fernandoxo853]

Im pretty sure you've only seen him play this ONE time.

[@tylee4083]

Stfu

[@STie95]

To be fair, taking a match from MKLeo puts you above a LOT of smash players

[@mamidijoqueno7861]

Even I would be like that even if I take 1 game and he beats me. I bet my empty sad wallet that you wouldn't even beat Lumbre. Lol

[@edwinvega6330]

Fernando XO I’ve seen him play other times too he’s played against Kira too and he did the nene after he won and it was realllyyyy cringed lol