The Fall of Milosevic (2001), chapter 2: War

A three-part documentary tracing the Serb dictator’s fall from "peacemaker" at Dayton to prisoner in The Hague.

[@antoniovaleri1788]

Wars are not good for any country but Milosevic had this coming. And the fact that Serbian General says that they were expecting a ground invasion but he stressed that they could inflict losses in NATO’s army it’s beyond me. Taking a risk to inflict losses and not taking into account that he would be doing so in expense of his peoples lives it tells me that he’s a very selfish idiot. He was drinking some fine wine somewhere knowing he wasn’t going to die in battle field and playing politics with peoples lives.

[@1GTX1]

There were liberals at that time in Serbia that joined the army, even those that criticized Milosevic regime. NATO was not only demanding ocupation of entire Serbia but even when peace agrement was to be signed they demanded Serbian military to leave all their equipment behind and leave on foot, during these negotiations they used B52 bombers against serbian troops wounding and killing dozens. Even today every year NATO soldiers are on a patrol in south Serbia they have a right of movement 5KM inside Serbia from the Kosovo border, and they also don't alow a civilian radar on high mountain in that border area, even though it would be important for civilian air trafic. That border area where NATO can be present could have been much larger. Would you be ok with your entire country being legally occupied?

[@kungfuchimp5788]

@@1GTX1 After 10 years of blatant wars of aggression, ethnic cleansing and territorial expansion, one loses the right to whine about border and territorial integrity.

[@1GTX1]

​@@kungfuchimp5788Well than Ukraine is also whining about Crimea, let's be honest.

[@kungfuchimp5788]

@@1GTX1 I'm not sure how that's the same.

[@Mixer2904]

@Irish Fella maybe, but they would have suffered heavy losses, several years ago CIA declassified a report about ground invasion of Yugoslavia, they said they would need 200K troops for the invasion and occupation and they projected casualties between 20K and up to 50K on NATO side, they listed number of reasons I remember they wrote about how Yugoslavia is mostly forests and mountains terrain that favors the defenders and makes air power less effective, also that Yugoslav army wasn't much damaged from the bombing and at that point was quite large and that Yugoslav hid their best equipment in preparations for the invasion, also they heavily mined every part of their borders and would have used scorched earth tactics which would have made NATO advance slow down, at the end they weren't sure what would have been Russian and Chinese reaction to the invasion and if they would intervene, they were certain that most western European governments involved in the bombing would fall, therefore ground invasion was too much of a risk for NATO. But they certainly made a nice bluff acting like they would invade which made Russians believe them so they would put pressure on Milosevic to back off.

[@kungfuchimp5788]

Amazing how the French are so hesitant to engage in conflict within Europe, but have no qualms about engaging in armed conflict in Africa.

[@souvikrc4499]

The French used to have close ties with Serbia.

[@charliethemaddawg]

Birds are running, Bees are running.

[@massaganaa]

Got there a week before me to post that lol

[@sirmoke9646]

"accidental deployment of russian forces" lol Iz accident comrade. We go tu bed wake up ina kosovo. Accident. Da. Wi luk around go home.

[@adamwatson6916]

Monsters accusing monsters of being monsters

[@NishantShyamGoutam]

The Serbia clearly played into the hands of the KLA

[@mrgeorgesrb7688]

Nishanth Shyam Gautham thats true

[@sparta-pm9ek]

No We didnt, they didnt show part when US State Department decided to support KLA and form a US satelite state in Europe so they can control both east and west of Europe, all they ever offered to Milosevic was occupation like one that came after Kumanovo agreement, they said we wanted peace all the time, yes, albanian refugees came back and destroyed thousands of serbian homes and 150 churches, thats not how you protect both sides as Clinton lied in this movie, we had no option, even there was no Milosevic they would make another president evil in their propaganda, only person worth mentioning is General Ivashov who wanted fair agreement, both our time will come again and we will have kosovo under our control again.

[@sparta-pm9ek]

@تشارلز حكمة Dont know where you came from to this post, Kosovo is and will be Serbian, resolution 1244 says that, 90% of Muslim countries doesnt recognize Kosovo, they support Serbia, so you look funny😂

[@putler965]

@@sparta-pm9ek LOL, what b.s. The US doesn't control any part of Europe. But you can probably find a way to justify Srebrenica.

[@generalmartok3990]

@@sparta-pm9ek Did you see part 1? It's very upfront about that, as are the Americans interviewed. When a country like Serbia acts a cu-t, no one needs to be afraid about talking about putting it in its place.

[@henrysmommy7]

To be honest, Bismark was right way, way, way back when he predicted a European war would start in the damn Balkans back before the Great War (1st world war). I think that's why ever since no one wants to get in the middle of shit in that area. After Bosnia however....I think it was not possible to leave them to their own devices again.

[@stephenbrand5661]

Yeah as much as I like to recognize the bias of American/Western war coverage I can’t help but feel that the Serbs needed to be checked hard, probably harder and sooner than they were to prevent more death and displacement.

[@1GTX1]

I don't know if you are aware but before Austria annexed Bosnia in 1908, Serbia was preparing for an attack on Ottoman empire and to take over that area since third of serbs lived in Bosnia, and Bosnia is where rebelion of serbs in Ottoman empire started. Bulgaria also wanted to take over their Ottoman area where bulgarians live, and Greece to take over Macedonia. When Austria annexed Bosnia in 1908 it was seen in Serbia at the time as a declaration of war, and war was barely avoided with some serbian generals being dismissed and public being divided. Before annexation Austria was seen as an ally of Serbia by alot of people

[@michaelotieno6524]

Bismarck was right a lot of times. He was against Nationalism of all kind and it turns out he was right all along.

[@michaelsweeney4547]

Where was NOTO getting its map's?

[@Dolebob]

23:11 I wonder what song is this, if it is an actual song!

[@theokingshango]

President of Serbia: "Tel us, bre , when you are going to bomb so we can hide" LOOL Balkans

[@ThePtoleme]

It's interesting to see the effect of war on people who have for years been supportive of war in neighboring countries.

[@madnohten]

The collective ego of Serbia is mind-blowing. Milosevic was just a gangster.

[@TheLocalLt]

madnohten gangster is a weak word. He was a sociopathic mass murderer who wanted to create a fascist Christian Yugoslavia for Serbs only

[@madnohten]

@@TheLocalLt I stand corrected Thanks .

[@makishev904]

@@SI-cd7xs Ma vidiš da su glupaci, ovaj kreten gore napisao "fascist Christian Yougoslavia" hahahaha lik možemo da ga mrzimo ili volimo bio komunista do zadnjeg dana... Gledam komentare, 90% najobičnija proizvoljna lupetanja, bez iole ozbiljnog argumenta.

[@riverdeep399]

madnohten isn't every leader?

[@ratkomartinovic6528]

And who you are??Someone from Shakespeare theatre?

[@Gabriel.P]

14:48 I see where Joaquin Phoenix got that Joker line

[@riverdeep399]

40:10 *"Look, we're losing this propaganda battle" ...Tony Blair.*

[@MrFredSed]

At 01:27:00 and the Russians attempt to put a foot into Kosovo; the refusal by Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria for Russian aircraft to overfly their land seems a slightly dubious reason for the failure of the Russians not forming their own area. Couldn't these big cargo aircraft seek a more circuitious route? Maybe via the Black Sea and over Greece? Maybe Black Sea, over the Agean and up the Adriatic and come in that way? The only other route would be north and coming in from Czechoslovakia, Austria or those north of Yugoslavia ... but I suppose similar refusals would be heard from those? Itjust seemed a bit daft that those big Antonov cargo aircraft, that could carry a tanker full of fuel, could not find a route even if it was longer.

[@a55tech]

+MrFredSed As you can see in the map, there was no way in without going through Nato airspace.

[@sparta-pm9ek]

Its same as today, 21 year later, the border between NATO and Russia is in Black Sea, Crimea, 600km away from Serbia, its not far but you need to cross whole Romania which is impossible by NATO, even Romanian people love Serbia and they were against bombing in every possible way, if Russia makes a hole by putting Romania on their side, Serbia would be much safer and 1999 would have never happened.

[@souvikrc4499]

@@sparta-pm9ek And even then, a lot of Romanians who supported Serbia likely disliked Russia more.

[@dcsibrak741]

Hungary had a Weird relationship with Serbia, because of the weapons support of Croatia. Hungarians was surprised by the bombing of Belgrade. Atleast today, we are on a good way of relationship. As I know, we Hungarians support Serbia to join EU. @@sparta-pm9ek

[@TheLocalLt]

Song at 58:51?

[@burdjija]

Ferdo Pomikalo - People's heroes march

[@Makrateli]

Russian subtitles are almost entirely inaccurate

[@Gabriel.P]

10:09 Yugoslav science

[@SnabbKassa]

I supported this war, but the problem with Blair is that he's an idealist when he should be a pragmatist and vice versa.

[@souvikrc4499]

Yeah, I think that after Kosovo, Blair was in over his head, and that overconfidence led to the Iraq War.

[@etajudoi]

the war is over!ALL you need is to living in peace!

[@balkantvofficialbackup]

no its not over there is stil rs in bosnia a genocidal state illegal state

[@riverdeep399]

Mobiola No. History repeats itself due to mans greed. The invasion is now well under way.

[@riverdeep399]

BIGBOSSWHATITDO420 And the other side did no wrong, I'm guessing?

[@shalaby8968]

@@riverdeep399 i don't think a war could arise in balkans now because of the growing turkish strength near by so serbs won't like to be destroyed by turks nor others are ready to fight serbia because of the russian growing influence that power balance would keep the area safe atleast for sometime.

[@dominic6055]

the wound has just reopened again these days

[@madnohten]

" Serbs can do no wrong " - Serbs

[@makishev904]

Yes we can do wrong but we admit, rest of them (NATO, Croats, Bosniaks muslims and Albanians) think that they simply can do no wrong and that they are 100% victims... That is the difference.

[@riverdeep399]

madnohten Serbs were invaded by a sick and prehistoric ideology. Pushed by Turkey? Trying to rid their problem of ottoman sickness, I imagine.

[@generalmartok3990]

@@makishev904 NATO admitted they did mistakenly hit civilians 2 days after that strike. There are Serbian politicians today that still deny ethnic cleansing ever took place.

[@thorvidarr]

The documentary shows its bias with the entire story about the "secret Russian plan", but other than that i guess it's a good resource for information that has been lost to time.

[@milan79tomic66]

Something is wrong with this video or is internet problem

[@perrycomeau2627]

The EU, NATO, and UN were lazy to not recognize the consequences of the fall of Tito's regime to begin with.

[@souvikrc4499]

Yeah, they pretty much had their focus on the end of the Cold War.

[@putler965]

Tito died in 1980. Yugoslavia didn't come apart until 1991.

[@doguesrefoglu1974]

@@putler965 It already gave signals of downfall back in 1987

[@putler965]

@@doguesrefoglu1974 That's still 7 years after Tito died.

[@shanetonkin2850]

10:17 - this is such horseshit. Precision guided munitions used for ground attack do not “home in” on metal (the proliferation of everyday objects that contain vast quantities of metal would make something like this totally impractical- how would it distinguish between that armoured vehicle you want to destroy and a nearby bus? Or even just a tin roof?) and while there are some varieties of air-surface weapons that use thermal guidance, they would certainly not be fooled by a wooden box painted in “chemicals”. I highly doubt thermally guided bombs would have even been utilised much in these strikes anyway, given the array of other, far more suitable guidance methods available (Laser, satellite/inertial guidance, Video optical, radiation). Finally the cheapest (and most frequently used) type of smart bomb is the JDAM which typically cost somewhere between $18,000 - $40,000 each, not “millions of dollars”

[@paulfitzpatrick1334]

That cluster bomb attack was a war crime - why was there no consequences for the people involved especially Wesley Clark

[@1GTX1]

After the first, there was another cluster bomb drop in this city in the civilian area weeks latter, but there were no people on the street. During this month bridges were targeted during day, sometimes during a holiday or rush hour, like in the case of ''Varvarin bridge'' when there were hundreds of people near the bridge. The girl that was killed on the bridge was learning German with her friend that year. Germany was sued by families for providing logistical/radar air support and approving the attack on bridge, but the response was that Germany only gave green light to NATO, not the time of the attack on the bridge.

[@MrFrankkola]

The wife of the Slobodan Milosevic (Mira) what’s the number one ☝️ person to help Milosevic to make greater Serbia shewas direct working with KGB Of Russia way before the Berlin wall !!!!

[@Wolverine-ky9gk]

Stfu

[@riverdeep399]

U C K Shqiperi Etnike they say behind every great man, there's a bold woman. She seems without shame.

[@neuman7621]

HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Odakle ti ta glupost da je Milošević hteo Veliku Srbiju? :) Šešelj i Vuk Drašković su bili ti koji su hteli Veliku Srbiju, Milošević je hteo nešto to talno drugačije...

[@shalaby8968]

Can anyone here explain for me why didn't albania or turkey intervened to save kosovo and Bosnia.

[@ampersandman757]

Well Albania had basically collapsed at this point and the Turks had lost interest in the Balkans nearly a century ago. Besides, it's not like the Bosnians or Kosovars are actually Turks, that's just a slur racist Serbians use.

[@massaganaa]

@@ampersandman757 There is a small Ethnic Turk population (even have their own political party in parliament) in Kosovo, but the Turkish government are too busy persecuting the Kurds to give a shit about 20,000 of their own in some Balkan black hole.

[@artimg369]

Albanians/Kosovars are Illyrians

[@michaelahern6821]

The state of Yeltsin...drunk as f again...

[@miloss5419]

Opening line - BS

[@gabrielbaldovin]

here's the the other side of the Yougolsav wars: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2aQiaylr6h-fMU

[@michaelsweeney4547]

Was Clarke held to account for the cluster bombs on Nic?

[@riverdeep399]

Michael Sweeney no. I doubt it. They are still justifying the defective bomb and out of date map. In Nis.

[@sarak6083]

Wow u cry for bombs but not genocide something is severely wrong with you

[@666ufoMr]

Yugoslavia is confusing because the first Yugoslavia should have really been a country called Serbia after WW1 which would have included all of Slovenia Croatia Bosnia Macedonia and the most of Kosovo and a second country called Montenegro which would include a part of Kosovo, the second Yugoslavia after WW2 of Tito was more confusing because republics with national identities were created and the capital was still Belgrade, in theory Belgrade was running the country that was internationally recognised, Slobodan Milosevic allowed the areas that didn't have too many Serbs to leave which explains why he didn't attack even Macedonia which really should have been a trophy from World War 1, he allowed much smaller Croatia and Slovenia and a Muslim region around Sarajevo to leave, the Croats thanked him because then they could carve out croat Herzegovinia and get their first independent yet small Croatia which they would later expand in 1995 by kicking out the Serb enclave, if Slobodan Milosevic declared immediate martial law and placed all independence party leaders in jail there would be no civil war and Yugoslavia would have remained

[@makishev904]

37:45 NATO good guys...yeah for sure.

[@riverdeep399]

makishev 90 of course not. Same as today's white helmets. All a cheap vaneer. Baby boomer greed.

[@magnum4767]

Slobo vjecnati slava borijo sise castno I hrabro protiv fasista.

[@kp5209]

Love Bill Clinton!

[@6784044]

Well done NATO...

[@kreso1562]

Mashalla ako Bog da i jopet

[@a90skid53]

NATO crushed ridiculous Serbia lol. Try to play funny again and will get it again :*

[@sparta-pm9ek]

Shut up idiot

[@a90skid53]

@@sparta-pm9ek you shut up useless loser

[@artimg369]

they need another lesson

[@a90skid53]

@@artimg369 yes, they do 😃 I bet with you that Big old mother Serbia will not take part in the “independence movement” of republika srpska of Bosnia 😃 And if they do… they know what’s coming for them 😏…. Again

[@artimg369]

@@a90skid53 exactly

[@radoslavkolesar8693]

horrible propaganda

[@fuuz642]

you dont say. please, tell us the truth

[@makishev904]

Što je najgore, čak i priznaju da su masovno pomagali OVK teroriste (Holbruk otvoreno rekao da Albance niko ništa nije terao da bilo šta potpiše što bi eventualno bilo loše za njih), a i čak navode da je OVK ubijala masovno civile... I čak priznaju da je NATO ubijao civile, ali ovim idiotima što ovde komentarišu i pljuju Srbe to nije dovoljno.

[@riverdeep399]

Radoslav Kolesar I'm guessing it's from the BBC, so what do you expect. Only Baby Boomers were thick enough to have believed without question in the corruption. Greed anf stupidity.

[@jeanlucdiscard]

Serbs of all people calling KLA terrorists? Since when did Serbia ever abide by the Geneva Conventions.